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Low Oil Prices Help Carbon Abatement
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Bret Cahill
2014-11-29 19:32:01 UTC
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1. Market forces from low carbon prices works to reduce costs of info driven technologies like solar PV, fusion, graphene battery and materials science where game changing breakthroughs are so common they are now the new normal. This is not true in geo extraction where technology is now well settled. Oil prices ain't gonna drop from better drilling mud or coal prices from a better excavator.

2. Tax hikes on carbon fuel becomes politically possible.

3. Transportation costs for solar and wind projects drop.

4. Petro chemicals in wind turbines become cheaper.


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Paul Aubrin
2014-11-30 06:47:09 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
1. Market forces from low carbon prices works to reduce costs of info
driven technologies like solar PV, fusion, graphene battery and
materials science where game changing breakthroughs are so common they
are now the new normal. This is not true in geo extraction where
technology is now well settled. Oil prices ain't gonna drop from better
drilling mud or coal prices from a better excavator.
Where do you buy your graphene batteries?
Bret Cahill
2014-11-30 21:23:42 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
1. Market forces from low carbon prices works to reduce costs of info
driven technologies like solar PV, fusion, graphene battery and
materials science where game changing breakthroughs are so common they
are now the new normal. This is not true in geo extraction where
technology is now well settled. Oil prices ain't gonna drop from better
drilling mud or coal prices from a better excavator.
Where do you buy your graphene batteries?
No one doubts that there will be more breakthroughs in renewables.

Everyone knows that carbon extraction is on a tech dead end.

Anyway, the denier has dodged the issue:

Market forces from low carbon prices works to reduce costs of info driven technologies
Paul Aubrin
2014-12-02 19:52:29 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
1. Market forces from low carbon prices works to reduce costs of
info driven technologies like solar PV, fusion, graphene battery and
materials science where game changing breakthroughs are so common
they are now the new normal. This is not true in geo extraction
where technology is now well settled. Oil prices ain't gonna drop
from better drilling mud or coal prices from a better excavator.
Where do you buy your graphene batteries?
No one doubts that there will be more breakthroughs in renewables.
Where do you buy your graphene batteries?
BeamMeUpScotty
2014-12-02 21:12:38 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
1. Market forces from low carbon prices works to reduce costs of
info driven technologies like solar PV, fusion, graphene battery and
materials science where game changing breakthroughs are so common
they are now the new normal. This is not true in geo extraction
where technology is now well settled. Oil prices ain't gonna drop
from better drilling mud or coal prices from a better excavator.
That's what was said 30 years ago and then they drilled deeper and 20
years later they started fracking and gas is cheaper and in a few years
they'll discover a newer idea to find and extract fossil fuels.
There's always something new.
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2014-12-03 01:07:54 UTC
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thou neglectest the real problem
;what is the sustainable rate of oil production
(biosedimentation, initially
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That's what was said 30 years ago and then they drilled deeper and 20
years later they started fracking and gas is cheaper and in a few years
they'll discover a newer idea to find and extract fossil fuels.
There's always something new.
--
*Rumination*
#12 - It's what you learn, after you know it all, that counts.
Super Turtle
2014-11-30 22:42:13 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
1. Market forces from low carbon prices works to reduce costs of info
driven technologies like solar PV
So we have cheaper affordable carbon based fuels, and that going to reduce
consuming of those fuels?

Ok, what hospital did you receiving your day pass from to be let out for a
day to make such a stupid post here?
Post by Bret Cahill
3. Transportation costs for solar and wind projects drop.
As if transportation costs are a big deal over the lifetime of such
installing + building. Ho`wever, cheaper carbon fuels DOES in fact help for
CONSUMABLES

So CONSUMABLES benefit far more. So things like lowering the cost fuel means
cheaper food (both the fuel used to transport the food, but MORE important
the fuel costs in growing the food - including energy costs of pumping
water). And the fertilizers also are much effected by fuel costs.
Post by Bret Cahill
4. Petro chemicals in wind turbines become cheaper.
And again, what % cost do carbon fuel represent over the life time of these
nutty wind mills?

Hint: the Dutch did see a technology boom by adoption wind power, but the
British on-upped them by using coal which gave them even more energy at a
cheaper cost.

We did not see Britain adopt coal, and THEN see more expensive technologies
like wind power crop up in the Netherlands - it works the opposite as you
are proposing here.

It sounds like you rather passed off at the Germans embarking on their
largest coal power building spree since WWII, and now you seem EVEN MORE
desperate over the falling fuel prices will will ONLY SERVE to increase
consuming of that product.

With lower cost fuel and energy, then the whacky alternatives you talk about
WILL NOT OCCUR!

The fact you can point out a few benefits to some "green" industry by them
using lower fuel costs (how funny!), but the OVERALL effect is this KILLS
BIG TIME ANY CHANCE of these more expensive alternative energy systems being
adopted.

