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Xcel CEO says clean energy delivers lower costs
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Unum
2018-06-08 23:33:52 UTC
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https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/xcel-ceo-retiring-coal-fleet

Xcel Energy Colorado submitted an electric resource plan to state regulators
Wednesday, calling for a major new build-out of renewable energy resources and
the retirement of two coal units, roughly a decade early.

Comanche Units 1 and 2 are capable of producing a combined 660 megawatts of
coal-fired generation, which represents approximately one-third of Xcel
Colorado’s remaining coal fleet. Under the utility’s proposal, the retirements
would coincide with adding more than 1,800 megawatts of solar and wind, paired
with 275 megawatts of battery storage, and 383 megawatts of existing gas
assets.

In a business-as-usual scenario, Xcel Colorado would keep the Comanche units
in operation and add 450 megawatts of additional energy resources. While the
economic benefits of both plans are reasonable, the clean energy proposal is
more compelling because “it *delivers lower costs along with substantial
environmental and renewable energy gains*,” the filing states.

“We have plans in Colorado…that will have us at a 60 percent carbon reduction
and 55 percent renewable energy by 2026,” he said, adding, “at no incremental
cost.”

In January, the utility released the results of a solicitation that returned
a median price bid of $21 per megawatt-hour for wind-plus-storage projects and
a median bid of $36 per megawatt-hour for solar-plus-storage.

Bids highlighted in Xcel's new electric resource filing are even lower. The
proposal includes "unprecedented low pricing" across a range of generation
technologies, with wind at levelized pricing between $11-$18 per
megawatt-hour, solar between $23-$27 per megawatt-hour, and solar-plus-storage
between $30-$32 per megawatt-hour, the document states.
JTEM is right
2018-06-08 23:47:57 UTC
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We finally found out where wind & solar
lowered energy costs: On paper.

Nowhere in the real world, no cities or
towns, but it's cheap on paper!

And, hey, the paper is a biofuel!






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Unum
2018-06-09 00:23:44 UTC
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We finally found out where wind & solar
lowered energy costs: On paper.
Nowhere in the real world, no cities or
towns, but it's cheap on paper!
And you know this how, fruitcake?
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2018-06-09 00:45:52 UTC
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We finally found out where wind & solar
lowered energy costs: On paper.
Nowhere in the real world, no cities or
towns, but it's cheap on paper!
And you know this
Of course I know this. Your own cite says so!
They never experienced any savings. They never
witnessed any such savings. The only place we
can "See" this savings is on paper

It's all on paper, this savings, and nowhere else.









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Unum
2018-06-09 01:05:39 UTC
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We finally found out where wind & solar
lowered energy costs: On paper.
Nowhere in the real world, no cities or
towns, but it's cheap on paper!
And you know this
Of course I know this. Your own cite says so!
Says it where, lieboy? "Nowhere in the real
world, no cities or towns". Quote it exactly.
JTEM is right
2018-06-09 01:13:47 UTC
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Says it where
Read your own cite!

It doesn't point towards any savings that
have ever been experienced or even witnessed.
All they have is a piece of paper that talks
about savings... at some undisclosed future
point... a date nobody knows... a savings
that nobody has seen...




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Chom Noamsky
2018-06-13 06:40:17 UTC
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Says it where
Read your own cite!
It doesn't point towards any savings that
have ever been experienced or even witnessed.
All they have is a piece of paper that talks
about savings... at some undisclosed future
point... a date nobody knows... a savings
that nobody has seen...
It's kinda like the primary school lesson on the difference between
fiction and non-fiction.

Chom Noamsky
2018-06-09 00:04:17 UTC
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“We have plans in Colorado…that will have us at a 60 percent carbon reduction
and 55 percent renewable energy by 2026,” he said, adding, “at no incremental
cost.”
Colorado’s electricity rates have skyrocketed by more than 62 percent
across all sectors—nearly 1.5 times the rate of inflation and 2.5 times
the growth of median household income.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/energy-environment/332410-how-consumers-and-taxpayers-subsidize-colorados
Unum
2018-06-09 00:33:32 UTC
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“We have plans in Colorado…that will have us at a 60 percent carbon reduction
and 55 percent renewable energy by 2026,” he said, adding, “at no incremental
cost.”
Colorado’s electricity rates have skyrocketed by more than 62 percent across
all sectors—nearly 1.5 times the rate of inflation and 2.5 times the growth of
median household income.
So most of the "skyrocketing" was due to inflation? According to a 2016
report that covers 2002-2014?

