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America’s wind energy industry passed a major milestone
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Unum
2017-08-11 01:33:02 UTC
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https://thinkprogress.org/wind-industry-continues-to-boom-7c5a2fcdfdae/

The wind energy industry reached an important milestone in 2016 when it passed
the generating capacity of hydroelectric power for the first time to become
the nation’s top renewable generating source. Wind energy’s growth — at least
in the next few years — is showing few signs of slowing down, with 142,000
megawatts of new and proposed wind capacity lined up to connect to the
nation’s electric power grid, according to new data released by the Department
of Energy.

The total amount of wind capacity in the queue represents 34 percent of all
generating capacity waiting to connect to the grid, higher than all other
generating sources, DOE said. The wind energy industry added more than 8,200
megawatts of capacity in 2016, representing 27 percent of all energy capacity
additions for that year.

Technological innovations are helping wind turbines optimize their performance
by reaching stronger, steadier winds, according to the American Wind Energy
Association, the primary trade association for the wind power industry. Longer
blades have helped to boost new wind turbine performance, with wind projects
built in 2014 and 2015 reporting a 42.5 percent average capacity factor in
2016, compared to a 32.1 percent capacity factor for projects built between
2004 and 2011, AWEA said in press release Wednesday.
Wally W.
2017-08-11 03:19:26 UTC
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The wind energy industry reached an important milestone in 2016 when it passed
the generating capacity of hydroelectric power
Maybe in connected GW (power) capacity, but not GWh (energy)
production.

Hydro plants generate power and produce stable energy whether the wind
blows or not.

Does that inconvenient truth burst your bubble?
Paul Aubrin
2017-08-11 07:02:32 UTC
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The wind energy industry reached an important milestone in 2016 when it
passed the generating capacity of hydroelectric power
Maybe in connected GW (power) capacity, but not GWh (energy) production.
Hydro plants generate power and produce stable energy whether the wind
blows or not.
Does that inconvenient truth burst your bubble?
Yet Unum's information is interesting. It means that hydroelectricity
alone is no more enough to compensate for the hieratic wind production
and that more wind turbines will now imply more gas peakers.
Unum
2017-08-11 22:53:39 UTC
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Post by Unum
The wind energy industry reached an important milestone in 2016 when it
passed the generating capacity of hydroelectric power
Maybe in connected GW (power) capacity, but not GWh (energy) production.
Hydro plants generate power and produce stable energy whether the wind
blows or not.
Does that inconvenient truth burst your bubble?
Yet Unum's information is interesting. It means that hydroelectricity
alone is no more enough to compensate for the hieratic wind production
and that more wind turbines will now imply more gas peakers.
Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and ever-increasing
drought cycles means hydro power can be unavailable for years.
AlleyCat
2017-08-12 01:30:10 UTC
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On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 17:53:39 -0500, Unum says...
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Post by Paul Aubrin
Yet Unum's information is interesting. It means that hydroelectricity
alone is no more enough to compensate for the hieratic wind production
and that more wind turbines will now imply more gas peakers.
Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and ever-increasing
drought cycles means hydro power can be unavailable for years.
Tee hee... your funny.

ONE drought (that's OVER, by the way) in California, and suddenly ALL the
hydroelectric dams aren't outputting electricity.

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I take it back... you're not funny... you're sad.

Please... can you show us the "dried up" dams, that are no longer
providing electricity due to "drought"?

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Rudy Canoza
2017-08-12 02:34:23 UTC
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Every word you write about global warming is bullshit. You don't know a
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What you know about are right-wingnut fake news sites that specialize in
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Fuck off.
SeaSnake
2017-08-12 17:21:09 UTC
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Every word you write about global warming is bullshit. You don't know a
fucking thing about
I KNOW!

The southern hemisphere has been COOLING!


https://www.sott.net/article/353204-Southern-Hemisphere-cooling-trend-is-now-apparent

David Archibald has today given the most up to date information on our
Sun entering a grand solar minimum and the State of the Sun, now with
the past 5 winters under our belts we can look for trends. I present to
you the trend of a cooling Southern Hemisphere.


Ya know, a planet has TWO hemispheres.

