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Miami - A Victim Of Rising Sea Levels
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Byker
2018-04-29 22:36:39 UTC
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As the planet warms up and the ice caps melt, Miami Florida has been
battling rising sea levels and it is just a matter of time before South
Miami becomes uninhabitable. It is one of many cities around the globe
that face a problem with rising sea levels.
http://www.businessinsider.com/miami-floods-sea-level-rise-solutions-2018-4
As the seaside buildings get old and are torn down, they'll be replaced by
new beaches while new buildings will be built farther inland.

Got that?
JTEM is right
2018-04-29 23:37:38 UTC
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Post by Byker
As the planet warms up and the ice caps melt, Miami Florida has been
battling rising sea levels and it is just a matter of time before South
Miami becomes uninhabitable. It is one of many cities around the globe
that face a problem with rising sea levels.
http://www.businessinsider.com/miami-floods-sea-level-rise-solutions-2018-4
As the seaside buildings get old and are torn down, they'll be replaced by
new beaches while new buildings will be built farther inland.
Got that?
Here's why hurricanes cost more:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/206109/resident-population-in-florida/

In 1960 Florida had a population of 4.5 million.

In 2017 Florida's population was just a sliver
beneath 21 million.

There. That's it. All those additional people,
additional homes, additional cars (etc) all
squeezed into the exact same area.

That's it. This fully accounts for the ridiculous
cost of "Disaster" management. Not "Climate
Change" but over population.




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Byker
2018-04-30 01:54:39 UTC
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That's it. This fully accounts for the ridiculous cost of "Disaster"
management. Not "Climate Change" but over population.
Don't forget inflation: https://www.measuringworth.com/calculators/ppowerus/
JTEM is right
2018-04-30 06:44:39 UTC
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Don't forget inflation: https://www.measuringworth.com/calculators/ppowerus/
So from 1960 to 2017 there was roughly a 400%
increase in population -- birth rates, immigrants
and refugees from the snowbelt -- and a 600 to
3,500% rate of inflation.

...and they claim hurricanes cost more? How?





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Dhu on Gate
2018-04-30 06:19:09 UTC
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As the planet warms up and the ice caps melt, Miami Florida has been
battling rising sea levels and it is just a matter of time before South
Miami becomes uninhabitable. It is one of many cities around the globe
that face a problem with rising sea levels.
http://www.businessinsider.com/miami-floods-sea-level-rise-solutions-2018-4
As the seaside buildings get old and are torn down, they'll be replaced by
new beaches while new buildings will be built farther inland.
Got that?
Umn, no. Floridia is flat. Like a pool table.
Once the waves go over the beach bar, there's
nothin' but swamp to hold them back.

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Byker
2018-04-30 17:34:44 UTC
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Umn, no. Floridia is flat. Like a pool table. Once the waves go over
the beach bar, there's nothin' but swamp to hold them back.
There is always the Panhandle to retreat to ;-)
M.I.Wakefield
2018-04-30 17:38:19 UTC
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Umn, no. Floridia is flat. Like a pool table. Once the waves go over
the beach bar, there's nothin' but swamp to hold them back.
There is always the Panhandle to retreat to ;-)
aka "The part of Florida that even Alabama didn't want"
Byker
2018-04-30 18:06:20 UTC
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Umn, no. Floridia is flat. Like a pool table. Once the waves go over
the beach bar, there's nothin' but swamp to hold them back.
There is always the Panhandle to retreat to ;-)
aka "The part of Florida that even Alabama didn't want"
Or the Eastern Time Zone
Byker
2018-04-30 17:51:02 UTC
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Umn, no. Floridia is flat. Like a pool table.
Once the waves go over the beach bar, there's nothin' but swamp to hold
them back.
3 feet of rise takes out a lot of Miami and the tip of Florida
https://databasin.org/maps/new#datasets=dd54d301894f4322a7a30832572c4a7e
True. However, the rise will take place gradually over a period of years or
decades, with an occasional hurricane storm surge to remind everyone that
they'll have to move on eventually...
M.I.Wakefield
2018-04-30 17:57:39 UTC
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3 feet of rise takes out a lot of Miami and the tip of Florida
https://databasin.org/maps/new#datasets=dd54d301894f4322a7a30832572c4a7e
True. However, the rise will take place gradually over a period of years
or decades, with an occasional hurricane storm surge to remind everyone
that they'll have to move on eventually...
Or, it's happening now:

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/miami-king-tides-flooding-city-like-a-hurricane-again-today-9725153
DESMODUS
2018-04-30 13:36:28 UTC
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Sorry but this is normal (for Miami at least ) as it is 90 % reef limestone formed during the last interglacial (MIS5e ) when the sea level was 5m higher than today -weve always known this and decades ago advised against the urbanisation of Miami as it was likely to only end in tears -but of course the Homostupidienses that run the area rufused to believe us ! DESMODUS
Post by Byker
As the planet warms up and the ice caps melt, Miami Florida has been
battling rising sea levels and it is just a matter of time before South
Miami becomes uninhabitable. It is one of many cities around the globe
that face a problem with rising sea levels.
http://www.businessinsider.com/miami-floods-sea-level-rise-solutions-2018-4
As the seaside buildings get old and are torn down, they'll be replaced by
new beaches while new buildings will be built farther inland.
Got that?
Byker
2018-04-30 18:06:33 UTC
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Sorry but this is normal (for Miami at least ) as it is 90 % reef
limestone formed during the last interglacial (MIS5e ) when the sea level
was 5m higher than today -weve always known this and decades ago advised
against the urbanisation of Miami as it was likely to only end in
tears -but of course the Homostupidienses that run the area rufused to
believe us ! DESMODUS
Not every place in the peninsula is vulnerable to a 200-foot sea level rise:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Wales_Ridge

