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10% of Idiot "Scientists" Are 99.99 Percent Sure Humans Caused Climate Change' - What Do REAL Scientists Say?
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AlleyCat
2019-03-13 04:45:28 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:23:02 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr., champion of the
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Nothing provable.

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Climate Change: What Do Scientists Say?
RICHARD LINDZEN

I'm an atmospheric physicist. I've published more than 200 scientific
papers. For 30 years I taught at MIT, during which time the climate has
changed remarkably little.

But the cry of "global warming" has grown ever more shrill. In fact, it
seems that the less the climate changes, the louder the voices of the
climate alarmists get.

So, let's clear the air and create a more accurate picture of where we
really stand on the issue of global warming or, as it is now called -
"climate change."

There are basically three groups of people dealing with this issue. Groups
one and two are scientists. Group three consists mostly, at its core, of
politicians, environmentalists and the media.

Group one is associated with the scientific part of the United Nation's
International Panel on Climate Change or IPCC (Working Group 1). These are
scientists who mostly believe that recent climate change is primarily due
to man's burning of fossil fuels-oil, coal and natural gas.

This releases C02, carbon dioxide, into the atmosphere and, they believe,
this might eventually dangerously heat the planet.

Group two is made up of scientists who don't see this as an especially
serious problem. This is the group I belong to. We're usually referred to
as skeptics. We note that there are many reasons why the climate changes-
the sun, clouds, oceans, the orbital variations of the earth, as well as a
myriad of other inputs.

None of these is fully understood, and there is no evidence that CO2
emissions are the dominant factor. But actually there is much agreement
between both groups of scientists.

The following are such points of agreement:

1) The climate is always changing.

2) CO2 is a greenhouse gas without which life on earth is not possible,
but adding it to the atmosphere should lead to some warming.

3) Atmospheric levels of CO2 have been increasing since the end of the
Little Ice Age in the 19th century.

4) Over this period (the past two centuries), the global mean temperature
has increased slightly and erratically by about 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit or
one degree Celsius; but only since
the 1960's have man's greenhouse emissions been sufficient to play a role.

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5) Given the complexity of climate, no confident prediction about future
global mean temperature or its impact can be made. The IPCC acknowledged
in its own 2007 report that "The long-term prediction of future climate
states is not possible."

Most importantly, the scenario that the burning of fossil fuel leads to
catastrophe isn't part of what either group asserts. So why are so many
people worried, indeed, panic stricken about this issue.

Here's where Group Three comes in-the politicians, environmentalists, and
media. Global warming alarmism provides them, more than any other issue,
with the things they most want: For politicians it's money and power.

For environmentalists it's money for their organizations and confirmation
of their near religious devotion to the idea that man is a destructive
force acting upon nature. And for the media it's ideology, money, and
headlines.

Doomsday scenarios sell.

Meanwhile, over the last decade, scientists outside of climate physics
have jumped on the bandwagon, publishing papers blaming global warming for
everything from acne to the Syrian civil war. And crony capitalists have
eagerly grabbed for the subsidies that governments have so lavishly
provided.

Unfortunately, group three is winning the argument because they have
drowned out the serious debate that should be going on.

But while politicians, environmentalists and media types can waste a lot
of money and scare a lot of people, they won't be able to bury the truth.
The climate will have the final word on that.

I'm Richard Lindzen, emeritus professor of atmospheric sciences at MIT,
for Prager University.
--
"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."

AlleyCat
2019-03-13 04:45:59 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:23:02 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr., champion of the
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Nothing provable.

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Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare

Fraud: While the global warming alarmists have done a good job of
spreading fright, they haven't been so good at hiding their real
motivation. Yet another one has slipped up and revealed the catalyst
driving the climate scare.

We have been told now for almost three decades that man has to change his
ways or his fossil-fuel emissions will scorch Earth with catastrophic
warming. Scientists, politicians and activists have maintained the
narrative that their concern is only about caring for our planet and its
inhabitants. But this is simply not true. The narrative is a ruse. They
are after something entirely different.

If they were honest, the climate alarmists would admit that they are not
working feverishly to hold down global temperatures -- they would
acknowledge that they are instead consumed with the goal of holding down
capitalism and establishing a global welfare state.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/11/18/ipcc-official-%E2%80%9Cclimate-
policy-is-redistributing-the-worlds-wealth%E2%80%9D/

Have doubts? Then listen to the words of former United Nations climate
official Ottmar Edenhofer:

"One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate
policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the
environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the
ozone hole," said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.'s Intergovernmental
Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from
2008 to 2015.

So what is the goal of environmental policy?

"We redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy," said
Edenhofer.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-
admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/
--
"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI
AlleyCat
2019-03-13 04:46:30 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:23:02 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr., champion of the misleading topic name, says...

Nothing provable.

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Climate Change Explains Everything

After all, we all know that climate change makes for shorter winters,
except for when it makes for harsher winters.

And climate change means less snow, except for when climate change means
more snow.

And climate change causes droughts in California and floods in Texas and
Oklahoma and generally makes wet places wetter and dry places dryer,
except when it makes wet places drier and dry places wetter.

And climate change causes more hurricanes at the same time as it causes
less hurricanes.

Climate change causes more rain but less water?... and less rain but more
water?

Climate change decreases the spread of malaria at the same time as it
increases the spread of malaria but don't worry the Terminator himself
advises us not to listen to those climate change cynics... hey guys?

Do I need to go on? Oh, OK.

Climate change makes San Francisco foggier... climate change makes San
Francisco less foggy.

Climate change causes duller autumn leaves... climate change causes more
colorful autumn leaves.

Climate change makes for less salty seas... climate change makes for
saltier seas.

Climate change causes the polar ice caps to melt... climate change causes
the polar ice caps to freeze.

Climate change makes the earth hotter, unless the Earth isn't getting
hotter... in which case, climate change can explain that too.

What's the problem here? This sounds like the perfect scientific theory.
It can explain literally everything including self contradictory things.

This means it's absolutely perfect, isn't it?

Well no, not according to Karl Popper and the philosophers of science and
within the philosophy of science there's something called the demarcation
problem... how do you differentiate science from pseudo-science?

The left won't LET you, and brands you a denierrrrrrr(whining).
--
"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI
AlleyCat
2019-03-13 04:46:51 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:23:02 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr., champion of the misleading topic name, says...

Nothing provable.

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IPCC Official: "Climate Policy Is Redistributing The World's Wealth"
Neue Zürcher Zeitung, 14 November 2010

Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental
protection, says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer.
The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit
during which the distribution of the world's resources will be negotiated.
- Ottmar Edenhofer

For those who may not know, Ottmar Edenhofer is the co-chair of the IPCC
Working Group III.

Former WG III Co-Chair Bert Metz (left) congratulates Ottmar Edenhofer on
his election in Geneva.

Interview by: Bernard Potter

NZZ am Sonntag: Mr. Eden, everybody concerned with climate protection
demands emissions reductions. You now speak of "dangerous emissions
reduction." What do you mean?

Ottmar Edenhofer: So far economic growth has gone hand in hand with the
growth of greenhouse gas emissions. One percent growth means one percent
more emissions. The historic memory of mankind remembers: In order to get
rich one has to burn coal, oil or gas. And therefore, the emerging
economies fear CO2 emission limits.

But everybody should take part in climate protection, otherwise it does
not work.

That is so easy to say. But particularly the industrialized countries have
a system that relies almost exclusively on fossil fuels. There is no
historical precedent and no region in the world that has decoupled its
economic growth from emissions. Thus, you cannot expect that India or
China will regard CO2 emissions reduction as a great idea. And it gets
worse: We are in the midst of a renaissance of coal, because oil and gas
(sic) have become more expensive, but coal has not. The emerging markets
are building their cities and power plants for the next 70 years, as if
there would be permanently no high CO 2 price.

The new thing about your proposal for a Global Deal is the stress on the
importance of development policy for climate policy. Until now, many think
of aid when they hear development policies.

That will change immediately if global emission rights are distributed. If
this happens, on a per capita basis, then Africa will be the big winner,
and huge amounts of money will flow there. This will have enormous
implications for development policy. And it will raise the question if
these countries can deal responsibly with so much money at all.

That does not sound anymore like the climate policy that we know.

Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the
major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of
the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic
conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000
gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet - and
we must emit only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we want to keep the 2-
degree target. 11 000 to 400 - there is no getting around the fact that
most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil.

De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural
resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has
been triggered by development policy.

First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the
atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we
redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the
owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to
free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is
environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental
policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

Nevertheless, the environment is suffering from climate change -
especially in the global south.

It will be a lot to do with adaptation. But that just goes far beyond
traditional development policy: We will see in Africa with climate change
a decline in agricultural yields. But this can be avoided if the
efficiency of production is increased - and especially if the African
agricultural trade is embedded in the global economy. But for that we need
to see that successful climate policy requires other global trade and
financial policies.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/11/18/ipcc-official-%E2%80%9Cclimate-
policy-is-redistributing-the-worlds-wealth%E2%80%9D/
--
"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI
AlleyCat
2019-03-13 04:47:02 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:23:02 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr., champion of the misleading topic name, says...

Nothing provable.

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Enviro-Psychologists Confirm Climate Alarmists Are Making Themselves
Mentally Sick... "Doomer Depression"

The strategy of scaring people into action on climate change has backfired
totally, so writes Kathrin Burger of the German leftist TAZ daily in a
piece titled: Horror Scenarios Promote Depression.

Psychologists say that many who have been listening excessively to climate
alarmists are now ready for therapy.

It turns out the alarmists, with all their climate doom and gloom, have
only succeeded in spreading depression among themselves and those around
them.

It's only normal that people who surround themselves with incurable
pessimists also eventually become pessimistic themselves, and eventually
get depressed or mentally ill. This is what's happening within the climate
movement in Germany, enviro-psychologists say.


Alarmism As A Mental Disorder

It can be convincingly argued that mental illness is indeed a chronic
problem among many climate alarmists and their followers. Many are
paranoid that a trace gas (0.04% of the total gases in the atmosphere...
0.04%... LOL) is causing a climate catastrophe.

They even blame bad weather on the CO² trace gas, with some even going so
far as to blame earthquakes and war on the man-made CO² molecules in the
air.

"Seemingly educated" scientists are obsessed with a coming climate
catastrophe to the point where they even refuse to believe any data
showing to the contrary.

OMG... climate screechers to a tee, huh Lee Lee and Tommy Tee?

And now that many western societies have been exposed to climate pessimism
and alarmism for a good 25 years, it's little wonder we are finding
reports confirming that all the climate doom-saying is causing more
depression globally, so writes the German leftist online TAZ.

The problem with the environmental movement, experts are finding out, is
that it is making everybody mentally sick and depressed rather than making
them more environmentally aware and responsible. People are becoming
complacent when it comes to climate-related action.

"Doomer Depression"

In the TAZ article, author Kathrin Burger admits that all the fear-
mongering indeed has been a very poor method of motivating people to
change their lives:

Florian Kaiser, environmental psychologist at the University of
Magdeburg says: "With threatening scenarios you'll likely not get anyone
to change their views."

The TAZ writes that all the scare scenarios are in fact leading to a
phenomenon dubbed: "Doomer Depression".

The TAZ, of course, takes the position that the planet is in big trouble,
and that this message needs to be communicated in a new way - in a way
that makes the message less depressing and more effective at motivating
people to change their lives. Nowhere does the TAZ write that the alarmism
itself may have its very roots in mental disorder, i.e. the CO² paranoia
and obsession mentioned above.


Here's An Excerpt Of What The TAZ Claims:

One problem is that climate change is hardly detectable and so people
have a psychological distance to it. Apocalyptic scenarios are, however,
of little help in overcoming that distance. The overly drastic prognoses
that were used especially in the 1980s only amplified the sense of
helplessness. 'Because stability is a fundamental desire of every person,
thoughts that have to do with situations of collapse often get
suppressed,' states a strategy paper of the Greens in Saxony."

The TAZ writes that communicating the message that climate change is real
and that humans need to accept drastic lifestyle changes remains a major
challenge for the movement. Many people just are not reacting to it.


People Are Not Responding To The Message

The real challenge is to find a way to shape people's perception so that
they do embrace the message communicated by the environmental cause.
Psychologist Kaiser is quoted by the TAZ as saying:

Pro-social people, those who are inclined to help others, are more
accessible for ecological argumentation and are thus more open to
dedicating themselves to the environment. However, those who do not count
themselves as being among the altruistic are very difficult to reach."