HTH, little man Ball.
Unum
2017-08-12 04:22:10 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 17:53:39 -0500, Unum says...
Post by Unum
Post by Paul Aubrin
Yet Unum's information is interesting. It means that hydroelectricity
alone is no more enough to compensate for the hieratic wind production
and that more wind turbines will now imply more gas peakers.
Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and ever-increasing
drought cycles means hydro power can be unavailable for years.
Tee hee... your funny.
ONE drought (that's OVER, by the way) in California, and suddenly ALL the
hydroelectric dams aren't outputting electricity.
ratboy thinks there's been ONE drought and it was just in California. OMFG
this is so hilarious!

https://thinkprogress.org/wind-industry-continues-to-boom-7c5a2fcdfdae/

The wind energy industry reached an important milestone in 2016 when it passed
the generating capacity of hydroelectric power for the first time to become
the nation’s top renewable generating source. Wind energy’s growth — at least
in the next few years — is showing few signs of slowing down, with 142,000
megawatts of new and proposed wind capacity lined up to connect to the
nation’s electric power grid, according to new data released by the Department
of Energy.

The total amount of wind capacity in the queue represents 34 percent of all
generating capacity waiting to connect to the grid, higher than all other
generating sources, DOE said. The wind energy industry added more than 8,200
megawatts of capacity in 2016, representing 27 percent of all energy capacity
additions for that year.
AlleyCat
2017-08-12 05:25:43 UTC
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On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 23:22:10 -0500, Unum says...
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Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 17:53:39 -0500, Unum says...
Post by Unum
Post by Paul Aubrin
Yet Unum's information is interesting. It means that hydroelectricity
alone is no more enough to compensate for the hieratic wind production
and that more wind turbines will now imply more gas peakers.
Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and ever-increasing
drought cycles means hydro power can be unavailable for years.
Tee hee... your funny.
ONE drought (that's OVER, by the way) in California, and suddenly ALL the
hydroelectric dams aren't outputting electricity.
Basement Dwelling Wittle Mommy's Boy Can't Point To ONE Hydroelectric Dam
That Has "Dried Up" Due To Drought... Not ONE

[giggle]

Whatsa matta, nerd... afraid of looking like a dick... too late.

Please... show us the "dried up" dams, that are no longer providing
electricity due to "drought"?

http://i.imgur.com/VoeNxEf.jpg

You can't... because you're a liar. I'll make it easier for you... show us
where the "other" droughts were, and point out the dams that stopped
putting out electricity.

http://i.imgur.com/VoeNxEf.jpg
Unum
2017-08-12 17:31:56 UTC
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On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 23:22:10 -0500, Unum says...
Subject: Re: America's wind energy industry passed a major milestone
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Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 17:53:39 -0500, Unum says...
Post by Unum
Post by Paul Aubrin
Yet Unum's information is interesting. It means that hydroelectricity
alone is no more enough to compensate for the hieratic wind production
and that more wind turbines will now imply more gas peakers.
Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and ever-increasing
drought cycles means hydro power can be unavailable for years.
Tee hee... your funny.
ONE drought (that's OVER, by the way) in California, and suddenly ALL the
hydroelectric dams aren't outputting electricity.
Basement Dwelling Wittle Mommy's Boy Can't Point To ONE Hydroelectric Dam
That Has "Dried Up" Due To Drought... Not ONE
So there hasn't been just "ONE drought", you sad little moron? Keep
on running, boy.
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[giggle]
Whatsa matta, nerd... afraid of looking like a dick... too late.
Please... show us the "dried up" dams, that are no longer providing
electricity due to "drought"?
Nobody said anything about "dried up", dumbass. All it takes is
a significant reduction in reservoir level.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=16731

"Brazil has spent more than $5 billion to subsidize electric utilities
replacing lost hydroelectric generation with fossil fuel-fired generation,
including large amounts of liquefied natural gas, and has taken steps to
provide backup generation for stadiums."
Wally W.
2017-08-12 17:44:33 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 17:53:39 -0500, Unum says...
Post by Unum
Post by Paul Aubrin
Yet Unum's information is interesting. It means that hydroelectricity
alone is no more enough to compensate for the hieratic wind production
and that more wind turbines will now imply more gas peakers.
Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and ever-increasing
drought cycles means hydro power can be unavailable for years.
Tee hee... your funny.
ONE drought (that's OVER, by the way) in California, and suddenly ALL the
hydroelectric dams aren't outputting electricity.
Basement Dwelling Wittle Mommy's Boy Can't Point To ONE Hydroelectric Dam
That Has "Dried Up" Due To Drought... Not ONE
So there hasn't been just "ONE drought", you sad little moron? Keep
on running, boy.
Post by AlleyCat
[giggle]
Whatsa matta, nerd... afraid of looking like a dick... too late.
Please... show us the "dried up" dams, that are no longer providing
electricity due to "drought"?
Nobody said anything about "dried up", dumbass. All it takes is
a significant reduction in reservoir level.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=16731
"Brazil has spent more than $5 billion to subsidize electric utilities
replacing lost hydroelectric generation with fossil fuel-fired generation,
including large amounts of liquefied natural gas, and has taken steps to
provide backup generation for stadiums."
A *reduction* in reservoir level means the reservoir level is being
maintained.

