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6 Years Ago, North Carolina Chose To Ignore Rising Sea Levels
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Unum
2018-09-12 21:12:58 UTC
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Apparently, shoving your head up your ass won't keep your coastline
from getting flooded.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-carolina-sea-level-rise-hurricane-florence_us_5b985a87e4b0162f4731da0e?8r

In 2012, North Carolina legislators passed a bill that barred policymakers and
developers from using up-to-date climate science to plan for rising sea levels
on the state’s coast. Now Hurricane Florence threatens to cause a devastating
storm surge that could put thousands of lives in danger and cost the state
billions of dollars worth of damage.

“Sea level rising, simply put, makes every coastal flood deeper and more
destructive,” said Ben Strauss, CEO of Climate Central, a climate change
research organization that has published dozens of studies about rising sea
levels and the risks of ignoring the problem. “Ignoring it is incredibly
dangerous.”

“It only takes a few extra inches of water depth to be the difference between
a ruined floor and no damage, or a ruined electrical system and just a ruined
floor,” Strauss said. “Floods tend to be a great deal more destructive and
costly than homeowners anticipate.”

Sea level rise can also affect the severity of hurricanes, said William Sweet,
an oceanographer at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. “If
you compared storm surge heights from the same storm at the same location over
several decades, the surge would be higher ― assuming no change in flood
defenses ― because of sea level rise,” Sweet said.

But in North Carolina, lawmakers chose to ignore the threats. A panel of
scientists on the state Coastal Resources Commission issued a dire warning in
March 2010, estimating that the sea levels along the state’s coast would rise
39 inches over the next century. Conservative lawmakers and business interest
groups feared the report would hurt lucrative real estate development on the
state’s coast and sought to undermine it.

Conservative state Rep. Pat McElraft, whose top campaign contributors were the
North Carolina Association of Realtors and the North Carolina Home Builders’
Association, drafted a bill in response that rejected the panel’s predictions.

McElraft introduced the bill in April 2011, and it passed the legislature in
the summer of 2012.

Part of the bill stipulated that state and local agencies must also refer to
historical linear predictions of sea level rise rather than current research,
and another alarming section required that research look only at 30-year
predictions rather than at a century, as the CRC report had done. Supporters
of the bill saw short-term benefits in more affordable insurance, and
continued opportunities for real estate development and tourism along the
attractive coast. Critics saw the long-term consequences of damaged homes and
businesses and vast swaths of the state being swallowed by floods.

Environmental scientists, coastal researchers and a number of lawmakers called
the measure a blatant denial of crucial climate science and criticized
then-Gov. Bev Perdue (D) for not acting on the bill and therefore allowing it
to become law.

climate change has “supercharged” recent storms, as HuffPost’s Chris D’Angelo
reported on Friday, putting Florence on track to do as much, if not more,
damage than last year’s Hurricane Harvey, which devastated parts of Texas and
Louisiana.

“It is fair to say that the very same factors are likely at play here, namely
very warm ocean temperatures and an anomalous jet stream pattern favoring
stalled weather systems,” said Michael Mann, a climate scientist at
Pennsylvania State University.
R Kym Horsell
2018-09-12 21:19:15 UTC
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Apparently, shoving your head up your ass won't keep your coastline
from getting flooded.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-carolina-sea-level-rise-hurricane-florence_us_5b985a87e4b0162f4731da0e?8r
In 2012, North Carolina legislators passed a bill that barred policymakers and
developers from using up-to-date climate science to plan for rising sea levels
on the state's coast. Now Hurricane Florence threatens to cause a devastating
storm surge that could put thousands of lives in danger and cost the state
billions of dollars worth of damage.
"Sea level rising, simply put, makes every coastal flood deeper and more
destructive," said Ben Strauss, CEO of Climate Central, a climate change
research organization that has published dozens of studies about rising sea
levels and the risks of ignoring the problem. "Ignoring it is incredibly
dangerous."
"It only takes a few extra inches of water depth to be the difference between
a ruined floor and no damage, or a ruined electrical system and just a ruined
floor," Strauss said. "Floods tend to be a great deal more destructive and
costly than homeowners anticipate."
Phhsss. A foot of salt water will act like a dinunfectunt and kill ofn
da slime mold.
Iyl save alla peeple havin to by onea den steem mops offn da TV.

...
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Not drowning, fighting.
<Loading Image...>
The warriors of Tokelau (pop c1400) are battling sea level rise.
[Since 1998 SLR in that area of the W Pac have been rising around 13 mm/yr].
KarlK
2018-09-13 20:13:29 UTC
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Apparently, shoving your head up your ass won't keep your
coastline from getting flooded.
Yup, that millimeter or two over the last decade or so is going to
make a HUGE difference...NOT!

Again Unum shows what a dumbass it is.