From the social engineers' point of view, the problem lies with the human
raw material that they have to deal with. The movement would be far easier
if only everyone had the right mindset and political view from the start.
Consequently many believe that the place to start is to shape the young
minds of schoolchildren at an early stage.


School Indoctrination Has Failed

One strategy used by social engineering experts is the indoctrination of
children at schools... the farms for growing future environmentalists.
Germany for example has attempted in schools for 25 years to indoctrinate
its children to become more environmentally aware and responsible. For the
results of that experiment, the TAZ quotes Ulrich Gebhardt, child
development researcher at the University of Hamburg (emphasis added):

After 25 years of environmental education at schools, the conclusion
is sobering: 'Education for sustainable development' has had no effect.'"

And all this time we thought schools were for teaching things like
reading, writing, and mathematics. For once in my life I'm glad that
schools have, in a way, failed. If anything, this shows that parents are
by far the most important force in bringing up children. Good news.

Alarmists Anonymous

So if horror scenarios and indoctrination are failing to motivate people
into action and are only causing the side effect of people getting
depressed, what strategy is now being pursued in Germany to combat the
environmental movement's side effects, i.e. depression and complacency?

Rather than re-examining the climate data and concluding there really
isn't an imminent catastrophe coming, the alarmists still continue to
insist it's real and are now coming together to produce "positive
visions" in group therapy - a sort of Alarmists Anonymous. The TAZ quotes
psychologist Gerd Webling of the Transition Town Bielefeld:

The inner and outer transition depend on each other. In this
initiative it's about meeting on a regular basis, often with
psychologists, where the members have the chance to express their
desperation and hopelessness."

For the rest of us who have avoided the doom of gloom of the climate
alarmism, my advice is that you continue doing so. Visiting skeptic sites
like this one will keep you optimistic about the future and a lot happier.

Luddite: someone who is opposed or resistant to new technologies or
technological change, like climate alarmists who believe al Gore and
President Obama, instead of SCIENTISTS.
--
"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI
AlleyCat
2019-03-13 04:47:12 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:23:02 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr., champion of the misleading topic name, says...

Nothing provable.

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1317) Great European Drought and Famine Creating the worst Drought and
Famine ever seen in Europe, the Great Drought and Famine of 1315-1317,
also known as the Great European Drought and Famine, was actually a series
of crises. The tragedy, that killed an estimated 7.5 million people, was
caused by strange weather and unrelenting rains.

1603) Russian Drought and Famine of 1601--03 Killing one-third of
the population.

1632) India... Deccan drought and Famine of 1630 -- 32 An estimated two
million perished.

1770) Bengal Drought and Famine of 1770 - An estimated 15 million perished
in the Drought and Famine

1868) Finnish Drought and Famine of 1866--68 Killed between 15 and 20
percent of the population in the area or roughly 150,000 people.

1878) Indian Great Drought and Famine of 1876--78 This tragedy that took
the lives of as many as 10.3 million.

1879) Northern Chinese Drought and Famine Lasted from 1876 to 1879 and is
believed to have killed 13 million people.

1902) India Drought and Famine: Took place between 1896 and 1902, claiming
an estimated 19 million lives.

1907) Chinese Drought and Famine of 1907 In a matter of months an
estimated 24 million people were killed. (California drought was YUGE...
he said sarcastically)

1921) Russian Drought and Famine of 1921 It killed as many as 10 million.

1933) Soviet Drought and Famine of 1932--33 Between seven and 10 million
were killed

1930) Chinese Drought and Famine of 1928--30 Killed an estimated three
million people over the three-year span.

1941) Chinese Drought 1941 An estimated three million perished.

1943) Bengal Drought and Famine of 1943 Killed between 1.4 and 4 million
people

1945) Vietnamese Drought and Famine of 1945 Overall, between 400,000 and
two million perished as a result.

1974) Bangladesh Drought and Famine of 1974 Estimates state between 26,000
and one million perished in the disaster.

1985) 1984--85 Drought and Famine in Ethiopia Killed an estimated one
million people in the region.

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India... Deccan drought and Famine of 1630--32 An estimated two million
perished.

Indian Great Drought and Famine of 1876--78 This tragedy that took the
lives of as many as 10.3 million.

India Drought and Famine: Took place between 1896 and 1902, claiming an
estimated 19 million lives.

Chinese Drought and Famine of 1907 In a matter of months an estimated 24
million people were killed. (California drought... HA, he said
sarcastically)

Bengal Drought and Famine of 1770 An estimated 15 million perished in the
Drought and Famine

Northern Chinese Drought and Famine Lasted from 1876 to 1879 and is
believed to have killed 13 million people.

Great European Drought and Famine Creating the worst Drought and Famine
ever seen in Europe, the Great Drought and Famine of 1315-1317, also known
as the Great European Drought and Famine, was actually a series of crises.
The tragedy, that killed an estimated 7.5 million people, was caused by
strange weather and unrelenting rains.

WHAAAAT!!!??? Strange weather back in the 1300's... say it ain't SO!!!!!!
Must have been sheep farts, huh?

Soviet Drought and Famine of 1932--33 Between seven and 10 million were
killed

Russian Drought and Famine of 1921 It killed as many as 10 million.

Chinese Drought 1941 An estimated three million perished.

Chinese Drought and Famine of 1928--30 Killed an estimated three million
people over the three-year span.

Russian Drought and Famine of 1601--03 Killing one-third of the
population.

Vietnamese Drought and Famine of 1945 Overall, between 400,000 and two
million perished as a result.

Bengal Drought and Famine of 1943 Killed between 1.4 and 4 million people

Great Irish Drought and Famine One million in fatalities and another one
million in residents who emigrated as a result.

1984--85 Drought and Famine in Ethiopia Killed an estimated one million
people in the region.

Horn of Africa Drought and Famine Over one million reportedly died during
that time in the areas of Ethiopia, Sudan and Somalia.

Bangladesh Drought and Famine of 1974 Estimates state between 26,000 and
one million perished in the disaster.

Finnish Drought and Famine of 1866--68 Killed between 15 and 20 percent of
the population in the area or roughly 150,000 people.

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1) Russian Drought and Famine of 1601--03 Killing one-third of
the population.

2) India... Deccan drought and Famine of 1630 -- 32 An estimated
two million perished.

3) Chinese Drought and Famine of 1907 In a matter of months an
estimated 24 million people were killed. (California
drought... HA, he said sarcastically)

4) India Drought and Famine: Took place between 1896 and 1902,
claiming an estimated 19 million lives.

5) Bengal Drought and Famine of 1770 An estimated 15 million
perished in the Drought and Famine

6) Northern Chinese Drought and Famine Lasted from 1876 to 1879
and is believed to have killed 13 million people.

7) Indian Great Drought and Famine of 1876--78 This tragedy
that took the lives of as many as 10.3 million.

8) Russian Drought and Famine of 1921 It killed as many as 10
million.

9) Soviet Drought and Famine of 1932--33 Between seven and 10
million were killed

10) Great European Drought and Famine Creating the worst Drought
and Famine ever seen in Europe, the Great Drought and Famine
of 1315-1317, also known as the Great European Drought and
Famine, was actually a series of crises. The tragedy, that
killed an estimated 7.5 million people, was caused by
strange weather and unrelenting rains.

11) Bengal Drought and Famine of 1943 Killed between 1.4 and 4
million people

12) Chinese Drought and Famine of 1928--30 Killed an estimated
three million people over the three-year span.

13) Chinese Drought 1941 An estimated three million perished.

14) Vietnamese Drought and Famine of 1945 Overall, between
400,000 and two million perished as a result.

15) Bangladesh Drought and Famine of 1974 Estimates state
between 26,000 and one million perished in the disaster.

16) 1984--85 Drought and Famine in Ethiopia Killed an estimated
one million people in the region.

17) Horn of Africa Drought and Famine Over one million
reportedly died during that time in the areas of Ethiopia,
Sudan and Somalia.

18) Finnish Drought and Famine of 1866--68 Killed between 15 and
20 percent of the population in the area or roughly 150,000
people.

19) Great Irish Drought and Famine One million in fatalities and
another one million in residents who emigrated as a result.
--
"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI
AlleyCat
2019-03-13 04:47:33 UTC
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Nothing provable.

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The Earth Is Flourishing, Despite The Liberal's Chicken Little Views

There are FEWER climate and weather related deaths now, than ever before.
Man is adapting damn well to whatever the Earth throws at him.

Here is a graph comparing CO² emissions, the alleged climate danger, to
the number of climate-related deaths, which reflects actual climate danger
to humans. It's striking - as CO² emissions rise, climate-related deaths
plunge.

To make matters better, in reality the trend is even more dramatically
downward, as before the 1970's many disasters went unreported.

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WE aren't to blame for anything related to climate OR weather. CO² does
NOT cause Global Warming, or it would MUCH hotter than it is now, with a
RISING temperature, IF CO² caused warming at all.

Temperatures are down, and there is NO warming. And since the "Climate
Change" bullshit is predicated ON Global Warming, then that really can't
exist either. But it does, in the case of NATURAL Climate Change, not for
anthropogenic reasons.
--
"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI
AlleyCat
2019-03-13 04:48:24 UTC
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misleading topic name, says...

Nothing provable.

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Nearly 90% of Temperature Stations Show Extreme Heat Bias, Study Says
August 1, 2009 James M. Taylor

Eighty-nine percent of official U.S. temperature measurement stations
are corrupted by poor site selection that gives false warming signals,
according to a new study by meteorologist Anthony Watts.

According to the federal government's own siting criteria, the
corrupting influences at those stations create a margin of error larger
than the entire asserted warming of the twentieth century.

Startling Degree of Error

The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC),
whose findings are often referred to by the news media and global
warming alarmists, claims temperatures rose 0.74 degrees Celsius over
the past century. However, Watts' survey of official U.S. temperature
stations shows 89 percent are so poorly located and maintained-according
to U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) published
standards-they have an error margin of greater than 1.00 degree Celsius.

Worse, 69 percent have an error margin of greater than 2.00 degrees
Celsius, and 11 percent have an error margin of greater than 5.00
degrees Celsius.

A variety of factors are responsible for the flawed data and resultant
warming bias, the study reports.

Some stations have been corrupted by land-use changes and urban
development nearby, resulting in an artificial warming signal over time.
Other stations were moved from uncorrupted sites to corrupted ones for
the convenience of persons reading the temperatures. Still others are
and always have been located in places that are just plain ridiculous,
the study shows.

Examples of Flawed Stations

A vivid example is the Forest Grove, Oregon official temperature station
(see photo). As if the heat signature of the building, just 10 feet
away, weren't corrupting enough, the temperature station is located
beside the exhaust grill of a window air conditioning unit.

The artificial heat signature from the unit's exhaust did not exist to
corrupt the data 50 to 75 years ago but results in an upward bias in
recent temperature reports.

Similarly biased is the Aberdeen, Washington official temperature
station (see photo). Not only is the station located beside an asphalt
parking lot, but employees are encouraged to fire up their lighters and
smoke cigarettes at the cigarette butt collector right beside the
temperature station.

Another bizarre location choice is the Redding, California official
temperature station (see photo). Consider what happens to the
temperature reading every time that large light bulb, right above the
thermometer, is turned on.

At the Tahoe City, California official temperature station, there's a
trash-burning barrel right beside the temperature station (see photo),
with an exhaust vent set up to spew furnace-like heat just five feet
away from the measuring device.

The before-and-after photographs of the official temperature station at
Hopkinsville, Kentucky demonstrate how bias creeps in over time. Notice
in the first photograph the temperature station was set up 30 years ago
on a grassy lawn approximately six feet from the building. In the second
photograph we see where it is today: adjacent to the building, right
above an asphalt driveway and a barbeque. Hamburgers and hot dogs aren't
the only things heating up when somebody decides to cook on the grill!

"Changing the technology and locations of temperature stations and a
blatant disregard for NOAA's own rules about keeping sensors at least
100 feet away from heat sources and radiative surfaces have undoubtedly
contaminated the U.S. temperature record," Watts observes.

Changed Paint Guidelines

The stations with excessive temperature bias due to poor siting are only
part of the story, Watts reports. Another source of heat bias was added
in 1979 when NOAA changed its guidelines on temperature shelters to
specify white latex paint instead of whitewash.

