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Extreme Droughts Allays Killin Horses! Why, Back In the Big Banglocene There Were No Live Horses!
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Bret Cahill
2018-05-05 16:28:03 UTC
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CAMERON, Ariz. (AP) — More than 100 horses found dead this week at a muddy watering hole in northern Arizona are being buried at the site.

The stock pond in the Navajo Nation community of Gray Mountain had been a reliable source of water for animals over the years.

But as drought worsened, it began drying up earlier and earlier, and trapped the animals.

Tribal officials say they counted at least 118 dead horses and two cows this week.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/horses-trapped-muddy-northern-arizona-pond-buried-213727113.html
Byker
2018-05-05 18:17:31 UTC
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CAMERON, Ariz. (AP) — More than 100 horses found dead this week at a muddy
watering hole in northern Arizona are being buried at the site.
The stock pond in the Navajo Nation community of Gray Mountain had been a
reliable source of water for animals over the years.
But as drought worsened, it began drying up earlier and earlier, and trapped the animals.
Tribal officials say they counted at least 118 dead horses and two cows this week.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/horses-trapped-muddy-northern-arizona-pond-buried-213727113.html
Horses are an "exotic" species that didn't exist in the New World until
Europeans introduced them in the 16th Century. The same goes for bovines...
Kym Horsell
2018-05-05 18:24:58 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
CAMERON, Ariz. (AP) — More than 100 horses found dead this week at a muddy
watering hole in northern Arizona are being buried at the site.
The stock pond in the Navajo Nation community of Gray Mountain had been a
reliable source of water for animals over the years.
But as drought worsened, it began drying up earlier and earlier, and
trapped the animals.
Tribal officials say they counted at least 118 dead horses and two cows this week.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/horses-trapped-muddy-northern-arizona-pond-buried-213727113.html
Horses are an "exotic" species that didn't exist in the New World until
Europeans introduced them in the 16th Century. The same goes for bovines...
LOL. Same goes for Europeans.
Byker
2018-05-06 16:34:40 UTC
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Horses are an "exotic" species that didn't exist in the New World until
Europeans introduced them in the 16th Century. The same goes for bovines...
LOL. Same goes for Europeans.
Or Injuns, for that matter. I mean they didn't EVOLVE here...
#BeamMeUpScotty
2018-05-07 16:40:07 UTC
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Horses are an "exotic" species that didn't exist in the New World
until Europeans introduced them in the 16th Century. The same goes
for bovines...
LOL. Same goes for Europeans.
Or Injuns, for that matter. I mean they didn't EVOLVE here...
Native Americans were an invasive species?
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Byker
2018-05-07 17:56:22 UTC
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Native Americans were an invasive species?
It's worth noting that the great megafauna extinction seems to coincide with
the arrival of humans:

https://www.quora.com/Did-humans-kill-off-megafauna

https://www.livescience.com/46081-humans-megafauna-extinction.html

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/mar/15/what-killed-giant-beasts-mammoths-climate-change-or-man

And in the Land Down Under, their great beasts didn't last long after the
Abos and their dogs (dingos) arrived: https://tinyurl.com/ydxtyd92
JTEM is right
2018-05-07 21:05:43 UTC
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It's worth noting that the great megafauna extinction seems to coincide with
Actually, there's two problems with this theory. The
first & most obvious is that mega fauna didn't vanish,
only some of it vanished. Mammoths clung on until
historical times, in isolation, over in Siberia, and
of course Elephants survive even today.

...The North African elephant, the Syrian
Elephant & the dwarf Mediterranean elephants only
went extinct in historical times.

Secondly, the very last layer in which north American
mega fauna AND the last of the human Clovis Culture
are both found beneath what is called the "Black Mat,"
marking the start of the Younger Dryas cooling.

http://www.pnas.org/content/105/18/6520

Combined, these two facts suggest that human activity
was not the critical factor. The catastrophic change
in climate which was the Younger Dryas cooling likely
placed great pressures on the mega fauna, reducing
their habitat. Add to that desperate humans, themselves
going extinct as a result of the same catastrophe,
trying to keep themselves fed....

But, in the end, both the mega fauna and the human
"Clovis Culture" went extinct.




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Byker
2018-05-07 22:53:41 UTC
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...The North African elephant, the Syrian Elephant & the dwarf
Mediterranean elephants only went extinct in historical times.
Secondly, the very last layer in which north American mega fauna AND the
last of the human Clovis Culture are both found beneath what is called the
"Black Mat," marking the start of the Younger Dryas cooling.
http://www.pnas.org/content/105/18/6520
Hmm, another errant asteroid to account for? https://tinyurl.com/ybtw989y






JTEM is right
2018-05-08 02:16:22 UTC
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Secondly, the very last layer in which north American mega fauna AND the
last of the human Clovis Culture are both found beneath what is called the
"Black Mat," marking the start of the Younger Dryas cooling.
http://www.pnas.org/content/105/18/6520
Hmm, another errant asteroid to account for? https://tinyurl.com/ybtw989y
The famous "Tunguska event of 1908" left no crater.

