Sixty-Three Percent of American "Weather-Related Deaths" Are Attributed To Cold

[Hillbilly Davis]

"63% were attributed to exposure to excessive natural cold, hypothermia,
or both."

Deaths Attributed to Heat, Cold, and Other Weather Events in the United
States

by Jeffrey Berko, M.P.H., Deborah D. Ingram, Ph.D., National Center for
Health Statistics; Shubhayu Saha, Ph.D., National Center for Environmental
Health; and Jennifer D. Parker, Ph.D., National Center for Health
Statistics

Abstract

Objectives-This report examines heat-related mortality, cold-related
mortality, and other weather-related mortality during 2006-2010 among
subgroups of U.S. residents.

Methods-Weather-related death rates for demographic and area-based
subgroups were computed using death certificate information. Adjusted odds
ratios for weather-related deaths among subgroups were estimated using
logistic regression.

Results and Conclusions-During 2006-2010, about 2,000 U.S. residents died
each year from weather-related causes of death. About 31% of these deaths
were attributed to exposure to excessive natural heat, heat stroke, sun
stroke, or all; 63% were attributed to exposure to excessive natural cold,
hypothermia, or both; and the remaining 6% were attributed to floods,
storms, or lightning.

Weather-related death rates varied by age, race and ethnicity, sex, and
characteristics of decedent's county of residence (median income, region,
and urbanization level). Adjustment for region and urbanization decreased
the risk of heat-related mortality among Hispanic persons and increased
the risk of cold-related mortality among non-Hispanic black persons,
compared with non-Hispanic white persons. Adjustment also increased the
risk of heat-related mortality and attenuated the risk of cold-related
mortality for counties in the lower three income quartiles.

The differentials in weather-related mortality observed among demographic
subgroups during 2006-2010 in the United States were consistent with those
observed in previous national studies. This study demonstrated that a
better understanding of subpopulations at risk from weather-related
mortality can be obtained by considering area-based variables (county
median household income, region, and urbanization level) when examining
weather-related mortality patterns.

https://search.cdc.gov/search/?query=deaths+attributed+to+hypothermia&utf8
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Post by Hillbilly Davis
"63% were attributed to exposure to excessive natural cold, hypothermia,
or both."

So what?

If you are caught exposed, cold will kill you much faster than heat
will, all other things being equal.

Most parts of the US don't get hot enough to kill for very much of the
time, and it's only the combination of heat and inability to get water
which can kill you quickly.

Lots of the US gets cold enough to kill you if you can't get out of it
and having access to anything except shelter and warmth won't save you.

Post by Hillbilly Davis
Deaths Attributed to Heat, Cold, and Other Weather Events in the United
States
by Jeffrey Berko, M.P.H., Deborah D. Ingram, Ph.D., National Center for
Health Statistics; Shubhayu Saha, Ph.D., National Center for Environmental
Health; and Jennifer D. Parker, Ph.D., National Center for Health
Statistics
Abstract
Objectives-This report examines heat-related mortality, cold-related
mortality, and other weather-related mortality during 2006-2010 among
subgroups of U.S. residents.
Methods-Weather-related death rates for demographic and area-based
subgroups were computed using death certificate information. Adjusted odds
ratios for weather-related deaths among subgroups were estimated using
logistic regression.
Results and Conclusions-During 2006-2010, about 2,000 U.S. residents died
each year from weather-related causes of death. About 31% of these deaths
were attributed to exposure to excessive natural heat, heat stroke, sun
stroke, or all; 63% were attributed to exposure to excessive natural cold,
hypothermia, or both; and the remaining 6% were attributed to floods,
storms, or lightning.
Weather-related death rates varied by age, race and ethnicity, sex, and
characteristics of decedent's county of residence (median income, region,
and urbanization level). Adjustment for region and urbanization decreased
the risk of heat-related mortality among Hispanic persons and increased
the risk of cold-related mortality among non-Hispanic black persons,
compared with non-Hispanic white persons. Adjustment also increased the
risk of heat-related mortality and attenuated the risk of cold-related
mortality for counties in the lower three income quartiles.
The differentials in weather-related mortality observed among demographic
subgroups during 2006-2010 in the United States were consistent with those
observed in previous national studies. This study demonstrated that a
better understanding of subpopulations at risk from weather-related
mortality can be obtained by considering area-based variables (county
median household income, region, and urbanization level) when examining
weather-related mortality patterns.
https://search.cdc.gov/search/?query=deaths+attributed+to+hypothermia&utf8
=%E2%9C%93&affiliate=cdc-main

[Polar Vortex]

Post by Alan Baker
If you are caught exposed, cold will kill you much faster than heat
will, all other things being equal.

Dead fucking WRONG!


https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2015/05/20/cold-weather-deaths/27657269/

Cold weather is 20 times as deadly as hot weather, and it's not the
extreme low or high temperatures that cause the most deaths, according
to a study published Wednesday.

The study found the majority of deaths occurred on moderately hot and
moderately cold days instead of during extreme temperatures.