Watts found white latex paint on the shelters adds 0.55 degrees
Fahrenheit (roughly 0.30 degrees Celsius) to the temperature readings
when compared with whitewash. This heat bias alone is equal to roughly
45 percent of the asserted warming of the twentieth century.

Arbitrary Upward Adjustments

Watts also shows NOAA has introduced additional bias to the temperature
record by arbitrarily adjusting temperature data ... upward.

Common sense dictates the nearly threefold growth in U.S. population
during the twentieth century was accompanied by urbanization that
created artificial heat islands corrupting the temperature data at even
the most carefully located temperature station. Yet NOAA not only
declines to adjust the raw temperature data downward to account for such
inevitable heat bias, it instead adjusts the data upward, as if more
asphalt, automobiles, electronics, and buildings create artificial
cooling signatures instead of artificial heat signatures.

Anybody who lives near a large city knows urbanization creates
artificial heat signatures, not cooling zones.

"Adjustments applied to 'homogenize' the data ... impart an even larger
false warming trend to the data," the study reports. "NOAA's
'adjustments,' in other words, account for nearly one-half the
agreed-upon rise in temperature during the twentieth century. The same
adjustments are applied to the ... global temperature dataset."
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AlleyCat
2019-03-13 04:48:45 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:23:02 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr., champion of the misleading topic name, says...

Nothing provable.

=====

Glaciers Are Growing Around The World, Including The United
States

http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm
http://www.iceagenow.com/List_of_Expanding_Glaciers.htm

Here's A (Partial) List Of The Specific Glaciers That Are
Growing

India - Record snowfall revives 2,000 glaciers 17 Feb 11 -
Already more snowfall this month than 1998 record for the
entire month.
http://www.iceagenow.com/India-Record_snowfall_revives_2000_
glaciers.htm

NORWAY Ålfotbreen Glacier Briksdalsbreen Glacier
Nigardsbreen Glacier Hardangerjøkulen Glacier Hansebreen
Glacier Jostefonn Glacier Engabreen glacier (The Engabreen
glacier is the second largest glacier in Norway. It is a
part (a glacial tongue) of the Svartisen glacier, which has
steadily increased in mass since the 1960s when heavier
winter precipitation set in.) Norway's glaciers growing at
record pace. The face of the Briksdal glacier, an off-shoot
of the largest glacier in Norway and mainland Europe, is
growing by an average 7.2 inches (18 cm) per day. (From the
Norwegian daily Bergens Tidende.)

Click here to see mass balance of Norwegian glaciers:
http://www.nve.no/

Glaciers growing on Mt. Shasta - Record snowfall to spur
even more growth 28 Mar 11 - The media has done a great job
of covering this up, but the fact is that all seven glaciers
on California?s Mount Shasta are growing. See Glaciers
growing on Mt. Shasta -
http://www.iceagenow.com/Glaciers_growing_on_Mt_Shasta.htm

Glaciers growing in Italy 8 Feb 11 - Glaciers are growing on
two different mountains in Italy - Mount Canin and Mount
Montasio. Will you see this in the main-stream media?
Glaciers growing in Italy -
http://www.iceagenow.com/Glaciers_growing_in_Italy.htm

India - Record snowfall revives 2,000 glaciers 17 Feb 11 -
Already more snowfall this month than 1998 record for the
entire month. Think you'll see this in the mainstream media?
See India - Record snowfall revives 2,000 glaciers -
http://www.iceagenow.com/India-Record_snowfall_revives_2000_
glaciers.htm

Area Of Thick Arctic Ice Doubled In Last Two Years 31 Dec 10
- It has doubled since 2008.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Area_of_thick_arctic_ice_doubled_in
_two_years.htm
--
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AlleyCat
2019-03-13 04:48:56 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:23:02 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr., champion of the
misleading topic name, says...

Nothing provable.

=====

PROVABLE:

Scientist Confesses: "Global Warming a $22 Billion Scam"

Proof Is Emerging That Al Gore And Even President Obama Have Financially
Benefited From Fueling The Global Warming Hysteria

You are likely familiar with the story of the failed Solyndra green
energy initiative, which cost taxpayers $500 million; President Obama
took a lot of flak for that.

But here's a little-known side of the Solyndra story I bet you haven't
heard: Obama, in essence, used taxpayer money to finance his re-election
campaign... by funneling it through Solyndra.

When Solyndra fell on hard times, it passed into the hands of two large
private equity investors... Goldman Sachs and George Kaiser. When $500
million in taxpayer money was given to Solyndra, both Goldman Sachs and
George Kaiser benefited. Coincidentally, both have made contributions to
Obama's election campaigns adding up to roughly $1.25 million.

It doesn't stop there.

In 2010, another federal loan of $400 million went Abound Solar. That
resulted in a bankruptcy as well. But investors in Abound Solar seemed
to do just fine... investors like billionaire heiress Patricia Stryker.

Stryker has famously contributed $500,000 to the Coalition for Progress
while throwing $85,000 toward Obama's inaugural committee. It's just a
coincidence that the government handed a company she invested in $400
million just before bankruptcy... right?

There's also A123 Systems, which paid one lobbying firm $970,000 to
secure money from the government - and received $279 million in federal
assistance.

The CEO of A123 Systems went on to fund multiple Democratic senators and
contributed to Obama's campaign.

"First Solar" received $646 million in government loan guarantees, and
has since contributed more than $180,000 to Democratic campaigns.

GE is notorious for spending tens of millions of dollars a year to "buy"
green energy credits for its wind turbines and other green technologies
- credits which helped the firm pay ZERO taxes in 2011.

There are a host of other examples of liberals getting wealthy off
"global warming" initiatives just like these.

You can see why green energy is such a profitable business - CEOs and
executives get to rake in millions of dollars, while politicians get
lucrative donations for their campaigns... and scientists get all the
funding they need to keep them going... all on your dime.

While $22 billion of our money is being redistributed every year to
greedy scientists, politicians, and corporations... the REAL cost is
$1.75 TRILLION.
--
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http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI
Dhu on Gate
2019-03-13 07:02:38 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
Proof Is Emerging That Al Gore And Even President Obama Have Financially
Benefited From Fueling The Global Warming Hysteria
Al Gore claimed to have invent the internet too.
Doesn't mean it ain't real and men didn't make it so.

Dhu
--
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C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)

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Dhu on Gate
2019-03-13 20:27:30 UTC
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On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 07:02:38 +0000 (UTC)
Post by Dhu on Gate
Post by AlleyCat
Proof Is Emerging That Al Gore And Even President Obama Have
Financially Benefited From Fueling The Global Warming Hysteria
Al Gore claimed to have invent the internet too.
Doesn't mean it ain't real and men didn't make it so.
Look at the money he's made advocating for the crazies...
A cynical man
They ain't crazy, and he's makin' money tellin' folks up is up an' down is down.

Go figure.

Dhu
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Dhu on Gate
2019-03-13 07:36:14 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
Nothing provable.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/13/climate-change-is-not-only-destroying-the-planet-but-our-psyches-as-well

"Remember kids, never leave any skin exposed if you have to go outside the sunbunker in daylight."

Dhu
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JTEM is Remarkably Flexible
2019-03-13 14:39:03 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
You are likely familiar with the story of the failed Solyndra green
energy initiative, which cost taxpayers $500 million; President Obama
took a lot of flak for that.
In all honesty, there should have been indictments. That company was
ALREADY bankrupt, past tense, and the money was nothing less than
a FreeBee to investors. It was nothing short of theft, a transfer of
wealth from the treasury to a bunch of already-very-rich people who
didn't need it, because unlike "The Little People" their investment can
carry ZERO risk.

The Obama's didn't have a net worth of even a million dollars when
Barry officially began his campaign for President, and already he and
his wife are estimated to be worth at least $80 million -- some $40
million or more EACH.




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Bret Cahill
2019-03-13 15:56:43 UTC
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What was the name of the crank?

<CIA>
AlleyCat
2019-03-14 01:14:27 UTC
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On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 08:56:43 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill says...
Post by Bret Cahill
What was the name of the crank?
Shaft... John Shaft


AlleyCat
2019-03-15 21:17:15 UTC
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On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 04:32:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr. snorted semen out his
nose and said...

Nothing provable.

=====

Glaciers Are Growing Around The World, Including The United
States

http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm
http://www.iceagenow.com/List_of_Expanding_Glaciers.htm

Here's A (Partial) List Of The Specific Glaciers That Are
Growing

India - Record snowfall revives 2,000 glaciers 17 Feb 11 -
Already more snowfall this month than 1998 record for the
entire month.
http://www.iceagenow.com/India-Record_snowfall_revives_2000_
glaciers.htm

NORWAY Ålfotbreen Glacier Briksdalsbreen Glacier
Nigardsbreen Glacier Hardangerjøkulen Glacier Hansebreen
Glacier Jostefonn Glacier Engabreen glacier (The Engabreen
glacier is the second largest glacier in Norway. It is a
part (a glacial tongue) of the Svartisen glacier, which has
steadily increased in mass since the 1960s when heavier
winter precipitation set in.) Norway's glaciers growing at
record pace. The face of the Briksdal glacier, an off-shoot
of the largest glacier in Norway and mainland Europe, is
growing by an average 7.2 inches (18 cm) per day. (From the
Norwegian daily Bergens Tidende.)

Click here to see mass balance of Norwegian glaciers:
http://www.nve.no/

Glaciers growing on Mt. Shasta - Record snowfall to spur
even more growth 28 Mar 11 - The media has done a great job
of covering this up, but the fact is that all seven glaciers
on California?s Mount Shasta are growing. See Glaciers
growing on Mt. Shasta -
http://www.iceagenow.com/Glaciers_growing_on_Mt_Shasta.htm

Glaciers growing in Italy 8 Feb 11 - Glaciers are growing on
two different mountains in Italy - Mount Canin and Mount
Montasio. Will you see this in the main-stream media?
Glaciers growing in Italy -
http://www.iceagenow.com/Glaciers_growing_in_Italy.htm

India - Record snowfall revives 2,000 glaciers 17 Feb 11 -
Already more snowfall this month than 1998 record for the
entire month. Think you'll see this in the mainstream media?
See India - Record snowfall revives 2,000 glaciers -
http://www.iceagenow.com/India-Record_snowfall_revives_2000_
glaciers.htm

Area Of Thick Arctic Ice Doubled In Last Two Years 31 Dec 10
- It has doubled since 2008.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Area_of_thick_arctic_ice_doubled_in
_two_years.htm
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Siri Cruise
2019-03-15 22:13:14 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 04:32:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr. snorted semen out his
nose and said...
Nothing provable.
=====
Glaciers Are Growing Around The World, Including The United
States
http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm
http://www.iceagenow.com/List_of_Expanding_Glaciers.htm
Here's A (Partial) List Of The Specific Glaciers That Are
Growing
India - Record snowfall revives 2,000 glaciers 17 Feb 11 -
Already more snowfall this month than 1998 record for the
entire month.
http://www.iceagenow.com/India-Record_snowfall_revives_2000_
glaciers.htm
NORWAY Ålfotbreen Glacier Briksdalsbreen Glacier
Nigardsbreen Glacier Hardangerjøkulen Glacier Hansebreen
Glacier Jostefonn Glacier Engabreen glacier (The Engabreen
glacier is the second largest glacier in Norway. It is a
part (a glacial tongue) of the Svartisen glacier, which has
steadily increased in mass since the 1960s when heavier
winter precipitation set in.) Norway's glaciers growing at
record pace. The face of the Briksdal glacier, an off-shoot
of the largest glacier in Norway and mainland Europe, is
growing by an average 7.2 inches (18 cm) per day. (From the
Norwegian daily Bergens Tidende.)
http://www.nve.no/
Glaciers growing on Mt. Shasta - Record snowfall to spur
even more growth 28 Mar 11 - The media has done a great job
of covering this up, but the fact is that all seven glaciers
on California?s Mount Shasta are growing. See Glaciers
growing on Mt. Shasta -
http://www.iceagenow.com/Glaciers_growing_on_Mt_Shasta.htm
Glaciers growing in Italy 8 Feb 11 - Glaciers are growing on
two different mountains in Italy - Mount Canin and Mount
Montasio. Will you see this in the main-stream media?
Glaciers growing in Italy -
http://www.iceagenow.com/Glaciers_growing_in_Italy.htm
India - Record snowfall revives 2,000 glaciers 17 Feb 11 -
Already more snowfall this month than 1998 record for the
entire month. Think you'll see this in the mainstream media?
See India - Record snowfall revives 2,000 glaciers -
http://www.iceagenow.com/India-Record_snowfall_revives_2000_
glaciers.htm
Area Of Thick Arctic Ice Doubled In Last Two Years 31 Dec 10
- It has doubled since 2008.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Area_of_thick_arctic_ice_doubled_in
_two_years.htm
So is the total mass of all glaciers increasing or decreasing?
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AlleyCat
2019-03-16 00:33:31 UTC
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:13:14 -0700, Siri Cruise says...
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by AlleyCat
Area Of Thick Arctic Ice Doubled In Last Two Years 31 Dec 10
- It has doubled since 2008.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Area_of_thick_arctic_ice_doubled_in
_two_years.htm
So is the total mass of all glaciers increasing or decreasing?
Google is your friend.
--
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Siri Cruise
2019-03-16 00:57:28 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:13:14 -0700, Siri Cruise says...
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by AlleyCat
Area Of Thick Arctic Ice Doubled In Last Two Years 31 Dec 10
- It has doubled since 2008.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Area_of_thick_arctic_ice_doubled_in
_two_years.htm
So is the total mass of all glaciers increasing or decreasing?
Google is your friend.
You just answerred the question.
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AlleyCat
2019-03-16 01:33:46 UTC
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 17:57:28 -0700, Siri Cruise says...
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:13:14 -0700, Siri Cruise says...
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by AlleyCat
Area Of Thick Arctic Ice Doubled In Last Two Years 31 Dec 10
- It has doubled since 2008.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Area_of_thick_arctic_ice_doubled_in
_two_years.htm
So is the total mass of all glaciers increasing or decreasing?
Google is your friend.
You just answerred the question.
I dint "answerr" nuthin', you illiterate baboon.

