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`Sunny day flooding' worsens at NC beaches - a sign sea rise is
decades too soon, studies say

The Atlantic Ocean is eroding parts of North Topsail Beach by about
five feet per year. The town of 800 residents is running out of cash
and solutions in its efforts to protect its north shore. Whose job is
to save this popular North Carolina tour Brittany Peterson and Sohail
Al-Jamea / McClatchy

Abbie Bennett
03 May 2018 10:31 PM

Raleigh. Living in cities threatened by sea-level rise could be like
living near an active volcano, according to NOAA oceanographer William Sweet.

Some parts of the Earth are seeing sea levels rise far beyond average,
and it's just a waiting game before some areas are inundated with sea
water, studies show.

The East Coast of the US is experiencing "sunny day flooding" that
scientists didn't expect for decades yet.

Sea levels are rising at a rate of about an inch per year (5 inches
from 2011-15) in some areas along the East Coast, from North Carolina
to Florida, according to one study - that's faster than researchers expected.

Residents of coastal communities most often feel the effects of sea
level rise during tidal flooding.

Tidal flooding, also known as "sunny day flooding" is the temporary
inundation of low-lying areas, such as roads, during high-tide events -
especially during "king tides," the highest tides of the year.

King tides aren't caused by sea level rise in and of themselves, but
because they are the annual peak tides, they demonstrate how sea level
has already risen over the past 100 years.

Sea levels aren't rising equally "like water in a bathtub," according
to a report from Yale Environment 360. "The oceans are more akin to a
rubber kiddie pool where the water sloshes around unevenly, often
considerably higher on one side than another."

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In this Aug. 28, 2011 photo, a flooded road is seen in Hatteras
Island, N.C., after Hurricane Irene swept through the area Sat
cutting the roadway in 5 locations. Irene caused more than 4.5
mn homes and businesses along the East Coast to reportedly lose
power over the weekend, and at least 11 deaths were blamed on the
storm. (AP Photo/Steve Helber, File) Steve Helber AP

More flooding, higher costs

Climate scientists view sea level rise as one of the most obvious
signals of a warming planet. Sea water expands as it warms, and
melting land-based ice sheets adds to rising water levels.

There are neighborhoods that now flood on sunny days, but didn't years
ago even during especially high tides, according to the National
Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

And as sea levels continue to rise, the frequency, depth and extent of
coastal flooding will continue to worsen, according to NOAA.

In 2016, Charleston saw 50 days of tidal flooding.

Fifty years ago? Just 4 days.

Flooding projections are set at about 25% above average for
2017-18 for areas including Wilmington, according to a recent NOAA report.

Wilmington had 84 days of high-tide flooding in 2016, according to NOAA.

"It is important for planning purposes that US coastal cities become
better informed about the extent that high-tide flooding is increasing
and will likely increase in the coming decades," according to the
Feb 2018 NOAA report.

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Catoni
2018-05-06 22:57:48 UTC
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`Sunny day flooding' worsens at NC beaches - a sign sea rise is
decades too soon, studies say
The Atlantic Ocean is eroding parts of North Topsail Beach by about
five feet per year. The town of 800 residents is running out of cash
and solutions in its efforts to protect its north shore. Whose job is
to save this popular North Carolina tour Brittany Peterson and Sohail
Al-Jamea / McClatchy
Idiot..... it's ground subsidence as the southern U.S. sinks, and Canada, especially as the north is rising from the retreat of the great Ice Sheets of the last Glacial Period.

The continent is very gradually tilting..... One side rises and the other side sinks... normal occurance following Glacial retreat.

The main cause of East Coast subsidence is natural — the loss of a massive ice sheet one or two mile thick coveing the north half of the continent for about 120,000 years. . Some 15,000 years ago, toward the end of an ice age, the Laurentide Ice Sheet stretched over most of Canada and down to modern-day New England and the Midwest. Its heavy ice compressed the earth beneath it, causing surrounding land to curl upward.

If you lift one end of a see-saw... what happens to the other end ? ? Gee... I wonder...

Since the ice sheet melted away.., the land beneath it has been springing back up.

Any moron interested.. including Kimmie Horse smell can find out all about it if they wish.

Did you know that if you wish to look,,, you can see series of ancient beaches now high and dry in many areas of Hudson Bay as northern Canada rises higher ? ?

