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Journalists starting to wonder why claims of cheap wind and solar are being matched with skyrocketing bills
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Chom Noamsky
2018-05-16 16:39:43 UTC
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great disconnect
between the actual price of solar and wind power, and what green energy
advocates are claiming.

Every day the RE hype machine trots out stories about the amazing low
cost of wind and solar, and yet power bills continue to rise as more
windy turbins and solarious paneling gets added to a grid.

Either advocates are telling porkies, or journalists are naive dupes.
Probably a little of both, but people are catching on.

Wind and solar are seductive because the "fuel" is truly free, but what
bites proponents in the butt is translating that free fuel into a supply
of reliable power at the end where the consumer plugs-in.

When advocates claim wind and solar are cheap, what they are talking
about the basic cost of bulk production. If that were the whole
picture, they'd win their case, but the whole picture reveals that solar
and wind require considerable support from conventional generation to
make it work. Basically, the extra costs required to make them function
like a conventional power supply (including lots of conventional power),
more than offsets the fuel cost savings.

What you get in the end is a hybrid system with conventional generation
disfavoured, yet still critical to functionality. And because
intermittent RE is given preference, conventional is forced to run less
efficiently than what it is normally capable of.

The bottom line is that solar and wind can't stand on their own two
feet, and in spite of their ability to produce bulk power cheaply, the
costs of supporting them more than offsets the savings.
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2018-05-16 17:03:01 UTC
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The bottom line is that solar and wind can't stand on their own two
feet, and in spite of their ability to produce bulk power cheaply, the
costs of supporting them more than offsets the savings.
nice rational discussion..
in short supply on the internets.
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2018-05-16 19:08:46 UTC
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Every day the RE hype machine trots out stories about the amazing low
cost of wind and solar, and yet power bills continue to rise as more
windy turbins and solarious paneling gets added to a grid.
They have these people shitting themselves over the
thought of the planet growing slightly warmer during
an ice age! Convincing them that wind & solar are
cheap is a piece of cake compared to that...

Remember when they were all repeating the bullshit
about Germany PAYING PEOPLE to use electricity, even
as Germans were paying TWICE THE RATES of most
Americans?

This is brainwashing, pure & simple.





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2018-05-16 23:04:28 UTC
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Every day the RE hype machine trots out stories about the amazing low
cost of wind and solar, and yet power bills continue to rise as more
windy turbins and solarious paneling gets added to a grid.
They have these people shitting themselves over the
thought of the planet growing slightly warmer during
an ice age! Convincing them that wind & solar are
cheap is a piece of cake compared to that...
Consumers are smart enough to know when they are paying more but getting
less, and nothing riles consumers more than getting less bang for the
buck.
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Remember when they were all repeating the bullshit
about Germany PAYING PEOPLE to use electricity, even
as Germans were paying TWICE THE RATES of most
Americans?
People with one more brain cell than a cow just laugh at such drivel.

Yeah, why not pay everyone to take power, all the time, if it's such a
great thing... lol!

The truth is your average RE blogger who writes this shit is some kid
with zits and an attitude and doesn't know a watt from a watt-hour.

They don't get hired because they can think, analyze critically, and
discern facts from opinion, they get hired because they got good marks
in creative writing class and can churn out RE psychobabble by the
virtual meter.

These wet-behind-the-ears kids have never been taught that truth is not
necessarily the same thing as having an opinion, and just because you
have an opinion, doesn't mean the world has to care.

Negative pricing is simply the cheaper option when curtailment costs are
more than paying your customers to take surplus power. You lose money
either way, you just lose less than you would if you had to shut plants
down for a short period.

Negative pricing is actually a sign that a generation system is very,
very dysfunctional.
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2018-05-16 19:54:37 UTC
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great disconnect between
the actual price of solar and wind power, and what green energy advocates are
claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
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2018-05-16 20:04:19 UTC
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great disconnect
between the actual price of solar and wind power, and what green
energy advocates are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of studying the topic.

Who would you like me to cite?
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2018-05-16 22:13:08 UTC
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great disconnect between
the actual price of solar and wind power, and what green energy advocates
are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of studying the topic.
Who would you like me to cite?
As we have so frequently seen, you routinely lie about the
topic here and your personal opinions are worthless. All you
need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".

The mere presence of wind and solar on the grid in one or
two places where residential electric bills are high will
not do it. So that eliminates Germany, Denmark, SA, and the
usual red herrings.

And don't bother with the usual lieblogs or rumors from the Daily Caller.
Chom Noamsky
2018-05-16 23:20:04 UTC
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great disconnect
between the actual price of solar and wind power, and what green
energy advocates are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of studying the topic.
Who would you like me to cite?
As we have so frequently seen, you routinely lie about the
topic here and your personal opinions are worthless. All you
need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
The mere presence of wind and solar on the grid in one or
two places where residential electric bills are high will
not do it. So that eliminates Germany, Denmark, SA, and the
usual red herrings.
And don't bother with the usual lieblogs or rumors from the Daily Caller.
"Europe Electricity Price v Installed Wind + Solar Capacity"

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R^2 = 0.84624

Now, correlation (and a very strong correlation at that) doesn't imply
causation, so all you have to do now is come up with an alternate
explanation for why power prices are higher where there is more solar
and wind power.