"Although the risk of mortality due to extremely cold or hot days is
actually higher, they are less frequent," said lead author Antonio
Gasparrini of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

The study — published in the British journal The Lancet — analyzed data
on more than 74 million deaths in 13 countries between 1985 and 2012. Of
those, 5.4 million deaths were related to cold, while 311,000 were
related to heat.

[Kym Horsell]

Post by Polar Vortex

Post by Alan Baker
If you are caught exposed, cold will kill you much faster than heat
will, all other things being equal.

Dead fucking WRONG!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2015/05/20/cold-weather-deaths/27657269/
Cold weather is 20 times as deadly as hot weather, and it's not the
extreme low or high temperatures that cause the most deaths, according
to a study published Wednesday.
The study found the majority of deaths occurred on moderately hot and
moderately cold days instead of during extreme temperatures.

...

Wow.

The study doesn't attribute "causes" to any death, just notes that
more people die during cool-cold weather in some countries than
warm-hot waether.

The study seems merely to confirm what we already know -- the majority of
humanity lives in relatively cold climates and -- surprise -- most of the time
it's "moderately cool" rather than "hot" there.

The obvious reductio seems to fall into line with the non-amazing and
uninformative claim "most thieves are right handed".

To help people not experienced at all with analytic thinking interpret the
results here are some simple numbers:

Humanity is clustered around 45N where the avg annual temps are around 10C.

Taking the band 40N-50N the distribution of avg daily temps is as
follows (each line represents the temp interval X-2.5 to X+2.5 C):

Av Temp (C) Percent of days
-35 0.0140
-30 0.0281
-25 0.3089
-20 0.5335
-15 1.6917
-10 3.3974
-5 6.0649
0 11.8349
5 14.0390
10 19.2896 <-- avg temps around 10C
15 18.8123
20 18.5175
25 5.1874
30 0.2738

If "warm" refers to days with an avg temp above ~25C then "non warm"
days outnumber "warm" days by 17 to 1.


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Post by Hillbilly Davis
"63% were attributed to exposure to excessive natural cold, hypothermia,
or both."
Deaths Attributed to Heat, Cold, and Other Weather Events in the United
States

Astonishing news, lol! "about 2,000 U.S. residents died each year". More
people than that choke to death on chicken bones.

[Kym Horsell]

In the real US the numbers are more like:



US Weather Fatalities: Seasonality

Month Temp(C) #weather fatalities(NOAA)
(x) (y)
1 2.09 1352
2 3.51 1057
3 7.17 1006
4 11.81 1455
5 16.01 1379
6 19.45 1403
7 21.46 2478 <-- max #2
8 20.84 2524 <-- max #1
9 17.75 857
10 13.14 650
11 7.68 604 <-- min
12 3.54 1095


I.e. weather fatalities in summer months outnumber those in winter months 2:1.


You can also break down weather disasters into those caused by above- and
below-avg temps.

#events %total adj loss %loss avg loss #deaths
Drought 24 11.5% $226.0 18.9% $9.4 2,993
Flooding 27 13.0% $114.4 9.6% $4.2 520
Freeze 8 3.8% $26.5 2.2% $3.3 162
Severe Storm 86 41.3% $187.8 15.7% $2.2 1,578
Tropical Cyclone 35 16.8% $566.0 47.3% $16.2 3,210
Wildfire 14 6.7% $34.7 2.9% $2.5 184
Winter Storm 14 6.7% $41.9 3.5% $3.0 1,013
All Disasters 208 100.0% $1,197.3 100.0% $5.8 9,660


Disasters associated with warm-hot weather:

drought
1/2 flooding
1/2 severe storm
TC
wilfires

Gives a total number fatalities = 7436 which is 77% of the total.

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[Mick Heins]

Post by Kym Horsell
US Weather Fatalities: Seasonality
Month Temp(C) #weather fatalities(NOAA)
(x) (y)
1 2.09 1352
2 3.51 1057
3 7.17 1006
4 11.81 1455
5 16.01 1379
6 19.45 1403
7 21.46 2478 <-- max #2
8 20.84 2524 <-- max #1
9 17.75 857
10 13.14 650
11 7.68 604 <-- min
12 3.54 1095
I.e. weather fatalities in summer months outnumber those in winter months 2:1.
You can also break down weather disasters into those caused by above- and
below-avg temps.
#events %total adj loss %loss avg loss #deaths
Drought 24 11.5% $226.0 18.9% $9.4 2,993

Death due to drought? 24 events with an average death toll of 105 each?
Don't buy it.

I note you don't cite the source of the above. Looks like BS to me.

[Kym Horsell]

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell
US Weather Fatalities: Seasonality
Month Temp(C) #weather fatalities(NOAA)
(x) (y)
1 2.09 1352
2 3.51 1057
3 7.17 1006
4 11.81 1455
5 16.01 1379
6 19.45 1403
7 21.46 2478 <-- max #2
8 20.84 2524 <-- max #1
9 17.75 857
10 13.14 650
11 7.68 604 <-- min
12 3.54 1095
I.e. weather fatalities in summer months outnumber those in winter months 2:1.
You can also break down weather disasters into those caused by above- and
below-avg temps.
#events %total adj loss %loss avg loss #deaths
Drought 24 11.5% $226.0 18.9% $9.4 2,993

Death due to drought? 24 events with an average death toll of 105 each?
Don't buy it.
I note you don't cite the source of the above. Looks like BS to me.