Kimmie Horsesmell... idiot Alarmist. Keep trying to scare us all Horse smell.
Wally W.
2018-05-07 03:48:42 UTC
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`Sunny day flooding' worsens at NC beaches - a sign sea rise is
decades too soon, studies say
The Atlantic Ocean is eroding parts of North Topsail Beach by about
five feet per year. The town of 800 residents is running out of cash
and solutions in its efforts to protect its north shore. Whose job is
to save this popular North Carolina tour Brittany Peterson and Sohail
Al-Jamea / McClatchy
Idiot..... it's ground subsidence as the southern U.S. sinks, and Canada, especially as the north is rising from the retreat of the great Ice Sheets of the last Glacial Period.
The continent is very gradually tilting..... One side rises and the other side sinks... normal occurance following Glacial retreat.
The main cause of East Coast subsidence is natural — the loss of a massive ice sheet one or two mile thick coveing the north half of the continent for about 120,000 years. . Some 15,000 years ago, toward the end of an ice age, the Laurentide Ice Sheet stretched over most of Canada and down to modern-day New England and the Midwest. Its heavy ice compressed the earth beneath it, causing surrounding land to curl upward.
If you lift one end of a see-saw... what happens to the other end ? ? Gee... I wonder...
Since the ice sheet melted away.., the land beneath it has been springing back up.
Any moron interested.. including Kimmie Horse smell can find out all about it if they wish.
Did you know that if you wish to look,,, you can see series of ancient beaches now high and dry in many areas of Hudson Bay as northern Canada rises higher ? ?
Kimmie Horsesmell... idiot Alarmist. Keep trying to scare us all Horse smell.
Don't confuse Kymmie's bot with the facts.
Catoni
2018-05-07 00:17:17 UTC
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`Sunny day flooding' worsens at NC beaches - a sign sea rise is
decades too soon, studies say
The Atlantic Ocean is eroding parts of North Topsail Beach by about
five feet per year. The town of 800 residents is running out of cash
and solutions in its efforts to protect its north shore. Whose job is
to save this popular North Carolina tour Brittany Peterson and Sohail
Al-Jamea / McClatchy
Idiot..... it's ground subsidence as the southern U.S. sinks, and Canada rises, from the retreat of the great Ice Sheets of the last Glacial Period.

The continent is very gradually tilting..... One end of the continent rises and the other end sinks... normal occurance following Glacial retreat.

The main cause of East and south coast experiencing "sea level rise' has nothing to do with sea level rise. It's the loss of a massive ice sheet one or two mile thick coveing the north half of the continent for about 120,000 years. . Some 15,000 years ago, toward the end of an ice age, the Laurentide Ice Sheet stretched over most of Canada and down to modern-day New England and the Midwest. Its heavy ice compressed the earth beneath it, causing surrounding land to curl upward.

If you lift one end of a see-saw... what happens to the other end ? ? Gee... I wonder...

Since the ice sheet melted away.., the land beneath it has been springing back up.

Any moron interested.. including Kimmie Horse smell can find out all about it if they wish.

Did you know that if you wish to look,,, you can see series of ancient beaches now high and dry in many areas of Hudson Bay as northern Canada rises higher ? ?

Kimmie Horsesmell... idiot Alarmist. Keep trying to scare us all Horse smell.

Sea level rise has been continuing with the same 2mm - 3mm per year rise it's had for the past approx. 8000 years since it slowed dramatically back then.
Blue
2018-05-07 08:41:47 UTC
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`Sunny day flooding' worsens at NC beaches - a sign sea rise is
decades too soon, studies say
Sea levels are rising at a rate of about an inch per year (5 inches
from 2011-15) in some areas along the East Coast, from North Carolina
to Florida, according to one study - that's faster than researchers expected.
So that's, 1 inch a year. That's 25mm vs 3mm 'adjusted' Sea level.


25mm - 3mmSL = 22mm subsidence.

x5

125mm - 15mmSL = 110mm subsidence.


4.33 inches.




In some parts of the world you can't just roll up and build
a giant rental home on the beach. There's a rule of law.

However in this case it seems some people think they can just
turn up an build beach rental homes on inlets, estuaries, the
beach and in the sea.

And then we get campaigners turn up and cry about the tide
coming in and demand the whole world should retool all its
energy sectors.

In more logical times, people would have moved further inland.
Byker
2018-05-07 17:05:19 UTC
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In some parts of the world you can't just roll up and build a giant rental
home on the beach. There's a rule of law.
I think I'll invest in some cheap land far from the water's edge. It ought
to be worth a pretty penny before long ;-)
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2018-05-08 22:36:21 UTC
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In some parts of the world you can't just roll up and build
a giant rental home on the beach. There's a rule of law.
However in this case it seems some people think they can just
turn up an build beach rental homes on inlets, estuaries, the
beach and in the sea.
And then we get campaigners turn up and cry about the tide
coming in and demand the whole world should retool all its
energy sectors.
In more logical times, people would have moved further inland.
Now we have people in Hawaii who bought or built homes close to an active volcano.... and they cry and complain because lava is now flowing where their living room used to be.