And... go!
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2018-05-17 00:06:37 UTC
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great disconnect
between the actual price of solar and wind power, and what green energy
advocates are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of studying the topic.
Who would you like me to cite?
As we have so frequently seen, you routinely lie about the
topic here and your personal opinions are worthless. All you
need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
The mere presence of wind and solar on the grid in one or
two places where residential electric bills are high will
not do it. So that eliminates Germany, Denmark, SA, and the
usual red herrings.
And don't bother with the usual lieblogs or rumors from the Daily Caller.
"Europe Electricity Price v Installed Wind + Solar Capacity"
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
R^2 = 0.84624
Now, correlation (and a very strong correlation at that) doesn't imply
causation, so all you have to do now is come up with an alternate explanation
for why power prices are higher where there is more solar and wind power.
And... go!
That tiresome, debunked crap is all you got? All you need to do is cite
specific evidence that wind and solar actually cause "skyrocketing bills".

Apparently that isn't going to happen, and you lied as usual.
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2018-05-17 00:22:25 UTC
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"Europe Electricity Price v Installed Wind + Solar Capacity"
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
R^2 = 0.84624
Now, correlation (and a very strong correlation at that) doesn't imply
causation, so all you have to do now is come up with an alternate explanation
for why power prices are higher where there is more solar and wind power.
And... go!
That tiresome, debunked crap is all you got? All you need to do is cite
specific evidence that wind and solar actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
Apparently that isn't going to happen, and you lied as usual.
Doesn't seem to know the difference between R2, beta, and a confidence
interval, either.
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2018-05-17 00:28:43 UTC
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great
disconnect between the actual price of solar and wind power, and
what green energy advocates are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of studying the topic.
Who would you like me to cite?
As we have so frequently seen, you routinely lie about the
topic here and your personal opinions are worthless. All you
need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
The mere presence of wind and solar on the grid in one or
two places where residential electric bills are high will
not do it. So that eliminates Germany, Denmark, SA, and the
usual red herrings.
And don't bother with the usual lieblogs or rumors from the Daily Caller.
"Europe Electricity Price v Installed Wind + Solar Capacity"
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
R^2 = 0.84624
Now, correlation (and a very strong correlation at that) doesn't imply
causation, so all you have to do now is come up with an alternate
explanation for why power prices are higher where there is more solar
and wind power.
And... go!
That tiresome, debunked crap is all you got?
Debunked where? By whom? And when?

And... go!
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2018-05-17 01:23:15 UTC
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great disconnect
between the actual price of solar and wind power, and what green energy
advocates are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of studying the topic.
Who would you like me to cite?
As we have so frequently seen, you routinely lie about the
topic here and your personal opinions are worthless. All you
need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
The mere presence of wind and solar on the grid in one or
two places where residential electric bills are high will
not do it. So that eliminates Germany, Denmark, SA, and the
usual red herrings.
And don't bother with the usual lieblogs or rumors from the Daily Caller.
"Europe Electricity Price v Installed Wind + Solar Capacity"
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
R^2 = 0.84624
Now, correlation (and a very strong correlation at that) doesn't imply
causation, so all you have to do now is come up with an alternate
explanation for why power prices are higher where there is more solar and
wind power.
And... go!
That tiresome, debunked crap is all you got?
Debunked where? By whom? And when?
We'll get to that later, lieboy. All you need to do is cite specific
evidence that wind and solar actually cause "skyrocketing bills".

Apparently that isn't going to happen, and you lied as usual.
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2018-05-17 01:37:36 UTC
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great
disconnect between the actual price of solar and wind power, and
what green energy advocates are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of studying the topic.
Who would you like me to cite?
As we have so frequently seen, you routinely lie about the
topic here and your personal opinions are worthless. All you
need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
The mere presence of wind and solar on the grid in one or
two places where residential electric bills are high will
not do it. So that eliminates Germany, Denmark, SA, and the
usual red herrings.
And don't bother with the usual lieblogs or rumors from the Daily Caller.
"Europe Electricity Price v Installed Wind + Solar Capacity"
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
R^2 = 0.84624
Now, correlation (and a very strong correlation at that) doesn't
imply causation, so all you have to do now is come up with an
alternate explanation for why power prices are higher where there is
more solar and wind power.
And... go!
That tiresome, debunked crap is all you got?
Debunked where? By whom? And when?
We'll get to that later, lieboy.
Why wait?