https://www.electricitylocal.com/states/colorado/
The average residential electricity rate of 11.46¢/kWh in CO is 3.54% less
than the national average residential rate of 11.88¢/kWh.
Chom Noamsky
2018-06-09 00:41:33 UTC
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“We have plans in Colorado…that will have us at a 60 percent carbon reduction
and 55 percent renewable energy by 2026,” he said, adding, “at no incremental
cost.”
Colorado’s electricity rates have skyrocketed by more than 62 percent
across all sectors—nearly 1.5 times the rate of inflation and 2.5
times the growth of median household income.
So most of the "skyrocketing" was due to inflation? According to a 2016
report that covers 2002-2014?
https://www.electricitylocal.com/states/colorado/
The average residential electricity rate of 11.46¢/kWh in CO is 3.54% less
than the national average residential rate of 11.88¢/kWh.
That leg-humper Unum, always making my points for me.

Yeah, the rate used to be much lower than the national average, until
greenyism cam along, and now rates are just slightly less than the
national average.

C'mon, google up something that confirms me again.

It's so funny.
Unum
2018-06-09 01:04:12 UTC
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“We have plans in Colorado…that will have us at a 60 percent carbon reduction
and 55 percent renewable energy by 2026,” he said, adding, “at no incremental
cost.”
Colorado’s electricity rates have skyrocketed by more than 62 percent
across all sectors—nearly 1.5 times the rate of inflation and 2.5 times the
growth of median household income.
So most of the "skyrocketing" was due to inflation? According to a 2016
report that covers 2002-2014?
https://www.electricitylocal.com/states/colorado/
The average residential electricity rate of 11.46¢/kWh in CO is 3.54% less
than the national average residential rate of 11.88¢/kWh.
That leg-humper Unum, always making my points for me.
Lol, chumpsky does the usual immediate backflip.
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Yeah, the rate used to be much lower than the national average, until
greenyism cam along, and now rates are just slightly less than the national
average.
So clean energy delivers lower costs and chumpsky is completely
full of shit as usual?
Chom Noamsky
2018-06-09 02:47:37 UTC
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“We have plans in Colorado…that will have us at a 60 percent carbon reduction
and 55 percent renewable energy by 2026,” he said, adding, “at no incremental
cost.”
Colorado’s electricity rates have skyrocketed by more than 62
percent across all sectors—nearly 1.5 times the rate of inflation
and 2.5 times the growth of median household income.
So most of the "skyrocketing" was due to inflation? According to a 2016
report that covers 2002-2014?
https://www.electricitylocal.com/states/colorado/
The average residential electricity rate of 11.46¢/kWh in CO is 3.54% less
than the national average residential rate of 11.88¢/kWh.
That leg-humper Unum, always making my points for me.
Lol, chumpsky does the usual immediate backflip.
Post by Chom Noamsky
Yeah, the rate used to be much lower than the national average, until
greenyism cam along, and now rates are just slightly less than the
national average.
So clean energy delivers lower costs and chumpsky is completely
full of shit as usual?
"Colorado’s electricity rates have skyrocketed by more than 62 percent..."
Unum
2018-06-09 03:29:25 UTC
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“We have plans in Colorado…that will have us at a 60 percent carbon reduction
and 55 percent renewable energy by 2026,” he said, adding, “at no incremental
cost.”
Colorado’s electricity rates have skyrocketed by more than 62 percent
across all sectors—nearly 1.5 times the rate of inflation and 2.5 times
the growth of median household income.
So most of the "skyrocketing" was due to inflation? According to a 2016
report that covers 2002-2014?
https://www.electricitylocal.com/states/colorado/
The average residential electricity rate of 11.46¢/kWh in CO is 3.54% less
than the national average residential rate of 11.88¢/kWh.
That leg-humper Unum, always making my points for me.
Lol, chumpsky does the usual immediate backflip.
Post by Chom Noamsky
Yeah, the rate used to be much lower than the national average, until
greenyism cam along, and now rates are just slightly less than the national
average.
So clean energy delivers lower costs and chumpsky is completely
full of shit as usual?
"Colorado’s electricity rates have skyrocketed by more than 62 percent..."
Stung, didn't it.
R Kym Horsell
2018-06-09 04:45:32 UTC
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So clean energy delivers lower costs and chumpsky is completely
full of shit as usual?
"Colorado's electricity rates have skyrocketed by more than 62 percent..."
Stung, didn't it.
The only thing worse than one of those one-point hillbilly datasets is
when the datapoint turns out to be an outlier.