It takes all kinds.. .
Bret Cahill
2018-05-09 02:12:53 UTC
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`Sunny day flooding' worsens at NC beaches - a sign sea rise is
decades too soon, studies say
Sea levels are rising at a rate of about an inch per year (5 inches
from 2011-15) in some areas along the East Coast, from North Carolina
to Florida, according to one study - that's faster than researchers expected.
So that's, 1 inch a year. That's 25mm vs 3mm 'adjusted' Sea level.
25mm - 3mmSL = 22mm subsidence.
If Tidewater averaged -22mm since the Revolution the highest point would be 2m underwater by now.
Blue
2018-05-09 06:19:27 UTC
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`Sunny day flooding' worsens at NC beaches - a sign sea rise is
decades too soon, studies say
Sea levels are rising at a rate of about an inch per year (5 inches
from 2011-15) in some areas along the East Coast, from North Carolina
to Florida, according to one study - that's faster than researchers expected.
So that's, 1 inch a year. That's 25mm vs 3mm 'adjusted' Sea level.
25mm - 3mmSL = 22mm subsidence.
If Tidewater averaged -22mm since the Revolution the highest point would be 2m underwater by now.
Your guy is claiming the 5 inch rate.
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2018-05-09 06:31:59 UTC
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`Sunny day flooding' worsens at NC beaches - a sign sea rise is
decades too soon, studies say
Sea levels are rising at a rate of about an inch per year (5 inches
from 2011-15) in some areas along the East Coast, from North Carolina
to Florida, according to one study - that's faster than researchers expected.
So that's, 1 inch a year.  That's 25mm vs 3mm 'adjusted' Sea level.
25mm - 3mmSL = 22mm subsidence.
If Tidewater averaged -22mm since the Revolution the highest point
would be 2m underwater by now.
Your guy is claiming the 5 inch rate.
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The relative sea level trend is 2.01 millimeters/year
with a 95% confidence
interval of +/- 0.41 mm/yr based on monthly
mean sea level data from
1933 to 2008 which is equivalent to a change of

0.66 feet in 100 years.

https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?id=8659084
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2018-05-09 12:01:21 UTC
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`Sunny day flooding' worsens at NC beaches - a sign sea rise is
decades too soon, studies say
Sea levels are rising at a rate of about an inch per year (5 inches
from 2011-15) in some areas along the East Coast, from North Carolina
to Florida, according to one study - that's faster than researchers expected.
So that's, 1 inch a year.  That's 25mm vs 3mm 'adjusted' Sea level.
25mm - 3mmSL = 22mm subsidence.
If Tidewater averaged -22mm since the Revolution the highest point
would be 2m underwater by now.
Your guy is claiming the 5 inch rate.
-------
The relative sea level trend is 2.01 millimeters/year
Surface temps ain't uniform.

Why do deniers think SLR will be uniform?

<CIA>
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2018-05-09 12:31:49 UTC
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`Sunny day flooding' worsens at NC beaches - a sign sea rise is
decades too soon, studies say
Sea levels are rising at a rate of about an inch per year (5 inches
from 2011-15) in some areas along the East Coast, from North Carolina
to Florida, according to one study - that's faster than researchers expected.
So that's, 1 inch a year.  That's 25mm vs 3mm 'adjusted' Sea level.
25mm - 3mmSL = 22mm subsidence.
If Tidewater averaged -22mm since the Revolution the highest point
would be 2m underwater by now.
Your guy is claiming the 5 inch rate.
-------
The relative sea level trend is 2.01 millimeters/year
Surface temps ain't uniform.
Why do deniers think SLR will be uniform?
<CIA>
Maybe someone needs a physics lesson:

<https://labdemos.physics.sunysb.edu/content/water-seeks-its-own-level>

Where do greenies think water piles up?
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2018-05-09 15:39:15 UTC
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`Sunny day flooding' worsens at NC beaches - a sign sea rise is
decades too soon, studies say
Sea levels are rising at a rate of about an inch per year (5 inches
from 2011-15) in some areas along the East Coast, from North Carolina
to Florida, according to one study - that's faster than researchers expected.
So that's, 1 inch a year.  That's 25mm vs 3mm 'adjusted' Sea level.
25mm - 3mmSL = 22mm subsidence.
If Tidewater averaged -22mm since the Revolution the highest point
would be 2m underwater by now.
Your guy is claiming the 5 inch rate.
-------
The relative sea level trend is 2.01 millimeters/year
Surface temps ain't uniform.
Why do deniers think SLR will be uniform?
<CIA>
But you don't have two different temperatures
at the same time in the exact same area.
They both can't be right.


Kym says 5 inches. 25mm x 5 years = 125mm.

Noaa says 2mm x 5 years = 10mm

Pick one!