Your "hydro power can be unavailable for years" due to drought is not
consistent with your later statement about a sustained *reduction* in
reservoir level.

Are you going to play the "word choice" game again? Are you going to
use Accident's word-parsing defense?

Or are you unable to express yourself clearly about the dangers of
anthropo**centric** (to use your "word choice") global warming?

Everyone in life has a purpose,
even if it's to serve as a bad example - Carroll Bryant
SeaSnake
2017-08-12 18:00:56 UTC
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Nobody said anything about "dried up", dumbass. All it takes is
a significant reduction in reservoir level.
Caliphonya!

Where they pump groundwater without ANY restrictions!

Brilliant, Gov. Moonbeam.
SeaSnake
2017-08-12 17:28:59 UTC
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The total amount of wind capacity in the queue represents 34 percent of all
generating capacity waiting to connect to the grid, higher than all other
generating sources, DOE said.
Sadly it is ephemeral, not constant, unable to be properly stored for
off-peak generating use.

Do you dumb fucks get that?
Paul Aubrin
2017-08-12 13:06:32 UTC
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The wind energy industry reached an important milestone in 2016 when
it passed the generating capacity of hydroelectric power
Maybe in connected GW (power) capacity, but not GWh (energy)
production.
Hydro plants generate power and produce stable energy whether the wind
blows or not.
Does that inconvenient truth burst your bubble?
Yet Unum's information is interesting. It means that hydroelectricity
alone is no more enough to compensate for the hieratic wind production
and that more wind turbines will now imply more gas peakers.
Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and ever-increasing
drought cycles means hydro power can be unavailable for years.
So even more fossil fuel plants are already needed to stabilise the grid.
Unum
2017-08-12 17:19:42 UTC
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The wind energy industry reached an important milestone in 2016 when
it passed the generating capacity of hydroelectric power
Maybe in connected GW (power) capacity, but not GWh (energy) production.
Hydro plants generate power and produce stable energy whether the wind
blows or not.
Does that inconvenient truth burst your bubble?
Yet Unum's information is interesting. It means that hydroelectricity
alone is no more enough to compensate for the hieratic wind production
and that more wind turbines will now imply more gas peakers.
Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and ever-increasing
drought cycles means hydro power can be unavailable for years.
So even more fossil fuel plants are already needed to stabilise the grid.
No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
Wally W.
2017-08-12 17:37:13 UTC
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The wind energy industry reached an important milestone in 2016 when
it passed the generating capacity of hydroelectric power
Maybe in connected GW (power) capacity, but not GWh (energy) production.
Hydro plants generate power and produce stable energy whether the wind
blows or not.
Does that inconvenient truth burst your bubble?
Yet Unum's information is interesting. It means that hydroelectricity
alone is no more enough to compensate for the hieratic wind production
and that more wind turbines will now imply more gas peakers.
Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and ever-increasing
drought cycles means hydro power can be unavailable for years.
So even more fossil fuel plants are already needed to stabilise the grid.
No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
Unum retreats to abusive ad hom #5.