Maybe put your head BACK up your ass?
Post by Unum
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-carolina-sea-level-rise-
hurricane-florence_us_5b985a87e4b0162f4731da0e?8r
In 2012, North Carolina legislators passed a bill that barred
policymakers and developers from using up-to-date climate science
to plan for rising sea levels on the state’s coast. Now
Hurricane Florence threatens to cause a devastating storm surge
that could put thousands of lives in danger and cost the state
billions of dollars worth of damage.
“Sea level rising, simply put, makes every coastal flood deeper
and more destructive,” said Ben Strauss, CEO of Climate Central,
a climate change research organization that has published dozens
of studies about rising sea levels and the risks of ignoring the
problem. “Ignoring it is incredibly dangerous.”
“It only takes a few extra inches of water depth to be the
difference between a ruined floor and no damage, or a ruined
electrical system and just a ruined floor,” Strauss said.
“Floods tend to be a great deal more destructive and costly than
homeowners anticipate.”
Sea level rise can also affect the severity of hurricanes, said
William Sweet, an oceanographer at the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration. “If you compared storm surge heights
from the same storm at the same location over several decades, the
surge would be higher ― assuming no change in flood defenses ―
because of sea level rise,” Sweet said.
But in North Carolina, lawmakers chose to ignore the threats. A
panel of scientists on the state Coastal Resources Commission
issued a dire warning in March 2010, estimating that the sea
levels along the state’s coast would rise 39 inches over the
next century. Conservative lawmakers and business interest groups
feared the report would hurt lucrative real estate development on
the state’s coast and sought to undermine it.
Conservative state Rep. Pat McElraft, whose top campaign
contributors were the North Carolina Association of Realtors and
the North Carolina Home Builders’ Association, drafted a bill in
response that rejected the panel’s predictions.
McElraft introduced the bill in April 2011, and it passed the
legislature in the summer of 2012.
Part of the bill stipulated that state and local agencies must
also refer to historical linear predictions of sea level rise
rather than current research, and another alarming section
required that research look only at 30-year predictions rather
than at a century, as the CRC report had done. Supporters of the
bill saw short-term benefits in more affordable insurance, and
continued opportunities for real estate development and tourism
along the attractive coast. Critics saw the long-term consequences
of damaged homes and businesses and vast swaths of the state being
swallowed by floods.
Environmental scientists, coastal researchers and a number of
lawmakers called the measure a blatant denial of crucial climate
science and criticized then-Gov. Bev Perdue (D) for not acting on
the bill and therefore allowing it to become law.
climate change has “supercharged” recent storms, as
HuffPost’s Chris D’Angelo reported on Friday, putting Florence
on track to do as much, if not more, damage than last year’s
Hurricane Harvey, which devastated parts of Texas and Louisiana.
“It is fair to say that the very same factors are likely at play
here, namely very warm ocean temperatures and an anomalous jet
stream pattern favoring stalled weather systems,” said Michael
Mann, a climate scientist at Pennsylvania State University.
R Kym Horsell
2018-09-13 20:46:30 UTC
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Post by Unum
Apparently, shoving your head up your ass won't keep your
coastline from getting flooded.
Yup, that millimeter or two over the last decade or so is going to
make a HUGE difference...NOT!
Again Unum shows what a dumbass it is.
Maybe put your head BACK up your ass?
Maybe learn to multiply by 10.

The data for the Carolinas <https://uhslc.soest.hawaii.edu/data/?rq>
shows the coast around there is seeing a 10 mm/yr SLR.

10*10 == 100 mm == 4 inches.

Here's a mental exercise before you tackle multiplying by 10.

You're in a flooded cave with almost 4" of air nr the ceiling.
Don't ask me how you got in this mess.

Now imagine 4" more water floods in.

No problem, right?
KarlK
2018-09-13 20:54:14 UTC
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Post by KarlK
Post by Unum
Apparently, shoving your head up your ass won't keep your
coastline from getting flooded.
Yup, that millimeter or two over the last decade or so is going
to make a HUGE difference...NOT!
Again Unum shows what a dumbass it is.
Maybe put your head BACK up your ass?
Maybe learn to multiply by 10.
Maybe learn to do some reseaerch and not just post the first thing
you find.

This issue is more about the LAND SINKING in the Carolinas than
the sea is rising.
https://www.livescience.com/24647-east-coast-sea-level-rise-accelerat
ing.html

Don't choke on the spoon.
Post by R Kym Horsell
The data for the Carolinas
<https://uhslc.soest.hawaii.edu/data/?rq> shows the coast around
there is seeing a 10 mm/yr SLR.
10*10 == 100 mm == 4 inches.
Here's a mental exercise before you tackle multiplying by 10.
You're in a flooded cave with almost 4" of air nr the ceiling.
Don't ask me how you got in this mess.
Now imagine 4" more water floods in.
No problem, right?
R Kym Horsell
2018-09-13 21:23:48 UTC
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Post by Unum
Apparently, shoving your head up your ass won't keep your
coastline from getting flooded.
Yup, that millimeter or two over the last decade or so is going
to make a HUGE difference...NOT!
Again Unum shows what a dumbass it is.
Maybe put your head BACK up your ass?
Maybe learn to multiply by 10.
Maybe learn to do some reseaerch and not just post the first thing
you find.
This issue is more about the LAND SINKING in the Carolinas than
the sea is rising.
https://www.livescience.com/24647-east-coast-sea-level-rise-accelerat
ing.html
Maybe you need to think a bit before you write anything.

