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WHO Ever Said "Global Warming" Wasn't "Real"?
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Hillbilly Davis
2018-07-03 23:50:39 UTC
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And it's sure being proven everywhere this week.
Global "warming", you know, that whole 1°C average global temperature
rise, we've experienced in the last 150 years, is NOTHING new.

Blah blah blah, it's getting warmer (barely), blah blah blah, man is NOT
responsible, blah blah blah.

http://tinyurl.com/warmer-most-of-last-10-K-years

http://www.economicsjunkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/gisp-last-10000-
new.png

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/2065311545_
2abdf79551.jpg

Global Temperature Chart 2500 BC to Present

The chart above does not really need any words, it is pretty self
explanatory. Though we should do whatever we can to eliminate pollution
and take care of our environment, the chart shows that Global warming and
cooling will go on with or without mankind's involvement

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/415k-year-temp-
graph.jpg

This graph and the graphs below are drawn from the data gathered from the
Vostok ice core samples and, unlike the tree ring data, is scientifically
sound and uncontroversial. Looking at the above graph, there have been six
periods in the last 415,000 years when global temperature exceeded today's
temperature by as much as nine degrees. 10,000 years ago, the global
temperature was five degrees higher than today. Hey, wait a minute, polar
bears have been around longer than 10,000 years, haven't they? Yeah,
they've been around for about 200,000 years. Which means that in the world
according to Gore, they should have gone extinct twice by now.

Alright, so let's drill down and look at global temperature over the last
16,000 years...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/16k-2k-year-temp-
graph.jpg
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It's "weather" when the temperatures don't agree with what climate
screechers have to say, and then it's climate change, when it does.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."


Australia Weather Bureau Caught Tampering With Climate Numbers

Climate Change Scientists Caught Tampering With Data to Show Rising Sea
Levels

"NOAA And NASA Corrected Historical Temperature Data And Fabricated
Temperature Data"

"NASA Made Efforts To Discredit Their Own Satellite Data"

"NASA Refused To Give Data And Information Requested By The US
House Of Representatives Science, Space And Technology Committee"

"NASA And NOAA Caught In Climate Data Manipulation"

"NASA Dramatically Altered US Temperatures After The Year 2000"

"Spectacularly Poor Climate Science At NASA"

"NASA/NOAA Mislead, Deceive and Lie About 'Hottest Year' Claim - Concede
2014 NOT "Hottest Year"

"Climate Fraud: NASA's Recent Global Warming "Corrections" Equal a +95.0°C
Per Century Trend"

https://www.google.com/#newwindow=1&q=noaa+nasa+caught

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UN Official Admits That Climate Change Used As A Ruse To Control The
World's Economy
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/diabolical-lie-called-climate-change-used-
un-promote-economic-agenda/
*****
"Unequal Distribution of Wealth and Power" Causes Climate Change
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/un-climate-summit-causes-of-
climate-change-unequal-distribution-of-wealth-and-power/
*****
U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to-
destroy-capitalism/
*****
Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-
admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/
*****
United Nations Official Admits the Purpose of the Global Warming Hoax is
to Destroy Capitalism
http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/donald-r-may/2015-02-
27/united-nations-official-admits-purpose-global-warming#.V-nGUOM1HmE
Bret Cahill
2018-07-03 23:54:48 UTC
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And it's sure being proven everywhere this week.
Global "warming", you know, that whole 1°C average global temperature
rise, we've experienced in the last 150 years, is NOTHING new.
When has it gone up that fast before?

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R Kym Horsell
2018-07-04 00:20:17 UTC
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And it's sure being proven everywhere this week.
Global "warming", you know, that whole 1^0C average global temperature
rise, we've experienced in the last 150 years, is NOTHING new.
When has it gone up that fast before?
<CIA>
Stand by for a garbage list of random dates and times...
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Record high methane levels before the modern era:

Year CH4 conc
(ppbv)
-321538 773
-320883 731
-126414 710
-126130 708
-126682 704
-126626 700
-126449 699
-415223 695
-125940 687
-125576 683

(Source: Vostok ch4nat).

Modern values:

2000 1784
2001 1784
2002 1784
2003 1791
2004 1789
2005 1788
2006 1787
2007 1795
2008 1799
2009 1810
2010 1816
2011 1817
2012 1825
2013 1832
2014 1841
2015 1852
2016 1862
Bret Cahill
2018-07-04 18:41:28 UTC
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And it's sure being proven everywhere this week.
Global "warming", you know, that whole 1^0C average global temperature
rise, we've experienced in the last 150 years, is NOTHING new.
When has it gone up that fast before?
<CIA>
Stand by for a garbage list of random dates and times...
We haven't eben gotten that!
Wally W.
2018-07-04 01:09:28 UTC
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And it's sure being proven everywhere this week.
Global "warming", you know, that whole 1°C average global temperature
rise, we've experienced in the last 150 years, is NOTHING new.
When has it gone up that fast before?
<CIA>
Google is your friend ... well, maybe not.
Hillbilly Davis
2018-07-04 04:16:21 UTC
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On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 16:54:48 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill says...
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Post by Hillbilly Davis
And it's sure being proven everywhere this week.
Global "warming", you know, that whole 1°C average global temperature
rise, we've experienced in the last 150 years, is NOTHING new.
When has it gone up that fast before?
Not only has it gone up "that fast" before, and too many times to count,
and yes, during the Big Banglocene too (dumb ass childish redneck bullshit
term)... it's gone up HIGHER.

Whiners, whining: but waaaaait... NASA and The NOAA sayssss that it's
nevvvvverrrr been warmer than now.

[giggle]
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<CIA>
Childish <CIA> bullshit aside... we all know that that is just a simple
ploy to get people to talk with you, because you have no friends, or life,
or job, or... just mommy and the basement.

Seriously?