Keep on running, boy.
Paul Aubrin
2017-08-13 09:51:43 UTC
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Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and ever-increasing
drought cycles means hydro power can be unavailable for years.
So even more fossil fuel plants are already needed to stabilise the grid.
No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
It is pure logic, no need to cite an authority.
Unum
2017-08-13 18:02:33 UTC
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Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and ever-increasing
drought cycles means hydro power can be unavailable for years.
So even more fossil fuel plants are already needed to stabilise the grid.
No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
It is pure logic, no need to cite an authority.
aubrin can't come up with a single thing that corroborates his claim.
Paul Aubrin
2017-08-13 18:12:03 UTC
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Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and ever-increasing
drought cycles means hydro power can be unavailable for years.
So even more fossil fuel plants are already needed to stabilise the grid.
No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
It is pure logic, no need to cite an authority.
aubrin can't come up with a single thing that corroborates his claim.
So you ignore a grid needs peakers, which can ramp up and down very
quickly, to compensate the variations of the load, and of those of the
variable generators. The variable generator there are, the more peakers
you need. So a lot of wind means a lot of on-demand generators too.
Nobody
2017-08-13 18:37:24 UTC
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Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and
ever-increasing drought cycles means hydro power can be
unavailable for years.
So even more fossil fuel plants are already needed to
stabilise the grid.
No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
It is pure logic, no need to cite an authority.
aubrin can't come up with a single thing that corroborates his claim.
So you ignore a grid needs peakers, which can ramp up and down
very quickly, to compensate the variations of the load, and of
those of the variable generators. The variable generator there
are, the more peakers you need. So a lot of wind means a lot of
on-demand generators too.
Paul, you are trying to talk sense to the village idiot.
It is much like explaining something to gordo
Unum
2017-08-13 19:29:47 UTC
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Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and
ever-increasing drought cycles means hydro power can be
unavailable for years.
So even more fossil fuel plants are already needed to
stabilise the grid.
No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
It is pure logic, no need to cite an authority.
aubrin can't come up with a single thing that corroborates his claim.
So you ignore a grid needs peakers, which can ramp up and down
very quickly, to compensate the variations of the load, and of
those of the variable generators. The variable generator there
are, the more peakers you need. So a lot of wind means a lot of
on-demand generators too.
Paul, you are trying to talk sense to the village idiot.
It is much like explaining something to gordo
dumbody can't come up with a cite either, hilarious!
Nobody
2017-08-14 02:17:30 UTC
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Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and
ever-increasing drought cycles means hydro power can be
unavailable for years.
So even more fossil fuel plants are already needed to
stabilise the grid.
No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
It is pure logic, no need to cite an authority.
aubrin can't come up with a single thing that corroborates his claim.
So you ignore a grid needs peakers, which can ramp up and down
very quickly, to compensate the variations of the load, and of
those of the variable generators. The variable generator there
are, the more peakers you need. So a lot of wind means a lot of
on-demand generators too.
Paul, you are trying to talk sense to the village idiot.
It is much like explaining something to gordo
dumbody can't come up with a cite either, hilarious!
No need to. You are the one that made the claim. YOU have to come up
with a link.
You are as stunned as your mentor gordo.
Unum
2017-08-14 18:29:26 UTC
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Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and
ever-increasing drought cycles means hydro power can be
unavailable for years.
So even more fossil fuel plants are already needed to
stabilise the grid.
No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
It is pure logic, no need to cite an authority.
aubrin can't come up with a single thing that corroborates his claim.
So you ignore a grid needs peakers, which can ramp up and down
very quickly, to compensate the variations of the load, and of
those of the variable generators. The variable generator there
are, the more peakers you need. So a lot of wind means a lot of
on-demand generators too.
Paul, you are trying to talk sense to the village idiot.
It is much like explaining something to gordo
dumbody can't come up with a cite either, hilarious!
No need to. You are the one that made the claim. YOU have to come up
with a link.
I already provided cites for my statements here, dumbass.
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You are as stunned as your mentor gordo.
As usual, all you've got is a big fat nasty yap. Still desperate
to redirect followups, you pathetic coward?
Nobody
2017-08-14 19:04:40 UTC
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Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and
ever-increasing drought cycles means hydro power can be
unavailable for years.
So even more fossil fuel plants are already needed to
stabilise the grid.
No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
It is pure logic, no need to cite an authority.
aubrin can't come up with a single thing that corroborates his claim.
So you ignore a grid needs peakers, which can ramp up and down
very quickly, to compensate the variations of the load, and of
those of the variable generators. The variable generator there
are, the more peakers you need. So a lot of wind means a lot of
on-demand generators too.
Paul, you are trying to talk sense to the village idiot.
It is much like explaining something to gordo
dumbody can't come up with a cite either, hilarious!
No need to. You are the one that made the claim. YOU have to come up
with a link.
I already provided cites for my statements here, dumbass.
Post by Nobody
You are as stunned as your mentor gordo.
As usual, all you've got is a big fat nasty yap. Still desperate
to redirect followups, you pathetic coward?
Not really. I put that there because that's where your moronic drivel
belongs.
Unum
2017-08-14 22:50:35 UTC
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Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and
ever-increasing drought cycles means hydro power can be
unavailable for years.
So even more fossil fuel plants are already needed to
stabilise the grid.
No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
It is pure logic, no need to cite an authority.
aubrin can't come up with a single thing that corroborates his claim.
So you ignore a grid needs peakers, which can ramp up and down
very quickly, to compensate the variations of the load, and of
those of the variable generators. The variable generator there
are, the more peakers you need. So a lot of wind means a lot of
on-demand generators too.
Paul, you are trying to talk sense to the village idiot.
It is much like explaining something to gordo
dumbody can't come up with a cite either, hilarious!
No need to. You are the one that made the claim. YOU have to come
up
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with a link.
I already provided cites for my statements here, dumbass.
Post by Nobody
You are as stunned as your mentor gordo.
As usual, all you've got is a big fat nasty yap. Still desperate
to redirect followups, you pathetic coward?
Not really. I put that there because that's where your moronic drivel
belongs.
Sniveling little coward is deathly afraid of replies to his garbage.
Nobody
2017-08-15 19:53:32 UTC
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Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and
ever-increasing drought cycles means hydro power can be
unavailable for years.
So even more fossil fuel plants are already needed to
stabilise the grid.
No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
It is pure logic, no need to cite an authority.
aubrin can't come up with a single thing that corroborates his claim.
So you ignore a grid needs peakers, which can ramp up and
down very quickly, to compensate the variations of the load,
and of those of the variable generators. The variable
generator there are, the more peakers you need. So a lot of
wind means a lot of on-demand generators too.
Paul, you are trying to talk sense to the village idiot.
It is much like explaining something to gordo
dumbody can't come up with a cite either, hilarious!
No need to. You are the one that made the claim. YOU have to come
up
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with a link.
I already provided cites for my statements here, dumbass.
Post by Nobody
You are as stunned as your mentor gordo.
As usual, all you've got is a big fat nasty yap. Still desperate
to redirect followups, you pathetic coward?
Not really. I put that there because that's where your moronic
drivel belongs.
Sniveling little coward is deathly afraid of replies to his
garbage.
Unum, there isn't anyone on the entire planet that would be afraid of
you or anything you say and you know it.