Ohhh... You think that if I got my information from the Internet, (Google,
in this case), that it's not true? Well, I DIDN'T get my information from
Google, dumb ass, but please feel free to offer any refutation, instead of
a not-so-clever dig at how someone gets information.

By the way... where the fuck do you get ANY of your information? Do you
have subscriptions to every periodical ever published, and have it all
memorized? Riiiight.

Go try your bullshit condescension in alt.fucknozzles, fucknozzle. You
MIGHT find some like-minded fucknozzles.
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AlleyCat
2019-03-16 01:29:34 UTC
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:13:14 -0700, Siri Cruise says...
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by AlleyCat
Area Of Thick Arctic Ice Doubled In Last Two Years 31 Dec 10
- It has doubled since 2008.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Area_of_thick_arctic_ice_doubled_in
_two_years.htm
So is the total mass of all glaciers increasing or decreasing?
Add them up yourself, mathlete.

Please... feel free to list those that are not growing.

=====

Here's a (partial) list of the specific glaciers that are growing.

(There are many more)

India - Record snowfall revives 2,000 glaciers
17 Feb 11 - Already more snowfall this month than
1998 record for the entire month. Think you'll see
this in the mainstream media?
See India - Record snowfall revives 2,000 glaciers


NORWAY
Ålfotbreen Glacier
Briksdalsbreen Glacier
Nigardsbreen Glacier
Hardangerjøkulen Glacier
Hansebreen Glacier
Jostefonn Glacier
Engabreen glacier (The Engabreen glacier
is the second largest glacier in Norway. It is a
part (a glacial tongue) of the Svartisen glacier,
which has steadily increased in mass since the
1960s when heavier winter precipitation set in.)

Norway's glaciers growing at record pace. The face of the Briksdal
glacier,
an off-shoot of the largest glacier in Norway and mainland Europe, is
growing by an
average 7.2 inches (18 cm) per day. (From the Norwegian daily Bergens
Tidende.)


Click here to see mass balance of Norwegian glaciers:
http://www.nve.no/

Choose "English" (at top of the page), choose "Water,"
then "Hydrology," then "Glaciers and Snow" from the menu.
You'll see a list of all significant glaciers in Norway.
(Thanks to Leif-K. Hansen for this info.)
CANADA
Helm Glacier
Place Glacier

Glaciers growing on Canada's tallest mountain
17 Nov 08 - The ice-covered peak of Yukon's soaring Mount Logan
may be due for an official re-measurement after readings that
suggest
this country's superlative summit has experienced a growth
spurt.
See Glaciers growing on Canada's tallest mountain

FRANCE
Mt. Blanc - See Mont Blanc Glacier almost doubles in size
ECUADOR
Antizana 15 Alpha Glacier

Italy
Winter snows did not all melt on Italy's Presena Glacier this
summer
10 Nov 09 - 'Their massive base depth last season meant it didn't
all melt
over the summer so they have nearly a metre and a half of snow on
the glacier
ski area already." (The second story of this kind in two years.)
See Winter snows did not all melt on Italy's Presena Glacier this
summer


Glaciers growing in Italy
8 Feb 11 - Glaciers are growing on two different mountains in Italy -
Mount Canin and Mount Montasio. Will you see this in the main-stream
media?
Glaciers growing in Italy

SWITZERLAND
Silvretta Glacier

KIRGHIZTAN
Abramov

RUSSIA
Maali Glacier (This glacier is surging. See below)

GREENLAND See Greenland Icecap Growing Thicker
Greenland glacier advancing 7.2 miles per year! The BBC recently
ran
a documentary, The Big Chill, saying that we could be on the verge
of an ice
age. Britain could be heading towards an Alaskan-type climate
within a decade,
say scientists, because the Gulf Stream is being gradually cut
off. The Gulf
Stream keeps temperatures unusually high for such a northerly
latitude.

One of Greenland's largest glaciers has already doubled its rate
of advance,
moving forward at the rate of 12 kilometers (7.2 miles) per year.
To see a
transcript of the documentary,
go to
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2003/bigchilltrans.shtml


Greenland Ice Sheet Growing Thicker
4 Nov 05 - After gathering data for more than ten years, a team of
Norwegian-led scientists has found that the Greenland Ice Sheet is
actually growing thicker at its interior.
See Greenland Ice Sheet Growing Thicker


Rebellious Greenland Glacier Keeps Growing
26 July 10 - Berlingske Glacier has steadily grown for the past
100 years. And yet, it's not counted in the glacier inventory. Why
haven't we heard about this growing glacier?
See Rebellious Greenland Glacier Keeps Growing
.
.
CHILE
Pio XI, the largest glacier in South America, grows
50 meters in height, length and density every day.
See Pio XI - Largest glacier in Chile - Growing every day

NEW ZEALAND
All 48 glaciers in the Southern Alps have grown during the past
year.
The growth is at the head of the glaciers, high in the mountains,
where they
gained more ice than they lost. Noticeable growth should be seen
at the
foot of the Fox and Franz Josef glaciers within two to three
years.(27 May 2003)
See New Zealand Glaciers Growing

Fox, Franz Josef glaciers defy trend - New Zealand's
two best-known glaciers are still on the march
31 Jan 07 - See Franz Josef Glacier still on the march

See also Pesky New Zealand Glaciers Growing

See also: Contrarian New Zealand Glaciers Keep Growing


ARGENTINA
Argentina's Perito Moreno Glacier, the largest glacier in
Patagonia,
is advancing at the rate of 7 feet per day. The 250 km² ice
formation,
30 km long, is one of 48 glaciers fed by the Southern Patagonian
Ice
Field. This ice field, located in the Andes system shared with
Chile,
is the world's third largest reserve of fresh water.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perito_Moreno_Glacier

UNITED STATES
- Colorado (scroll down to see AP article)
- Washington (Mount St. Helens, Mt. Rainier* and Mt. Shuksan
- California (Mount Shasta - scroll down for info)
- Montana (scroll down for info)
- Glacier Peak, WA (scroll down for info
- Alaska (Mt. McKinley and Hubbard).


SPAIN
Glaciers growing in Spain (Pyrinees)
10 Jan 11 - El glaciar del Infierno (glacier of Hell) has
advanced.
The mainstream media seems to have somehow missed this.
See Glaciers growing in Spain (Pyrinees)



Antarctica growing colder - Ice expanding
18 Apr 09 - "Ice is expanding in much of Antarctica," says this
article. In addition, the South Pole has shown "significant
cooling
in recent decades".
See Antarctica growing colder - Ice expanding



Antarctic ice grows to record levels
13 Sep 07 - While the Antarctic Peninsula area has warmed
in recent years and ice near it diminished during the Southern
Hemisphere summer, the interior of Antarctica has been colder
and ice elsewhere has been more extensive and longer lasting,
See Antarctic ice grows to record levels


Oops - West Antarctic Ice Sheet
not losing ice as fast as we thought
20 Oct 09 - New measurements by
GPS Network suggest the rate of ice
loss of the West Antarctic ice sheet
has been slightly overestimated.
See Oops - West Antarctic Ice Sheet not losing ice as fast as we
thought

.

Antarctica's Filchner-Ronne Ice Shelf is growing
7 Dec 05 - Scientists Joughin and Bamber re-evaluated the mass
balances
of the ice in Antarctica. "It is clear from the results of this
study that the
Filchner-Ronne Ice Shelf is not rapidly, or even slowly, wasting
away.
Quite to the contrary, it is growing."
See Antarctica's Filchner-Ronne Ice Shelf growing



Alaska's Hubbard Glacier advancing 7 feet per day!
10 May 09 - This from climatologist Cliff Harris of the Coeur
d'Alene Press.
It's possible that the glacier could close the fjord by later this
summer if the
current rate speeds up, says Harris.
See Alaska's Hubbard Glacier advancing 7 feet per day!



Global Warming? New Data Shows Ice Is Back
19 Feb 08 - A Feb. 18 report in the London Daily Express showed
that there is nearly
a third more ice in Antarctica than usual, challenging the global
warming crusaders and
buttressing arguments of skeptics who deny that the world is
undergoing global warming.
See Most snow cover since 1966
.
.

Mount St. Helens' Crater Glacier Advancing Three Feet Per Day
25 Jun 07 - See Crater Glacier


Against odds, glacier grows in cauldron of Mt. St. Helens
15 May 08 - See Glacier grows in cauldron of Mt. St. Helens


Mount St. Helens glacier (Crater Glacier) growing 50 feet per year
September 20, 2004 - See Mount St. Helens
Glaciers growing on California's Mount Shasta!
12 Oct 03 - See Mount Shasta Glaciers Growing
9 Jul 08 - See also California Glaciers Growing
28 Mar 11 - See also Glaciers growing on Mt. Shasta


Geologists Unexpectedly Find 100 Glaciers in Colorado
7 Oct 01 See Colorado Glaciers Growing

Washington's Nisqually Glacier Advancing
But headline says "State's shrinking glaciers: Going ... going ...
gone?"
1 Nov 06 - As far as I'm concerned, this Seattle Times article is
another
case of misleading - if not downright dishonest - reporting.
See Nisqually Glacier Advancing
See also Nisqually Glacier

Glaciers in Montana's Glacier Park on the verge of growing
5 Oct 2002. See Glacier Park

Antarctic Ice Sheet is growing thicker
See Antarctic Icecap Growing Thicker
See Construction crane buried in the Antarctic Ice Sheet



Largest glacier in Argentina advancing
15 Jun 09 - "Argentina's Perito Moreno glacier is (supposedly) one of
only a few ice fields worldwide that have withstood rising global
temperatures."
See Largest glacier in Argentina advancing



Alaska's Hubbard Glacier advancing 7 feet per day!
10 May 09 - This from climatologist Cliff Harris of the Coeur d'Alene
Press.
It's possible that the glacier could close the fjord by later this
summer if the
current rate speeds up, says Harris.
See Alaska's Hubbard Glacier advancing 7 feet per day!


Glaciers growing on Glacier Peak, WA
16 Oct 08 - Email from reader
Before I moved to CO in 2005 it was obvious that the glaciers and snow
had receded and rock was visible in areas all the way to the peak. The
glaciers
and snow are back now ... completely covered in white from top to
bottom,
and this is after the "warm" summer months here in the PNW.
See Glaciers growing on Glacier Peak, WA
.

