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EV to be 1/2 price of fossil cars by 2030
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M***@kymhorsell.com
2019-04-14 22:46:15 UTC
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Bloomberg published an article over the weekend that predicted
price parity between electric and gas cars in the next 5-10 y.
But here's the Tele's version.

<https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1109797/Electric-car-cost-petrol-2030-price-drop>

Electric cars to cost half as much as petrol and diesel cars by 2030

ELECTRIC cars could cost half the amount of petrol equivalents by
2030, claims a new report.

Luke John Smith
05 Apr 2019 08:52

A new report has revealed that the purchase cost of electric cars
could be equal to petrol and diesel equivalents within the 5 to 10 years.

The International Council on Clean Transportation says that as
electric cars become more popular and battery prices drop the overall
cost of EVs will be in line with petrol and diesel.

When the total cost of ownership is taken in to account including fuel
costs and maintenance and a reduction in R&D research prices, the
overall prove of EVs should tumble, reports The Driven.

Prices for these electric cars could, therefore, tumble to half the
price of petrol by 2025, according to the report.

Lower range EVs will be the first to drop in price, which should occur
by 2024-2025, says the report, while longer range models expect to
cost less by 2026-2028.

Electric cars cost significantly more than equivalent petrol and
diesel cars which is largely due to the high price of the battery.

Currently, battery pack costs per kilowatt-hour range from $130-184
according to industry reports and announcements.

Improvements in cathode chemistry and energy density could see battery
pack costs drop from $104/kWh by 2025 and $72/kWh by 2030.

An industry survey conducted by Bloomberg Nw Energy Finance these
costs could even drop to as low as $62/kWh.

Indirect costs associate with an electric car such as development,
depreciation, and amortised costs are also expected to drop by around
70 per cent.

EVs with less powerful motors will benefit from the cost reductions in
the industry first. Motors up to 150kW in power will see price parity
achieved by 2024-25.

Motorists to 250kW are expected to cost less than ICE equivalents by
2025. The reasons for this have been citied as due to the total cost
of ownership, including taxes, maintenance, fuel or electricity
charges, dealer market, and profit margin.

However, the report states that the goal EV fleet must be nurtured and
govts need to be offer incentives to increase the ownership.

"The relative progress in Norway underscores the importance of
incentives. But it also underscores the insufficiency of cost parity
to transition to an all-electric market; if cost parity was the only
critical barrier, markets with such compelling incentives would more
rapidly approach 100% electric.

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JTEM is Remarkably Flexible
2019-04-14 23:01:27 UTC
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Post by M***@kymhorsell.com
Electric cars to cost half as much as petrol and diesel cars by 2030
All you have to do is slap ridiculous amounts of taxes on fossil fuel
cars, and artificially make them more expensive.

It's WAY cheaper to build a fossil fuel car.





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Bret Cahill
2019-04-15 03:52:40 UTC
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Electric cars to cost half as much as petrol and diesel cars by 2030
All you have to do is slap ridiculous amounts of taxes on fossil fuel
cars, and artificially make them more expensive.
Actually you get $$$ eber time Al Gore gets on a small jet

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R Kym Horsell
2019-04-15 07:12:18 UTC
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Post by M***@kymhorsell.com
Electric cars to cost half as much as petrol and diesel cars by 2030
All you have to do is slap ridiculous amounts of taxes on fossil fuel
cars, and artificially make them more expensive.
Actually you get $$$ eber time Al Gore gets on a small jet
...
When hillbillies lern dey been tricked to pay 4x more for fuel
over da pas hunned yeers maybe this carbon tax is not gunna prove quit
as lucrativ for us elites dan al gore has dun tol us.

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hybrid/EV 20% waste heat
Bret Cahill
2019-04-16 04:29:57 UTC
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Post by M***@kymhorsell.com
Electric cars to cost half as much as petrol and diesel cars by 2030
All you have to do is slap ridiculous amounts of taxes on fossil fuel
cars, and artificially make them more expensive.
Actually you get $$$ eber time Al Gore gets on a small jet
...
When hillbillies lern
LOL!
Post by R Kym Horsell
dey been tricked to pay 4x more for fuel
over da pas hunned yeers maybe this carbon tax is not gunna prove quit
as lucrativ for us elites dan al gore has dun tol us.
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ICE 80% waste heat
hybrid/EV 20% waste heat
Chom Noamsky
2019-04-16 00:42:17 UTC
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Electric cars to cost half as much as petrol and diesel cars by 2030
All you have to do is slap ridiculous amounts of taxes on fossil fuel
cars, and artificially make them more expensive.
It's WAY cheaper to build a fossil fuel car.
After the EV incentive program was shitcanned in Ontario, sales of EVs
dropped 80%.

Yep, 4-in-5 are only interested in 'lectric cars if govt pays them to
buy one.
JTEM is Remarkably Flexible
2019-04-16 05:18:38 UTC
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After the EV incentive program was shitcanned in Ontario, sales of EVs
dropped 80%.
Yep, 4-in-5 are only interested in 'lectric cars if govt pays them to
buy one.
Like I've said in the past: It's as if they intentionally
chose "Solutions" that can't work, spending money like a
drunken sailor, just so they can later claims, "Oh well, we
tried! We really tried!"

The incentives are all wrong! No matter how big a subsidy
the EVs don't fit our economy, our culture, our cities. If
all that cash had instead gone to gas stations that offer
hydrogen or natural gas service they could have taken far
more gasoline cars off the roads, sold far more "Alternatives."

The air would be cleaner. Existing cars could be converted.
There'd be no need for a massive reinvention of the
infrastructure...

Tesla says they can't make a profit off of a $35k car,
not including taxes. A natural gas powered car can
be built for little more than any conventional car...

So, yes, if I wanted to make it look like I cared about
"CO2" and the "Environment," but actually hoped for the
tiniest possible return on any investment, I would've
gone for EVs as well...





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