The only thing worse than a hillbilly outlier one-point dataset is
when the outlier turns out to be dodgy in the first place.
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water air
specific heat 4200 993
(J/kg/K)
density 1000 1.275
(kg/m3)

By definition 1 calorie (~4.2 Joule) heats 1cc of water 1 deg C.
1 calorie applied to 1cc of dry air would raise it over 3000 deg C.

If some amount of heat warms 1 kg of water by 1C
the same amount of heat applied to 1 kg of air would raise it about 4C.

If some amount of heat warms 1 m3 of water by 1C
the same amount of heat applied to 1 m3 of air would raise it more than 3000C.
Unum
2018-06-09 15:15:04 UTC
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So clean energy delivers lower costs and chumpsky is completely
full of shit as usual?
"Colorado's electricity rates have skyrocketed by more than 62 percent..."
Stung, didn't it.
The only thing worse than one of those one-point hillbilly datasets is
when the datapoint turns out to be an outlier.
The only thing worse than a hillbilly outlier one-point dataset is
when the outlier turns out to be dodgy in the first place.
Quote-mine the usual lieblogs to find a years-old post citing even
older easily debunked data that you don't bother to look at. Throw
a little hissy fit when someone casually glances at it and points
out the ridiculous.
Chom Noamsky
2018-06-10 04:23:02 UTC
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So clean energy delivers lower costs and chumpsky is completely
full of shit as usual?
"Colorado's electricity rates have skyrocketed by more than 62 percent..."
Stung, didn't it.
The only thing worse than one of those one-point hillbilly datasets is
when the datapoint turns out to be an outlier.
The only thing worse than a hillbilly outlier one-point dataset is
when the outlier turns out to be dodgy in the first place.
Quote-mine the usual lieblogs to find a years-old post citing even
older easily debunked data that you don't bother to look at. Throw
a little hissy fit when someone casually glances at it and points
out the ridiculous.
"Colorado’s electricity rates have skyrocketed by more than 62 percent..."
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2018-06-09 00:54:21 UTC
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So most of the "skyrocketing" was due to inflation?
He said it grew 1.5 times the rate of inflation.

Oh:

https://www.bizjournals.com/denver/blog/earth_to_power/2015/10/irea-approves-new-electricity-charge-aimed-at.html

<Quote>
Utilities across the country are struggling with how
to cover their costs of service as more customers
add solar power to their homes.

The charge is believed to be the first of its kind
in the nation, according to cooperative.
</Quote>

The problem here is that when the solar goes out,
energy needs spike 9 or 10 times above normal, so
this places a heavy burden on the power companies.




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Unum
2018-06-09 01:10:58 UTC
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So most of the "skyrocketing" was due to inflation?
He said it grew 1.5 times the rate of inflation.
So most of the "skyrocketing" was due to inflation? Between
2002 and 2014?
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The charge is believed to be the first of its kind
in the nation, according to cooperative.
</Quote>
Lol, "Updated 3 years ago".
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The problem here is that when the solar goes out,
energy needs spike 9 or 10 times above normal, so
this places a heavy burden on the power companies.
The board also on Tuesday approved a 25-year power-purchase agreement with
Juwi Inc. to buy all the power generated by a new, utility-scale solar power
project to be built near an IREA substation near Bennett in Adams County, Liss
said.

“We’re excited about the new Victory solar project,” Liss said.
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2018-06-09 03:41:15 UTC
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So most of
You're a troll -- I get it -- so you post a
story about A PROPOSAL, something that has
never happened, and you claim this PROPOSAL
that never happened proves how cheap
alternatives are. It's just a proposal. The
savings exist only on paper, nowhere else.

...the rates are increasing ahead of
inflation!

so in reality we have rapidly increasing rates,
and nowhere is there any "Savings" from alternatives,
but you're claiming there is because of something
that has never happened, something that is merely
PROPOSED.

...you do this a lot!




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Chom Noamsky
2018-06-12 01:24:24 UTC
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So most of
You're a troll -- I get it -- so you post a
story about A PROPOSAL, something that has
never happened, and you claim this PROPOSAL
that never happened proves how cheap
alternatives are. It's just a proposal. The
savings exist only on paper, nowhere else.
...the rates are increasing ahead of
inflation!
so in reality we have rapidly increasing rates,
and nowhere is there any "Savings" from alternatives,
but you're claiming there is because of something
that has never happened, something that is merely
PROPOSED.
...you do this a lot!
Last time the little green gremlin was beakin-off about Xcel, I pointed
out that they were just quotes, not validated real-world performance
figures.

But it's pointless. In the world of wishful greenie thinking, something
is true just by claiming it's true.
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