This simply means a consumer boom in adoption and using fossil fuels will
occur. I applaud your "desperate" efforts to put a happy face on this turn
of events, but at the end of the day, your grasping sounds like a rodeo
clown who just lost another round.

Cheap lower cost oil = the green shit you propose does not have a hope in
hell.


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gordo
2014-12-01 05:48:33 UTC
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:42:13 -0700, "Super Turtle"
<***@greenpiece.com> wrote:
snip for a close look at what is below.
Post by Super Turtle
Cheap lower cost oil = the green shit you propose does not have a hope in
hell.
When you disagree with an idea you call it green shit.I am not sure
what your mean by green but I do know the general context of green as
being a forest, deep pools, maybe life. I also know what shit means.
It is the product of food and makes possible life on earth. As to hell
it is a figament of your imagination.

The low cost of oil is the best time to bring in a carbon tax.
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Super Turtle
Wally W.
2014-12-01 11:29:46 UTC
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Post by gordo
On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:42:13 -0700, "Super Turtle"
snip for a close look at what is below.
Post by Super Turtle
Cheap lower cost oil = the green shit you propose does not have a hope in
hell.
When you disagree with an idea you call it green shit.I am not sure
what your mean by green but I do know the general context of green as
being a forest, deep pools, maybe life. I also know what shit means.
It is the product of food and makes possible life on earth. As to hell
it is a figament of your imagination.
The low cost of oil is the best time to bring in a carbon tax.
For what purpose?

Domesticating animals was the first way to amplify human muscle power.

Fossil fuels have been another way to do that: after people tried
harnessing sunshine and breeze.

The use of fossil fuels has allowed civilization to progress at an
impressive rate.

Now you want to put the brakes on with a carbon tax.

Why?!

There is never a good time for a carbon tax.

http://www.globalwarming.org/2012/02/07/the-great-delusion/#more-12926
"In centuries hence the global warming boogey man will be seen for
exactly what it is -- The Great Delusion. Future generations will
wonder how so many people could have believed something so suicidally
ridiculous."
gordo
2014-12-01 21:41:39 UTC
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:42:13 -0700, "Super Turtle"
snip for a close look at what is below.
Post by Super Turtle
Cheap lower cost oil = the green shit you propose does not have a hope in
hell.
When you disagree with an idea you call it green shit.I am not sure
what your mean by green but I do know the general context of green as
being a forest, deep pools, maybe life. I also know what shit means.
It is the product of food and makes possible life on earth. As to hell
it is a figament of your imagination.
The low cost of oil is the best time to bring in a carbon tax.
For what purpose?
Domesticating animals was the first way to amplify human muscle power.
Fossil fuels have been another way to do that: after people tried
harnessing sunshine and breeze.
The use of fossil fuels has allowed civilization to progress at an
impressive rate.
Now you want to put the brakes on with a carbon tax.
Why?!
Why do you want to see the end of life on earth?
Post by Wally W.
There is never a good time for a carbon tax.
http://www.globalwarming.org/2012/02/07/the-great-delusion/#more-12926
"In centuries hence the global warming boogey man will be seen for
exactly what it is -- The Great Delusion. Future generations will
wonder how so many people could have believed something so suicidally
ridiculous."
Chom Noamsky
2014-12-01 22:22:41 UTC
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Why do you want to see the end of life on earth?
Who told you life on earth was ending, and why did you take it seriously?
gordo
2014-12-02 05:00:01 UTC
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Post by gordo
Why do you want to see the end of life on earth?
Who told you life on earth was ending, and why did you take it seriously?
It sure as hell was not the evangelical believers in the great
rupture. It is the rapid extinction of life that is already taking
place.It is the increasing global temperatures. It is utter stupidity
of the greedy Merchants of Doubt.
Wally W.
2014-12-02 04:25:54 UTC
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:42:13 -0700, "Super Turtle"
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Post by Super Turtle
Cheap lower cost oil = the green shit you propose does not have a hope in
hell.
When you disagree with an idea you call it green shit.I am not sure
what your mean by green but I do know the general context of green as
being a forest, deep pools, maybe life. I also know what shit means.
It is the product of food and makes possible life on earth. As to hell
it is a figament of your imagination.
The low cost of oil is the best time to bring in a carbon tax.
For what purpose?
Lurkers may note that you didn't state a purpose for a carbon tax.
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Post by Wally W.
Domesticating animals was the first way to amplify human muscle power.
Fossil fuels have been another way to do that: after people tried
harnessing sunshine and breeze.
The use of fossil fuels has allowed civilization to progress at an
impressive rate.
Now you want to put the brakes on with a carbon tax.
Why?!
Why do you want to see the end of life on earth?
When did your scare story turn from displacing people in coastal areas
to ending all life on Earth?
Post by gordo
Post by Wally W.
There is never a good time for a carbon tax.
http://www.globalwarming.org/2012/02/07/the-great-delusion/#more-12926
"In centuries hence the global warming boogey man will be seen for
exactly what it is -- The Great Delusion. Future generations will
wonder how so many people could have believed something so suicidally
ridiculous."
Chom Noamsky
2014-11-30 23:57:17 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
1. Market forces from low carbon prices works to reduce costs of info driven technologies like solar PV, fusion, graphene battery and materials science where game changing breakthroughs are so common they are now the new normal. This is not true in geo extraction where technology is now well settled. Oil prices ain't gonna drop from better drilling mud or coal prices from a better excavator.
2. Tax hikes on carbon fuel becomes politically possible.
3. Transportation costs for solar and wind projects drop.
4. Petro chemicals in wind turbines become cheaper.
October 2014 Auto Sales: Low Gas Prices Produce High Truck And SUV Sales