Look at the fucking charts, you dumb ass redneck.

http://tinyurl.com/warmer-most-of-last-10-K-years

http://www.economicsjunkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/gisp-last-10000-
new.png

Naw... we ain't nebber had no tempture go up dat fayast.

Fucking truth denier.

I've posted THESE numerous times...

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... but you, being the "convenient" forgetting dodderer that you are,
pretend that NOTHING ever happened before 1850.

WHAT? That's the year that reliable GLOBAL TEMPERATURES started, but you
screeching idiots pretend to think that that's the year that ALL weather
history started. How convenient.

Little Ice Age: never happened. Why? Pre-1850

Minoan Warming Period: never happened. Why? Pre-1850.

Roman Warming Period: never happened. Why? Pre-1850.

Medieval Warming Period: never happened. Why? Pre-1850.

What a bunch of redneck and Aussie bogan bullshit.
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JTEM is right
2018-07-04 05:32:11 UTC
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Whiners, whining: but waaaaait... NASA and The NOAA sayssss that it's
nevvvvverrrr been warmer than now.
Last Saturday someone told me that the temperature
had never changed quite so fast ever, then when I
prodded him he admitted that temperatures changed
more, and more rapidly, at the start of the Little
Ice Age.

His conclusion never changed though. But, that's the
point of a good brain washing! The answers always
stay the same, no matter the question.




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Hillbilly Davis
2018-07-04 06:28:20 UTC
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On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 22:32:11 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is right says...
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His conclusion never changed though. But, that's the
point of a good brain washing! The answers always
stay the same, no matter the question.
Same EXACT thing with these idiot wingers, regarding the Trump/Russia
Collusion bullshit.

ZERO evidence, but they continue to act and talk like it's still a
foregone conclusion that he's guilty, but they can't and WON'T say what
he's guilty OF... just Russian collusion.

LOL

Bunch of mindless idiots, and what little minds they DO have, are bleached
out until totally washed.
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Bret Cahill
2018-07-04 05:58:45 UTC
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And it's sure being proven everywhere this week.
Global "warming", you know, that whole 1°C average global temperature
rise, we've experienced in the last 150 years, is NOTHING new.
When has it gone up that fast before?
<CIA>
<CAP>
Wally W.
2018-07-04 16:27:45 UTC
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And it's sure being proven everywhere this week.
Global "warming", you know, that whole 1°C average global temperature
rise, we've experienced in the last 150 years, is NOTHING new.
When has it gone up that fast before?
<CIA>
<CAP>
How do you know whether there are replies when you are doing this:


10 minutes LALALALA !

How can you even hear crickets then?

You didn't actually hear crickets, did you?

Looks like an uninformed denier.
Bret Cahill
2018-07-04 18:41:35 UTC
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And it's sure being proven everywhere this week.
Global "warming", you know, that whole 1°C average global temperature
rise, we've experienced in the last 150 years, is NOTHING new.
When has it gone up that fast before?
<CIA>
<CAP>
Wally W.
2018-07-04 19:28:23 UTC
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And it's sure being proven everywhere this week.
Global "warming", you know, that whole 1°C average global temperature
rise, we've experienced in the last 150 years, is NOTHING new.
When has it gone up that fast before?
<CIA>
<CAP>
Bret the denier thinks repetition makes it true?
Catoni
2018-07-04 19:28:40 UTC
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Global "warming", you know, that whole 1°C average global temperature
rise, we've experienced in the last 150 years, is NOTHING new.
When has it gone up that fast before?
<CIA>
Never studied the subject huh ? ? 1 degree C over 150 - 160 years is far, far, far from being fast. Actually.... . it's kind of on the slow side...

How would you feel about a 10 degree C change in just 10 or 20 years ? ?

Changes recorded in the climate of Greenland at the end of the Younger Dryas, about 11,500 years ago as measured by ice-cores, imply a sudden warming of +10 °C (+18 °F) within a timescale of a few years.

Other abrupt changes are the +4 °C (+7.2 °F) on Greenland 11,270 years ago[7] or the abrupt +6 °C (11 °F) warming 22,000 years ago on Antarctica.

There are many other examples...

References:

- Taylor, K.C.; White, J; Severinghaus, J; Brook, E; Mayewski, P; Alley, R; Steig, E; Spencer, M; Meyerson, E; Meese, D; Lamorey, G; Grachev, A; Gow, A; Barnett, B (January 2004). "Abrupt climate change around 22 ka on the Siple Coast of Antarctica". Quaternary Science Reviews. 23 (1–2): 7–15. Bibcode:2004QSRv...23....7T. doi:10.1016/j.quascirev.2003.09.004.

- Mora, C (2013). "The projected timing of climate departure from recent variability". Nature. 502: 183–187. Bibcode:2013Natur.502..183M. doi:10.1038/nature12540. PMID 24108050

Our good comrade Bret Cahill needs to study more. Back to school with him. .
Bret Cahill
2018-07-05 00:59:06 UTC
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Global "warming", you know, that whole 1°C average global temperature
rise, we've experienced in the last 150 years, is NOTHING new.
When has it gone up that fast before?
<CIA>
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Changes recorded in the climate of Greenland
Greenland is the global climate?

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R Kym Horsell
2018-07-05 01:50:08 UTC
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Global "warming", you know, that whole 1^0C average global temperature
rise, we've experienced in the last 150 years, is NOTHING new.
When has it gone up that fast before?
<CIA>
Changes recorded in the climate of Greenland
Greenland is the global climate?
<CIA>
No nubers sew yo no its a hillbilly refruns.
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2ky of Greenland CO2 record:

Cent Avg CO2 ppmv
11 280.7
12 283.6
13 282.5
14 282.0
15 280.8
16 281.7
17 276.1
18 278.1
<-- big diff
19 286.7
<-- big diff
20 309.8
Wally W.
2018-07-05 02:55:23 UTC
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Cent Avg CO2 ppmv
11 280.7
12 283.6
13 282.5
14 282.0
15 280.8
16 281.7
17 276.1
18 278.1
<-- big diff
19 286.7
<-- big diff
20 309.8
Big deal?
Catoni
2018-07-05 05:52:20 UTC
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Why not? You guys think that Australia or California or Europe is Global Climate when it fits your argument.
And you also feel that Greenland and Antarctica are Global Climate if a glacier is melting back someplace.