4" of water is 4" of water regardless of where the 4" comes from.
The water don't care.

Here's another thinking exercise since you seem to need the practice.

You are trapped in that cave again. 4" of air at the ceiling.

Scenario #1:

4" of water floods into the cave from a nearby river.

Scenario #2:

There is an earthquake and the cave sinks 4".
Bret Cahill
2018-09-13 21:10:44 UTC
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Post by Unum
Apparently, shoving your head up your ass won't keep your
coastline from getting flooded.
Yup, that millimeter or two over the last decade or so is going to
make a HUGE difference...NOT!
Again Unum shows what a dumbass it is.
Maybe put your head BACK up your ass?
Maybe learn to multiply by 10.
Actually it's 25.

For a lot of reasons including AGW SLR between Hatteras & Miami has been going up 2 - 3 _cm_ a year.

This translates into 1.5 m of Outer Banks beach lost / year.

It'll be interesting to see what beaches pick up extra sand from the storm and what inlets shift, open or close.


Bret Cahill
Unum
2018-09-13 21:30:08 UTC
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Post by Unum
Apparently, shoving your head up your ass won't keep your
coastline from getting flooded.
Yup, that millimeter or two over the last decade or so is going to
make a HUGE difference...NOT!
Again Unum shows what a dumbass it is.
Maybe put your head BACK up your ass?
Why did you lie, you nasty little shit?

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level

Since the start of the satellite sea level record in 1993, the average rate of
sea level has been about *one-eighth of an inch (3.1 mm) per year*. The rising
water level is mostly due to a combination of meltwater from glaciers and ice
sheets and thermal expansion of seawater as it warms.
Post by KarlK
Post by Unum
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-carolina-sea-level-rise-
hurricane-florence_us_5b985a87e4b0162f4731da0e?8r
In 2012, North Carolina legislators passed a bill that barred
policymakers and developers from using up-to-date climate science
to plan for rising sea levels on the state’s coast. Now
Hurricane Florence threatens to cause a devastating storm surge
that could put thousands of lives in danger and cost the state
billions of dollars worth of damage.
“Sea level rising, simply put, makes every coastal flood deeper
and more destructive,” said Ben Strauss, CEO of Climate Central,
a climate change research organization that has published dozens
of studies about rising sea levels and the risks of ignoring the
problem. “Ignoring it is incredibly dangerous.”
“It only takes a few extra inches of water depth to be the
difference between a ruined floor and no damage, or a ruined
electrical system and just a ruined floor,” Strauss said.
“Floods tend to be a great deal more destructive and costly than
homeowners anticipate.”
Sea level rise can also affect the severity of hurricanes, said
William Sweet, an oceanographer at the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration. “If you compared storm surge heights
from the same storm at the same location over several decades, the
surge would be higher ― assuming no change in flood defenses ―
because of sea level rise,” Sweet said.
But in North Carolina, lawmakers chose to ignore the threats. A
panel of scientists on the state Coastal Resources Commission
issued a dire warning in March 2010, estimating that the sea
levels along the state’s coast would rise 39 inches over the
next century. Conservative lawmakers and business interest groups
feared the report would hurt lucrative real estate development on
the state’s coast and sought to undermine it.
Conservative state Rep. Pat McElraft, whose top campaign
contributors were the North Carolina Association of Realtors and
the North Carolina Home Builders’ Association, drafted a bill in
response that rejected the panel’s predictions.
McElraft introduced the bill in April 2011, and it passed the
legislature in the summer of 2012.
Part of the bill stipulated that state and local agencies must
also refer to historical linear predictions of sea level rise
rather than current research, and another alarming section
required that research look only at 30-year predictions rather
than at a century, as the CRC report had done. Supporters of the
bill saw short-term benefits in more affordable insurance, and
continued opportunities for real estate development and tourism
along the attractive coast. Critics saw the long-term consequences
of damaged homes and businesses and vast swaths of the state being
swallowed by floods.
Environmental scientists, coastal researchers and a number of
lawmakers called the measure a blatant denial of crucial climate
science and criticized then-Gov. Bev Perdue (D) for not acting on
the bill and therefore allowing it to become law.
climate change has “supercharged” recent storms, as
HuffPost’s Chris D’Angelo reported on Friday, putting Florence
on track to do as much, if not more, damage than last year’s
Hurricane Harvey, which devastated parts of Texas and Louisiana.
“It is fair to say that the very same factors are likely at play
here, namely very warm ocean temperatures and an anomalous jet
stream pattern favoring stalled weather systems,” said Michael
Mann, a climate scientist at Pennsylvania State University.
R Kym Horsell
2018-09-13 21:40:08 UTC
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Post by KarlK
Post by Unum
Apparently, shoving your head up your ass won't keep your
coastline from getting flooded.
Yup, that millimeter or two over the last decade or so is going to
make a HUGE difference...NOT!
Again Unum shows what a dumbass it is.
Maybe put your head BACK up your ass?
Why did you lie, you nasty little shit?
Maybe he just dunno how long a decade is.