Thanks to falling gas prices, light trucks and crossover SUVs are said
to be "booming," according to Fred Diaz, head of U.S. sales and
marketing for Nissan, which enjoyed a 15% gain in sales last month
compared with October 2013.

Auto industry analysts say that less-expensive gas prices bode well for
Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, Ford Motor Company, and General Motors,
traditional producers of full-size pickup trucks and large SUVs. Toyota
also credits light-truck and crossover SUV sales for helping to produce
the best October sales figures that the automaker has enjoyed in the
past decade.

http://autos.jdpower.com/content/blog-post/6DbNV1N/october-2014-auto-sales-low-gas-prices-produce-high-truck-and-suv-sales.htm
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2014-12-01 01:12:29 UTC
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there are so many refinements of automotive engines,
always going on (check the field of the Wankel
[one moving paart rotary engine, for instance
Post by Chom Noamsky
Auto industry analysts say that less-expensive gas prices bode well for
Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, Ford Motor Company, and General Motors,
traditional producers of full-size pickup trucks and large SUVs. Toyota
also credits light-truck and crossover SUV sales for helping to produce
the best October sales figures that the automaker has enjoyed in the
past decade.
http://autos.jdpower.com/content/blog-post/6DbNV1N/october-2014-auto-sales-low-gas-prices-produce-high-truck-and-suv-sales.htm
Bret Cahill
2014-12-01 05:48:09 UTC
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there are so many refinements of automotive engines,
always going on (check the field of the Wankel
[one moving paart rotary engine, for instance
Wankel has valves just like conventional reciprocating.
S***@hotmail.com
2014-12-02 01:43:06 UTC
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yes, of course ... not much of car-guy.

we have to do some PermaculturaL things around Socal,
to ammeliorate this great problem,
which is largely due to a)
deforestation
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Wankel has valves just like conventional reciprocating.
Bret Cahill
2015-08-24 23:36:31 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
1. Market forces from low carbon prices works to reduce costs of info driven technologies like solar PV, fusion, graphene battery and materials science where game changing breakthroughs are so common they are now the new normal. This is not true in geo extraction where technology is now well settled. Oil prices ain't gonna drop from better drilling mud or coal prices from a better excavator.
2. Tax hikes on carbon fuel becomes politically possible.
3. Transportation costs for solar and wind projects drop.
4. Petro chemicals in wind turbines become cheaper.
Turns out this was correct:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.global-warming/Ny5QStj5aMA
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2015-08-25 02:44:06 UTC
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what is your projected, sustainable rate of production
of hydrocabons from carbohydrates
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https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.global-warming/Ny5QStj5aMA
Bret Cahill
2017-10-11 15:59:11 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
1. Market forces from low carbon prices works to reduce costs of info driven technologies like solar PV, fusion, graphene battery and materials science where game changing breakthroughs are so common they are now the new normal. This is not true in geo extraction where technology is now well settled. Oil prices ain't gonna drop from better drilling mud or coal prices from a better excavator.
2. Tax hikes on carbon fuel becomes politically possible.
3. Transportation costs for solar and wind projects drop.
4. Petro chemicals in wind turbines become cheaper.
A few weeks later the French energy minister backed this up and now 3 years later we are proven correct.

The cost of 15 MW off shore wind turbines has dropped in half of it's already dirt cheap cost in the past 2 years.


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BumbleBee
2017-10-11 17:49:04 UTC
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The cost of 15 MW off shore wind turbines has dropped in half of it's already dirt cheap cost in the past 2 years.
Izzat why Teddy Kennedy and Walter Cronkite pitched a snit fit over
seeing ANY wind turbines in their view lines?

Lefty hypocrites!
Bret Cahill
2017-10-11 19:06:36 UTC
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The cost of 15 MW off shore wind turbines has dropped in half of it's already dirt cheap cost in the past 2 years.
Izzat why Teddy Kennedy and Walter Cronkite pitched a snit fit over
seeing ANY wind turbines in their view lines?
Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot be seen from land.