You morons really are so damn funny.

By the way, I could also use the Vostok Antarctic cores if you are interested. LOL 😂
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2018-07-05 05:55:15 UTC
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Bret thinks there was a huge Trump wall around Greenland for tens of thousands of years isolating it from the rest of the Earth’s atmosphere.
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2018-07-05 06:32:34 UTC
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And it's sure being proven everywhere this week.
Global "warming", you know, that whole 1°C average global temperature
rise, we've experienced in the last 150 years, is NOTHING new.
When has it gone up that fast before?
<CIA>
<CAP>
Hillbilly Davis
2018-07-06 04:40:50 UTC
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Post by Hillbilly Davis
And it's sure being proven everywhere this week.
Global "warming", you know, that whole 1°C average global temperature
rise, we've experienced in the last 150 years, is NOTHING new.
When has it gone up that fast before?
<CIA>
<CAP>
"On Wed, 4 Jul 2018 23:32:34 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill says"

<CAP>

Las tahme I sarr, Jooly thurd cames afo Jooly foath. Open your fucking
eyes, or quit begging for attention, mommy's boy.

"On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 23:16:21 -0500, Hillbilly Davis says... "

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It's "weather" when the temperatures don't agree with what climate
screechers have to say, and then it's climate change, when it does.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI

Australia Weather Bureau Caught Tampering With Climate Numbers

Climate Change Scientists Caught Tampering With Data to Show Rising Sea
Levels

"NOAA And NASA Corrected Historical Temperature Data And Fabricated
Temperature Data"

"NASA Made Efforts To Discredit Their Own Satellite Data"

"NASA Refused To Give Data And Information Requested By The US
House Of Representatives Science, Space And Technology Committee"

"NASA And NOAA Caught In Climate Data Manipulation"

"NASA Dramatically Altered US Temperatures After The Year 2000"

"Spectacularly Poor Climate Science At NASA"

"NASA/NOAA Mislead, Deceive and Lie About 'Hottest Year' Claim - Concede
2014 NOT "Hottest Year"

"Climate Fraud: NASA's Recent Global Warming "Corrections" Equal a +95.0°C
Per Century Trend"

https://www.google.com/#newwindow=1&q=noaa+nasa+caught

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UN Official Admits That Climate Change Used As A Ruse To Control The
World's Economy
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/diabolical-lie-called-climate-change-used-
un-promote-economic-agenda/
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"Unequal Distribution of Wealth and Power" Causes Climate Change
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/un-climate-summit-causes-of-
climate-change-unequal-distribution-of-wealth-and-power/
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U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to-
destroy-capitalism/
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Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-
admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/
*****
United Nations Official Admits the Purpose of the Global Warming Hoax is
to Destroy Capitalism
http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/donald-r-may/2015-02-
27/united-nations-official-admits-purpose-global-warming#.V-nGUOM1HmE
JTEM is right
2018-07-04 10:33:18 UTC
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For the record: *I* said that "Man Made
Global Warming" is fake. Even the numbers
claimed are less than the natural variation
seen throughout this interglacial, and the
time span they're claiming is way longer
than we can identify in the past.

There is absolutely NOTHING unprecedented
in their claims. Nothing.






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2018-07-04 12:12:25 UTC
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For the record: *I* said that "Man Made
Global Warming" is fake. Even the numbers
claimed are less than the natural variation
seen throughout this interglacial, and the
time span they're claiming is way longer
than we can identify in the past.
There is absolutely NOTHING unprecedented
in their claims. Nothing.
And for the record: *I* said just "global warming", without the "manmade",
on purpose. I KNOW that the Earth gets warmer and cooler through natural
variation.

THAT'S always been my contention... NATURAL warming. (that's why I call
these screechers "natural global warming and climate change deniers".

I asked, "WHO ever said 'Global Warming' wasn't real", without the
"manmade", because I have yet to hear ANYONE say that the Earth hasn't
warmed at all since 1850, and I put global warming in quotes because the
"warming" is so little, that they REALLY shouldn't call it warming anyway.

We know it HAS warmed a little, but not because of man. "We" JUST came out
of the Little Ice Age... the temperature had no where else to go BUT up...
back to more "normal" temps, BEFORE the LIA.

They conveniently "forget", that the temps were ALREADY going up, when the
"industrial revolution" was getting going.

These left wing basement dwellers have to always have something to piss
and moan about, since their lives are crap, and they were brainwashed into
thinking that big oil and coal HAD to be the bad guys, so they made this
bullshit up, to lay blame for something they KNOW happens every so often.

It really is a scam... take a naturally occurring event and link it to
something or someone you want to lose money and power. The funniest shit
about all this, is THEY think that left-wing environmental groups or
entities GET something if big oil loses.

[giggle]
Bret Cahill
2018-07-05 06:33:42 UTC
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Global "warming", you know, that whole 1°C average global temperature
rise, we've experienced in the last 150 years,
When have _global_ temps gone up that fast before?

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2018-07-06 13:41:51 UTC
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Global "warming", you know, that whole 1°C average global temperature
rise, we've experienced in the last 150 years,
..When have _global_ temps gone up that fast before?

According to uncorrected US statistics, the thirties were quite a bit warmer than present. The records for US temps before WWII still exist and have not been lost and destroyed.

CRU lost the hard copies and initial entries of computer code for world temperatures which could have been examined for modification.

They can only provide a corrected or modified version which cannot be analyzed for methodology or accuracy.