Sure dont seem to understand cave diving atall atall. :)
Post by Unum
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level
...
KarlK
2018-09-14 18:21:12 UTC
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Post by KarlK
Post by Unum
Apparently, shoving your head up your ass won't keep your
coastline from getting flooded.
Yup, that millimeter or two over the last decade or so is going
to make a HUGE difference...NOT!
Again Unum shows what a dumbass it is.
Maybe put your head BACK up your ass?
Why did you lie, you nasty little shit?
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate
-change-global-sea-level
Since the start of the satellite sea level record in 1993, the
average rate of sea level has been about *one-eighth of an inch
(3.1 mm) per year*. The rising water level is mostly due to a
combination of meltwater from glaciers and ice sheets and thermal
expansion of seawater as it warms.
Unum you misguided cuck. The thread is about the CAROLINAS

This issue is more about the LAND SINKING in the Carolinas than
the sea is rising.
https://www.livescience.com/24647-east-coast-sea-level-rise-accelerat
ing.html
Post by Unum
Post by KarlK
Post by Unum
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-carolina-sea-level-ris
e- hurricane-florence_us_5b985a87e4b0162f4731da0e?8r
In 2012, North Carolina legislators passed a bill that barred
policymakers and developers from using up-to-date climate
science to plan for rising sea levels on the state’s
coast. Now Hurricane Florence threatens to cause a devastating
storm surge that could put thousands of lives in danger and cost
the state billions of dollars worth of damage.
“Sea level rising, simply put, makes every coastal flood
deeper and more destructive,” said Ben Strauss, CEO of
Climate Central, a climate change research organization that has
published dozens of studies about rising sea levels and the
risks of ignoring the problem. “Ignoring it is incredibly
dangerous.”
“It only takes a few extra inches of water depth to be the
difference between a ruined floor and no damage, or a ruined
electrical system and just a ruined floor,” Strauss said.
“Floods tend to be a great deal more destructive and
costly than homeowners anticipate.”
Sea level rise can also affect the severity of hurricanes, said
William Sweet, an oceanographer at the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration. “If you compared storm surge
heights from the same storm at the same location over several
decades, the surge would be higher ― assuming no change
in flood defenses ― because of sea level rise,”
Sweet said.
But in North Carolina, lawmakers chose to ignore the threats. A
panel of scientists on the state Coastal Resources Commission
issued a dire warning in March 2010, estimating that the sea
levels along the state’s coast would rise 39 inches over
the next century. Conservative lawmakers and business interest
groups feared the report would hurt lucrative real estate
development on the state’s coast and sought to undermine
it.
Conservative state Rep. Pat McElraft, whose top campaign
contributors were the North Carolina Association of Realtors and
the North Carolina Home Builders’ Association, drafted a
bill in response that rejected the panel’s predictions.
McElraft introduced the bill in April 2011, and it passed the
legislature in the summer of 2012.
Part of the bill stipulated that state and local agencies must
also refer to historical linear predictions of sea level rise
rather than current research, and another alarming section
required that research look only at 30-year predictions rather
than at a century, as the CRC report had done. Supporters of the
bill saw short-term benefits in more affordable insurance, and
continued opportunities for real estate development and tourism
along the attractive coast. Critics saw the long-term
consequences of damaged homes and businesses and vast swaths of
the state being swallowed by floods.
Environmental scientists, coastal researchers and a number of
lawmakers called the measure a blatant denial of crucial climate
science and criticized then-Gov. Bev Perdue (D) for not acting
on the bill and therefore allowing it to become law.
climate change has “supercharged” recent storms, as
HuffPost’s Chris D’Angelo reported on Friday,
putting Florence on track to do as much, if not more, damage
than last year’s Hurricane Harvey, which devastated parts
of Texas and Louisiana.
“It is fair to say that the very same factors are likely
at play here, namely very warm ocean temperatures and an
anomalous jet stream pattern favoring stalled weather
systems,” said Michael Mann, a climate scientist at
Pennsylvania State University.
Unum
2018-09-14 19:09:10 UTC
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Post by KarlK
Post by Unum
Apparently, shoving your head up your ass won't keep your
coastline from getting flooded.
Yup, that millimeter or two over the last decade or so is going
to make a HUGE difference...NOT!
Again Unum shows what a dumbass it is.
Maybe put your head BACK up your ass?
Why did you lie, you nasty little shit?
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate
-change-global-sea-level
Since the start of the satellite sea level record in 1993, the
average rate of sea level has been about *one-eighth of an inch
(3.1 mm) per year*. The rising water level is mostly due to a
combination of meltwater from glaciers and ice sheets and thermal
expansion of seawater as it warms.
Unum you misguided cuck. The thread is about the CAROLINAS
So sea level didn't rise a "millimeter or two over the last decade"
and you lied?
Post by KarlK
This issue is more about the LAND SINKING in the Carolinas than
the sea is rising.
https://www.livescience.com/24647-east-coast-sea-level-rise-accelerat
ing.html
Did land suddenly start sinking in the Carolinas a whole lot faster in
the past 20 years, dimwit?