? All you need to do is cite specific
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evidence that wind and solar actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
I just did.
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Apparently that isn't going to happen, and you lied as usual.
It already happened.
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2018-05-17 02:17:47 UTC
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great disconnect
between the actual price of solar and wind power, and what green
energy advocates are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of studying the topic.
Who would you like me to cite?
As we have so frequently seen, you routinely lie about the
topic here and your personal opinions are worthless. All you
need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
The mere presence of wind and solar on the grid in one or
two places where residential electric bills are high will
not do it. So that eliminates Germany, Denmark, SA, and the
usual red herrings.
And don't bother with the usual lieblogs or rumors from the Daily Caller.
"Europe Electricity Price v Installed Wind + Solar Capacity"
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
R^2 = 0.84624
Now, correlation (and a very strong correlation at that) doesn't imply
causation, so all you have to do now is come up with an alternate
explanation for why power prices are higher where there is more solar and
wind power.
And... go!
That tiresome, debunked crap is all you got?
Debunked where? By whom? And when?
We'll get to that later, lieboy.
Why wait?
? All you need to do is cite specific
Post by Unum
evidence that wind and solar actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
I just did.
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Apparently that isn't going to happen, and you lied as usual.
It already happened.
Keep on running, boy.
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2018-05-17 03:28:43 UTC
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great
disconnect between the actual price of solar and wind power,
and what green energy advocates are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of studying the topic.
Who would you like me to cite?
As we have so frequently seen, you routinely lie about the
topic here and your personal opinions are worthless. All you
need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
The mere presence of wind and solar on the grid in one or
two places where residential electric bills are high will
not do it. So that eliminates Germany, Denmark, SA, and the
usual red herrings.
And don't bother with the usual lieblogs or rumors from the Daily Caller.
"Europe Electricity Price v Installed Wind + Solar Capacity"
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
R^2 = 0.84624
Now, correlation (and a very strong correlation at that) doesn't
imply causation, so all you have to do now is come up with an
alternate explanation for why power prices are higher where there
is more solar and wind power.
And... go!
That tiresome, debunked crap is all you got?
Debunked where? By whom? And when?
We'll get to that later, lieboy.
Why wait?
? All you need to do is cite specific
Post by Unum
evidence that wind and solar actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
I just did.
Post by Unum
Apparently that isn't going to happen, and you lied as usual.
It already happened.
Keep on running, boy.
Nope, still right here, and the graph is still here too.

http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png


So when did this alleged debunking occur, and by whom?
Unum
2018-05-17 04:16:44 UTC
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great disconnect
between the actual price of solar and wind power, and what green
energy advocates are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of studying the topic.
Who would you like me to cite?
As we have so frequently seen, you routinely lie about the
topic here and your personal opinions are worthless. All you
need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
The mere presence of wind and solar on the grid in one or
two places where residential electric bills are high will
not do it. So that eliminates Germany, Denmark, SA, and the
usual red herrings.
And don't bother with the usual lieblogs or rumors from the Daily Caller.
"Europe Electricity Price v Installed Wind + Solar Capacity"
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
R^2 = 0.84624
Now, correlation (and a very strong correlation at that) doesn't imply
causation, so all you have to do now is come up with an alternate
explanation for why power prices are higher where there is more solar
and wind power.
And... go!
That tiresome, debunked crap is all you got?
Debunked where? By whom? And when?
We'll get to that later, lieboy.
Why wait?
? All you need to do is cite specific
Post by Unum
evidence that wind and solar actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
I just did.
Post by Unum
Apparently that isn't going to happen, and you lied as usual.
It already happened.
Keep on running, boy.
Nope, still right here, and the graph is still here too.
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
So when did this alleged debunking occur, and by whom?
We'll get to that later, lieboy. All you need to do is cite specific
evidence that wind and solar actually cause "skyrocketing bills". Or
keep on running, all the same to me.
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2018-05-17 05:15:49 UTC
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great disconnect
between the actual price of solar and wind power, and what green
energy advocates are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of studying the topic.
Who would you like me to cite?
As we have so frequently seen, you routinely lie about the
topic here and your personal opinions are worthless. All you
need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
The mere presence of wind and solar on the grid in one or
two places where residential electric bills are high will
not do it. So that eliminates Germany, Denmark, SA, and the
usual red herrings.
And don't bother with the usual lieblogs or rumors from the Daily Caller.
"Europe Electricity Price v Installed Wind + Solar Capacity"
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
R^2 = 0.84624
Now, correlation (and a very strong correlation at that) doesn't imply
causation, so all you have to do now is come up with an alternate
explanation for why power prices are higher where there is more solar
and wind power.
And... go!
That tiresome, debunked crap is all you got?
Debunked where? By whom? And when?
We'll get to that later, lieboy.
Why wait?
? All you need to do is cite specific
Post by Unum
evidence that wind and solar actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
I just did.
Post by Unum
Apparently that isn't going to happen, and you lied as usual.
It already happened.
Keep on running, boy.
Nope, still right here, and the graph is still here too.
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
So when did this alleged debunking occur, and by whom?
We'll get to that later,
You won't get any kind of hearing until you get to it.