Glaciers in Norway Growing Again
Scandinavian nation reverses trend, mirrors
results in Alaska, elsewhere, reports the Norwegian Water Resources
and Energy Directorate.
See Glaciers in Norway Growing Again



Glaciers in western Himalayas thickening and expanding
Arctic ice cover above it's 30-year average
23 Nov 08 - A study published by the American Meteorological Society
found that glaciers are only shrinking in the eastern Himalayas.
Further
west, in the Hindu Kush and the Karakoram, glaciers are "thickening
and expanding".
See Glaciers in western Himalayas thickening and expanding
.
.
Alaskan Glaciers Grow for First Time in 250 years
16 Oct 08 - High snowfall and cold weather to blame leading
to the increase in glacial mass.
See Alaskan Glaciers Grow for First Time in 250 years
.
.
Growing Alaskan glaciers the start of a new Little Ice Age?
14 Oct 08 - "Never before in the history of a research project dating
back
to 1946 had the Juneau Icefield witnessed the kind of snow buildup
that
came this year. It was similar on a lot of other glaciers too.
See Growing Alaskan glaciers the start of a new Little Ice Age?
.
.
Himalayan Glaciers Not Shrinking
Glacial Experts Question Theory of Global Warming
15 Feb 07 - See Himalayan Glaciers Not Shrinking
.
.
Many people have asked why some glaciers in South America are melting.
I think it is perfectly understandable. Remember, we have had two of
the
strongest El Ninos on record during the past 21 years. During an El
Nino,
a narrow band of the Pacific Ocean warms by as much as 14 degrees.
This
band of warm water travels east essentially along the equator until it
slams
into South America.

It seems logical that the increased rainfall caused by El Nino, plus
the
warmer winds blowing across the warmer water, could hasten glacial
melt.
But let me say it again. I do not believe that this is caused by
humans, I think
it is caused by the El Nino phenomenon, which is caused by underwater
volcanism, which is increasing due to the ice-age cycle.

With this said, let me point out many glaciers in South America remain
stable, and some - including the Pio XI Glacier and the Perito Moreno
Glacier - are growing. The Pio XI Glacier is the largest glacier in
the
southern hemisphere. The Moreno Glacier is the largest glacier in
Patagonia.

I find it curious that news reports do not mention these two glaciers.

* * *

Contrary to previous reports, Arctic ice did not thin during the
1990s, say
researchers at the Department of Oceanography at Göteborg University
in
Göteborg, Sweden. http://www.envirotruth.org/images/ice-in-90s.pdf

.
.
Alaska Glacier Surges -17 Mar 06
See McGinnis Glacier
.
.
Look at what's happening on Mt. Baker, in Washington State.
(Mt. Baker is near Mt. Shukson, where glaciers are now growing.)

This is a photo of my friend Jim Terrell taken on
Mt. Baker, Washington. Jim is more than six feet
tall. See the black line about six feet above his head?
That's where the snow from the winter of 1998/99
stopped melting. Above that, is snow that never
melted from the winter of 1999/2000. Why isn't
the media reporting this sort of thing?



Photo by Mazz Terrell
19 July 2000

..
Fast forward 11 years and we find...
Snow still five stories deep on Mt. Baker road
13 Jul 11 - "Deepest snow I've seen since the world-record year 1999,
when the highway didn't open for the summer," says maintenance supervisor.
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AlleyCat
2019-03-16 01:31:05 UTC
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:13:14 -0700, Siri Cruise says...
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by AlleyCat
Area Of Thick Arctic Ice Doubled In Last Two Years 31 Dec 10
- It has doubled since 2008.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Area_of_thick_arctic_ice_doubled_in
_two_years.htm
So is the total mass of all glaciers increasing or decreasing?
It's pretty self-explanatory, nerdo...

Area Of Thick Arctic Ice Doubled In Last Two Years 31 Dec 10 - It has
doubled since 2008

Where do you see anything about "total mass" or "all glaciers" mentioned?
There ARE a few glaciers NOT in the Antarctic, or did you not know that?

You lieberals can't discuss anything, unless you move the goalposts and
divert the conversations to something you only THINK you know the answers
to, because you KNOW you'd lose if you debated what the real topic is.

Gahead... cite something about world's "total mass of all glaciers",
whether they are increasing or decreasing, since that's seems what you
want the discussion steered towards.

Sorry...
--
"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
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AlleyCat
2019-03-16 01:34:37 UTC
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:13:14 -0700, Siri Cruise says...
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by AlleyCat
Area Of Thick Arctic Ice Doubled In Last Two Years 31 Dec 10
- It has doubled since 2008.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Area_of_thick_arctic_ice_doubled_in
_two_years.htm
So is the total mass of all glaciers increasing or decreasing?
No one said that, did they? Though, I'd bet that you are correct. LOL


If 90% of glaciers are growing, it's a safe bet that there is an increase,
if you believe facts and figures. Well... do you?


Climate shock: 90 percent of the world's glaciers are GROWING

A new NASA study, released on Friday, admits that ice is accumulating in
Antarctica. Satellite measurements show an 82-112 gigaton-a-year net ice
gain. That's 82-112 billion tons per year! Nine zeroes!

in other words that is 112,000,000,000 tons. Per year.

It's hard to comprehend how much ice that really is, so let's put it in
perspective. Let's assume that they're talking short tons (2,000 lbs).
That's about the weight of an old VW Beetle.

Those old Beetles measured 14 feet long. Multiply 112 billion by 14 feet
and you get 1,560 billion feet. Divide that by the distance from the earth
to the moon (239,000 miles), and you'd have a string of VW Beetles
stretching all the way to the moon.

Not once, not twice, but 45 times. All the way to the moon. That's a
helluva lot of new ice. Every single year. And we're worried about global
warming?

Not only is the Antarctic Ice Sheet growing, NASA admits that the growth
is actually reducing sea-level rise. This also confirms what I've been
saying all along. Antarctica contains 90 percent of the earth's ice. If
the Antarctic Ice Sheet is growing, wouldn't that mean that more than 90
percent of the world's glaciers are growing?

Here are excerpts, taken from NASA's own website:
"NASA - Antarctic Ice Sheet is Growing"

A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that
began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to
outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) 2013 report, which says
that Antarctica is overall losing land ice.

According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet
showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001.
That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and
2008.

"We're essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase
in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine
Island region of West Antarctica," said Jay Zwally, a glaciologist with
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author
of the study, which was published on Oct. 30 in the Journal of Glaciology.
"Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West
Antarctica - there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the
other areas." Zwally added that his team "measured small height changes
over large areas, as well as the large changes observed over smaller
areas."

Scientists calculate how much the ice sheet is growing or shrinking from
the changes in surface height that are measured by the satellite
altimeters. In locations where the amount of new snowfall accumulating on
an ice sheet is not equal to the ice flow downward and outward to the
ocean, the surface height changes and the ice-sheet mass grows or shrinks.

The study analyzed changes in the surface height of the Antarctic ice
sheet measured by radar altimeters on two European Space Agency European
Remote Sensing (ERS) satellites, spanning from 1992 to 2001, and by the
laser altimeter on NASA's Ice, Cloud, and land Elevation Satellite
(ICESat) from 2003 to 2008.

They also used information on snow accumulation for tens of thousands of
years, derived by other scientists from ice cores, to conclude that East
Antarctica has been thickening for a very long time.

The extra snowfall that began 10,000 years ago has been slowly
accumulating on the ice sheet and compacting into solid ice over
millennia, thickening the ice in East Antarctica and the interior of West
Antarctica by an average of 0.7 inches (1.7 centimeters) per year.

"The good news is that Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea
level rise, but is taking 0.23 millimeters per year away," Zwally said.
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Siri Cruise
2019-03-16 02:09:11 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:13:14 -0700, Siri Cruise says...
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by AlleyCat
Area Of Thick Arctic Ice Doubled In Last Two Years 31 Dec 10
- It has doubled since 2008.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Area_of_thick_arctic_ice_doubled_in
_two_years.htm
So is the total mass of all glaciers increasing or decreasing?
No one said that, did they? Though, I'd bet that you are correct. LOL
If 90% of glaciers are growing, it's a safe bet that there is an increase,
if you believe facts and figures. Well... do you?
Climate shock: 90 percent of the world's glaciers are GROWING
A new NASA study, released on Friday, admits that ice is accumulating in
Antarctica. Satellite measurements show an 82-112 gigaton-a-year net ice
gain. That's 82-112 billion tons per year! Nine zeroes!
in other words that is 112,000,000,000 tons. Per year.
It's hard to comprehend how much ice that really is, so let's put it in
perspective. Let's assume that they're talking short tons (2,000 lbs).
That's about the weight of an old VW Beetle.
Those old Beetles measured 14 feet long. Multiply 112 billion by 14 feet
and you get 1,560 billion feet. Divide that by the distance from the earth
to the moon (239,000 miles), and you'd have a string of VW Beetles
stretching all the way to the moon.
Not once, not twice, but 45 times. All the way to the moon. That's a
helluva lot of new ice. Every single year. And we're worried about global
warming?
Not only is the Antarctic Ice Sheet growing, NASA admits that the growth
is actually reducing sea-level rise. This also confirms what I've been
saying all along. Antarctica contains 90 percent of the earth's ice. If
the Antarctic Ice Sheet is growing, wouldn't that mean that more than 90
percent of the world's glaciers are growing?
"NASA - Antarctic Ice Sheet is Growing"
A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that
began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to
outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.
The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) 2013 report, which says
that Antarctica is overall losing land ice.
According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet
showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001.
That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and
2008.
"We're essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase
in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine
Island region of West Antarctica," said Jay Zwally, a glaciologist with
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author
of the study, which was published on Oct. 30 in the Journal of Glaciology.
"Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West
Antarctica - there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the
other areas." Zwally added that his team "measured small height changes
over large areas, as well as the large changes observed over smaller
areas."
Scientists calculate how much the ice sheet is growing or shrinking from
the changes in surface height that are measured by the satellite
altimeters. In locations where the amount of new snowfall accumulating on
an ice sheet is not equal to the ice flow downward and outward to the
ocean, the surface height changes and the ice-sheet mass grows or shrinks.
The study analyzed changes in the surface height of the Antarctic ice
sheet measured by radar altimeters on two European Space Agency European
Remote Sensing (ERS) satellites, spanning from 1992 to 2001, and by the
laser altimeter on NASA's Ice, Cloud, and land Elevation Satellite
(ICESat) from 2003 to 2008.
They also used information on snow accumulation for tens of thousands of
years, derived by other scientists from ice cores, to conclude that East
Antarctica has been thickening for a very long time.
The extra snowfall that began 10,000 years ago has been slowly
accumulating on the ice sheet and compacting into solid ice over
millennia, thickening the ice in East Antarctica and the interior of West
Antarctica by an average of 0.7 inches (1.7 centimeters) per year.
"The good news is that Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea
level rise, but is taking 0.23 millimeters per year away," Zwally said.
So much butthurt over one question. You always give the best rants.
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AlleyCat
2019-03-16 02:24:10 UTC
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 19:09:11 -0700, Siri Cruise says...
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by AlleyCat
"The good news is that Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea
level rise, but is taking 0.23 millimeters per year away," Zwally said.
So much butthurt over one question. You always give the best rants.
It's not a "rant", when it shows you liars for what you are... worthless
little basement dwellers, who have NOTHING to do but piss and moan about
the world, because you're such a small part of it.

"So much butthurt"??

It's ONE article, doofus.

I COULD do what some here do and truncate then concatenate with a simple
title, [...] and the URL, but the way I do it makes you rant that I'm
ranting.

Mission accomplished. You can't refute, so out comes the "you give good
rant" bullshit.

Refute what I post, boozer.

No butthurt, no rant, but you DO look stupid, now.
--
"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
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AlleyCat
2019-03-15 21:17:26 UTC
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On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 04:32:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr. snorted semen out his nose and said...

Nothing provable.

=====

PROVABLE:

Scientist Confesses: "Global Warming a $22 Billion Scam"

Proof Is Emerging That Al Gore And Even President Obama Have Financially
Benefited From Fueling The Global Warming Hysteria

You are likely familiar with the story of the failed Solyndra green
energy initiative, which cost taxpayers $500 million; President Obama
took a lot of flak for that.

But here's a little-known side of the Solyndra story I bet you haven't
heard: Obama, in essence, used taxpayer money to finance his re-election
campaign... by funneling it through Solyndra.