From your cite;
'On the coast of North Carolina and at other so-called "hotspots" along the
U.S. East Coast, sea levels are rising about three times more quickly on
average than they are globally, researchers reported during a session devoted
to sea level rise.

That's the fastest rise in the world.'
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Post by Unum
Post by KarlK
Post by Unum
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-carolina-sea-level-ris
e- hurricane-florence_us_5b985a87e4b0162f4731da0e?8r
In 2012, North Carolina legislators passed a bill that barred
policymakers and developers from using up-to-date climate
science to plan for rising sea levels on the state’s
coast. Now Hurricane Florence threatens to cause a devastating
storm surge that could put thousands of lives in danger and cost
the state billions of dollars worth of damage.
“Sea level rising, simply put, makes every coastal flood
deeper and more destructive,” said Ben Strauss, CEO of
Climate Central, a climate change research organization that has
published dozens of studies about rising sea levels and the
risks of ignoring the problem. “Ignoring it is incredibly
dangerous.”
“It only takes a few extra inches of water depth to be the
difference between a ruined floor and no damage, or a ruined
electrical system and just a ruined floor,” Strauss said.
“Floods tend to be a great deal more destructive and
costly than homeowners anticipate.”
Sea level rise can also affect the severity of hurricanes, said
William Sweet, an oceanographer at the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration. “If you compared storm surge
heights from the same storm at the same location over several
decades, the surge would be higher ― assuming no change
in flood defenses ― because of sea level rise,”
Sweet said.
But in North Carolina, lawmakers chose to ignore the threats. A
panel of scientists on the state Coastal Resources Commission
issued a dire warning in March 2010, estimating that the sea
levels along the state’s coast would rise 39 inches over
the next century. Conservative lawmakers and business interest
groups feared the report would hurt lucrative real estate
development on the state’s coast and sought to undermine
it.
Conservative state Rep. Pat McElraft, whose top campaign
contributors were the North Carolina Association of Realtors and
the North Carolina Home Builders’ Association, drafted a
bill in response that rejected the panel’s predictions.
McElraft introduced the bill in April 2011, and it passed the
legislature in the summer of 2012.
Part of the bill stipulated that state and local agencies must
also refer to historical linear predictions of sea level rise
rather than current research, and another alarming section
required that research look only at 30-year predictions rather
than at a century, as the CRC report had done. Supporters of the
bill saw short-term benefits in more affordable insurance, and
continued opportunities for real estate development and tourism
along the attractive coast. Critics saw the long-term
consequences of damaged homes and businesses and vast swaths of
the state being swallowed by floods.
Environmental scientists, coastal researchers and a number of
lawmakers called the measure a blatant denial of crucial climate
science and criticized then-Gov. Bev Perdue (D) for not acting
on the bill and therefore allowing it to become law.
climate change has “supercharged” recent storms, as
HuffPost’s Chris D’Angelo reported on Friday,
putting Florence on track to do as much, if not more, damage
than last year’s Hurricane Harvey, which devastated parts
of Texas and Louisiana.
“It is fair to say that the very same factors are likely
at play here, namely very warm ocean temperatures and an
anomalous jet stream pattern favoring stalled weather
systems,” said Michael Mann, a climate scientist at
Pennsylvania State University.
R Kym Horsell
2018-09-14 21:29:04 UTC
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Apparently, shoving your head up your ass won't keep your
coastline from getting flooded.
Yup, that millimeter or two over the last decade or so is going
to make a HUGE difference...NOT!
Again Unum shows what a dumbass it is.
Maybe put your head BACK up your ass?
Why did you lie, you nasty little shit?
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate
-change-global-sea-level
Since the start of the satellite sea level record in 1993, the
average rate of sea level has been about *one-eighth of an inch
(3.1 mm) per year*. The rising water level is mostly due to a
combination of meltwater from glaciers and ice sheets and thermal
expansion of seawater as it warms.
Unum you misguided cuck. The thread is about the CAROLINAS
So sea level didn't rise a "millimeter or two over the last decade"
and you lied?
Post by KarlK
This issue is more about the LAND SINKING in the Carolinas than
the sea is rising.
https://www.livescience.com/24647-east-coast-sea-level-rise-accelerat
ing.html
Did land suddenly start sinking in the Carolinas a whole lot faster in
the past 20 years, dimwit?
From your cite;
'On the coast of North Carolina and at other so-called "hotspots" along the
U.S. East Coast, sea levels are rising about three times more quickly on
average than they are globally, researchers reported during a session devoted
to sea level rise.
That's the fastest rise in the world.'
One of the reasons for taking the average gauge height from a lot
of stations is the other movements up/down get smoothed out and
average out to 0 given you use enough stations.