It's likely that a meteorite made of rock (non metallic) or
a comet would explode in the atmosphere, leaving no
crater. This is the case in the famous Tunguska event, in
Siberia. I myself now favor the object from space, as what
hard evidence there is seems to rule out the "Ice Dam"
theory, and a super volcanic eruption should be easy to
find.

You'd be right in that none of this rules out a human
contribution. Remember, the humans would have been
placed under as much stress by the Younger Dryas event
as any other species. And we all know damn well that
the Clovis people were not going to go into their
extinction willingly. They would have done anything
they could to sustain themselves, including killing
every last Mammoth/etc.

But, in the end, the Clovis people went extinct along
with the mega fauna.

THE COLD KILLED THEM ALL.





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Byker
2018-05-08 22:06:43 UTC
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But, in the end, the Clovis people went extinct along with the mega fauna.
The Abos survived, but their megafauna didn't:
http://youtu.be/OJDrOmPXzJs

The used to be huge flightless birds called Moas in New Zealand. The Māori
arrived sometime before 1300, and all moa genera were soon driven to
extinction by hunting and, to a lesser extent, by habitat reduction due to
forest clearance. "By 1445, all moa had become extinct, along with the
Haast's eagle which had relied on them for food. Recent research using
carbon-14 dating of middens strongly suggests that the events leading to
extinction took less than a hundred years."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moa

https://beta.capeia.com/paleobiology/2017/12/13/the-late-survival-of-madagascars-megafauna

Sure is an odd coincidence that megafauna extinctions soon follow after the
arrival of humans: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14142

Looks like Homo Sapiens gave the final shove to species that otherwise might
have bounced back from ice age stresses...
JTEM is right
2018-05-09 04:35:22 UTC
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http://youtu.be/OJDrOmPXzJs
Humans absolutely-positively have caused the
extinction of megafauna, but in the case of
North America it's likely that humans were the
lesser factor, as the human culture went
extinct as well.

It's also important to note that the Younger
Dryas cooling either missed Australia, or was
too brief to register much of an impact.
Post by Byker
The used to be huge flightless birds called Moas in New Zealand. The Māori
arrived sometime before 1300, and all moa genera were soon driven to
extinction by hunting and, to a lesser extent, by habitat reduction due to
forest clearance. "By 1445, all moa had become extinct, along with the
Haast's eagle which had relied on them for food. Recent research using
carbon-14 dating of middens strongly suggests that the events leading to
extinction took less than a hundred years."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moa
Yup. But in North America, Clovis Culture -- the
people -- went extinct at the same time as the
megafauna. It's too unlikely that this is a
coincidence.
Post by Byker
Sure is an odd coincidence that megafauna extinctions soon follow after the
arrival of humans
There's plenty of Megafauna alive right now.

Here's an interesting "Cite," though it seems
to believe that the various Asian Elephant &
horse (etc) populations don't exist...

https://owlcation.com/stem/The-African-Megafauna
Post by Byker
Looks like Homo Sapiens gave the final shove to species
that otherwise might have bounced back from ice age stresses...
The North African & Syrian Elephants only went
extinct in Roman times...

The Mao went extinct only like 600 years ago,
many thousands of years after the end of the
last glacial period.

Nobody is denying that humans cause extinction.
Nobody is denying the possibility that humans
played a role in the extinction of the North
America Megafauna. But, there were other factors,
and absent those other factors much of the
Megafauna would likely have survived into
historic times.





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Byker
2018-05-09 04:57:35 UTC
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Nobody is denying that humans cause extinction.
Nobody is denying the possibility that humans
played a role in the extinction of the North
America Megafauna. But, there were other factors,
and absent those other factors much of the
Megafauna would likely have survived into historic times.
A few links regarding the "Black Mat":

http://youtu.be/pDszUtysna8

http://youtu.be/npXY8mu2hhU

Younger Dryas came to mind after the 2013 Chelyabinsk "event":


Byker
2018-05-08 14:18:20 UTC
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Bugger off, septic Yank troll!
It would be politically incorrect to blame it on the boongs:


Byker
2018-05-08 23:58:46 UTC
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Bugger off, septic Yank troll!
I second that motion!
No comments from the Peanut Gallery, now: https://tinyurl.com/y97rcp4f
Byker
2018-05-08 14:19:06 UTC
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Bugger off, septic Yank troll!
It wouldn't it be politically incorrect to blame it on the boongs?:

http://youtu.be/OJDrOmPXzJs
Byker
2018-05-08 23:59:00 UTC
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Bugger off, extremist septic Yank troll!
Franz and friends in their native habitat: https://tinyurl.com/y7qqsbwy
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