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2018-05-17 05:27:20 UTC
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You be judged by Jeebus and smited down like an infidel.
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2018-05-17 07:16:35 UTC
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great
disconnect between the actual price of solar and wind power,
and what green energy advocates are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of studying the topic.
Who would you like me to cite?
As we have so frequently seen, you routinely lie about the
topic here and your personal opinions are worthless. All you
need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
The mere presence of wind and solar on the grid in one or
two places where residential electric bills are high will
not do it. So that eliminates Germany, Denmark, SA, and the
usual red herrings.
And don't bother with the usual lieblogs or rumors from the Daily Caller.
"Europe Electricity Price v Installed Wind + Solar Capacity"
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
R^2 = 0.84624
Now, correlation (and a very strong correlation at that) doesn't
imply causation, so all you have to do now is come up with an
alternate explanation for why power prices are higher where
there is more solar and wind power.
And... go!
That tiresome, debunked crap is all you got?
Debunked where? By whom? And when?
We'll get to that later, lieboy.
Why wait?
? All you need to do is cite specific
Post by Unum
evidence that wind and solar actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
I just did.
Post by Unum
Apparently that isn't going to happen, and you lied as usual.
It already happened.
Keep on running, boy.
Nope, still right here, and the graph is still here too.
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
So when did this alleged debunking occur, and by whom?
We'll get to that later
Ah, so the alleged debunking never occurred.
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2018-05-17 13:16:21 UTC
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great
disconnect between the actual price of solar and wind power, and
what green energy advocates are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of studying the
topic.
Who would you like me to cite?
As we have so frequently seen, you routinely lie about the
topic here and your personal opinions are worthless. All you
need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
The mere presence of wind and solar on the grid in one or
two places where residential electric bills are high will
not do it. So that eliminates Germany, Denmark, SA, and the
usual red herrings.
And don't bother with the usual lieblogs or rumors from the Daily Caller.
"Europe Electricity Price v Installed Wind + Solar Capacity"
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
R^2 = 0.84624
Now, correlation (and a very strong correlation at that) doesn't
imply causation, so all you have to do now is come up with an
alternate explanation for why power prices are higher where there is
more solar and wind power.
And... go!
That tiresome, debunked crap is all you got?
Debunked where? By whom? And when?
We'll get to that later, lieboy.
Why wait?
? All you need to do is cite specific
Post by Unum
evidence that wind and solar actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
I just did.
Post by Unum
Apparently that isn't going to happen, and you lied as usual.
It already happened.
Keep on running, boy.
Nope, still right here, and the graph is still here too.
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
So when did this alleged debunking occur, and by whom?
We'll get to that later
Ah, so the alleged debunking never occurred.
So wind and solar don't actually cause "skyrocketing bills", and chumpsky
lied as usual.
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great
disconnect between the actual price of solar and wind
power, and what green energy advocates are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of
studying the topic.
Who would you like me to cite?
As we have so frequently seen, you routinely lie about the
topic here and your personal opinions are worthless. All you
need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
The mere presence of wind and solar on the grid in one or
two places where residential electric bills are high will
not do it. So that eliminates Germany, Denmark, SA, and the
usual red herrings.
And don't bother with the usual lieblogs or rumors from the
Daily Caller.
"Europe Electricity Price v Installed Wind + Solar Capacity"
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
R^2 = 0.84624
Now, correlation (and a very strong correlation at that)
doesn't imply causation, so all you have to do now is come up
with an alternate explanation for why power prices are higher
where there is more solar and wind power.
And... go!
That tiresome, debunked crap is all you got?
Debunked where? By whom? And when?
We'll get to that later, lieboy.
Why wait?
? All you need to do is cite specific
Post by Unum
evidence that wind and solar actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
I just did.
Post by Unum
Apparently that isn't going to happen, and you lied as usual.
It already happened.
Keep on running, boy.
Nope, still right here, and the graph is still here too.
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
So when did this alleged debunking occur, and by whom?
We'll get to that later
Ah, so the alleged debunking never occurred.
So wind and solar don't actually cause "skyrocketing bills", and chumpsky
lied as usual.
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Over the last year, the media have published story after story after
story about the declining price of solar panels and wind turbines.

People who read these stories are understandably left with the
impression that the more solar and wind energy we produce, the lower
electricity prices will become.

And yet that’s not what’s happening. In fact, it’s the opposite.

Between 2009 and 2017, the price of solar panels per watt declined by 75
percent while the price of wind turbines per watt declined by 50 percent.

And yet — during the same period — the price of electricity in places
that deployed significant quantities of renewables increased dramatically.

Electricity prices increased by:

51 percent in Germany during its expansion of solar and wind energy from
2006 to 2016;

24 percent in California during its solar energy build-out from 2011 to
2017;

over 100 percent in Denmark since 1995 when it began deploying
renewables (mostly wind) in earnest.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/04/23/if-solar-and-wind-are-so-cheap-why-are-they-making-electricity-more-expensive/
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So wind and solar don't actually cause "skyrocketing bills"
Of course they do. So doesn't nuclear.