When Solyndra fell on hard times, it passed into the hands of two large
private equity investors... Goldman Sachs and George Kaiser. When $500
million in taxpayer money was given to Solyndra, both Goldman Sachs and
George Kaiser benefited. Coincidentally, both have made contributions to
Obama's election campaigns adding up to roughly $1.25 million.

It doesn't stop there.

In 2010, another federal loan of $400 million went Abound Solar. That
resulted in a bankruptcy as well. But investors in Abound Solar seemed
to do just fine... investors like billionaire heiress Patricia Stryker.

Stryker has famously contributed $500,000 to the Coalition for Progress
while throwing $85,000 toward Obama's inaugural committee. It's just a
coincidence that the government handed a company she invested in $400
million just before bankruptcy... right?

There's also A123 Systems, which paid one lobbying firm $970,000 to
secure money from the government - and received $279 million in federal
assistance.

The CEO of A123 Systems went on to fund multiple Democratic senators and
contributed to Obama's campaign.

"First Solar" received $646 million in government loan guarantees, and
has since contributed more than $180,000 to Democratic campaigns.

GE is notorious for spending tens of millions of dollars a year to "buy"
green energy credits for its wind turbines and other green technologies
- credits which helped the firm pay ZERO taxes in 2011.

There are a host of other examples of liberals getting wealthy off
"global warming" initiatives just like these.

You can see why green energy is such a profitable business - CEOs and
executives get to rake in millions of dollars, while politicians get
lucrative donations for their campaigns... and scientists get all the
funding they need to keep them going... all on your dime.

While $22 billion of our money is being redistributed every year to
greedy scientists, politicians, and corporations... the REAL cost is
$1.75 TRILLION.
--
"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI
AlleyCat
2019-03-15 21:17:27 UTC
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On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 04:32:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr. snorted semen out his
nose and said...

Nothing provable.

=====

Climate Change: What Do Scientists Say?
RICHARD LINDZEN

I'm an atmospheric physicist. I've published more than 200 scientific
papers. For 30 years I taught at MIT, during which time the climate has
changed remarkably little.

But the cry of "global warming" has grown ever more shrill. In fact, it
seems that the less the climate changes, the louder the voices of the
climate alarmists get.

So, let's clear the air and create a more accurate picture of where we
really stand on the issue of global warming or, as it is now called -
"climate change."

There are basically three groups of people dealing with this issue. Groups
one and two are scientists. Group three consists mostly, at its core, of
politicians, environmentalists and the media.

Group one is associated with the scientific part of the United Nation's
International Panel on Climate Change or IPCC (Working Group 1). These are
scientists who mostly believe that recent climate change is primarily due
to man's burning of fossil fuels-oil, coal and natural gas.

This releases C02, carbon dioxide, into the atmosphere and, they believe,
this might eventually dangerously heat the planet.

Group two is made up of scientists who don't see this as an especially
serious problem. This is the group I belong to. We're usually referred to
as skeptics. We note that there are many reasons why the climate changes-
the sun, clouds, oceans, the orbital variations of the earth, as well as a
myriad of other inputs.

None of these is fully understood, and there is no evidence that CO2
emissions are the dominant factor. But actually there is much agreement
between both groups of scientists.

The following are such points of agreement:

1) The climate is always changing.

2) CO2 is a greenhouse gas without which life on earth is not possible,
but adding it to the atmosphere should lead to some warming.

3) Atmospheric levels of CO2 have been increasing since the end of the
Little Ice Age in the 19th century.

4) Over this period (the past two centuries), the global mean temperature
has increased slightly and erratically by about 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit or
one degree Celsius; but only since
the 1960's have man's greenhouse emissions been sufficient to play a role.

Free Courses for Free Minds

5) Given the complexity of climate, no confident prediction about future
global mean temperature or its impact can be made. The IPCC acknowledged
in its own 2007 report that "The long-term prediction of future climate
states is not possible."

Most importantly, the scenario that the burning of fossil fuel leads to
catastrophe isn't part of what either group asserts. So why are so many
people worried, indeed, panic stricken about this issue.

Here's where Group Three comes in-the politicians, environmentalists, and
media. Global warming alarmism provides them, more than any other issue,
with the things they most want: For politicians it's money and power.

For environmentalists it's money for their organizations and confirmation
of their near religious devotion to the idea that man is a destructive
force acting upon nature. And for the media it's ideology, money, and
headlines.

Doomsday scenarios sell.

Meanwhile, over the last decade, scientists outside of climate physics
have jumped on the bandwagon, publishing papers blaming global warming for
everything from acne to the Syrian civil war. And crony capitalists have
eagerly grabbed for the subsidies that governments have so lavishly
provided.

Unfortunately, group three is winning the argument because they have
drowned out the serious debate that should be going on.

But while politicians, environmentalists and media types can waste a lot
of money and scare a lot of people, they won't be able to bury the truth.
The climate will have the final word on that.

I'm Richard Lindzen, emeritus professor of atmospheric sciences at MIT,
for Prager University.
--
"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI
AlleyCat
2019-03-15 21:17:37 UTC
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On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 04:32:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr. snorted semen out his
nose and said...

Nothing provable.

=====

Nearly 90% of Temperature Stations Show Extreme Heat Bias, Study Says
August 1, 2009 James M. Taylor

Eighty-nine percent of official U.S. temperature measurement stations
are corrupted by poor site selection that gives false warming signals,
according to a new study by meteorologist Anthony Watts.

According to the federal government's own siting criteria, the
corrupting influences at those stations create a margin of error larger
than the entire asserted warming of the twentieth century.

Startling Degree of Error

The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC),
whose findings are often referred to by the news media and global
warming alarmists, claims temperatures rose 0.74 degrees Celsius over
the past century. However, Watts' survey of official U.S. temperature
stations shows 89 percent are so poorly located and maintained-according
to U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) published
standards-they have an error margin of greater than 1.00 degree Celsius.

Worse, 69 percent have an error margin of greater than 2.00 degrees
Celsius, and 11 percent have an error margin of greater than 5.00
degrees Celsius.

A variety of factors are responsible for the flawed data and resultant
warming bias, the study reports.

Some stations have been corrupted by land-use changes and urban
development nearby, resulting in an artificial warming signal over time.
Other stations were moved from uncorrupted sites to corrupted ones for
the convenience of persons reading the temperatures. Still others are
and always have been located in places that are just plain ridiculous,
the study shows.

Examples of Flawed Stations

A vivid example is the Forest Grove, Oregon official temperature station
(see photo). As if the heat signature of the building, just 10 feet
away, weren't corrupting enough, the temperature station is located
beside the exhaust grill of a window air conditioning unit.

The artificial heat signature from the unit's exhaust did not exist to
corrupt the data 50 to 75 years ago but results in an upward bias in
recent temperature reports.

Similarly biased is the Aberdeen, Washington official temperature
station (see photo). Not only is the station located beside an asphalt
parking lot, but employees are encouraged to fire up their lighters and
smoke cigarettes at the cigarette butt collector right beside the
temperature station.

Another bizarre location choice is the Redding, California official
temperature station (see photo). Consider what happens to the
temperature reading every time that large light bulb, right above the
thermometer, is turned on.

At the Tahoe City, California official temperature station, there's a
trash-burning barrel right beside the temperature station (see photo),
with an exhaust vent set up to spew furnace-like heat just five feet
away from the measuring device.

The before-and-after photographs of the official temperature station at
Hopkinsville, Kentucky demonstrate how bias creeps in over time. Notice
in the first photograph the temperature station was set up 30 years ago
on a grassy lawn approximately six feet from the building. In the second
photograph we see where it is today: adjacent to the building, right
above an asphalt driveway and a barbeque. Hamburgers and hot dogs aren't
the only things heating up when somebody decides to cook on the grill!

"Changing the technology and locations of temperature stations and a
blatant disregard for NOAA's own rules about keeping sensors at least
100 feet away from heat sources and radiative surfaces have undoubtedly
contaminated the U.S. temperature record," Watts observes.

Changed Paint Guidelines

The stations with excessive temperature bias due to poor siting are only
part of the story, Watts reports. Another source of heat bias was added
in 1979 when NOAA changed its guidelines on temperature shelters to
specify white latex paint instead of whitewash.

Watts found white latex paint on the shelters adds 0.55 degrees
Fahrenheit (roughly 0.30 degrees Celsius) to the temperature readings
when compared with whitewash. This heat bias alone is equal to roughly
45 percent of the asserted warming of the twentieth century.

Arbitrary Upward Adjustments

Watts also shows NOAA has introduced additional bias to the temperature
record by arbitrarily adjusting temperature data ... upward.

Common sense dictates the nearly threefold growth in U.S. population
during the twentieth century was accompanied by urbanization that
created artificial heat islands corrupting the temperature data at even
the most carefully located temperature station. Yet NOAA not only
declines to adjust the raw temperature data downward to account for such
inevitable heat bias, it instead adjusts the data upward, as if more
asphalt, automobiles, electronics, and buildings create artificial
cooling signatures instead of artificial heat signatures.

Anybody who lives near a large city knows urbanization creates
artificial heat signatures, not cooling zones.

"Adjustments applied to 'homogenize' the data ... impart an even larger
false warming trend to the data," the study reports. "NOAA's
'adjustments,' in other words, account for nearly one-half the
agreed-upon rise in temperature during the twentieth century. The same
adjustments are applied to the ... global temperature dataset."
--
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AlleyCat
2019-03-15 21:17:48 UTC
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On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 04:32:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr. snorted semen out his
nose and said...

Nothing provable.

=====

The Earth Is Flourishing, Despite The Liberal's Chicken Little Views

There are FEWER climate and weather related deaths now, than ever before.
Man is adapting damn well to whatever the Earth throws at him.

Here is a graph comparing CO² emissions, the alleged climate danger, to
the number of climate-related deaths, which reflects actual climate danger
to humans. It's striking - as CO² emissions rise, climate-related deaths
plunge.

To make matters better, in reality the trend is even more dramatically
downward, as before the 1970's many disasters went unreported.

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/wp-content/uploads/boden.png

WE aren't to blame for anything related to climate OR weather. CO² does
NOT cause Global Warming, or it would MUCH hotter than it is now, with a
RISING temperature, IF CO² caused warming at all.

Temperatures are down, and there is NO warming. And since the "Climate
Change" bullshit is predicated ON Global Warming, then that really can't
exist either. But it does, in the case of NATURAL Climate Change, not for
anthropogenic reasons.
--
"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
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AlleyCat
2019-03-15 21:17:59 UTC
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On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 04:32:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr. snorted semen out his
nose and said...

Nothing provable.

=====

1317) Great European Drought and Famine Creating the worst Drought and
Famine ever seen in Europe, the Great Drought and Famine of 1315-1317,
also known as the Great European Drought and Famine, was actually a series
of crises. The tragedy, that killed an estimated 7.5 million people, was
caused by strange weather and unrelenting rains.

1603) Russian Drought and Famine of 1601--03 Killing one-third of
the population.

1632) India... Deccan drought and Famine of 1630 -- 32 An estimated two
million perished.

1770) Bengal Drought and Famine of 1770 - An estimated 15 million perished
in the Drought and Famine

1868) Finnish Drought and Famine of 1866--68 Killed between 15 and 20
percent of the population in the area or roughly 150,000 people.

1878) Indian Great Drought and Famine of 1876--78 This tragedy that took
the lives of as many as 10.3 million.

1879) Northern Chinese Drought and Famine Lasted from 1876 to 1879 and is
believed to have killed 13 million people.

1902) India Drought and Famine: Took place between 1896 and 1902, claiming
an estimated 19 million lives.

1907) Chinese Drought and Famine of 1907 In a matter of months an
estimated 24 million people were killed. (California drought was YUGE...
he said sarcastically)

1921) Russian Drought and Famine of 1921 It killed as many as 10 million.

1933) Soviet Drought and Famine of 1932--33 Between seven and 10 million
were killed

1930) Chinese Drought and Famine of 1928--30 Killed an estimated three
million people over the three-year span.

1941) Chinese Drought 1941 An estimated three million perished.

1943) Bengal Drought and Famine of 1943 Killed between 1.4 and 4 million
people

1945) Vietnamese Drought and Famine of 1945 Overall, between 400,000 and
two million perished as a result.

1974) Bangladesh Drought and Famine of 1974 Estimates state between 26,000
and one million perished in the disaster.