Little yapping lap dogs like you love to talk tough but piss down
both legs when the shit really hits the fan.

Now go away and pester someone that actually gives a fuck about the
stupidity you have to offer.

Unum
2017-08-13 19:28:59 UTC
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Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and ever-increasing
drought cycles means hydro power can be unavailable for years.
So even more fossil fuel plants are already needed to stabilise the grid.
No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
It is pure logic, no need to cite an authority.
aubrin can't come up with a single thing that corroborates his claim.
So you ignore a grid needs peakers, which can ramp up and down very
quickly, to compensate the variations of the load, and of those of the
variable generators. The variable generator there are, the more peakers
you need. So a lot of wind means a lot of on-demand generators too.
No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
Wally W.
2017-08-13 20:30:43 UTC
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Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and ever-increasing
drought cycles means hydro power can be unavailable for years.
So even more fossil fuel plants are already needed to stabilise the grid.
No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
It is pure logic, no need to cite an authority.
aubrin can't come up with a single thing that corroborates his claim.
So you ignore a grid needs peakers, which can ramp up and down very
quickly, to compensate the variations of the load, and of those of the
variable generators. The variable generator there are, the more peakers
you need. So a lot of wind means a lot of on-demand generators too.
No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
As if we would see a mea culpa from Unum if someone posts a cite that
states the obvious and lays waste to Unum's inconvenient half-truths.

When was the last time there should have been a mea culpa from Unum?