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So wind and solar don't actually cause "skyrocketing bills"
Of course they do. So doesn't nuclear.
Except ironically, the countries with the most affordable power have
well-developed nuclear power industries.
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So wind and solar don't actually cause "skyrocketing bills"
Of course they do. So doesn't nuclear.
Except ironically, the countries with the most affordable power have
well-developed nuclear power industries.
That's because they're not paying for it.

Nuclear plants are going to remain a cost even
tens of thousands of years into the future. Oh,
not just the spent fuel but the reactors themselves.

It's similar to the situation with lithium where
the problem is never going away, not even for
orders of magnitudes beyond the time span of the
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So wind and solar don't actually cause "skyrocketing bills"
Of course they do. So doesn't nuclear.
Except ironically, the countries with the most affordable power have
well-developed nuclear power industries.
That's because they're not paying for it.
Nuclear plants are going to remain a cost even
tens of thousands of years into the future. Oh,
not just the spent fuel but the reactors themselves.
There are new designs that can incorporate spent fuel in the fuel cycle.

Spent fuel isn't really spent, the classic reactor only extracts a few
percent of the energy before the fuel is considered "depleted".

Basically, all that waste stockpiled is still an extremely valuable fuel
source.

New fuel cycles could theoretically extract 100% of the energy from the
fuel.

It's the only alternative power source that makes any sense.

Once an economy gets accustomed to high-ERoEI energy sources, there is
no going back.

Wind and solar amount to winding back the clocks 200 years.
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So wind and solar don't actually cause "skyrocketing bills"
Of course they do. So doesn't nuclear.
Except ironically, the countries with the most affordable power have
well-developed nuclear power industries.
That's because they're not paying for it.
Nuclear plants are going to remain a cost even
tens of thousands of years into the future. Oh,
not just the spent fuel but the reactors themselves.
There are new designs that can incorporate spent fuel in the fuel cycle.
Spent fuel isn't really spent, the classic reactor only extracts a few
percent of the energy before the fuel is considered "depleted".
Basically, all that waste stockpiled is still an extremely valuable fuel
source.
New fuel cycles could theoretically extract 100% of the energy from the
fuel.
It's the only alternative power source that makes any sense.
Once an economy gets accustomed to high-ERoEI energy sources, there is
no going back.
Wind and solar amount to winding back the clocks 200 years.
Funny you fail to mention decommissioning costs for a nuclear power plant being passed on to the customer long after energy production has stopped, as the case with germany and california.
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Nuclear plants are going to remain a cost even
tens of thousands of years into the future. Oh,
not just the spent fuel but the reactors themselves.
There are new designs that can incorporate spent fuel in the fuel cycle.
The plants will not be in operation for hundreds of
thousands of years. They will remain a cost for
longer than industrialization has existed, longer
than civilization has existed... longer than our
present interglacial period has lasted... much,
much longer.

Generations we can't even imagine will be paying
for the nuclear power plants we use today.
Post by Chom Noamsky
New fuel cycles could theoretically extract 100% of the energy from the
fuel.
They can't. And even pretending we have crystal
balls telling us that we will, the reactors
themselves will remain deadly dangerous for more
years than we've got... than the next 100
generations have got...
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It's the only alternative power source that makes any sense.
No. Geothermal is the only power source that makes
sense, and like Nuclear we don't really know how
to do it yet, if we ever will.
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Wind and solar amount to winding back the clocks 200 years.
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The plants will not be in operation for hundreds of
thousands of years. They will remain a cost for
longer than industrialization has existed, longer
than civilization has existed...
the technology 1000 years from now would seem like magic to us.
they will be able to easily deal with our primitive spent fuel.
m
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The plants will not be in operation for hundreds of
thousands of years. They will remain a cost for
longer than industrialization has existed, longer
than civilization has existed...
the technology 1000 years from now would seem like magic to us.
they will be able to easily deal with our primitive spent fuel.
m
That's just how it goes, pessimists only see problems, whereas optimists
only see solutions.
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the technology 1000 years from now would seem like magic to us.
they will be able to easily deal with our primitive spent fuel.
m
This is called an "Argument from Ignorance." It's
a fallacious argument, not a valid one, and it
would be tolerated on any highschool debating team.




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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great
disconnect between the actual price of solar and wind power, and
what green energy advocates are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of studying the
topic.
Who would you like me to cite?
As we have so frequently seen, you routinely lie about the
topic here and your personal opinions are worthless. All you
need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
The mere presence of wind and solar on the grid in one or
two places where residential electric bills are high will
not do it. So that eliminates Germany, Denmark, SA, and the
usual red herrings.
And don't bother with the usual lieblogs or rumors from the Daily
Caller.
"Europe Electricity Price v Installed Wind + Solar Capacity"
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
R^2 = 0.84624
Now, correlation (and a very strong correlation at that) doesn't
imply causation, so all you have to do now is come up with an
alternate explanation for why power prices are higher where there is
more solar and wind power.
And... go!
That tiresome, debunked crap is all you got?
Debunked where? By whom? And when?
We'll get to that later, lieboy.
Why wait?
? All you need to do is cite specific
Post by Unum
evidence that wind and solar actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
I just did.
Post by Unum
Apparently that isn't going to happen, and you lied as usual.
It already happened.
Keep on running, boy.
Nope, still right here, and the graph is still here too.
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
So when did this alleged debunking occur, and by whom?
We'll get to that later
Ah, so the alleged debunking never occurred.
So wind and solar don't actually cause "skyrocketing bills", and chumpsky
lied as usual.
That's not a debunking. That is you continuing to make the same false
assertion.