I wonder how erosion-resistant Mount Trashmore is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Trashmore_(Florida)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Florida%27s_highest_points
Siri Cruise
2018-04-30 20:48:26 UTC
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Lots of places are vunerable to a one foot rise.
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Byker
2018-04-30 20:59:08 UTC
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Lots of places are vunerable to a one foot rise.
True. But don't skip the state just yet:

"How high could the ocean rise? No one knows. Government officials in South
Florida, using estimates from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration and the Army Corps of Engineers, anticipate three to seven
inches within 15 years, and nine inches to two feet within 45 years.

"With a one-foot increase, the water would invade neighborhoods in southeast
Broward, including Hollywood’s Lake section, Hallandale Beach east of U.S.
1, eastern Dania Beach and Las Olas Isles in Fort Lauderdale, according to
the Southeast Florida Regional Climate Change Compact, which represents
Broward, Miami-Dade, Monroe and Palm Beach counties."

See chart: http://interactive.sun-sentinel.com/rising-seas/north.html

You wouldn't have to move too far to stay high and dry ;-)
Siri Cruise
2018-04-30 23:36:38 UTC
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You wouldn't have to move too far to stay high and dry ;-)
I can't move into the house next door without selling this house. Property
values are rising here, so no problem. Property values in flood prone
neighbourhoods are dropping.
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Kym Horsell
2018-04-30 21:05:53 UTC
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Lots of places are vunerable to a one foot rise.
Unfortunately the estimates are more like 17" by 2030 and maybe 10-11ft by 2100.

SLR % of Fla
1m 4.6
2m 18.2
3m 22.7
4m 27.3
...
61m 95.5
Byker
2018-04-30 21:54:37 UTC
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Lots of places are vunerable to a one foot rise.
Unfortunately the estimates are more like 17" by 2030 and maybe 10-11ft by 2100.
Like I said, you have plenty of time to move to higher ground...
Siri Cruise
2018-04-30 23:33:01 UTC
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Lots of places are vunerable to a one foot rise.
Unfortunately the estimates are more like 17" by 2030 and maybe 10-11ft by 2100.
Like I said, you have plenty of time to move to higher ground...
Middle class homeowners expect to buy a new house by selling the old one. The
old house is losing value, eventually to be worthless. This means middle class
people have to take a hit; it also means the property tax drops reducing the
money to the county which might not be able to reduce its services.

The old answer was the middle class takes the hit on behalf of everyone else who
caused the problem.

The recent fix is government buy outs so the home owner gets enough to buy a
safe house. How do you feel about government bailing out home owners?
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Gronk
2018-05-05 06:22:43 UTC
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As the planet warms up and the ice caps melt, Miami Florida has been
battling rising sea levels and it is just a matter of time before South
Miami becomes uninhabitable. It is one of many cities around the globe
that face a problem with rising sea levels.
http://www.businessinsider.com/miami-floods-sea-level-rise-solutions-2018-4
As the seaside buildings get old and are torn down, they'll be replaced by
new beaches while new buildings will be built farther inland.
Got that?
And that's all free, right?
M.I.Wakefield
2018-05-05 13:30:44 UTC
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Post by Byker
As the planet warms up and the ice caps melt, Miami Florida has been
battling rising sea levels and it is just a matter of time before South
Miami becomes uninhabitable. It is one of many cities around the globe
that face a problem with rising sea levels.
http://www.businessinsider.com/miami-floods-sea-level-rise-solutions-2018-4
As the seaside buildings get old and are torn down, they'll be replaced
by new beaches while new buildings will be built farther inland.
Got that?
And that's all free, right?
And there's lots of higher ground in south Florida?
Byker
2018-05-05 14:39:41 UTC
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And there's lots of higher ground in south Florida?
It'll be high and dry long enough for people to build accordingly
Gronk
2018-05-11 05:50:42 UTC
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And there's lots of higher ground in south Florida?
It'll be high and dry long enough for people to build accordingly
And that's all free, right?

And the land that would be needed is available for this, right?
Catoni
2018-05-11 19:43:23 UTC
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And there's lots of higher ground in south Florida?
It'll be high and dry long enough for people to build accordingly
And that's all free, right?
And the land that would be needed is available for this, right?
Funny thing is.. builders are putting up new fancy luxery hotels in Miami all the time..

New Miami Beach hotels since the end of 2015:

Faena Miami Beach
Nobu Hotel Miami Beach
SLS Brickell
SLS LUX Brickell
Hyde Suites & Residences Midtown Miami
Washington Park Hotel
The Betsy South Beach
The Plymouth Miami
Four Seasons Hotel at The Surf Club
The Greystone Hotel
Hotel Palomar South Beach
Fasano Miami Beach
Collins Park Hotel
Yotel

Lots of builders and investors apparently not very worried/concerned about sea level rise.
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