So we'll never know what the actual world temperature record was for before WWII, unless we simply trust them and their corrections. No science here.

The tree rings from the Ural Mountains show a DECLINE of temperatures of the 20th century. There is all kinds of direct evidence of CRU and IPCC atempting to HIDE this DECLINE in these proxies and there is no reason to trust their modifications of the temperature statistics for which they have lost the original data

If one goes through a continent to continent analysis, warming trend DOES NOT APPEAR anywhere except Europe and Western Australia from which 'average' temperature is boosted.

This along with falsification of pre-WWII statistics makes the deliberate fraud of global warming of 20th century.

But apparently these facts and the proof of greenie fraud and propaganda will only be determined in a valid courtroom.
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Global "warming", you know, that whole 1°C average global temperature
rise, we've experienced in the last 150 years,
..When have _global_ temps gone up that fast before?
According to uncorrected US statistics, the thirties were quite a bit warmer than present.
Deniers think "quite a bit" is science?

Deniers think the temperature in the 30s is a time rate of change?

Deniers think fossil fuels were only burned _after_ the 1930s?

Again, when in human history have global temperatures gone up at as fast a _rate_ as after the industrial revolution?

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Deniers think "quite a bit" is science?
Deniers think the temperature in the 30s is a time rate of change?
Deniers think fossil fuels were only burned _after_ the 1930s?
Again, when in human history have global temperatures gone up at as fast a _rate_ as after the industrial revolution?
How about the Roman Warm Period... the Minoan Warm Period... the Holocene Climate Optimum


Temperature have changed VERY fast in the past... Example....

11,000 years ago, our ancestors survived abrupt climate change... like nothing you have EVER seen... makes our present temperature increase seem like the speed of a turtle...

(CNN)Imagine if, instead of heat this summer, we were faced with a SUDDEN, dramatic cold front that lasted the next 100 years. That is what our hunter-gatherer ancestors lived through 11,000 years ago.

Findings from a Middle Stone Age site named Star Carr in North Yorkshire, England, show that our ancestors resiliently survived the century-long drop in temperature, according to a new study in the journal Nature Ecology & Evolution on Monday.

How they responded to such abrupt climate change could hold key insights for us as we face a different kind of climate change, the researchers said.

Ancient climate change

Paleoclimatologists, who study climates of the past, know that Earth's climate was not as stable for our ancestors as it has been for us.

These abrupt, harsh changes could mean life or death, often forcing whole populations to move if they wanted to survive.

For example, one well-studied event 8,200 years ago was a sudden cold shift that lasted over a century, recorded in Greenland ice cores and within the fossil record across Europe, the researchers said. It occurred when the North American ice sheet decayed after the last ice age and released meltwater into the North Atlantic Ocean, disrupting the currents that brought heat to Western Europe. This triggered large-scale population crashes in northern Britain and large cultural changes in southern Europe, they said.

In studying the Star Carr site, the researchers learned that two events there 9,300 and 11,100 years ago resulted in temperature decreases of 10 and 4 degrees Celsius.

"The population at Star Carr, some of the earliest people to recolonise Britain after the last ice age, must have been highly resilient to climate instability, capable of persevering and maintaining a stable society in spite of these environmental stresses," Ian Candy, study author and professor of geography at the Royal Holloway University of London's Centre for Quaternary Research, wrote in an email.

"These conclusions really change the way that we think about the interaction between prehistoric societies and climate change. The abrupt climatic events seen at Star Carr are as large, if not larger, in magnitude as the (event 8,200 years ago) and yet here we confidently show that the populations at Star Carr were resilient to the impact of such events.

"These hunter-gatherers had a lot of skills and knowledge of how to use the natural resources. They could make shelters and houses and hunt, fish and collect plant materials. It must have been a lot colder and harsher conditions to live in but they had structures and used fires to keep warm, and seem to have had access to animals such as red deer."

The climate change would have cooled both summer and winter temperatures. This also would've affected the landscape and caused it to be more unstable, pausing the development of the woodland environment the hunter-gatherers depended on.

During the first event, the site was populated on only a very small scale. The researchers have no way of knowing whether the climate change event was the cause of this.

But during the second event, Star Carr was a home to many hunter-gatherers, and despite the climate shift, they did not change their way of life or abandon the site. And according to the researchers, red deer -- which provided the people with skins, meat and other products -- would not have been affected by the temperature change, meaning the hunter-gatherers still had access to them.

Why Star Carr?

Star Carr has been a treasure trove for researchers from around the world since it was first excavated in the late 1940s. This site, at the edge of a former lake basin, includes the oldest evidence for carpentry in Europe: large wooden platforms made from wood worked with flint tools.

Eleven thousand years ago, it would've been open landscape made up of grasslands, shrub and woodlands.

It is also the site of the earliest evidence for built structures in Britain, including raised circular wooden structures thought to be houses. And rare artifacts, like a plentiful number of red deer antler headdresses and masks, are intriguing.
.
Bones, flints, shale beads and antler headdresses have been recovered at what would've been in the lake's edge of these former wetlands. The reed swamp would've been rich in plants and animals, before the standing water became more shallow and boggy.

The peat has helped preserve the artifacts, but it's deteriorating as the water table changes.
The researchers were assessing the damage done at the site due to these changes and racing to recover artifacts before they were lost, Candy said.

"At the moment this site remains unique because of the wealth of data found there," Candy wrote. "We have now found over 30 antler headdresses from the site -- there are no other sites in the UK where these have been found and only a few are known from a couple of sites in Germany: so they are extraordinarily rare. It is not often you find sites with this level of preservation -- usually only the stone tools survive -- and whilst stone tools can still tell us a lot about past lives, the organic remains provide a much more detailed picture."