The highest electricity bills in the world are where the greatest amount
of wind and solar are. They are even higher than that, because there are
additional tax dollars subsidizing them.
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great
disconnect between the actual price of solar and wind power, and
what green energy advocates are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of studying the
topic.
Who would you like me to cite?
As we have so frequently seen, you routinely lie about the
topic here and your personal opinions are worthless. All you
need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
The mere presence of wind and solar on the grid in one or
two places where residential electric bills are high will
not do it. So that eliminates Germany, Denmark, SA, and the
usual red herrings.
And don't bother with the usual lieblogs or rumors from the Daily
Caller.
"Europe Electricity Price v Installed Wind + Solar Capacity"
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
R^2 = 0.84624
Now, correlation (and a very strong correlation at that) doesn't
imply causation, so all you have to do now is come up with an
alternate explanation for why power prices are higher where there is
more solar and wind power.
And... go!
That tiresome, debunked crap is all you got?
Debunked where? By whom? And when?
We'll get to that later, lieboy.
Why wait?
? All you need to do is cite specific
Post by Unum
evidence that wind and solar actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
I just did.
Post by Unum
Apparently that isn't going to happen, and you lied as usual.
It already happened.
Keep on running, boy.
Nope, still right here, and the graph is still here too.
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
So when did this alleged debunking occur, and by whom?
We'll get to that later
Ah, so the alleged debunking never occurred.
So wind and solar don't actually cause "skyrocketing bills", and chumpsky
lied as usual.
That's not a debunking. That is you continuing to make the same false
assertion.
All you need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
Post by Mick Heins
The highest electricity bills in the world are where the greatest amount
of wind and solar are. They are even higher than that, because there are
additional tax dollars subsidizing them.
The claim was that "solar and wind require considerable support from
conventional generation to make it work". I've already debunked that.

Wind power in Denmark has almost tripled in the past 10 years but
even the residential price of electricity (not the actual electricity
price) only increased 9%. That's less than inflation.

https://1-stromvergleich.com/download/electricity-prices-europe-2017/
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great
disconnect between the actual price of solar and wind
power, and
what green energy advocates are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of studying the
topic.
Who would you like me to cite?
As we have so frequently seen, you routinely lie about the
topic here and your personal opinions are worthless. All you
need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
The mere presence of wind and solar on the grid in one or
two places where residential electric bills are high will
not do it. So that eliminates Germany, Denmark, SA, and the
usual red herrings.
And don't bother with the usual lieblogs or rumors from the Daily
Caller.
"Europe Electricity Price v Installed Wind + Solar Capacity"
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
R^2 = 0.84624
Now, correlation (and a very strong correlation at that) doesn't
imply causation, so all you have to do now is come up with an
alternate explanation for why power prices are higher where there is
more solar and wind power.
And... go!
That tiresome, debunked crap is all you got?
Debunked where? By whom? And when?
We'll get to that later, lieboy.
Why wait?
? All you need to do is cite specific
Post by Unum
evidence that wind and solar actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
I just did.
Post by Unum
Apparently that isn't going to happen, and you lied as usual.
It already happened.
Keep on running, boy.
Nope, still right here, and the graph is still here too.
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
So when did this alleged debunking occur, and by whom?
We'll get to that later
Ah, so the alleged debunking never occurred.
So wind and solar don't actually cause "skyrocketing bills", and chumpsky
lied as usual.
That's not a debunking. That is you continuing to make the same false
assertion.
All you need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
Post by Mick Heins
The highest electricity bills in the world are where the greatest amount
of wind and solar are. They are even higher than that, because there are
additional tax dollars subsidizing them.
The claim was that "solar and wind require considerable support from
conventional generation to make it work". I've already debunked that.
Wind power in Denmark has almost tripled in the past 10 years but
even the residential price of electricity (not the actual electricity
price) only increased 9%. That's less than inflation.
https://1-stromvergleich.com/download/electricity-prices-europe-2017/
What does Unum do to prove he's right and everybody else wrong? Well, he
produces some data that proves everyone else was right.

Good satire writes itself.