1985) 1984--85 Drought and Famine in Ethiopia Killed an estimated one
million people in the region.

=====

India... Deccan drought and Famine of 1630--32 An estimated two million
perished.

Indian Great Drought and Famine of 1876--78 This tragedy that took the
lives of as many as 10.3 million.

India Drought and Famine: Took place between 1896 and 1902, claiming an
estimated 19 million lives.

Chinese Drought and Famine of 1907 In a matter of months an estimated 24
million people were killed. (California drought... HA, he said
sarcastically)

Bengal Drought and Famine of 1770 An estimated 15 million perished in the
Drought and Famine

Northern Chinese Drought and Famine Lasted from 1876 to 1879 and is
believed to have killed 13 million people.

Great European Drought and Famine Creating the worst Drought and Famine
ever seen in Europe, the Great Drought and Famine of 1315-1317, also known
as the Great European Drought and Famine, was actually a series of crises.
The tragedy, that killed an estimated 7.5 million people, was caused by
strange weather and unrelenting rains.

WHAAAAT!!!??? Strange weather back in the 1300's... say it ain't SO!!!!!!
Must have been sheep farts, huh?

Soviet Drought and Famine of 1932--33 Between seven and 10 million were
killed

Russian Drought and Famine of 1921 It killed as many as 10 million.

Chinese Drought 1941 An estimated three million perished.

Chinese Drought and Famine of 1928--30 Killed an estimated three million
people over the three-year span.

Russian Drought and Famine of 1601--03 Killing one-third of the
population.

Vietnamese Drought and Famine of 1945 Overall, between 400,000 and two
million perished as a result.

Bengal Drought and Famine of 1943 Killed between 1.4 and 4 million people

Great Irish Drought and Famine One million in fatalities and another one
million in residents who emigrated as a result.

1984--85 Drought and Famine in Ethiopia Killed an estimated one million
people in the region.

Horn of Africa Drought and Famine Over one million reportedly died during
that time in the areas of Ethiopia, Sudan and Somalia.

Bangladesh Drought and Famine of 1974 Estimates state between 26,000 and
one million perished in the disaster.

Finnish Drought and Famine of 1866--68 Killed between 15 and 20 percent of
the population in the area or roughly 150,000 people.

=====

1) Russian Drought and Famine of 1601--03 Killing one-third of
the population.

2) India... Deccan drought and Famine of 1630 -- 32 An estimated
two million perished.

3) Chinese Drought and Famine of 1907 In a matter of months an
estimated 24 million people were killed. (California
drought... HA, he said sarcastically)

4) India Drought and Famine: Took place between 1896 and 1902,
claiming an estimated 19 million lives.

5) Bengal Drought and Famine of 1770 An estimated 15 million
perished in the Drought and Famine

6) Northern Chinese Drought and Famine Lasted from 1876 to 1879
and is believed to have killed 13 million people.

7) Indian Great Drought and Famine of 1876--78 This tragedy
that took the lives of as many as 10.3 million.

8) Russian Drought and Famine of 1921 It killed as many as 10
million.

9) Soviet Drought and Famine of 1932--33 Between seven and 10
million were killed

10) Great European Drought and Famine Creating the worst Drought
and Famine ever seen in Europe, the Great Drought and Famine
of 1315-1317, also known as the Great European Drought and
Famine, was actually a series of crises. The tragedy, that
killed an estimated 7.5 million people, was caused by
strange weather and unrelenting rains.

11) Bengal Drought and Famine of 1943 Killed between 1.4 and 4
million people

12) Chinese Drought and Famine of 1928--30 Killed an estimated
three million people over the three-year span.

13) Chinese Drought 1941 An estimated three million perished.

14) Vietnamese Drought and Famine of 1945 Overall, between
400,000 and two million perished as a result.

15) Bangladesh Drought and Famine of 1974 Estimates state
between 26,000 and one million perished in the disaster.

16) 1984--85 Drought and Famine in Ethiopia Killed an estimated
one million people in the region.

17) Horn of Africa Drought and Famine Over one million
reportedly died during that time in the areas of Ethiopia,
Sudan and Somalia.

18) Finnish Drought and Famine of 1866--68 Killed between 15 and
20 percent of the population in the area or roughly 150,000
people.

19) Great Irish Drought and Famine One million in fatalities and
another one million in residents who emigrated as a result.
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Post by AlleyCat
On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 04:32:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr. snorted semen out his
nose and said...
Nothing provable.
=====
1317) Great European Drought and Famine Creating the worst Drought and
Famine ever seen in Europe, the Great Drought and Famine of 1315-1317,
also known as the Great European Drought and Famine, was actually a series
of crises. The tragedy, that killed an estimated 7.5 million people, was
caused by strange weather and unrelenting rains.
So no accompanying drought in China? Rest of the world was just fine?
Post by AlleyCat
1603) Russian Drought and Famine of 1601--03 Killing one-third of
the population.
1632) India... Deccan drought and Famine of 1630 -- 32 An estimated two
million perished.
1770) Bengal Drought and Famine of 1770 - An estimated 15 million perished
in the Drought and Famine
1868) Finnish Drought and Famine of 1866--68 Killed between 15 and 20
percent of the population in the area or roughly 150,000 people.
1878) Indian Great Drought and Famine of 1876--78 This tragedy that took
the lives of as many as 10.3 million.
1879) Northern Chinese Drought and Famine Lasted from 1876 to 1879 and is
believed to have killed 13 million people.
1902) India Drought and Famine: Took place between 1896 and 1902, claiming
an estimated 19 million lives.
1907) Chinese Drought and Famine of 1907 In a matter of months an
estimated 24 million people were killed. (California drought was YUGE...
he said sarcastically)
1921) Russian Drought and Famine of 1921 It killed as many as 10 million.
1933) Soviet Drought and Famine of 1932--33 Between seven and 10 million
were killed
1930) Chinese Drought and Famine of 1928--30 Killed an estimated three
million people over the three-year span.
1941) Chinese Drought 1941 An estimated three million perished.
1943) Bengal Drought and Famine of 1943 Killed between 1.4 and 4 million
people
1945) Vietnamese Drought and Famine of 1945 Overall, between 400,000 and
two million perished as a result.
1974) Bangladesh Drought and Famine of 1974 Estimates state between 26,000
and one million perished in the disaster.
1985) 1984--85 Drought and Famine in Ethiopia Killed an estimated one
million people in the region.
=====
India... Deccan drought and Famine of 1630--32 An estimated two million
perished.
Indian Great Drought and Famine of 1876--78 This tragedy that took the
lives of as many as 10.3 million.
India Drought and Famine: Took place between 1896 and 1902, claiming an
estimated 19 million lives.
Chinese Drought and Famine of 1907 In a matter of months an estimated 24
million people were killed. (California drought... HA, he said
sarcastically)
Bengal Drought and Famine of 1770 An estimated 15 million perished in the
Drought and Famine
Northern Chinese Drought and Famine Lasted from 1876 to 1879 and is
believed to have killed 13 million people.
Great European Drought and Famine Creating the worst Drought and Famine
ever seen in Europe, the Great Drought and Famine of 1315-1317, also known
as the Great European Drought and Famine, was actually a series of crises.
The tragedy, that killed an estimated 7.5 million people, was caused by
strange weather and unrelenting rains.
WHAAAAT!!!??? Strange weather back in the 1300's... say it ain't SO!!!!!!
Must have been sheep farts, huh?
Soviet Drought and Famine of 1932--33 Between seven and 10 million were
killed
Russian Drought and Famine of 1921 It killed as many as 10 million.
Chinese Drought 1941 An estimated three million perished.
Chinese Drought and Famine of 1928--30 Killed an estimated three million
people over the three-year span.
Russian Drought and Famine of 1601--03 Killing one-third of the
population.
Vietnamese Drought and Famine of 1945 Overall, between 400,000 and two
million perished as a result.
Bengal Drought and Famine of 1943 Killed between 1.4 and 4 million people
Great Irish Drought and Famine One million in fatalities and another one
million in residents who emigrated as a result.
1984--85 Drought and Famine in Ethiopia Killed an estimated one million
people in the region.
Horn of Africa Drought and Famine Over one million reportedly died during
that time in the areas of Ethiopia, Sudan and Somalia.
Bangladesh Drought and Famine of 1974 Estimates state between 26,000 and
one million perished in the disaster.
Finnish Drought and Famine of 1866--68 Killed between 15 and 20 percent of
the population in the area or roughly 150,000 people.
=====
1) Russian Drought and Famine of 1601--03 Killing one-third of
the population.
2) India... Deccan drought and Famine of 1630 -- 32 An estimated
two million perished.
3) Chinese Drought and Famine of 1907 In a matter of months an
estimated 24 million people were killed. (California
drought... HA, he said sarcastically)
4) India Drought and Famine: Took place between 1896 and 1902,
claiming an estimated 19 million lives.
5) Bengal Drought and Famine of 1770 An estimated 15 million
perished in the Drought and Famine
6) Northern Chinese Drought and Famine Lasted from 1876 to 1879
and is believed to have killed 13 million people.
7) Indian Great Drought and Famine of 1876--78 This tragedy
that took the lives of as many as 10.3 million.
8) Russian Drought and Famine of 1921 It killed as many as 10
million.
9) Soviet Drought and Famine of 1932--33 Between seven and 10
million were killed
10) Great European Drought and Famine Creating the worst Drought
and Famine ever seen in Europe, the Great Drought and Famine
of 1315-1317, also known as the Great European Drought and
Famine, was actually a series of crises. The tragedy, that
killed an estimated 7.5 million people, was caused by
strange weather and unrelenting rains.
11) Bengal Drought and Famine of 1943 Killed between 1.4 and 4
million people
12) Chinese Drought and Famine of 1928--30 Killed an estimated
three million people over the three-year span.
13) Chinese Drought 1941 An estimated three million perished.
14) Vietnamese Drought and Famine of 1945 Overall, between
400,000 and two million perished as a result.
15) Bangladesh Drought and Famine of 1974 Estimates state
between 26,000 and one million perished in the disaster.
16) 1984--85 Drought and Famine in Ethiopia Killed an estimated
one million people in the region.
17) Horn of Africa Drought and Famine Over one million
reportedly died during that time in the areas of Ethiopia,
Sudan and Somalia.
18) Finnish Drought and Famine of 1866--68 Killed between 15 and
20 percent of the population in the area or roughly 150,000
people.
19) Great Irish Drought and Famine One million in fatalities and
another one million in residents who emigrated as a result.
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AlleyCat
2019-03-16 00:27:00 UTC
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 17:21:54 -0700 (PDT), America is Great says...
The "experts" the Left relied on didn't go back to the 1300's
They KNOW, that if they go back ANY TIME before the "Little Ice Age",
which is their bullshit baseline, they HAVE to show that the globe has
warmed before... MANY times before, and JUST in the last 10,000 years.

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2019-03-16 00:59:45 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 17:21:54 -0700 (PDT), America is Great says...
The "experts" the Left relied on didn't go back to the 1300's
They KNOW, that if they go back ANY TIME before the "Little Ice Age",
which is their bullshit baseline, they HAVE to show that the globe has
warmed before... MANY times before, and JUST in the last 10,000 years.
You chose that year. And you admitted it was a local weather drought not a
global climatic drought.
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AlleyCat
2019-03-16 02:29:01 UTC
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 17:59:45 -0700, Siri Cruise says...
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by AlleyCat
They KNOW, that if they go back ANY TIME before the "Little Ice Age",
which is their bullshit baseline, they HAVE to show that the globe has
warmed before... MANY times before, and JUST in the last 10,000 years.
You chose that year.
Yes... **I** chose that year... MY article. This is not YOUR thread. Start
another one and talk about your nonexistent world-wide drought, though
there never HAS been a world-wide drought, dumbass.
Post by Siri Cruise
And you admitted it was a local weather drought not a
global climatic drought.
I admitted no such thing. Move those goalposts... IF you even know what a
goalpost is, nerd. LOL

Keep it going, nerdo... people need a good laugh... at you.
--
"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
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AlleyCat
2019-03-16 00:33:32 UTC
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:15:50 -0700, Siri Cruise says...
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by AlleyCat
1317) Great European Drought and Famine Creating the worst Drought and
Famine ever seen in Europe, the Great Drought and Famine of 1315-1317,
also known as the Great European Drought and Famine, was actually a series
of crises. The tragedy, that killed an estimated 7.5 million people, was
caused by strange weather and unrelenting rains.
So no accompanying drought in China? Rest of the world was just fine?
Google is your friend.
--
"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI
AlleyCat
2019-03-16 02:42:14 UTC
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 17:58:22 -0700, Siri Cruise says...
The "experts" the Left relied on didn't go back to the 1300's
China kept records back then.
Show us their records.