125mm - 10mm = 115mm = 4.5"
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2018-05-09 15:55:06 UTC
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`Sunny day flooding' worsens at NC beaches - a sign sea rise is
decades too soon, studies say
Sea levels are rising at a rate of about an inch per year (5 inches
from 2011-15) in some areas along the East Coast, from North Carolina
to Florida, according to one study - that's faster than researchers expected.
So that's, 1 inch a year. That's 25mm vs 3mm 'adjusted' Sea level.
25mm - 3mmSL = 22mm subsidence.
If Tidewater averaged -22mm since the Revolution the highest point
would be 2m underwater by now.
Your guy is claiming the 5 inch rate.
-------
The relative sea level trend is 2.01 millimeters/year
Surface temps ain't uniform.
Why do deniers think SLR will be uniform?
<CIA>
Same reason as usual -- it's the best they can do wid da quipment dey gots.
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[Rain as the origin of SLR:]
The slow rise of sea level is caused by rain. Water transfer the soil to see.
The acceleration during the last 50 years is caused by using gas and oil
instead of coal. Gas and oil are changed into water during combustion.
So the slow or the accelerated rise of sea level is not a problem.
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`Sunny day flooding' worsens at NC beaches - a sign sea rise is
decades too soon, studies say
Sea levels are rising at a rate of about an inch per year (5 inches
from 2011-15) in some areas along the East Coast, from North Carolina
to Florida, according to one study - that's faster than researchers expected.
So that's, 1 inch a year. That's 25mm vs 3mm 'adjusted' Sea level.
25mm - 3mmSL = 22mm subsidence.
If Tidewater averaged -22mm since the Revolution the highest point
would be 2m underwater by now.
Your guy is claiming the 5 inch rate.
-------
The relative sea level trend is 2.01 millimeters/year
Surface temps ain't uniform.
Why do deniers think SLR will be uniform?
<CIA>
Same reason as usual -- it's the best they can do wid da quipment dey gots.
Where does Kym think liquid water mounds up in piles?
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2018-05-10 15:42:50 UTC
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Where does Kym think liquid water mounds up in piles?
The conspiraCEEE has a link:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/surge/
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2018-05-10 18:05:32 UTC
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Where does Kym think liquid water mounds up in piles?
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/surge/
Yet a whole nother aree flat earthers gets wrong.
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A new index hopes to more clearly communicate the risk from ice storms.
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and research for the Oklahoma Association of Electric Cooperatives,
and Steven Piltz, meteorologist-in-charge at the National Weather
Service in Tulsa, Okla., the Sperry-Piltz Ice Accumulation Index
(SPIA) uses forecast information to rate an upcoming ice storm's
impact from 0 (little impact) to 5 (catastrophic damage to exposed
utility systems). Think of this as the Enhanced-Fujita scale for ice
storms, issued ahead of the storm.
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Elon Musk may be only five years away from
breakthrough bioengineering technology that
produces miniature fire-breathing dragons.
These miniature dragons, which might be
called "mini dragons" by those within the
industry, could possible heat homes and
power the grid for a tiny fraction of the
coast of fossil fuels, and without all
the poisonous/earth destroying chemicals
produced by so-called "Green" technologies.

"All our problems are solved," someone might
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2018-05-09 02:06:19 UTC
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`Sunny day flooding' worsens at NC beaches - a sign sea rise is
decades too soon, studies say
The Atlantic Ocean is eroding parts of North Topsail Beach by about
five feet per year. The town of 800 residents is running out of cash
and solutions in its efforts to protect its north shore. Whose job is
to save this popular North Carolina tour Brittany Peterson and Sohail
Al-Jamea / McClatchy
Abbie Bennett
03 May 2018 10:31 PM
Raleigh. Living in cities threatened by sea-level rise could be like
living near an active volcano, according to NOAA oceanographer William Sweet.
Some parts of the Earth are seeing sea levels rise far beyond average,
and it's just a waiting game before some areas are inundated with sea
water, studies show.
The East Coast of the US is experiencing "sunny day flooding" that
scientists didn't expect for decades yet.
Sea levels are rising at a rate of about an inch per year (5 inches
from 2011-15) in some areas along the East Coast, from North Carolina
to Florida, according to one study - that's faster than researchers expected.
They want to think about SLR in the SE about as much as they want to think about dust storm activity in the SW.

Who wants to hype anything that'll tank property values?


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They want to think about SLR in the SE about as much as they want to think about dust storm activity in the SW.
Who wants to hype anything that'll tank property values?
For nachl deniers the rearguard action could have a long tail.
I liked the recent story about the land owner who was now chasing fishing
boats off his property.
--
[Understanding "science":]
Not looking inside is cargo-cult science. There's actually a lot of
that going around these days. It shows up as javascript programmers
who don't actually understand how a computer works, or macroeconomists
who have never held a real job.
-- John Larkin <***@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com>, 27 Feb 2011 16:46 -0800
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