US weather disasters are counted by NOAA:

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/billions/summary-stats

There's a note for the "Dought" events:


Deaths associated with drought are the result of heat waves. (Not all droughts are accompanied by extreme heat waves.)

The confidence interval (CI) probabilities (75%, 90% and 95%) represent the uncertainty associated with the disaster cost estimates. Monte Carlo simulations were used to produce upper and lower bounds at these confidence levels (Smith and Matthews, 2015).

Post by Mick Heins
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dependent on it, can still ripen a bunch of grapes as if
it had nothing else in the universe to do. -- Galileo

[Mick Heins]

Post by Kym Horsell

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell
US Weather Fatalities: Seasonality
Month Temp(C) #weather fatalities(NOAA)
(x) (y)
1 2.09 1352
2 3.51 1057
3 7.17 1006
4 11.81 1455
5 16.01 1379
6 19.45 1403
7 21.46 2478 <-- max #2
8 20.84 2524 <-- max #1
9 17.75 857
10 13.14 650
11 7.68 604 <-- min
12 3.54 1095
I.e. weather fatalities in summer months outnumber those in winter months 2:1.
You can also break down weather disasters into those caused by above- and
below-avg temps.
#events %total adj loss %loss avg loss #deaths
Drought 24 11.5% $226.0 18.9% $9.4 2,993

Death due to drought? 24 events with an average death toll of 105 each?
Don't buy it.
I note you don't cite the source of the above. Looks like BS to me.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/billions/summary-stats
Deaths associated with drought are the result of heat waves. (Not all droughts are accompanied by extreme heat waves.)
The confidence interval (CI) probabilities (75%, 90% and 95%)
represent the uncertainty associated with the disaster cost estimates.
Monte Carlo simulations were used to produce upper and lower bounds at
these confidence levels (Smith and Matthews, 2015).

This is utterly bogus. Cold weather is not shown anywhere here. The "freeze" is
simply a citrus event in the stats you are showing.

In other words, you are, as usual, full of it, and your cites of cherry-
picked statistics tries to lend legitimacy to your bullshit.

[R Kym Horsell]

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell
US Weather Fatalities: Seasonality
Month Temp(C) #weather fatalities(NOAA)
(x) (y)
1 2.09 1352
2 3.51 1057
3 7.17 1006
4 11.81 1455
5 16.01 1379
6 19.45 1403
7 21.46 2478 <-- max #2
8 20.84 2524 <-- max #1
9 17.75 857
10 13.14 650
11 7.68 604 <-- min
12 3.54 1095
I.e. weather fatalities in summer months outnumber those in winter months 2:1.
You can also break down weather disasters into those caused by above- and
below-avg temps.
Drought 24 11.5% $226.0 18.9% $9.4 2,993

Death due to drought? 24 events with an average death toll of 105 each?
Don't buy it.
I note you don't cite the source of the above. Looks like BS to me.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/billions/summary-stats
Deaths associated with drought are the result of heat waves. (Not all droughts are accompanied by extreme heat waves.)
The confidence interval (CI) probabilities (75%, 90% and 95%)
represent the uncertainty associated with the disaster cost estimates.
Monte Carlo simulations were used to produce upper and lower bounds at
these confidence levels (Smith and Matthews, 2015).

This is utterly bogus. Cold weather is not shown anywhere here. The "freeze" is
simply a citrus event in the stats you are showing.
In other words, you are, as usual, full of it, and your cites of cherry-
picked statistics tries to lend legitimacy to your bullshit.

IOW you have to make up some excuse because you don't
actually understand under what conditions droughts, heatwaves and floods
occur or which months in the N hemisphere are cold and which are hot
even with given avg monthly temperature crib notes..

Thanks for confirmation any conversation is a waste of time.

[Mick Heins]

Post by R Kym Horsell

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell
US Weather Fatalities: Seasonality
Month Temp(C) #weather fatalities(NOAA)
(x) (y)
1 2.09 1352
2 3.51 1057
3 7.17 1006
4 11.81 1455
5 16.01 1379
6 19.45 1403
7 21.46 2478 <-- max #2
8 20.84 2524 <-- max #1
9 17.75 857
10 13.14 650
11 7.68 604 <-- min
12 3.54 1095
I.e. weather fatalities in summer months outnumber those in winter months 2:1.
You can also break down weather disasters into those caused by above- and
below-avg temps.
Drought 24 11.5% $226.0 18.9% $9.4 2,993

Death due to drought? 24 events with an average death toll of 105 each?
Don't buy it.
I note you don't cite the source of the above. Looks like BS to me.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/billions/summary-stats
Deaths associated with drought are the result of heat waves. (Not all droughts are accompanied by extreme heat waves.)
The confidence interval (CI) probabilities (75%, 90% and 95%)
represent the uncertainty associated with the disaster cost estimates.
Monte Carlo simulations were used to produce upper and lower bounds at
these confidence levels (Smith and Matthews, 2015).