Notice power prices in Unum's chart follow the same distribution as the
plot I provided.

http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png


Apparently the snot-nosed kid is trying to argue that green power taxes
and levies don't count towards the cost of green power.
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great
disconnect between the actual price of solar and wind power, and
what green energy advocates are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of studying the
topic.
Who would you like me to cite?
As we have so frequently seen, you routinely lie about the
topic here and your personal opinions are worthless. All you
need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
The mere presence of wind and solar on the grid in one or
two places where residential electric bills are high will
not do it. So that eliminates Germany, Denmark, SA, and the
usual red herrings.
And don't bother with the usual lieblogs or rumors from the Daily
Caller.
"Europe Electricity Price v Installed Wind + Solar Capacity"
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
R^2 = 0.84624
Now, correlation (and a very strong correlation at that) doesn't
imply causation, so all you have to do now is come up with an
alternate explanation for why power prices are higher where there is
more solar and wind power.
And... go!
That tiresome, debunked crap is all you got?
Debunked where? By whom? And when?
We'll get to that later, lieboy.
Why wait?
? All you need to do is cite specific
Post by Unum
evidence that wind and solar actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
I just did.
Post by Unum
Apparently that isn't going to happen, and you lied as usual.
It already happened.
Keep on running, boy.
Nope, still right here, and the graph is still here too.
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
So when did this alleged debunking occur, and by whom?
We'll get to that later
Ah, so the alleged debunking never occurred.
So wind and solar don't actually cause "skyrocketing bills", and chumpsky
lied as usual.
That's not a debunking. That is you continuing to make the same false
assertion.
All you need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
Post by Mick Heins
The highest electricity bills in the world are where the greatest amount
of wind and solar are. They are even higher than that, because there are
additional tax dollars subsidizing them.
The claim was that "solar and wind require considerable support from
conventional generation to make it work". I've already debunked that.
Wind power in Denmark has almost tripled in the past 10 years but
even the residential price of electricity (not the actual electricity
price) only increased 9%. That's less than inflation.
https://1-stromvergleich.com/download/electricity-prices-europe-2017/
What does Unum do to prove he's right and everybody else wrong? Well, he
produces some data that proves everyone else was right.
Good satire writes itself.
Notice power prices in Unum's chart follow the same distribution as the plot I
provided.
The chart chumpsky was so proud of merely shows that countries with
high taxes on residential electricity have higher residential electric
bills. OMFG this is so hilarious!
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http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
Apparently the snot-nosed kid is trying to argue that green power taxes and
levies don't count towards the cost of green power.
chumpsky's original claim was that "the extra costs required to make them
function like a conventional power supply (including lots of conventional
power), more than offsets the fuel cost savings."

Now he walked it all the way back to some whining about taxes.
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great
disconnect between the actual price of solar and wind
power, and
what green energy advocates are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of
studying the
topic.
Who would you like me to cite?
As we have so frequently seen, you routinely lie about the
topic here and your personal opinions are worthless. All you
need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
The mere presence of wind and solar on the grid in one or
two places where residential electric bills are high will
not do it. So that eliminates Germany, Denmark, SA, and the
usual red herrings.
And don't bother with the usual lieblogs or rumors from
the Daily
Caller.
"Europe Electricity Price v Installed Wind + Solar Capacity"
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
R^2 = 0.84624
Now, correlation (and a very strong correlation at that) doesn't
imply causation, so all you have to do now is come up with an
alternate explanation for why power prices are higher
where there is
more solar and wind power.
And... go!
That tiresome, debunked crap is all you got?
Debunked where? By whom? And when?
We'll get to that later, lieboy.
Why wait?
? All you need to do is cite specific
Post by Unum
evidence that wind and solar actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
I just did.
Post by Unum
Apparently that isn't going to happen, and you lied as usual.
It already happened.
Keep on running, boy.
Nope, still right here, and the graph is still here too.
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
So when did this alleged debunking occur, and by whom?
We'll get to that later
Ah, so the alleged debunking never occurred.
So wind and solar don't actually cause "skyrocketing bills", and chumpsky
lied as usual.
That's not a debunking. That is you continuing to make the same false
assertion.
All you need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
Post by Mick Heins
The highest electricity bills in the world are where the greatest amount
of wind and solar are. They are even higher than that, because there are
additional tax dollars subsidizing them.
The claim was that "solar and wind require considerable support from
conventional generation to make it work". I've already debunked that.
Wind power in Denmark has almost tripled in the past 10 years but
even the residential price of electricity (not the actual electricity
price) only increased 9%. That's less than inflation.
https://1-stromvergleich.com/download/electricity-prices-europe-2017/
What does Unum do to prove he's right and everybody else wrong? Well,
he produces some data that proves everyone else was right.
Good satire writes itself.
Notice power prices in Unum's chart follow the same distribution as
the plot I provided.
The chart chumpsky was so proud of merely shows that countries with
high taxes on residential electricity have higher residential electric
bills. OMFG this is so hilarious!
Post by Chom Noamsky
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
Apparently the snot-nosed kid is trying to argue that green power
taxes and levies don't count towards the cost of green power.
chumpsky's original claim was that "the extra costs required to make them
function like a conventional power supply (including lots of conventional
power), more than offsets the fuel cost savings."
Now he walked it all the way back to some whining about taxes.
So let me get this straight, taxes imposed to pay for green power
systems don't count towards the cost of green power?