From the long-run stations along the Mex Gulf, around Florida, and on
up to the Carolinia we find the subsidence/rise at the stations looks like

Long-run stations TX...NC:
rise/subsidence at location of gauge mm/yr since 2000
-10.2
-5.1
7.4
0.1
4.7
-0.1
1.6
-8.6
8.7
-6.8
-2.6
7.9
3.0
====
avg == 0

So the SLR in that region averages out to ~10 mm/yr since 2000
<em>adjusted for</em> subsidence/rise
KarlK
2018-09-17 17:18:40 UTC
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Unum wrote:

His usual bullshit spew he sends when he can't actually argue a
point.
It is likely Horsehead will try to back him up. The two of them love
rubbing dicks.
It surprises anyone bothers with these two bumblefucks any more.
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Apparently, shoving your head up your ass won't keep your
coastline from getting flooded.
Yup, that millimeter or two over the last decade or so is going
to make a HUGE difference...NOT!
Again Unum shows what a dumbass it is.
Maybe put your head BACK up your ass?
Why did you lie, you nasty little shit?
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/clima
te -change-global-sea-level
Since the start of the satellite sea level record in 1993, the
average rate of sea level has been about *one-eighth of an inch
(3.1 mm) per year*. The rising water level is mostly due to a
combination of meltwater from glaciers and ice sheets and
thermal expansion of seawater as it warms.
Unum you misguided cuck. The thread is about the CAROLINAS
So sea level didn't rise a "millimeter or two over the last
decade" and you lied?
Post by KarlK
This issue is more about the LAND SINKING in the Carolinas than
the sea is rising.
https://www.livescience.com/24647-east-coast-sea-level-rise-accele
rat ing.html
Did land suddenly start sinking in the Carolinas a whole lot
faster in the past 20 years, dimwit?
From your cite;
'On the coast of North Carolina and at other so-called "hotspots"
along the U.S. East Coast, sea levels are rising about three times
more quickly on average than they are globally, researchers
reported during a session devoted to sea level rise.
That's the fastest rise in the world.'
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-carolina-sea-level-r
is e- hurricane-florence_us_5b985a87e4b0162f4731da0e?8r
In 2012, North Carolina legislators passed a bill that barred
policymakers and developers from using up-to-date climate
science to plan for rising sea levels on the
state’s coast. Now Hurricane Florence
threatens to cause a devastating storm surge that could put
thousands of lives in danger and cost the state billions of
dollars worth of damage.
“Sea level rising, simply put, makes every
coastal flood deeper and more destructive,” said
Ben Strauss, CEO of Climate Central, a climate change research
organization that has published dozens of studies about rising
sea levels and the risks of ignoring the problem.
“Ignoring it is incredibly
dangerous.”
“It only takes a few extra inches of water
depth to be the difference between a ruined floor and no
damage, or a ruined electrical system and just a ruined
floor,” Strauss said. “Floods
tend to be a great deal more destructive and costly than
homeowners anticipate.”
Sea level rise can also affect the severity of hurricanes,
said William Sweet, an oceanographer at the National Oceanic
and Atmospheric Administration. “If you
compared storm surge heights from the same storm at the same
location over several decades, the surge would be higher
― assuming no change in flood defenses
― because of sea level rise,”
Sweet said.
But in North Carolina, lawmakers chose to ignore the threats.
A panel of scientists on the state Coastal Resources
Commission issued a dire warning in March 2010, estimating
that the sea levels along the state’s coast
would rise 39 inches over the next century. Conservative
lawmakers and business interest groups feared the report would
hurt lucrative real estate development on the
state’s coast and sought to undermine it.
Conservative state Rep. Pat McElraft, whose top campaign
contributors were the North Carolina Association of Realtors
and the North Carolina Home Builders’
Association, drafted a bill in response that rejected the
panel’s predictions.
McElraft introduced the bill in April 2011, and it passed the
legislature in the summer of 2012.
Part of the bill stipulated that state and local agencies must
also refer to historical linear predictions of sea level rise