The researchers discovered the detail of the climate change events by building a record of what happened at the site. Lake deposits, fossilized plants and animals, radiocarbon dating, ash from volcanic eruptions and other archaeological data allowed them to match the climate record alongside human activity at the site for the first time.
But they didn't find human bones, which leaves the researchers wondering how these hunter-gatherers dealt with their dead.

The findings at Star Carr change how the researchers look at hunter-gatherer populations.

"Generally it was thought that hunter gatherers were fairly mobile," Candy said. "We now know they built structures very early on after the end of the Ice Age, and that they were fairly settled.
"The antler headdresses are most intriguing. They seem to have been used and deposited in the shallow waters both during the climatic downturn and after it. We can't ever be sure what they were used for, but a lot of work has gone into making them and from ethnographic analogy one possibility is that they were used by shamans as part of their costumes."

Climate change, then and now

Resilient ancestors who could survive climate change events and cope with extremes sounds promising -- but there are other factors to consider when looking ahead to our own changing world, Candy said.

"The total population and the density of these prehistoric populations would have been tiny in comparison to Britain at the present day," Candy said. "Our current population puts a much greater pressure on the resources that we are reliant on, many of which will be effected by future climate change. Furthermore, the people of Star Carr were part of a tradition that had experienced dramatic climate shifts at the end of the last age, extreme climatic instability was part of their way of life. In contrast, our society has existed through many centuries or even millennia of stable climates, we have no experience of sudden large-scale change."

Whereas our ancestors lived through transformations of landscape and ecology, climate change would impact many more things that affect our daily life, said Sam White, history associate professor at The Ohio State University. White, who has written about environmental and climate history, was not affiliated with the new study.

"For our modern society, there are so many more people at risk and more vulnerabilities to consider: modern infrastructure and cities at risk of rising sea levels, agriculture unsuited for warmer seasons and more drought, moving disease vectors, lost biodiversity and ecosystem services, and so on," White wrote in an email. "It's good to hear stories of adaptation and resilience, and not just crisis and collapse. But we need to be cautious with either."

Mark Carey, a professor of history and environmental studies at the University of Oregon, pointed out that it's key to focus on the fact that societal change and climate change are a complex relationship, and that societal changes are not always in direct response to climate change.

"Such analyses of past climate-society dynamics can illuminate where and why problems emerged or successes occurred in response to abrupt climatic changes, such as this case at Star Carr," said Carey, who was not involved in the new research.

"The depth of archaeological and climatic evidence presented in this study takes us in a positive step to show how societies adjust in the face of abrupt climatic change. It also sets up the next level of research to probe decision making and cause-effect dynamics, allowing researchers to go beyond the correlation of events (climate change and societal change) and toward causal explanations for how and why societies persevere in the face of climate change."

Dagomar Degroot, professor of environmental history at Georgetown University and co-founder of the Climate History Network, is among the researchers finding evidence of resilience in the face of past climate change events.

"Studies of this kind show correlation much better than they reveal causation, so it's difficult to know how exactly the people of Star Carr successfully endured even the most extreme climate changes," wrote Degroot, who was not involved in the study, in an email. "Still, these dramatic results suggest that, in the wake of the great Ice Ages, past climate changes rarely determined the course of human history in a straightforward way. In my opinion, this article has great significance for our understanding of anthropogenic global warming."

Though climate change will play a major role in shaping our future, humans are also adaptive and capable of rapid solutions, Degroot said.

"With that said, vulnerability to climate change is about the scale and speed of climate change, on the one hand, and the characteristics of a society, on the other," he said. "In this last sense, our plight is most different from that of our ancestors at Star Carr. We live well beyond the carrying capacity of our planet, in ways the resilient inhabitants of Star Carr certainly didn't."

Only time will tell regarding our own future response to the various impacts of climate change.
"Whether we have the potential to show the same resilience to sudden extreme climate change as the people of Star Carr is yet to be tested," Candy said.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/26/health/climate-change-hunter-gatherers/index.html
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Deniers think "quite a bit" is science?
Deniers think the temperature in the 30s is a time rate of change?
Deniers think fossil fuels were only burned _after_ the 1930s?
Again, when in human history have global temperatures gone up at as fast a _rate_ as after the industrial revolution?
How about the Roman Warm Period... the Minoan Warm Period... the Holocene Climate Optimum
Temperature have changed VERY fast in the past... Example....
11,000 years ago, our ancestors survived abrupt climate change... like nothing you have EVER seen... makes our present temperature increase seem like the speed of a turtle...
(CNN)Imagine if, instead of heat this summer, we were faced with a SUDDEN, dramatic cold front that lasted the next 100 years. That is what our hunter-gatherer ancestors lived through 11,000 years ago.
AGW alarmism was invented by baby boomers, the generation with the
highest per capita narcissism: they think the world revolves around
them.