Care to try again?
BumbleBee
2017-10-11 22:34:34 UTC
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The cost of 15 MW off shore wind turbines has dropped in half of it's already dirt cheap cost in the past 2 years.
Izzat why Teddy Kennedy and Walter Cronkite pitched a snit fit over
seeing ANY wind turbines in their view lines?
Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot be seen from land.
Care to try again?
No, in fact I'll simply PROVE my point:


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/storm-over-mass-windmill-plan/

http://www.economist.com/node/16846774

Tempers run extra-high when the locations are glamorous and global
celebrities are involved. Take Robert Kennedy junior, an environmental
lawyer who helped to clean up New York's Hudson River. He has been part
of a campaign to stop a $1 billion sea-based project, called Cape Wind,
that was approved by the Obama administration in April. If it proceeds,
it will be America's first offshore wind park, with an impressive
capacity of 468 megawatts. The country has been a leader in land-based
turbines but lags behind China and Europe in sea-based efforts. Among
its many benefits, the park would meet the electricity needs of a
gorgeous strip of coast where Kennedys and other grand folk have been
summering for several generations. But it is a blessing those
blazer-wearing, bourbon-sipping vacationers could do without.

Ken Salazar, America's secretary of the interior, said he gave his
approval only after making adjustments to parry all objectors. The
number of turbines was cut from 170 to 130, in part to reduce the
“visual impact” suffered by the Kennedys' fabled compound. The wind park
has been moved farther away from Nantucket island and its breadth has
been reduced to make it less visible to holidaymakers there. The minimum
distance from the mainland is now 5.2 nautical miles; Nantucket town is
14 miles away from the proposed blades.

But the Kennedys, as well as humbler sorts nearby, such as the owners of
homes, boats and businesses, have not been persuaded. Before his death
in 2009, Senator Ted Kennedy (Robert's uncle) had denounced the project
as a “special-interest giveaway”. Scott Brown, the Republican who took
his place in the Senate, is following suit; he has likened the park to
putting turbines in the Grand Canyon. In some local matters, even
right-wing climate sceptics and climate-conscious lefties concur.
Unum
2017-10-12 02:19:14 UTC
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The cost of 15 MW off shore wind turbines has dropped in half of it's
already dirt cheap cost in the past 2 years.
Izzat why Teddy Kennedy and Walter Cronkite pitched a snit fit over
seeing ANY wind turbines in their view lines?
Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot be seen from land.
Care to try again?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/storm-over-mass-windmill-plan/
Lol, an article dredged up from 2003 that doesn't prove a thing. The
Cape Wind turbines are 3.68MW and near-shore. 13 to 15 megawatt
offshore turbines are planned to be sited 50 miles out at sea.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-20/gigantic-wind-turbines-signal-era-of-subsidy-free-green-power
Bret Cahill
2017-10-12 05:11:08 UTC
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The cost of 15 MW off shore wind turbines has dropped in half of it's
already dirt cheap cost in the past 2 years.
Izzat why Teddy Kennedy and Walter Cronkite pitched a snit fit over
seeing ANY wind turbines in their view lines?
Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot be seen from land.
Care to try again?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/storm-over-mass-windmill-plan/
Lol, an article dredged up from 2003
Luddites, by definition, can't be expected to be up to date on technology.
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that doesn't prove a thing. The
Cape Wind turbines are 3.68MW and near-shore. 13 to 15 megawatt
offshore turbines are planned to be sited 50 miles out at sea.
I'd like to see a design that'll run pretty good in sea state 12.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-20/gigantic-wind-turbines-signal-era-of-subsidy-free-green-power
BumbleBee
2017-10-12 16:27:20 UTC
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The cost of 15 MW off shore wind turbines has dropped in half of
it's already dirt cheap cost in the past 2 years.
Izzat why Teddy Kennedy and Walter Cronkite pitched a snit fit over
seeing ANY wind turbines in their view lines?
Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot be seen from land.
Care to try again?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/storm-over-mass-windmill-plan/
Lol, an article dredged
And more:

http://archive.boston.com/news/local/articles/2003/08/29/cronkite_urges_full_review_of_wind_farm_proposal/

Cronkite urges full review of wind farm proposal
By Stephanie Ebbert, Globe Staff, 8/29/2003
The most trusted man in America is now having second thoughts.

ADVERTISEMENT
Walter Cronkite, the veteran newsman and Martha's Vineyard homeowner who
had been featured prominently in ads opposing the nation's first
offshore wind farm, yesterday backed off his position, saying the
project deserves a full review.