rather than current research, and another alarming section
required that research look only at 30-year predictions rather
than at a century, as the CRC report had done. Supporters of
the bill saw short-term benefits in more affordable insurance,
and continued opportunities for real estate development and
tourism along the attractive coast. Critics saw the long-term
consequences of damaged homes and businesses and vast swaths
of the state being swallowed by floods.
Environmental scientists, coastal researchers and a number of
lawmakers called the measure a blatant denial of crucial
climate science and criticized then-Gov. Bev Perdue (D) for
not acting on the bill and therefore allowing it to become
law.
climate change has “supercharged”
recent storms, as HuffPost’s Chris
D’Angelo reported on Friday, putting Florence
on track to do as much, if not more, damage than last
year’s Hurricane Harvey, which devastated
parts of Texas and Louisiana.
“It is fair to say that the very same factors
are likely at play here, namely very warm ocean temperatures
and an anomalous jet stream pattern favoring stalled weather
systems,” said Michael Mann, a climate scientist
at Pennsylvania State University.
Unum
2018-09-17 22:16:33 UTC
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It surprises anyone bothers with these two bumblefucks any more.
Dumbass got nailed by his own cite. Hilarious!
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Post by Unum
So sea level didn't rise a "millimeter or two over the last
decade" and you lied?
Post by KarlK
This issue is more about the LAND SINKING in the Carolinas than
the sea is rising.
https://www.livescience.com/24647-east-coast-sea-level-rise-accele
rat ing.html
Did land suddenly start sinking in the Carolinas a whole lot
faster in the past 20 years, dimwit?
From your cite;
'On the coast of North Carolina and at other so-called "hotspots"
along the U.S. East Coast, sea levels are rising about three times
more quickly on average than they are globally, researchers
reported during a session devoted to sea level rise.
That's the fastest rise in the world.'
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2018-09-18 20:16:38 UTC
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It surprises anyone bothers with these two bumblefucks any more.
Dumbass got nailed by his own cite. Hilarious!
AGAIN Unum gets lost. I rest my case.
Post by Unum
Post by KarlK
Post by Unum
So sea level didn't rise a "millimeter or two over the last
decade" and you lied?
Post by KarlK
This issue is more about the LAND SINKING in the Carolinas than
the sea is rising.
https://www.livescience.com/24647-east-coast-sea-level-rise-accele
rat ing.html
Did land suddenly start sinking in the Carolinas a whole lot
faster in the past 20 years, dimwit?
From your cite;
'On the coast of North Carolina and at other so-called "hotspots"
along the U.S. East Coast, sea levels are rising about three times
more quickly on average than they are globally, researchers
reported during a session devoted to sea level rise.
That's the fastest rise in the world.'
Unum
2018-09-18 22:10:01 UTC
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It surprises anyone bothers with these two bumblefucks any more.
Dumbass got nailed by his own cite. Hilarious!
AGAIN Unum gets lost. I rest my case.
Your 'case' is a few lines down, lol!
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Post by Unum
So sea level didn't rise a "millimeter or two over the last
decade" and you lied?
Post by KarlK
This issue is more about the LAND SINKING in the Carolinas than
the sea is rising.
https://www.livescience.com/24647-east-coast-sea-level-rise-accele
rat ing.html
Did land suddenly start sinking in the Carolinas a whole lot
faster in the past 20 years, dimwit?
From your cite;
'On the coast of North Carolina and at other so-called "hotspots"
along the U.S. East Coast, sea levels are rising about three times
more quickly on average than they are globally, researchers
reported during a session devoted to sea level rise.
That's the fastest rise in the world.'
R Kym Horsell
2018-09-18 22:20:40 UTC
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It surprises anyone bothers with these two bumblefucks any more.
Dumbass got nailed by his own cite. Hilarious!
AGAIN Unum gets lost. I rest my case.
Your 'case' is a few lines down, lol!
Yo jus cain spec sock#997 can understand his cite directly
contydicts what he thinks it meens. Amon da many thins he
cain unnerstan is contydishun.