Their disciples/victims can't be expected to have any appreciation for
history.
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Findings from a Middle Stone Age site named Star Carr in North Yorkshire, England, show that our ancestors resiliently survived the century-long drop in temperature, according to a new study in the journal Nature Ecology & Evolution on Monday.
How they responded to such abrupt climate change could hold key insights for us as we face a different kind of climate change, the researchers said.
Ancient climate change
Paleoclimatologists, who study climates of the past, know that Earth's climate was not as stable for our ancestors as it has been for us.
These abrupt, harsh changes could mean life or death, often forcing whole populations to move if they wanted to survive.
For example, one well-studied event 8,200 years ago was a sudden cold shift that lasted over a century, recorded in Greenland ice cores and within the fossil record across Europe, the researchers said. It occurred when the North American ice sheet decayed after the last ice age and released meltwater into the North Atlantic Ocean, disrupting the currents that brought heat to Western Europe. This triggered large-scale population crashes in northern Britain and large cultural changes in southern Europe, they said.
In studying the Star Carr site, the researchers learned that two events there 9,300 and 11,100 years ago resulted in temperature decreases of 10 and 4 degrees Celsius.
"The population at Star Carr, some of the earliest people to recolonise Britain after the last ice age, must have been highly resilient to climate instability, capable of persevering and maintaining a stable society in spite of these environmental stresses," Ian Candy, study author and professor of geography at the Royal Holloway University of London's Centre for Quaternary Research, wrote in an email.
"These conclusions really change the way that we think about the interaction between prehistoric societies and climate change. The abrupt climatic events seen at Star Carr are as large, if not larger, in magnitude as the (event 8,200 years ago) and yet here we confidently show that the populations at Star Carr were resilient to the impact of such events.
"These hunter-gatherers had a lot of skills and knowledge of how to use the natural resources. They could make shelters and houses and hunt, fish and collect plant materials. It must have been a lot colder and harsher conditions to live in but they had structures and used fires to keep warm, and seem to have had access to animals such as red deer."
The climate change would have cooled both summer and winter temperatures. This also would've affected the landscape and caused it to be more unstable, pausing the development of the woodland environment the hunter-gatherers depended on.
During the first event, the site was populated on only a very small scale. The researchers have no way of knowing whether the climate change event was the cause of this.
But during the second event, Star Carr was a home to many hunter-gatherers, and despite the climate shift, they did not change their way of life or abandon the site. And according to the researchers, red deer -- which provided the people with skins, meat and other products -- would not have been affected by the temperature change, meaning the hunter-gatherers still had access to them.
Why Star Carr?
Star Carr has been a treasure trove for researchers from around the world since it was first excavated in the late 1940s. This site, at the edge of a former lake basin, includes the oldest evidence for carpentry in Europe: large wooden platforms made from wood worked with flint tools.
Eleven thousand years ago, it would've been open landscape made up of grasslands, shrub and woodlands.
It is also the site of the earliest evidence for built structures in Britain, including raised circular wooden structures thought to be houses. And rare artifacts, like a plentiful number of red deer antler headdresses and masks, are intriguing.
.
Bones, flints, shale beads and antler headdresses have been recovered at what would've been in the lake's edge of these former wetlands. The reed swamp would've been rich in plants and animals, before the standing water became more shallow and boggy.
The peat has helped preserve the artifacts, but it's deteriorating as the water table changes.
The researchers were assessing the damage done at the site due to these changes and racing to recover artifacts before they were lost, Candy said.
"At the moment this site remains unique because of the wealth of data found there," Candy wrote. "We have now found over 30 antler headdresses from the site -- there are no other sites in the UK where these have been found and only a few are known from a couple of sites in Germany: so they are extraordinarily rare. It is not often you find sites with this level of preservation -- usually only the stone tools survive -- and whilst stone tools can still tell us a lot about past lives, the organic remains provide a much more detailed picture."
The researchers discovered the detail of the climate change events by building a record of what happened at the site. Lake deposits, fossilized plants and animals, radiocarbon dating, ash from volcanic eruptions and other archaeological data allowed them to match the climate record alongside human activity at the site for the first time.
But they didn't find human bones, which leaves the researchers wondering how these hunter-gatherers dealt with their dead.
The findings at Star Carr change how the researchers look at hunter-gatherer populations.
"Generally it was thought that hunter gatherers were fairly mobile," Candy said. "We now know they built structures very early on after the end of the Ice Age, and that they were fairly settled.
"The antler headdresses are most intriguing. They seem to have been used and deposited in the shallow waters both during the climatic downturn and after it. We can't ever be sure what they were used for, but a lot of work has gone into making them and from ethnographic analogy one possibility is that they were used by shamans as part of their costumes."
Climate change, then and now
Resilient ancestors who could survive climate change events and cope with extremes sounds promising -- but there are other factors to consider when looking ahead to our own changing world, Candy said.
"The total population and the density of these prehistoric populations would have been tiny in comparison to Britain at the present day," Candy said. "Our current population puts a much greater pressure on the resources that we are reliant on, many of which will be effected by future climate change. Furthermore, the people of Star Carr were part of a tradition that had experienced dramatic climate shifts at the end of the last age, extreme climatic instability was part of their way of life. In contrast, our society has existed through many centuries or even millennia of stable climates, we have no experience of sudden large-scale change."
Whereas our ancestors lived through transformations of landscape and ecology, climate change would impact many more things that affect our daily life, said Sam White, history associate professor at The Ohio State University. White, who has written about environmental and climate history, was not affiliated with the new study.
"For our modern society, there are so many more people at risk and more vulnerabilities to consider: modern infrastructure and cities at risk of rising sea levels, agriculture unsuited for warmer seasons and more drought, moving disease vectors, lost biodiversity and ecosystem services, and so on," White wrote in an email. "It's good to hear stories of adaptation and resilience, and not just crisis and collapse. But we need to be cautious with either."
Mark Carey, a professor of history and environmental studies at the University of Oregon, pointed out that it's key to focus on the fact that societal change and climate change are a complex relationship, and that societal changes are not always in direct response to climate change.
"Such analyses of past climate-society dynamics can illuminate where and why problems emerged or successes occurred in response to abrupt climatic changes, such as this case at Star Carr," said Carey, who was not involved in the new research.
"The depth of archaeological and climatic evidence presented in this study takes us in a positive step to show how societies adjust in the face of abrupt climatic change. It also sets up the next level of research to probe decision making and cause-effect dynamics, allowing researchers to go beyond the correlation of events (climate change and societal change) and toward causal explanations for how and why societies persevere in the face of climate change."
Dagomar Degroot, professor of environmental history at Georgetown University and co-founder of the Climate History Network, is among the researchers finding evidence of resilience in the face of past climate change events.
"Studies of this kind show correlation much better than they reveal causation, so it's difficult to know how exactly the people of Star Carr successfully endured even the most extreme climate changes," wrote Degroot, who was not involved in the study, in an email. "Still, these dramatic results suggest that, in the wake of the great Ice Ages, past climate changes rarely determined the course of human history in a straightforward way. In my opinion, this article has great significance for our understanding of anthropogenic global warming."
Though climate change will play a major role in shaping our future, humans are also adaptive and capable of rapid solutions, Degroot said.
"With that said, vulnerability to climate change is about the scale and speed of climate change, on the one hand, and the characteristics of a society, on the other," he said. "In this last sense, our plight is most different from that of our ancestors at Star Carr. We live well beyond the carrying capacity of our planet, in ways the resilient inhabitants of Star Carr certainly didn't."
Only time will tell regarding our own future response to the various impacts of climate change.
"Whether we have the potential to show the same resilience to sudden extreme climate change as the people of Star Carr is yet to be tested," Candy said.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/26/health/climate-change-hunter-gatherers/index.html
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Temperature have changed VERY fast in the past
Deniers tink "very fast" is a nubber?