Cronkite, who met with the developer of the proposed wind energy source
for the first time on Monday, said he now believes that the heated
opposition to the project is "premature," and that he would withhold
further judgment until an environmental impact study is complete.

The Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound, an opposition group that had
touted Cronkite's position and used his endorsement in television ads,
immediately pulled those ads at Cronkite's request.

While he remains sympathetic to the cause of the alliance, and still
shares some of its concerns, Cronkite said he now believes its initial
reaction to the project was an "almost hysterical one."

"I must say, as [the wind farm] was presented to me, I had to clench my
teeth to be sure I didn't get hysterical," Cronkite said in a phone
interview. "It sounded like such a ghastly invasion of this wonderful
body of water, which is Nantucket Sound. I will confess, also, that I
did not do my own homework as I should have before making the
statements. I did not and I can only regret that now."
Unum
2017-10-12 16:52:41 UTC
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The cost of 15 MW off shore wind turbines has dropped in half of it's
already dirt cheap cost in the past 2 years.
Izzat why Teddy Kennedy and Walter Cronkite pitched a snit fit over
seeing ANY wind turbines in their view lines?
Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot be seen from land.
Care to try again?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/storm-over-mass-windmill-plan/
Lol, an article dredged
http://archive.boston.com/news/local/articles/2003/08/29/cronkite_urges_full_review_of_wind_farm_proposal/
And you think this proves what, boy?
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2017-10-12 17:15:55 UTC
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The cost of 15 MW off shore wind turbines has dropped in half of
it's already dirt cheap cost in the past 2 years.
Izzat why Teddy Kennedy and Walter Cronkite pitched a snit fit over
seeing ANY wind turbines in their view lines?
Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot be seen from land.
Care to try again?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/storm-over-mass-windmill-plan/
Lol, an article dredged
http://archive.boston.com/news/local/articles/2003/08/29/cronkite_urges_full_review_of_wind_farm_proposal/
And you think
And you don't.
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2017-10-12 21:52:31 UTC
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The cost of 15 MW off shore wind turbines has dropped in half of it's
already dirt cheap cost in the past 2 years.
Izzat why Teddy Kennedy and Walter Cronkite pitched a snit fit over
seeing ANY wind turbines in their view lines?
Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot be seen from land.
Care to try again?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/storm-over-mass-windmill-plan/
Lol, an article dredged
http://archive.boston.com/news/local/articles/2003/08/29/cronkite_urges_full_review_of_wind_farm_proposal/
And you think
And you don't.
Dumbass craves my posts. 23 minutes this time! Keep checking, insect. I might
post again soon!
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2017-10-12 21:54:54 UTC
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The cost of 15 MW off shore wind turbines has dropped in half
of it's already dirt cheap cost in the past 2 years.
Izzat why Teddy Kennedy and Walter Cronkite pitched a snit fit over
seeing ANY wind turbines in their view lines?
Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot be seen from land.
Care to try again?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/storm-over-mass-windmill-plan/
Lol, an article dredged
http://archive.boston.com/news/local/articles/2003/08/29/cronkite_urges_full_review_of_wind_farm_proposal/
And you think
And you don't.
Dumbass craves
Cronkite = hypocrite.

Kennedy = hypocrite.

Unum = MORON.
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2017-10-13 04:25:31 UTC
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The cost of 15 MW off shore wind turbines has dropped in half of
it's already dirt cheap cost in the past 2 years.
Izzat why Teddy Kennedy and Walter Cronkite pitched a snit fit over
seeing ANY wind turbines in their view lines?
Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot be seen from land.
Care to try again?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/storm-over-mass-windmill-plan/
Lol, an article dredged
http://archive.boston.com/news/local/articles/2003/08/29/cronkite_urges_full_review_of_wind_farm_proposal/
And you think
And you don't.
Dumbass craves
Cronkite = hypocrite.
Kennedy = hypocrite.
Unum = MORON.
Tsk, so much hate and frustration.
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Cronkite = hypocrite.
Kennedy = hypocrite.
Unum = MORON.
Tsk, so much hate and frustration.
We should all pray that deniers don't shoot up their single wides.

You know what happens when deniers find out their hero tRUMP thinks they are a bunch of idiots?