Sample in dis case:

Hillbilly: "sea lebel rise is all about subsidens"

Reality: "sea level rise along the US S and E coasts is around 3x
global averages at 10 mm/yr, accounting for land rise and subsidence".

Sounds da same to any hillbilly.

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2018-09-19 16:54:46 UTC
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It surprises anyone bothers with these two bumblefucks any
more.
Dumbass got nailed by his own cite. Hilarious!
AGAIN Unum gets lost. I rest my case.
Your 'case' is a few lines down, lol!
WTF is going on here then you stunned twat?
https://earthscience.stackexchange.com/questions/4728/why-is-
relative-sea-level-falling-in-hudson-bay
Why is relative sea-level falling in Hudson Bay?

Land movement is the MAIN reason for rising sea levels in the
Carolinas. It is also the MAIN reason they are falling in the Hudson
Bay.

When you get a clue, reply. Maybe get the babbling Horsehead to
assist.
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So sea level didn't rise a "millimeter or two over the last
decade" and you lied?
Post by KarlK
This issue is more about the LAND SINKING in the Carolinas
than the sea is rising.
https://www.livescience.com/24647-east-coast-sea-level-rise-ac
cele rat ing.html
Did land suddenly start sinking in the Carolinas a whole lot
faster in the past 20 years, dimwit?
From your cite;
'On the coast of North Carolina and at other so-called
"hotspots" along the U.S. East Coast, sea levels are rising
about three times more quickly on average than they are
globally, researchers reported during a session devoted to sea
level rise.
That's the fastest rise in the world.'
Unum
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It surprises anyone bothers with these two bumblefucks any
more.
Dumbass got nailed by his own cite. Hilarious!
AGAIN Unum gets lost. I rest my case.
Your 'case' is a few lines down, lol!
WTF is going on here then you stunned twat?
https://earthscience.stackexchange.com/questions/4728/why-is-
relative-sea-level-falling-in-hudson-bay
Why is relative sea-level falling in Hudson Bay?
Now its suddenly about Hudson Bay? Hilarious!
Post by KarlK
Land movement is the MAIN reason for rising sea levels in the
Carolinas. It is also the MAIN reason they are falling in the Hudson
Bay.
When you get a clue, reply. Maybe get the babbling Horsehead to
assist.
It's all a few lines down, dumbass. Got nailed by his own cite, lol!
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Post by Unum
Post by KarlK
Post by Unum
So sea level didn't rise a "millimeter or two over the last
decade" and you lied?
Post by KarlK
This issue is more about the LAND SINKING in the Carolinas
than the sea is rising.
https://www.livescience.com/24647-east-coast-sea-level-rise-ac
cele rat ing.html
Did land suddenly start sinking in the Carolinas a whole lot
faster in the past 20 years, dimwit?
From your cite;
'On the coast of North Carolina and at other so-called
"hotspots" along the U.S. East Coast, sea levels are rising
about three times more quickly on average than they are
globally, researchers reported during a session devoted to sea
level rise.
That's the fastest rise in the world.'
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2018-09-20 06:23:08 UTC
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It surprises anyone bothers with these two bumblefucks any more.
Dumbass got nailed by his own cite. Hilarious!
AGAIN Unum gets lost. I rest my case.
Your 'case' is a few lines down, lol!
WTF is going on here then you stunned twat?
https://earthscience.stackexchange.com/questions/4728/why-is-
relative-sea-level-falling-in-hudson-bay
Why is relative sea-level falling in Hudson Bay?
Now its suddenly about Hudson Bay? Hilarious!
Wait 5 mins and it'll be about sea level rise 100 km up a river...

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It surprises anyone bothers with these two bumblefucks any more.
Dumbass got nailed by his own cite. Hilarious!
AGAIN Unum gets lost. I rest my case.
Your 'case' is a few lines down, lol!
WTF is going on here then you stunned twat?
https://earthscience.stackexchange.com/questions/4728/why-is-
relative-sea-level-falling-in-hudson-bay
Why is relative sea-level falling in Hudson Bay?
Now its suddenly about Hudson Bay? Hilarious!
Your level of stupidity is truly amazing.
I am beginning to think it may be the inbreeding as well as the way
you were raised.
It is the only explanation.
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Post by KarlK
Land movement is the MAIN reason for rising sea levels in the
Carolinas. It is also the MAIN reason they are falling in the
Hudson Bay.
When you get a clue, reply. Maybe get the babbling Horsehead to
assist.
It's all a few lines down, dumbass. Got nailed by his own cite, lol!
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So sea level didn't rise a "millimeter or two over the last
decade" and you lied?
Post by KarlK
This issue is more about the LAND SINKING in the Carolinas
than the sea is rising.
https://www.livescience.com/24647-east-coast-sea-level-rise-
ac cele rat ing.html
Did land suddenly start sinking in the Carolinas a whole lot
faster in the past 20 years, dimwit?
From your cite;
'On the coast of North Carolina and at other so-called
"hotspots" along the U.S. East Coast, sea levels are rising
about three times more quickly on average than they are
globally, researchers reported during a session devoted to
sea level rise.
That's the fastest rise in the world.'
JTEM is right
2018-09-15 05:30:02 UTC
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In 2012, North Carolina legislators passed a bill that barred policymakers and
developers from using up-to-date climate science to plan for rising sea levels
on the state’s coast. Now Hurricane Florence threatens to cause a devastating
storm surge that could put thousands of lives in danger and cost the state
billions of dollars worth of damage.
Hurricanes never caused storm surges before
Man Made Global Warming During an Ice Age
Caused by Fossil Fuels Which Are Running Out
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Clinton tried to use environmental laws &
regulations to keep people from building
on flood plains, and where hurricanes are
virtually guaranteed to strike ever decade
or so...

People. Went. Ballistic.

Especially the conservatives. They actually
attacked Clinton for saying "Instead of
leaving disaster victims to die, we'll just
stop them from becoming disaster victims in
the first place."

Funny how everyone switched places. Now it's
you idiot "Environmentalists" who want people
to die, and the conservatives think we should
help them live instead.

I hate the new left... I WANT MY LEFT BACK!






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