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11,000 years ago, our ancestors survived abrupt climate change
Deniers think "abrupt" is a nubber?
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like nothing you have EVER seen
Deniers tink "like nothing you have EVER seen" is a nubber?

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makes our present temperature increase seem like the speed of a turtle
Deniers tink there's a way to compare the speed of a turtle to the time rate of change of climate?

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Temperature have changed VERY fast in the past
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11,000 years ago, our ancestors survived abrupt climate change
Deniers think "abrupt" is a nubber?
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like nothing you have EVER seen
Deniers tink "like nothing you have EVER seen" is a nubber?
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makes our present temperature increase seem like the speed of a turtle
Deniers tink there's a way to compare the speed of a turtle to the time rate of change of climate?
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Hillbillies think mindless waffle is a big number.
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[Hold onto your hats, folks, this is climate changes that
makes 1C per century look like a turtle and like nothing you EBA seed!]

2000 years of Greenland temperature
(Arc-BrayaS.DAndrea.2011.txt via PAGES2K):

Local temps from lake sedaments:

Cent Av Temp
(deg C)

0 -0.6725
1 -0.6068
2 -0.6103
3 -0.6457
4 -0.6540
5 -0.6508
6 -0.6513
7 -0.6471
8 -0.6387
9 -0.6350
10 -0.6320
11 -0.6323
12 -0.6332
13 -0.6320
14 -0.6296
15 -0.6293
16 -0.6319
17 -0.6287
18 -0.6273
19 -0.6263

\beta == 0.14 +- .05 deg C/cent
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Cent Av Temp
(deg C)
0 -0.6725
1 -0.6068
2 -0.6103
3 -0.6457
4 -0.6540
5 -0.6508
6 -0.6513
7 -0.6471
8 -0.6387
9 -0.6350
10 -0.6320
11 -0.6323
12 -0.6332
13 -0.6320
14 -0.6296
15 -0.6293
16 -0.6319
17 -0.6287
18 -0.6273
19 -0.6263
\beta == 0.14 +- .05 deg C/cent
To the fourth decimal point....

PRICELESS ! ! LOL 5555555 ;)
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...
[Hold onto your hats, folks, this is climate changes that
makes 1C per century look like a turtle and like nothing you EBA seed!]
2000 years of Greenland temperature
Cent Av Temp
(deg C)
0 -0.6725
1 -0.6068
2 -0.6103
3 -0.6457
4 -0.6540
...
Amusingly, if hillbillies try their usual round-to-nearest-integer operation
they discover there has been no noticeable change in Greenland
over the past 2000y, somewhat contradicting their previous guff over
the past 2 weeks.

Tsk tsk tsk.

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China Tariff Escalation Would Hit These 10 US Seaports And Airports ...
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to still be escalating ...

Al Jazeera Weather @AJEWeather 07 Jul 2018 14:13Z
More than 30 people are killed as torrential rains continue to plague Japan.

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caused flooding and landslides across much of western Japan.
* In Motoyama, near Tokyo, 583 millimetres of rain fell between Friday and
Saturday morning
* Heavy rains are expected to continue through Sunday
* 48,000 police, firefighters and Self-Defence Force personnel have
responded to calls for help
Hiroshima Prefecture was hit the hardest with numerous landslides that
killed at least 15 people and authorities have warned that the death toll
will continue to rise.
Many of the dead had ignored evacuation orders, choosing to stay in their
homes despite warnings.
Almost 5 million people have been told to evacuate as homes have been
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North Korea says talks with Pompeo were 'regrettable'
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and landslides in several residential areas, killing dozens and triggering
weather warnings in four districts of the country....
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Climate Signals @ClimateSignals 07 Jul 2018 19:25Z
Historic heat wave in southern California where all-time heat records have
toppled. Rapid attribution analysis finds climate change increased the
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were a basketball team and their coach have been trapped for more than
a wk. With rainfall threatening to undo days of pumping aiming at
drying out 4 km of sometimes narrow passageway to allow the trapped
people to escape, it's suspected a rescue attempt is about to shift
into high gear. In local news it's being reported the boys have been
moved via a dried-out tunnel to another area from where they may be
rescued in the next day or 2. British scuba divers have been teaching
some of the children how to use full-face masks, although other experts
say diving them out is the most dangerous option. Elsewhere, dozens of
shafts have been drilled down 100s of m from the top of the mountain
in another attempt to get air to the trapped group or create a back
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Us carbon users have determined that your bitching and whining about co2, climate and DOOMSDAY SCENARIO can be hazardous to your health.
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The quantities of co2 emitted before the thirties are minimal to atmospheric levels, the natural exchange of partial pressure or vapor pressure between air and ocean and natural co2 from decay etc.

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Liquids and solids share what is called 'vapor pressure'.
A gas may have a certain percentage of another gas. These percentages are called 'partial pressure'.

A gas mixture in the presence of a liquid, some of the gas molecules will strike the surface of the liquid and be absorbed into the liquid, This increases the concentrations of the dissolved gas in the liquid.