They git pushed too far. They blame _others_ for being suckered by tRUMP.
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We should all pray that deniers don't shoot up their single wides.
Your home is in peril then?
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The cost of 15 MW off shore wind turbines has dropped in half
of it's already dirt cheap cost in the past 2 years.
Izzat why Teddy Kennedy and Walter Cronkite pitched a snit fit over
seeing ANY wind turbines in their view lines?
Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot be
seen from land.
Care to try again?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/storm-over-mass-windmill-plan/
Lol, an article dredged
http://archive.boston.com/news/local/articles/2003/08/29/cronkite_urges_full_review_of_wind_farm_proposal/
And you think
And you don't.
Dumbass craves
Cronkite = hypocrite.
Kennedy = hypocrite.
Unum = MORON.
Tsk, so much hate and frustration.
For so much rank HYPOCRISY from rich fucks.
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The cost of 15 MW off shore wind turbines has dropped in half of
it's already dirt cheap cost in the past 2 years.
Izzat why Teddy Kennedy and Walter Cronkite pitched a snit fit over
seeing ANY wind turbines in their view lines?
Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot be seen
from land.
Care to try again?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/storm-over-mass-windmill-plan/
Lol, an article dredged
http://archive.boston.com/news/local/articles/2003/08/29/cronkite_urges_full_review_of_wind_farm_proposal/
And you think
And you don't.
Dumbass craves
Cronkite = hypocrite.
Kennedy = hypocrite.
Unum = MORON.
Tsk, so much hate and frustration.
For so much rank HYPOCRISY from rich fucks.
You sound so jealous.

"Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot be seen from land."
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The cost of 15 MW off shore wind turbines has dropped in
half of it's already dirt cheap cost in the past 2 years.
Izzat why Teddy Kennedy and Walter Cronkite pitched a snit fit over
seeing ANY wind turbines in their view lines?
Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot be
seen from land.
Care to try again?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/storm-over-mass-windmill-plan/
Lol, an article dredged
http://archive.boston.com/news/local/articles/2003/08/29/cronkite_urges_full_review_of_wind_farm_proposal/
And you think
And you don't.
Dumbass craves
Cronkite = hypocrite.
Kennedy = hypocrite.
Unum = MORON.
Tsk, so much hate and frustration.
For so much rank HYPOCRISY from rich fucks.
You sound so jealous.
No, hypocrisy is nothing to covet.
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"Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot be seen from land."
I'm sure some seagulls will DIE for this!

LOL!
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The cost of 15 MW off shore wind turbines has dropped in half of
it's already dirt cheap cost in the past 2 years.
Izzat why Teddy Kennedy and Walter Cronkite pitched a snit fit over
seeing ANY wind turbines in their view lines?
Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot be seen
from land.
Care to try again?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/storm-over-mass-windmill-plan/
Lol, an article dredged
http://archive.boston.com/news/local/articles/2003/08/29/cronkite_urges_full_review_of_wind_farm_proposal/
And you think
And you don't.
Dumbass craves
Cronkite = hypocrite.
Kennedy = hypocrite.
Unum = MORON.
Tsk, so much hate and frustration.
For so much rank HYPOCRISY from rich fucks.
You sound so jealous.
No, hypocrisy is nothing to covet.
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"Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot be seen from land."
I'm sure some seagulls will DIE for this!
Hey fruitcake, yesterday it was all about some alleged hypocrisy 15 years
ago, lol.
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The cost of 15 MW off shore wind turbines has dropped in
half of it's already dirt cheap cost in the past 2 years.
Izzat why Teddy Kennedy and Walter Cronkite pitched a snit
fit over
seeing ANY wind turbines in their view lines?
Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot
be seen from land.
Care to try again?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/storm-over-mass-windmill-plan/
Lol, an article dredged
http://archive.boston.com/news/local/articles/2003/08/29/cronkite_urges_full_review_of_wind_farm_proposal/
And you think
And you don't.
Dumbass craves
Cronkite = hypocrite.
Kennedy = hypocrite.
Unum = MORON.
Tsk, so much hate and frustration.
For so much rank HYPOCRISY from rich fucks.
You sound so jealous.
No, hypocrisy is nothing to covet.
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"Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot be seen from land."
I'm sure some seagulls will DIE for this!
Hey fruitcake, yesterday it was all about some alleged hypocrisy
See what happens, first the hypocrisy, then the dead seagulls!

Awful it is...
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Cronkite = hypocrite.
Kennedy = hypocrite.
Unum = MORON.
Tsk, so much hate and frustration.
For so much rank HYPOCRISY from rich fucks.
You should be raking in the big bucks now with tRUMP & the GOP in power, cutting taxes on the rich and gutting Social Security and other services for the poor . ...

What ain't libertardia breaking out?

<CIA>
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2017-10-13 21:55:05 UTC
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Cronkite = hypocrite.
Kennedy = hypocrite.
Unum = MORON.
Tsk, so much hate and frustration.
For so much rank HYPOCRISY from rich fucks.
You should be raking in the big bucks now with tRUMP & the GOP in power,
Oh heck yes, I AM!
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cutting taxes on the rich
No, not yet, not with traitor McStain still sucking air in...
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and gutting Social Security and other services for the poor . ...
Proof of that is where?
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What ain't libertardia breaking out?
<CIA>
The baseball bat to your head, but wait for it....
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The cost of 15 MW off shore wind turbines has dropped in half of it's
already dirt cheap cost in the past 2 years.
Izzat why Teddy Kennedy and Walter Cronkite pitched a snit fit over
seeing ANY wind turbines in their view lines?
Blue water floating turbines are 120 km offshore & cannot be seen from land.
Care to try again?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/storm-over-mass-windmill-plan/
Lol, an article dredged
http://archive.boston.com/news/local/articles/2003/08/29/cronkite_urges_full_review_of_wind_farm_proposal/
And you think this proves what, boy?
Luddites, by definition, can't be expected to be up to date on technology.