No wonder people are susp
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Good thing the media is starting to talk about the great
disconnect between the actual price of solar and wind
power, and
what green energy advocates are claiming.
No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
This is my own personal opinion based on 20 years of studying
the
topic.
Who would you like me to cite?
As we have so frequently seen, you routinely lie about the
topic here and your personal opinions are worthless. All you
need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
The mere presence of wind and solar on the grid in one or
two places where residential electric bills are high will
not do it. So that eliminates Germany, Denmark, SA, and the
usual red herrings.
And don't bother with the usual lieblogs or rumors from the Daily
Caller.
"Europe Electricity Price v Installed Wind + Solar Capacity"
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
R^2 = 0.84624
Now, correlation (and a very strong correlation at that) doesn't
imply causation, so all you have to do now is come up with an
alternate explanation for why power prices are higher where
there is
more solar and wind power.
And... go!
That tiresome, debunked crap is all you got?
Debunked where? By whom? And when?
We'll get to that later, lieboy.
Why wait?
? All you need to do is cite specific
Post by Unum
evidence that wind and solar actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
I just did.
Post by Unum
Apparently that isn't going to happen, and you lied as usual.
It already happened.
Keep on running, boy.
Nope, still right here, and the graph is still here too.
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
So when did this alleged debunking occur, and by whom?
We'll get to that later
Ah, so the alleged debunking never occurred.
So wind and solar don't actually cause "skyrocketing bills", and chumpsky
lied as usual.
That's not a debunking. That is you continuing to make the same false
assertion.
All you need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
Post by Mick Heins
The highest electricity bills in the world are where the greatest amount
of wind and solar are. They are even higher than that, because there are
additional tax dollars subsidizing them.
The claim was that "solar and wind require considerable support from
conventional generation to make it work". I've already debunked that.
Wind power in Denmark has almost tripled in the past 10 years but
even the residential price of electricity (not the actual electricity
price) only increased 9%. That's less than inflation.
https://1-stromvergleich.com/download/electricity-prices-europe-2017/
What does Unum do to prove he's right and everybody else wrong? Well, he
produces some data that proves everyone else was right.
Good satire writes itself.
Notice power prices in Unum's chart follow the same distribution as the
plot I provided.
The chart chumpsky was so proud of merely shows that countries with
high taxes on residential electricity have higher residential electric
bills. OMFG this is so hilarious!
Post by Chom Noamsky
http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/europeelectricprice.png
Apparently the snot-nosed kid is trying to argue that green power taxes and
levies don't count towards the cost of green power.
chumpsky's original claim was that "the extra costs required to make them
function like a conventional power supply (including lots of conventional
power), more than offsets the fuel cost savings."
Now he walked it all the way back to some whining about taxes.
So let me get this straight, taxes imposed to pay for green power systems
don't count towards the cost of green power?
Where is the evidence that taxes on residential electricity all go to
pay for 'green power systems', lieboy? All you need to do is cite
specific evidence that wind and solar actually cause "skyrocketing
bills". Clearly chumpsky can't provide it.
No wonder people are susp
Stepped on your pecker?

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2018-05-18 19:58:10 UTC
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Keep in mind, the links I provide are to posts within
this thread. In other words, "Cites" have already
been provided in this thread, as well as countless
others in different threads...
Post by Unum
All you need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
Like this one here?

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.global-warming/e2CGadLs7-w/tC-GHwsnCQAJ

Or this one:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.global-warming/e2CGadLs7-w/9Owwa0ERAwAJ

You've been given plenty of cites, in plenty of
threads, only to keep demanding them again.

Oh. And the owners of Tesla's "Big Battery"
crowed about the piles of cash they've been making
off the "Alternatives" scheme...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.global-warming/e2CGadLs7-w/i9_Uf1WKCAAJ

Wind & solar can't do it. They're unreliable. They
require massive subsidies, huge investments in
short lived "Battery" farms and/or an all new
grid...

Idiots are even saying we have to switch the economy
from A/C power to D/C to make it all work!



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2018-05-21 19:21:35 UTC
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Post by JTEM is right
Keep in mind, the links I provide are to posts within
this thread. In other words, "Cites" have already
been provided in this thread, as well as countless
others in different threads...
Post by Unum
All you need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
Like this one here?
So, absolutely nothing.
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2018-05-21 22:18:22 UTC
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Post by Unum
Post by JTEM is right
Keep in mind, the links I provide are to posts within
this thread. In other words, "Cites" have already
been provided in this thread, as well as countless
others in different threads...
Post by Unum
All you need to do is cite specific evidence that wind and solar
actually cause "skyrocketing bills".
Like this one here?
So, absolutely nothing.
Moral: you kin prove anythin to yourself if yer a touch delusional.
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into account, then find out the adjustment retards apparent US warming
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After the Drudge Report promoted a report of this allegation by the
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