When was the last time we saw a mea culpa from Unum?
Nobody
2017-08-14 02:18:30 UTC
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Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and
ever-increasing drought cycles means hydro power can be
unavailable for years.
So even more fossil fuel plants are already needed to
stabilise the grid.
No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
It is pure logic, no need to cite an authority.
aubrin can't come up with a single thing that corroborates his claim.
So you ignore a grid needs peakers, which can ramp up and down
very quickly, to compensate the variations of the load, and of
those of the variable generators. The variable generator there
are, the more peakers you need. So a lot of wind means a lot of
on-demand generators too.
No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
As if we would see a mea culpa from Unum if someone posts a cite
that states the obvious and lays waste to Unum's inconvenient
half-truths.
When was the last time there should have been a mea culpa from
Unum?
When was the last time we saw a mea culpa from Unum?
Wally, do you actually expect that from Unum?
I mean his mentor is gordo and gordo is well known for the same
behaviour.
Paul Aubrin
2017-08-14 08:36:20 UTC
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No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
As if we would see a mea culpa from Unum if someone posts a cite that
states the obvious and lays waste to Unum's inconvenient half-truths.
When was the last time there should have been a mea culpa from Unum?
When was the last time we saw a mea culpa from Unum?
Wally, do you actually expect that from Unum?
I mean his mentor is gordo and gordo is well known for the same
behaviour.
For lack of interest for gossips, I seldom read Unum's posts. But those I
see never contain any link to an external evidence, and most generally no
evidence at all. Unum seems to believe that what he says is authoritative
just because he is Unum.
Nobody
2017-08-14 19:07:10 UTC
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No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
As if we would see a mea culpa from Unum if someone posts a cite
that states the obvious and lays waste to Unum's inconvenient
half-truths.
When was the last time there should have been a mea culpa from Unum?
When was the last time we saw a mea culpa from Unum?
Wally, do you actually expect that from Unum?
I mean his mentor is gordo and gordo is well known for the same
behaviour.
For lack of interest for gossips, I seldom read Unum's posts. But
those I see never contain any link to an external evidence, and
most generally no evidence at all. Unum seems to believe that what
he says is authoritative just because he is Unum.
The mentally handicapped often have delusions of grandeur.
Unum is a prime example of this.
I am convinced that his infatuation with gordo may have had some
additional effect.
Paul Aubrin
2017-08-14 08:27:31 UTC
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So you ignore a grid needs peakers, which can ramp up and down very
quickly, to compensate the variations of the load, and of those of the
variable generators. The variable generator there are, the more
peakers you need. So a lot of wind means a lot of on-demand generators
too.
No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.
As if we would see a mea culpa from Unum if someone posts a cite that
states the obvious and lays waste to Unum's inconvenient half-truths.
Unum would like we imagine that there are academic publications on grid
management with simple physic laws relating wind penetration and gas
peakers capacity. Electrical grids are managed by a few industrial
actors, not academics. Yet there is an interesting web site called
"energy matters" with some tutorials for unum.

In this one, for example, the author develop five scenarios to de-
carbonise UK.
http://euanmearns.com/decarbonizing-uk-electricity-generation-five-
options-that-will-work/
In scenario five, the one with higher wind penetration, figure 3 shows
the remaining gas generation needs. They reach more than 25GW of
generation capacity, although they are seldom used. So even gas is only
10% of total generation (on the average), tens of gigawatt of gas
capacity would still be needed to keep the grid up and running.

The Gorona del Viento experiment was also designed to turn electrical
generation to 100% renewable in the island of El Hierro. Due to an
underestimation of the generation capacity needed to stabilise the grid
the goal is not met. El Hierro electricity, on the average, is only 40%
renewable, which is a real achievement, but much lower than what was
expected when the installation was designed.
The details are here:
http://euanmearns.com/el-hierro-portal/
Bob F
2017-08-12 15:59:08 UTC
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The wind energy industry reached an important milestone in 2016 when it
passed the generating capacity of hydroelectric power
Maybe in connected GW (power) capacity, but not GWh (energy) production.
Hydro plants generate power and produce stable energy whether the wind
blows or not.
Does that inconvenient truth burst your bubble?
Yet Unum's information is interesting. It means that hydroelectricity
alone is no more enough to compensate for the hieratic wind production
and that more wind turbines will now imply more gas peakers.
Hydroelectricity is dependent upon water supply, and ever-increasing
drought cycles means hydro power can be unavailable for years.
That's a great reason to promote solar and wind power in areas with
hydro. The more solar and wind power, the less drain on the hydro
reservoirs, and the better they can handle the demand when needed. They
become the cheapest storage battery around.
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