Some of the gas molecules in the liquid will come to the surface and escape the liquid. As density of dissolved gas molecules increases, nuumber of molecules escaping increases until an equilibrium is achieved.

The ocean absorbs around 200 billion tons per yr of co2 from the atmosphere. Around 200 billion tons per yr is released from the ocean to the atmosphere each yr in the equilibrium that is achieved.

It is the diffusiom of co2 from the ocean that controls atmospheric concentrations and fluctuations.

The empirical facts indicate that human input is negligible to any effect on atmospheric concentrations or fluctuations, and certainly not thr driver.

Everything decays to co2. Aerobic bacteria produce co2. Anaerobic bacteria produce methane. In the presence of oxygen, methane naturally oxidizes into co2 and water vapor.

The quantities of co2 from decay and diffusion of carbon dioxide from the ocean, from the narural process of co2 from oxidation of carbon in the ocean, completly dwarfs human output of co2, especially in the 20s and 30s.

Plants would eat all co2 out of the atmosphere. But for the replenishment. Which they nearly do anyway.

Probably most predominant in this are thr phytoplankton in the ocean, and algae. Petroleum is from masive algae quantities deposited to the bottom of ancient oceans.
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1ppm is 7.8 billion tons of co2 in the atmosphere.
So if atmospheric co2 increases 2ppm, this is increasing atmospssjeric co2 by 15.6 billion tons.
Human output is now around 50 bi)ion tons.

The atmospheric increase is limear and does not match the exponential increase in human emmisions.

Reducing human emissions will not affect rising atmospheric rise.
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This graph from S pole station shows a rise between 1967 and 2007, from 320ppm to 380ppm.

This is 1.5 ppm per yr on a nearly linear slope.
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The solar constant, or density of solar radiation at earths orbital radius is 1368Wm-2.

On the moon and ISS, this is the energy of solar radiation.
It is about 50% in the visible, 41% in the infrared, and about 9% in the ultraviolet.

After passing through the atmosphere to the surface or top of the troposphere, it is only about 950Wm-2 as this recording from a solar observatory shows.

The red line shows thr sun rising. The angle to the surface decreases. It peaks about 950Wm-2. Then spotty clouds move in. Then the sun sets. It seems there may be clouds around near sunset.

This absorption of around 400Wm-2 by the gases of the stratosphere is completely ignored by greenie theory. Nowhere can one find reference to this most elementary fact.

Almost all the energy obsorbed is of the infrared, which at these lower frequncies is absorbed and radiated molecule to molecule, and does not pass freely through the air like visible light frequencies.

It is incompatible with contemporary theory.

There is actually no excuse for this other than to promote the fraud of AGW with a falsified and ridiculous thermodynamic outlay.

And deliberate ommision and avoidance of basic empirical science.
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...Hillbillies think mindless waffle is a big number.
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In the cold period of the little ice age, the Greenland glaciers advanced. This ended abruptly in the early 1800s.

At that point, before industrialization or any possible humaan impact, these glaciers and other glaciers began to receed.

Most Greenland glaciers were melted back to land by the 1930s. No possibility at all this caused by human activity.

The Greenland glaciers receeded so much in the mediaeval warm period that Vikings named it 'Greenland'. And settled there and journeyed to N America. This Historically documented temperature fluctuation not relying on proxies.

N Canada they named 'Vinland' for the lush vegetation and grapes. There is evixence they grew wheat and grapes in Greenland and Iceland, which shows how much warmer temperatures were in the MWP in the N Atlantic.

When more normal temperatures and cold returned,.their settlements disappeared. Being totally covered in ice, this very large continent only has about 50,000 people living there now.
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...> According to uncorrected US statistics, the thirties were quite a bit warmer than present.

Deniers think "quite a bit" is science?
......

I cant put a quantification on this right now, but it is considerable in purely US uncorrected statistics. Which were taken at a relatively good level of standardization before WWII.

What is NOT science, is going by the statistics given us by CRU, for which they destroyed their hard copies, and lost the initial entries in the computer code. These entries could have been analyzed for modification from original entry.

The corrections are not science and can be as much as 5degC without clear scientific methodology.

If this were US Federal court, more exact documentation could be produced, along with looking at only the last half of he 20th century to produce the seditious and false propaganda that any global warming trend, anthropogenic or not, exist in either corrected OR uncorrected statistics.
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...Deniers think fossil fuels were only burned _after_ the 1930s?

...According to your clairvoyant godfather, J Hansen, who got his doctorate with the thesis that the high temperatures of Venus are caused by dust particles trapping microwaves and particular properties of co2 play NO ROLE in the thermodynamics of Venus, (sounds like some serious denierism),

He thinks methane is such a powerful GHG, that methane from human cultivation of rice 5000yrs may be the cause of the extended inter-glacial period and the averting of an ice age.

The quantities of co2 emitted before the thirties are minimal to atmospheric levels, the natural exchange of partial pressure or vapor pressure between air and ocean and natural co2 from decay etc.

No correlation to human emissions and atmospheric concentrations can be shown. Fact is plants eat all the co2 frpm the air. It is only the carbon in the ocean and its diffusion to the surface and atmosphere that affects atmospheric concentrations. There are massive amounts of carbon at the bottom of the ocean with little oxygen.

Carbon compounds oxidize naturally in the presence of oxygen, achieving a higher oxidation with the oxygen.

Methane oxidizes in the atmosphere in 10-12.yrs, and does not accumulate in the atmosphere.

But none of this matters anymore. The greenies have settled on a direct overall quantity to temperature scale that does not need to consider atmospheric concentrations.

So they can sell their bogus little chunks of temperature to the politicians at the Paris Conference.

Whats the latest figures on how much we can emit before,,,
DOOMSDAY SCENARIO?

Whats the matter? Dont even know your own basic science of this most important threat and emergency for civilization?
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