This is utterly bogus. Cold weather is not shown anywhere here. The "freeze" is
simply a citrus event in the stats you are showing.
In other words, you are, as usual, full of it, and your cites of cherry-
picked statistics tries to lend legitimacy to your bullshit.

IOW you have to make up some excuse because you don't
actually understand under what conditions droughts, heatwaves and floods
occur or which months in the N hemisphere are cold and which are hot
even with given avg monthly temperature crib notes..

Oh, you aren't being disengenous then? You simply don't understand what you are
looking at? OK, I'll explain it to you.

These are disaster events. All deaths in the winter months are not listed here,
just disaster events and associated deaths. This does not include cold spells.
So your (apparent) claim that heat causes more deaths is completely bogus.

In addition, since you are using US statistics, one of the richest countries
in the world, a huge percentage of people have heat. Not so true in many other
countries that can suffer from the cold.

Cold kills many more people than heat. Period. Whether you understand it or
not.

[Kym Horsell]

Post by Mick Heins

Post by R Kym Horsell

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell
US Weather Fatalities: Seasonality
Month Temp(C) #weather fatalities(NOAA)
(x) (y)
1 2.09 1352
2 3.51 1057
3 7.17 1006
4 11.81 1455
5 16.01 1379
6 19.45 1403
7 21.46 2478 <-- max #2
8 20.84 2524 <-- max #1
9 17.75 857
10 13.14 650
11 7.68 604 <-- min
12 3.54 1095
I.e. weather fatalities in summer months outnumber those in winter months 2:1.
You can also break down weather disasters into those caused by above- and
below-avg temps.
Drought 24 11.5% $226.0 18.9% $9.4 2,993

Death due to drought? 24 events with an average death toll of 105 each?
Don't buy it.
I note you don't cite the source of the above. Looks like BS to me.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/billions/summary-stats
Deaths associated with drought are the result of heat waves. (Not all droughts are accompanied by extreme heat waves.)
The confidence interval (CI) probabilities (75%, 90% and 95%)
represent the uncertainty associated with the disaster cost estimates.
Monte Carlo simulations were used to produce upper and lower bounds at
these confidence levels (Smith and Matthews, 2015).

This is utterly bogus. Cold weather is not shown anywhere here. The "freeze" is
simply a citrus event in the stats you are showing.
In other words, you are, as usual, full of it, and your cites of cherry-
picked statistics tries to lend legitimacy to your bullshit.

IOW you have to make up some excuse because you don't
actually understand under what conditions droughts, heatwaves and floods
occur or which months in the N hemisphere are cold and which are hot
even with given avg monthly temperature crib notes..

Oh, you aren't being disengenous then? You simply don't understand what you are

That's just simple projection. You previously flagged you are not to be
taken too seriously with that "usual bullshit" remark.

The sequel we assume is just rationalisation:

"there are not enough freeze events versus heatwave events, waaaa".

Post by Mick Heins
looking at? OK, I'll explain it to you.

Funny. As far as I know you are not any kind of expert in science, math
or stats -- an arts background?

And this is me:
<kaggle.com/kymhorsell1>

Post by Mick Heins
These are disaster events. All deaths in the winter months are not listed here,

...

These are weather disaster events. Eech disaster has a weather type and a fatality count.

So this kinda beats the study usually paraded by the hillbillies that merely
look at the number of deaths that occured in different months.

In *this* kind of study we have someone classify those deaths that are
causally weather-related to start with.

The disaster data I cited is official and meaintained by the US commerce dept (NOAA) as they also keep the other data tabled at the top (fatalities from all "weather events" large and small).

The 2 different types of data were presented to both reinforce the position that
weather "causes" an acknowleged number of fatalities in the US in certain
months and neither set of data supports the position that more "weather related deaths" occur related to cold-season weather than warm-season weather, let alone "63%".

This is only to be expected since the subject line of the OP was something posted elsewhere and subsequently changed to the opposite sense by some igrunt
hillbilly.

I will leave you to your "artictic direction".

[Mick Heins]

Post by Kym Horsell

Post by Mick Heins

Post by R Kym Horsell

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell
US Weather Fatalities: Seasonality
Month Temp(C) #weather fatalities(NOAA)
(x) (y)
1 2.09 1352
2 3.51 1057
3 7.17 1006
4 11.81 1455
5 16.01 1379
6 19.45 1403
7 21.46 2478 <-- max #2
8 20.84 2524 <-- max #1
9 17.75 857
10 13.14 650
11 7.68 604 <-- min
12 3.54 1095
I.e. weather fatalities in summer months outnumber those in winter months 2:1.
You can also break down weather disasters into those caused by above- and
below-avg temps.
Drought 24 11.5% $226.0 18.9% $9.4 2,993

Death due to drought? 24 events with an average death toll of 105 each?
Don't buy it.
I note you don't cite the source of the above. Looks like BS to me.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/billions/summary-stats
Deaths associated with drought are the result of heat waves. (Not all droughts are accompanied by extreme heat waves.)
The confidence interval (CI) probabilities (75%, 90% and 95%)
represent the uncertainty associated with the disaster cost estimates.
Monte Carlo simulations were used to produce upper and lower bounds at
these confidence levels (Smith and Matthews, 2015).