Deniers pee in their panties every time anyone says "lectric motor."


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Deniers pee in their panties every time anyone says "lectric motor."
Straw man factory up and running today!
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.136.236.132Subject: Marxism
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Bret E. Cahill (56+)
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The DemocRATs Hall of Shame!
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Hate to brag but here's another 3 1/2 year old perdiction proven true!
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1. Market forces from low carbon prices works to reduce costs of info driven technologies like solar PV, fusion, graphene battery and materials science where game changing breakthroughs are so common they are now the new normal. This is not true in geo extraction where technology is now well settled. Oil prices ain't gonna drop from better drilling mud or coal prices from a better excavator.
2. Tax hikes on carbon fuel becomes politically possible.
3. Transportation costs for solar and wind projects drop.
4. Petro chemicals in wind turbines become cheaper.
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Hate to brag but here's another 3 1/2 year old perdiction proven true!
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1. Market forces from low carbon prices works to reduce costs of info driven technologies like solar PV, fusion, graphene battery and materials science where game changing breakthroughs are so common they are now the new normal. This is not true in geo extraction where technology is now well settled. Oil prices ain't gonna drop from better drilling mud or coal prices from a better excavator.
2. Tax hikes on carbon fuel becomes politically possible.
3. Transportation costs for solar and wind projects drop.
4. Petro chemicals in wind turbines become cheaper.
Bret Cahill
There is no context on which to base a brag. No date given for the OP,
no name given for the OP.
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1. Market forces from low carbon prices works to reduce costs of info driven technologies like solar PV, fusion, graphene battery and materials science where game changing breakthroughs are so common they are now the new normal. This is not true in geo extraction where technology is now well settled. Oil prices ain't gonna drop from better drilling mud or coal prices from a better excavator.
2. Tax hikes on carbon fuel becomes politically possible.
3. Transportation costs for solar and wind projects drop.
4. Petro chemicals in wind turbines become cheaper.
<crickets>
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1. Market forces from low carbon prices works to reduce costs of info driven technologies like solar PV, fusion, graphene battery and materials science where game changing breakthroughs are so common they are now the new normal. This is not true in geo extraction where technology is now well settled. Oil prices ain't gonna drop from better drilling mud or coal prices from a better excavator.
2. Tax hikes on carbon fuel becomes politically possible.
3. Transportation costs for solar and wind projects drop.
4. Petro chemicals in wind turbines become cheaper.
<crickets>
Looks like a denier.

There was a reply here:
:On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 21:11:42 -0500, Wally W. wrote:
:>On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 11:04:11 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill wrote:

What are crickets to do when their master becomes more of an
embarrassment each day?
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1. Market forces from low carbon prices works to reduce costs of info driven technologies like solar PV, fusion, graphene battery and materials science where game changing breakthroughs are so common they are now the new normal. This is not true in geo extraction where technology is now well settled. Oil prices ain't gonna drop from better drilling mud or coal prices from a better excavator.
2. Tax hikes on carbon fuel becomes politically possible.
3. Transportation costs for solar and wind projects drop.
4. Petro chemicals in wind turbines become cheaper.
<crickets>
Looks like a denier.
No one cares about you bragging to be an evolution denier.

The issue here is Low Oil Prices Help Carbon Abatement
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Hate to brag but here's another 3 1/2 year old perdiction proven true!
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1. Market forces from low carbon prices works to reduce costs of info driven technologies like solar PV, fusion, graphene battery and materials science where game changing breakthroughs are so common they are now the new normal. This is not true in geo extraction where technology is now well settled. Oil prices ain't gonna drop from better drilling mud or coal prices from a better excavator.
2. Tax hikes on carbon fuel becomes politically possible.
3. Transportation costs for solar and wind projects drop.
4. Petro chemicals in wind turbines become cheaper.
<crickets>
Looks like a denier.
No one cares about you bragging to be an evolution denier.
How is that diversionary retreat working for you?

Does it make others miss the fact that your omission of attributions
could be a denial strategy?

Have you nothing positive to say about your religion? **Is** there
anything positive to say about your religion?

How defective are people who can only try to elevate themselves by
attempts to put others down?

Why do you claim "crickets" or "CAP" when others can see that there
had been at least one reply?

Are you incompetent, lying, or something else?