This is utterly bogus. Cold weather is not shown anywhere here. The "freeze" is
simply a citrus event in the stats you are showing.
In other words, you are, as usual, full of it, and your cites of cherry-
picked statistics tries to lend legitimacy to your bullshit.

IOW you have to make up some excuse because you don't
actually understand under what conditions droughts, heatwaves and floods
occur or which months in the N hemisphere are cold and which are hot
even with given avg monthly temperature crib notes..

Oh, you aren't being disengenous then? You simply don't understand what you are

That's just simple projection. You previously flagged you are not to be
taken too seriously with that "usual bullshit" remark.
"there are not enough freeze events versus heatwave events, waaaa".

Post by Mick Heins
looking at? OK, I'll explain it to you.

Funny. As far as I know you are not any kind of expert in science, math
or stats -- an arts background?
<kaggle.com/kymhorsell1>

Post by Mick Heins
These are disaster events. All deaths in the winter months are not listed here,

...
These are weather disaster events. Eech disaster has a weather type and a fatality count.
So this kinda beats the study usually paraded by the hillbillies that merely
look at the number of deaths that occured in different months.
In *this* kind of study we have someone classify those deaths that are
causally weather-related to start with.
The disaster data I cited is official and meaintained by the US
commerce dept (NOAA) as they also keep the other data tabled at the
top (fatalities from all "weather events" large and small).
The 2 different types of data were presented to both reinforce the
position that weather "causes" an acknowleged number of fatalities in
the US in certain months and neither set of data supports the position
that more "weather related deaths" occur related to cold-season
weather than warm-season weather, let alone "63%".
This is only to be expected since the subject line of the OP was
something posted elsewhere and subsequently changed to the opposite
sense by some igrunt hillbilly.
I will leave you to your "artictic direction".

I will leave this parade of misunderstanding intact. Anyone capable
of reason will see what you are doing, and realize that you are
attempting to massage statistics you don't understand to support your
predetermined agenda.

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On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 17:26:48 -0600, Mick Heins says...

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell
I will leave you to your "artictic direction".

I will leave this parade of misunderstanding intact. Anyone capable
of reason will see what you are doing, and realize that you are
attempting to massage statistics you don't understand to support your
predetermined agenda.

Give him a little break... he's the inbred son of convicts. He's like a
Mexican dreamer... it's not HIS fault he's the product of
island-inbreeding amongst the dregs of British societal problem people.

If someone posts the TRUTH about something, he'll immediately try and post
what appears to be a rebuttal, but on closer inspection, is NOTHING of the
sort.

Kymberly COMPLETELY distorted what the topic is about, with his usual
garbage. The topic was about 63% of people dying from cold, which is more
than heat-related deaths at 31%, and he turned it into WHEN weather events
happen, that kill people, which is in summer months, most of the time.

Yes, more people die in hurricanes than in snowstorms, but that does NOT
mean more people die as a consequence of heat... they died from being
smashed over the head with a fucking HOUSE, whereas snowstorms kill
BECAUSE of the cold, and not a snow-laden tree. ;-)

Poor poor Kymberly...

Wildfire is now a WEATHER event?

Hurricanes happen mostly in the summer, so a death from a hurricane is
regarded as a "heat-related" death?

Riiiiight.

Typical left winger made-up bullshit... made-up in the minds of basement
dwellers that have NO life, other than the one they've created in their
own fucked-up minds.

He's a hand-wringing Dr. Evil type... thinking of ways to kill everyone en
masse that doesn't agree with his idiotic ideals.

The CDC says that more people die because of cold, and he comes out with
his stupid "statistics" about who dies "of when", instead of "of what".

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Example of his warPed sense of right or wrong using HIS logic:

Because more people drown swimming in the summer, than in the winter (HOW
many people swim in the winter?), HE equates that to more people dying
from "heat", when we can ALL see, even his butt-fucking buddies who have
NO girlfriends or JOBS, that it's bullshit.

Idiots like Kymberly, are THE main reasons no one believes the bullshit of
"manmade global warming" anymore.

They doth protest too much, and it's usually too fantastical to believe
what they say, when there's ALWAYS a failed attempt to TRY and rebut what
reputable scientists say.

If someone posts something that makes sense and might explain things being
the way they are, you can ALWAYS count on some stupid attempt to refute,
and it's usually too stupid to believe.

One idiot, Tom Sr., came out with an article that said "Global Warming"
was making bee's tongues shorter, when in reality, it was a completely
different kind of bee, that HAPPENED to have a shorter tongue than other
bees.

Then, there was the article about Global Warming causing shortages of Cod
off the coast of New England, when ALL it was, was simply a matter of
OVER-fishing.

Keep on posting your bullshit, Kymberly... it's amusing and 0.000001°
true. LOL

[Wally W.]

Post by AlleyCat
On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 17:26:48 -0600, Mick Heins says...

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell
I will leave you to your "artictic direction".