Is an alarmist tool / drone / sympathizer / other more likely to get a
"yellow card" for lying or for telling the truth?

Should one get a yellow card if they are ham-handed in issuing a
yellow card?
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The issue here is Low Oil Prices Help Carbon Abatement
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1. Market forces from low carbon prices works to reduce costs of info driven technologies like solar PV, fusion, graphene battery and materials science where game changing breakthroughs are so common they are now the new normal. This is not true in geo extraction where technology is now well settled. Oil prices ain't gonna drop from better drilling mud or coal prices from a better excavator.
2. Tax hikes on carbon fuel becomes politically possible.
3. Transportation costs for solar and wind projects drop.
4. Petro chemicals in wind turbines become cheaper.
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<crickets>
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1. Market forces from low carbon prices works to reduce costs of info driven technologies like solar PV, fusion, graphene battery and materials science where game changing breakthroughs are so common they are now the new normal. This is not true in geo extraction where technology is now well settled. Oil prices ain't gonna drop from better drilling mud or coal prices from a better excavator.
2. Tax hikes on carbon fuel becomes politically possible.
3. Transportation costs for solar and wind projects drop.
4. Petro chemicals in wind turbines become cheaper.
Bret Cahill
<crickets>
Looks like a denier.

There was a reply here:
:On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 21:11:42 -0500, Wally W. wrote:
:>On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 11:04:11 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill wrote:

When called on your claim of "crickets" on this post before, you
spewed about evolution here:
On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 23:26:39 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill wrote:

Did you lie twice?

How does one hear their crickets when they do this:

The Simpsons - Lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala

What are crickets to do when their master becomes more of an
embarrassment each day?
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2. Tax hikes on carbon fuel becomes politically possible.
Regressive taxation.

Ban private aviation. Ban motor engines over
80 h.p.

Conceivably, a 40hp car could easily attain
highway speeds...
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3. Transportation costs for solar and wind projects drop.
The more you tax energy, the less it costs!
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4. Petro chemicals in wind turbines become cheaper.
The prices will be so high that they'll be low!




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2. Tax hikes on carbon fuel becomes politically possible.
Regressive taxation.
Not if the first 2 tons are tax free then $50 for the 3rd ton, $100 for the 4th ton & so on until Al Gore can no longer afford private jets.

Koch has funneled $300 million to Gore through service industry stocks.

Wouldn't you like sum of that $$$?

Easy! Redistribute with negative tuition vouchers!

For each credit hour you get $100 for an A

$75 for a B

$50 for a C

$25 for a D

$0 for an F
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Not if
Regressive taxation. And totally unnecessary.





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2. Tax hikes on carbon fuel becomes politically possible.
Regressive taxation.
Not if the first 2 tons are tax free then $50 for the 3rd ton, $100 for the 4th ton & so on until Al Gore can no longer afford private jets.
Koch has funneled $300 million to Gore through service industry stocks.
Wouldn't you like sum of that $$$?
Easy! Redistribute with negative tuition vouchers!
For each credit hour you get $100 for an A
$75 for a B
$50 for a C
$25 for a D
$0 for an F
<crickets>
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<crickets>
I have not, before you, ever seen anyone
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2. Tax hikes on carbon fuel becomes politically possible.
Regressive taxation.
Not if the first 2 tons are tax free then $50 for the 3rd ton, $100 for the 4th ton & so on until Al Gore can no longer afford private jets.
Koch has funneled $300 million to Gore through service industry stocks.
Wouldn't you like sum of that $$$?
Easy! Redistribute with negative tuition vouchers!
For each credit hour you get $100 for an A
$75 for a B
$50 for a C
$25 for a D
$0 for an F
<crickets>
JTEM is right
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<crickets>
Eventually you're going to find out what that
means and, boy, you sure are going to be
embarrassed!





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2. Tax hikes on carbon fuel becomes politically possible.
Regressive taxation.
Not if the first 2 tons are tax free then $50 for the 3rd ton, $100 for the 4th ton & so on until Al Gore can no longer afford private jets.
Koch has funneled $300 million to Gore through service industry stocks.
Wouldn't you like sum of that $$$?
<crickets>
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Easy! Redistribute with negative tuition vouchers!
For each credit hour you get $100 for an A
$75 for a B
$50 for a C
$25 for a D
$0 for an F
<crickets>
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2. Tax hikes on carbon fuel becomes politically possible.
Regressive taxation.
Not if the first 2 tons are tax free then $50 for the 3rd ton, $100 for the 4th ton & so on until Al Gore can no longer afford private jets.
Koch has funneled $300 million to Gore through service industry stocks.
Wouldn't you like sum of that $$$?
Easy! Redistribute with negative tuition vouchers!
For each credit hour you get $100 for an A
$75 for a B
$50 for a C
$25 for a D
$0 for an F
<crickets>

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