I will leave this parade of misunderstanding intact. Anyone capable
of reason will see what you are doing, and realize that you are
attempting to massage statistics you don't understand to support your
predetermined agenda.

Give him a little break...

No. Why would you with his track record here?

[AlleyCat]

On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 21:53:42 -0500, Wally W. says...

Post by Wally W.

Post by AlleyCat
On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 17:26:48 -0600, Mick Heins says...

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell
I will leave you to your "artictic direction".

I will leave this parade of misunderstanding intact. Anyone capable
of reason will see what you are doing, and realize that you are
attempting to massage statistics you don't understand to support your
predetermined agenda.

Give him a little break...

No. Why would you with his track record here?

(laughing while typing) I was NOT being serious. ;-)

How could you get seriousness outta this?

Give him a little break... he's the inbred son of convicts. He's like a
Mexican dreamer... it's not HIS fault he's the product of
island-inbreeding amongst the dregs of British societal problem people.

[giggle]

[Unum]

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell

Post by Mick Heins

Post by R Kym Horsell

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell
US Weather Fatalities: Seasonality
Month Temp(C) #weather fatalities(NOAA)
(x) (y)
1 2.09 1352
2 3.51 1057
3 7.17 1006
4 11.81 1455
5 16.01 1379
6 19.45 1403
7 21.46 2478 <-- max #2
8 20.84 2524 <-- max #1
9 17.75 857
10 13.14 650
11 7.68 604 <-- min
12 3.54 1095
I.e. weather fatalities in summer months outnumber those in winter months 2:1.
You can also break down weather disasters into those caused by above- and
below-avg temps.
Drought 24 11.5% $226.0 18.9% $9.4 2,993

Death due to drought? 24 events with an average death toll of 105 each?
Don't buy it.
I note you don't cite the source of the above. Looks like BS to me.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/billions/summary-stats
Deaths associated with drought are the result of heat waves. (Not all droughts are accompanied by extreme heat waves.)
The confidence interval (CI) probabilities (75%, 90% and 95%)
represent the uncertainty associated with the disaster cost estimates.
Monte Carlo simulations were used to produce upper and lower bounds at
these confidence levels (Smith and Matthews, 2015).

This is utterly bogus. Cold weather is not shown anywhere here. The "freeze" is
simply a citrus event in the stats you are showing.
In other words, you are, as usual, full of it, and your cites of cherry-
picked statistics tries to lend legitimacy to your bullshit.

IOW you have to make up some excuse because you don't
actually understand under what conditions droughts, heatwaves and floods
occur or which months in the N hemisphere are cold and which are hot
even with given avg monthly temperature crib notes..

Oh, you aren't being disengenous then? You simply don't understand what you are

That's just simple projection. You previously flagged you are not to be
taken too seriously with that "usual bullshit" remark.
"there are not enough freeze events versus heatwave events, waaaa".

Post by Mick Heins
looking at? OK, I'll explain it to you.

Funny. As far as I know you are not any kind of expert in science, math
or stats -- an arts background?
<kaggle.com/kymhorsell1>

Post by Mick Heins
These are disaster events. All deaths in the winter months are not listed here,

...
These are weather disaster events. Eech disaster has a weather type and a fatality count.
So this kinda beats the study usually paraded by the hillbillies that merely
look at the number of deaths that occured in different months.
In *this* kind of study we have someone classify those deaths that are
causally weather-related to start with.
The disaster data I cited is official and meaintained by the US
commerce dept (NOAA) as they also keep the other data tabled at the
top (fatalities from all "weather events" large and small).
The 2 different types of data were presented to both reinforce the
position that weather "causes" an acknowleged number of fatalities in
the US in certain months and neither set of data supports the position
that more "weather related deaths" occur related to cold-season
weather than warm-season weather, let alone "63%".
This is only to be expected since the subject line of the OP was
something posted elsewhere and subsequently changed to the opposite
sense by some igrunt hillbilly.
I will leave you to your "artictic direction".

I will leave this parade of misunderstanding intact. Anyone capable
of reason will see what you are doing, and realize that you are
attempting to massage statistics you don't understand to support your
predetermined agenda.

So all you've got is a big fat yap?

[R Kym Horsell]

Post by Unum

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell
US Weather Fatalities: Seasonality
Month Temp(C) #weather fatalities(NOAA)
(x) (y)
1 2.09 1352
2 3.51 1057
3 7.17 1006
4 11.81 1455
5 16.01 1379
6 19.45 1403
7 21.46 2478 <-- max #2
8 20.84 2524 <-- max #1
9 17.75 857
10 13.14 650
11 7.68 604 <-- min
12 3.54 1095
I.e. weather fatalities in summer months outnumber those in winter months 2:1.
You can also break down weather disasters into those caused by above- and
below-avg temps.
Drought 24 11.5% $226.0 18.9% $9.4 2,993

Death due to drought? 24 events with an average death toll of 105 each?
Don't buy it.
I note you don't cite the source of the above. Looks like BS to me.

...

Post by Unum

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell

Post by Mick Heins
looking at? OK, I'll explain it to you.

Funny. As far as I know you are not any kind of expert in science, math
or stats -- an arts background?
<kaggle.com/kymhorsell1>

Post by Mick Heins
These are disaster events. All deaths in the winter months are not listed here,

...
These are weather disaster events. Eech disaster has a weather type and a fatality count.
So this kinda beats the study usually paraded by the hillbillies that merely
look at the number of deaths that occured in different months.
In *this* kind of study we have someone classify those deaths that are
causally weather-related to start with.
The disaster data I cited is official and meaintained by the US
commerce dept (NOAA) as they also keep the other data tabled at the
top (fatalities from all "weather events" large and small).
The 2 different types of data were presented to both reinforce the
position that weather "causes" an acknowleged number of fatalities in
the US in certain months and neither set of data supports the position
that more "weather related deaths" occur related to cold-season
weather than warm-season weather, let alone "63%".
This is only to be expected since the subject line of the OP was
something posted elsewhere and subsequently changed to the opposite
sense by some igrunt hillbilly.
I will leave you to your "artictic direction".

I will leave this parade of misunderstanding intact. Anyone capable
of reason will see what you are doing, and realize that you are
attempting to massage statistics you don't understand to support your
predetermined agenda.

So all you've got is a big fat yap?

It's just more projection. As the guy flagged to start with, he made his
mind up long ago and can't be swayed by any new facts no matter how robust.
But his "expert" con was at least amusing.

--
Denialists are not honest brokers in the debate. They aren't
interested in truth, data, or informative discussion, they're
interested in their world view being the only one, and they'll say
anything to try to bring this about. [O]nce you've shown that what
they say is deceptive, or prima-facie absurd, you don't have to spend
a graduate career dissecting it and taking it apart.
-- Mark Hoofnagle, http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/about.php

[Mick Heins]

Post by R Kym Horsell

Post by Unum

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell
US Weather Fatalities: Seasonality
Month Temp(C) #weather fatalities(NOAA)
(x) (y)
1 2.09 1352
2 3.51 1057
3 7.17 1006
4 11.81 1455
5 16.01 1379
6 19.45 1403
7 21.46 2478 <-- max #2
8 20.84 2524 <-- max #1
9 17.75 857
10 13.14 650
11 7.68 604 <-- min
12 3.54 1095
I.e. weather fatalities in summer months outnumber those in winter months 2:1.
You can also break down weather disasters into those caused by above- and
below-avg temps.
Drought 24 11.5% $226.0 18.9% $9.4 2,993

Death due to drought? 24 events with an average death toll of 105 each?
Don't buy it.
I note you don't cite the source of the above. Looks like BS to me.

...

Post by Unum

Post by Mick Heins

Post by Kym Horsell

Post by Mick Heins
looking at? OK, I'll explain it to you.

Funny. As far as I know you are not any kind of expert in science, math
or stats -- an arts background?
<kaggle.com/kymhorsell1>

Post by Mick Heins
These are disaster events. All deaths in the winter months are not listed here,

...
These are weather disaster events. Eech disaster has a weather type and a fatality count.
So this kinda beats the study usually paraded by the hillbillies that merely
look at the number of deaths that occured in different months.
In *this* kind of study we have someone classify those deaths that are
causally weather-related to start with.
The disaster data I cited is official and meaintained by the US
commerce dept (NOAA) as they also keep the other data tabled at the
top (fatalities from all "weather events" large and small).
The 2 different types of data were presented to both reinforce the
position that weather "causes" an acknowleged number of fatalities in
the US in certain months and neither set of data supports the position
that more "weather related deaths" occur related to cold-season
weather than warm-season weather, let alone "63%".
This is only to be expected since the subject line of the OP was
something posted elsewhere and subsequently changed to the opposite
sense by some igrunt hillbilly.
I will leave you to your "artictic direction".

I will leave this parade of misunderstanding intact. Anyone capable
of reason will see what you are doing, and realize that you are
attempting to massage statistics you don't understand to support your
predetermined agenda.

So all you've got is a big fat yap?

It's just more projection. As the guy flagged to start with, he made his
mind up long ago and can't be swayed by any new facts no matter how robust.
But his "expert" con was at least amusing.

You guys don't see, and the fact that you don't see is damning.
You cannot discuss the issues, all you can do is clip and paste
"facts" you don't understand.

"Freeze disasters" and associated deaths are completely meaningless.
You either don't understand that cold-related deaths are not categorized as
disasters, or you don't understand why that matters.

Using "weather fatalities" as a claim that cold is not as dangerous as heat
is stupid. But you two show, over and over again, that you are all about the
stupid.

[Wally W.]

Post by Kym Horsell
US Weather Fatalities: Seasonality
Month Temp(C) #weather fatalities(NOAA)
(x) (y)
1 2.09 1352
2 3.51 1057
3 7.17 1006
4 11.81 1455
5 16.01 1379
6 19.45 1403
7 21.46 2478 <-- max #2
8 20.84 2524 <-- max #1
9 17.75 857
10 13.14 650
11 7.68 604 <-- min
12 3.54 1095
I.e. weather fatalities in summer months outnumber those in winter months 2:1.
You can also break down weather disasters into those caused by above- and
below-avg temps.
#events %total adj loss %loss avg loss #deaths
Drought 24 11.5% $226.0 18.9% $9.4 2,993
Flooding 27 13.0% $114.4 9.6% $4.2 520
Freeze 8 3.8% $26.5 2.2% $3.3 162
Severe Storm 86 41.3% $187.8 15.7% $2.2 1,578
Tropical Cyclone 35 16.8% $566.0 47.3% $16.2 3,210
Wildfire 14 6.7% $34.7 2.9% $2.5 184
Winter Storm 14 6.7% $41.9 3.5% $3.0 1,013
All Disasters 208 100.0% $1,197.3 100.0% $5.8 9,660
drought
1/2 flooding
1/2 severe storm
TC
wilfires
Gives a total number fatalities = 7436 which is 77% of the total.

How much joy is there in tallying, comparing, contrasting, and
compiling permutations of body counts?

[Hillbilly Davis]

On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 21:27:14 -0800 (PST), Kym Horsell says...

Post by Kym Horsell
Wildfire

[giggle]

Post by Kym Horsell
I.e. weather fatalities in summer months outnumber those in winter months 2:1.

No source: means it's a lie.

=====

Sixty-Three Percent of American "WEATHER-Related Deaths" Are Attributed To
Cold

Results and Conclusions-During 2006-2010, about 2,000 U.S. residents died
each year from weather-related causes of death. About 31% of these deaths
were attributed to exposure to excessive natural heat, heat stroke, sun
stroke, or all; 63% were attributed to exposure to excessive natural cold,
hypothermia, or both; and the remaining 6% were attributed to floods,
storms, or lightning. - Jeffrey Berko, M.P.H., Deborah D.
Ingram, Ph.D., National Center for Health Statistics; Shubhayu Saha,
Ph.D., National Center for Environmental Health; and Jennifer D. Parker,
Ph.D., National Center for Health Statistics

=====

I got me a source. So, you're saying dat de CDC and these Ph.D.s is lying?
What's your PhD. in? I forgot.

https://search.cdc.gov/search/?query=deaths+attributed+to+hypothermia&utf8
=%E2%9C%93&affiliate=cdc-main

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr076.pdf
--
Climate Hillbilly

It's "weather" when the temperatures don't agree with what climate
screechers have to say, and then it's climate change, when it does.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI

Australia Weather Bureau Caught Tampering With Climate Numbers

Climate Change Scientists Caught Tampering With Data to Show Rising Sea
Levels

"NOAA And NASA Corrected Historical Temperature Data And Fabricated
Temperature Data"

[Polar Vortex]

Post by Unum

Post by Hillbilly Davis
"63% were attributed to exposure to excessive natural cold, hypothermia,
or both."
Deaths Attributed to Heat, Cold, and Other Weather Events in the United
States

Astonishing news, lol! "about 2,000 U.S. residents died each year". More
people than that choke to death on chicken bones.

So why haven't you?

Need more bones?

[Hillbilly Davis]

On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 23:09:02 -0600, Unum says...

Post by Unum

Post by Hillbilly Davis
"63% were attributed to exposure to excessive natural cold, hypothermia,
or both."
Deaths Attributed to Heat, Cold, and Other Weather Events in the United
States

Astonishing news, lol! "about 2,000 U.S. residents died each year". More
people than that choke to death on chicken bones.

Not the point, dumb fuck.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.global-warming/how$20%22hot
$20weather%22$20killed$2060$25$20of$20saiga
$20antelope|sort:date/alt.global-warming/OklO2dx0t7E/KYlA3-PEAQAJ

[giggle] You're a special kind of stupid, basement boy.

63% cold vs. 31% heat
--
Climate Hillbilly

It's "weather" when the temperatures don't agree with what climate
screechers have to say, and then it's climate change, when it does.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI

Australia Weather Bureau Caught Tampering With Climate Numbers

Climate Change Scientists Caught Tampering With Data to Show Rising Sea
Levels

[Unum]

Post by Hillbilly Davis
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 23:09:02 -0600, Unum says...

Post by Unum

Post by Hillbilly Davis
"63% were attributed to exposure to excessive natural cold, hypothermia,
or both."
Deaths Attributed to Heat, Cold, and Other Weather Events in the United
States

Astonishing news, lol! "about 2,000 U.S. residents died each year". More
people than that choke to death on chicken bones.

Not the point, dumb fuck.

What was the point, you sad little moron. Astonishing news, lol!

[7]

Post by Hillbilly Davis
"63% were attributed to exposure to excessive natural cold, hypothermia,
or both."

During night, it is 10 degrees average colder than day time
and stays cold for 10 hours no end.

Waaa! Waaaa! wwwaaaaaaaa!!

Glow ball cooling is oppressing me each night!!!



Climate change now accelerated to 1 degree per HOUR!!!!

As the Sun cums up, the earth's temperature goes up
average 1 degree per hour. And when then Sun cums
down, the globe cools 1 degree per hour.

Climate is changing every hour!

Awe noooo! This is making me crispy and toasted.

Can I have a bacon sandwich to top it all off?