When China has a drought, is it world-wide? No... it's not even CHINA-
wide.

https://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/18000/18208/chinapanom_
spt_200703_lrg.jpg

Global warming doesn't cause droughts, or the WHOLE of China, and the
world for that matter, would be affected, not just small parts, as
evidenced in the picture listed above.

WEATHER patterns change, CONSTANTLY, so droughts happen in different
places at different times.
What do they say about a drought that year?
Oo ee oo ah ah, ting tang, walla walla bing bang?

WHO said there was a drought in China "that" specific year? YOU come up
with what they "said", since YOU seem to KNOW they have records.

Maybe they said:

http://www.hlbe.gov.cn/openness/detail/content/58ad340d0fbaefe815000000.ht
ml
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"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
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AlleyCat
2019-03-15 21:18:00 UTC
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On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 04:32:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr. snorted semen out his
nose and said...

Nothing provable.

=====

Enviro-Psychologists Confirm Climate Alarmists Are Making Themselves
Mentally Sick... "Doomer Depression"

The strategy of scaring people into action on climate change has backfired
totally, so writes Kathrin Burger of the German leftist TAZ daily in a
piece titled: Horror Scenarios Promote Depression.

Psychologists say that many who have been listening excessively to climate
alarmists are now ready for therapy.

It turns out the alarmists, with all their climate doom and gloom, have
only succeeded in spreading depression among themselves and those around
them.

It's only normal that people who surround themselves with incurable
pessimists also eventually become pessimistic themselves, and eventually
get depressed or mentally ill. This is what's happening within the climate
movement in Germany, enviro-psychologists say.


Alarmism As A Mental Disorder

It can be convincingly argued that mental illness is indeed a chronic
problem among many climate alarmists and their followers. Many are
paranoid that a trace gas (0.04% of the total gases in the atmosphere...
0.04%... LOL) is causing a climate catastrophe.

They even blame bad weather on the CO² trace gas, with some even going so
far as to blame earthquakes and war on the man-made CO² molecules in the
air.

"Seemingly educated" scientists are obsessed with a coming climate
catastrophe to the point where they even refuse to believe any data
showing to the contrary.

OMG... climate screechers to a tee, huh Lee Lee and Tommy Tee?

And now that many western societies have been exposed to climate pessimism
and alarmism for a good 25 years, it's little wonder we are finding
reports confirming that all the climate doom-saying is causing more
depression globally, so writes the German leftist online TAZ.

The problem with the environmental movement, experts are finding out, is
that it is making everybody mentally sick and depressed rather than making
them more environmentally aware and responsible. People are becoming
complacent when it comes to climate-related action.

"Doomer Depression"

In the TAZ article, author Kathrin Burger admits that all the fear-
mongering indeed has been a very poor method of motivating people to
change their lives:

Florian Kaiser, environmental psychologist at the University of
Magdeburg says: "With threatening scenarios you'll likely not get anyone
to change their views."

The TAZ writes that all the scare scenarios are in fact leading to a
phenomenon dubbed: "Doomer Depression".

The TAZ, of course, takes the position that the planet is in big trouble,
and that this message needs to be communicated in a new way - in a way
that makes the message less depressing and more effective at motivating
people to change their lives. Nowhere does the TAZ write that the alarmism
itself may have its very roots in mental disorder, i.e. the CO² paranoia
and obsession mentioned above.


Here's An Excerpt Of What The TAZ Claims:

One problem is that climate change is hardly detectable and so people
have a psychological distance to it. Apocalyptic scenarios are, however,
of little help in overcoming that distance. The overly drastic prognoses
that were used especially in the 1980s only amplified the sense of
helplessness. 'Because stability is a fundamental desire of every person,
thoughts that have to do with situations of collapse often get
suppressed,' states a strategy paper of the Greens in Saxony."

The TAZ writes that communicating the message that climate change is real
and that humans need to accept drastic lifestyle changes remains a major
challenge for the movement. Many people just are not reacting to it.


People Are Not Responding To The Message

The real challenge is to find a way to shape people's perception so that
they do embrace the message communicated by the environmental cause.
Psychologist Kaiser is quoted by the TAZ as saying:

Pro-social people, those who are inclined to help others, are more
accessible for ecological argumentation and are thus more open to
dedicating themselves to the environment. However, those who do not count
themselves as being among the altruistic are very difficult to reach."

From the social engineers' point of view, the problem lies with the human
raw material that they have to deal with. The movement would be far easier
if only everyone had the right mindset and political view from the start.
Consequently many believe that the place to start is to shape the young
minds of schoolchildren at an early stage.


School Indoctrination Has Failed

One strategy used by social engineering experts is the indoctrination of
children at schools... the farms for growing future environmentalists.
Germany for example has attempted in schools for 25 years to indoctrinate
its children to become more environmentally aware and responsible. For the
results of that experiment, the TAZ quotes Ulrich Gebhardt, child
development researcher at the University of Hamburg (emphasis added):

After 25 years of environmental education at schools, the conclusion
is sobering: 'Education for sustainable development' has had no effect.'"

And all this time we thought schools were for teaching things like
reading, writing, and mathematics. For once in my life I'm glad that
schools have, in a way, failed. If anything, this shows that parents are
by far the most important force in bringing up children. Good news.

Alarmists Anonymous

So if horror scenarios and indoctrination are failing to motivate people
into action and are only causing the side effect of people getting
depressed, what strategy is now being pursued in Germany to combat the
environmental movement's side effects, i.e. depression and complacency?

Rather than re-examining the climate data and concluding there really
isn't an imminent catastrophe coming, the alarmists still continue to
insist it's real and are now coming together to produce "positive
visions" in group therapy - a sort of Alarmists Anonymous. The TAZ quotes
psychologist Gerd Webling of the Transition Town Bielefeld:

The inner and outer transition depend on each other. In this
initiative it's about meeting on a regular basis, often with
psychologists, where the members have the chance to express their
desperation and hopelessness."

For the rest of us who have avoided the doom of gloom of the climate
alarmism, my advice is that you continue doing so. Visiting skeptic sites
like this one will keep you optimistic about the future and a lot happier.

Luddite: someone who is opposed or resistant to new technologies or
technological change, like climate alarmists who believe al Gore and
President Obama, instead of SCIENTISTS.
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AlleyCat
2019-03-15 21:18:11 UTC
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On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 04:32:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr. snorted semen out his
nose and said...

Nothing provable.

=====

IPCC Official: "Climate Policy Is Redistributing The World's Wealth"
Neue Zürcher Zeitung, 14 November 2010

Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental
protection, says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer.
The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit
during which the distribution of the world's resources will be negotiated.
- Ottmar Edenhofer

For those who may not know, Ottmar Edenhofer is the co-chair of the IPCC
Working Group III.

Former WG III Co-Chair Bert Metz (left) congratulates Ottmar Edenhofer on
his election in Geneva.

Interview by: Bernard Potter

NZZ am Sonntag: Mr. Eden, everybody concerned with climate protection
demands emissions reductions. You now speak of "dangerous emissions
reduction." What do you mean?

Ottmar Edenhofer: So far economic growth has gone hand in hand with the
growth of greenhouse gas emissions. One percent growth means one percent
more emissions. The historic memory of mankind remembers: In order to get
rich one has to burn coal, oil or gas. And therefore, the emerging
economies fear CO2 emission limits.

But everybody should take part in climate protection, otherwise it does
not work.

That is so easy to say. But particularly the industrialized countries have
a system that relies almost exclusively on fossil fuels. There is no
historical precedent and no region in the world that has decoupled its
economic growth from emissions. Thus, you cannot expect that India or
China will regard CO2 emissions reduction as a great idea. And it gets
worse: We are in the midst of a renaissance of coal, because oil and gas
(sic) have become more expensive, but coal has not. The emerging markets
are building their cities and power plants for the next 70 years, as if
there would be permanently no high CO 2 price.

The new thing about your proposal for a Global Deal is the stress on the
importance of development policy for climate policy. Until now, many think
of aid when they hear development policies.

That will change immediately if global emission rights are distributed. If
this happens, on a per capita basis, then Africa will be the big winner,
and huge amounts of money will flow there. This will have enormous
implications for development policy. And it will raise the question if
these countries can deal responsibly with so much money at all.

That does not sound anymore like the climate policy that we know.

Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the
major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of
the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic
conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000
gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet - and
we must emit only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we want to keep the 2-
degree target. 11 000 to 400 - there is no getting around the fact that
most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil.

De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural
resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has
been triggered by development policy.

First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the
atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we
redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the
owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to
free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is
environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental
policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

Nevertheless, the environment is suffering from climate change -
especially in the global south.

It will be a lot to do with adaptation. But that just goes far beyond
traditional development policy: We will see in Africa with climate change
a decline in agricultural yields. But this can be avoided if the
efficiency of production is increased - and especially if the African
agricultural trade is embedded in the global economy. But for that we need
to see that successful climate policy requires other global trade and
financial policies.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/11/18/ipcc-official-%E2%80%9Cclimate-
policy-is-redistributing-the-worlds-wealth%E2%80%9D/
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AlleyCat
2019-03-15 21:18:41 UTC
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On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 04:32:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr. snorted semen out his
nose and said...

Nothing provable.

=====

Climate Change Explains Everything

After all, we all know that climate change makes for shorter winters,
except for when it makes for harsher winters.

And climate change means less snow, except for when climate change means
more snow.

And climate change causes droughts in California and floods in Texas and
Oklahoma and generally makes wet places wetter and dry places dryer,
except when it makes wet places drier and dry places wetter.

And climate change causes more hurricanes at the same time as it causes
less hurricanes.

Climate change causes more rain but less water?... and less rain but more
water?

Climate change decreases the spread of malaria at the same time as it
increases the spread of malaria but don't worry the Terminator himself
advises us not to listen to those climate change cynics... hey guys?

Do I need to go on? Oh, OK.

Climate change makes San Francisco foggier... climate change makes San
Francisco less foggy.

Climate change causes duller autumn leaves... climate change causes more
colorful autumn leaves.

Climate change makes for less salty seas... climate change makes for
saltier seas.

Climate change causes the polar ice caps to melt... climate change causes
the polar ice caps to freeze.

Climate change makes the earth hotter, unless the Earth isn't getting
hotter... in which case, climate change can explain that too.

What's the problem here? This sounds like the perfect scientific theory.
It can explain literally everything including self contradictory things.

This means it's absolutely perfect, isn't it?

Well no, not according to Karl Popper and the philosophers of science and
within the philosophy of science there's something called the demarcation
problem... how do you differentiate science from pseudo-science?

The left won't LET you, and brands you a denierrrrrrr(whining).
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AlleyCat
2019-03-15 21:18:52 UTC
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On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 04:32:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Sr. snorted semen out his
nose and said...

Nothing provable.

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Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare

Fraud: While the global warming alarmists have done a good job of
spreading fright, they haven't been so good at hiding their real
motivation. Yet another one has slipped up and revealed the catalyst
driving the climate scare.

We have been told now for almost three decades that man has to change his
ways or his fossil-fuel emissions will scorch Earth with catastrophic
warming. Scientists, politicians and activists have maintained the
narrative that their concern is only about caring for our planet and its
inhabitants. But this is simply not true. The narrative is a ruse. They
are after something entirely different.

If they were honest, the climate alarmists would admit that they are not
working feverishly to hold down global temperatures -- they would
acknowledge that they are instead consumed with the goal of holding down
capitalism and establishing a global welfare state.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/11/18/ipcc-official-%E2%80%9Cclimate-
policy-is-redistributing-the-worlds-wealth%E2%80%9D/

Have doubts? Then listen to the words of former United Nations climate
official Ottmar Edenhofer:

"One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate
policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the
environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the
ozone hole," said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.'s Intergovernmental
Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from
2008 to 2015.

So what is the goal of environmental policy?

"We redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy," said
Edenhofer.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-
admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/
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JTEM is Remarkably Flexible
2019-03-15 21:22:27 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
Scientist Confesses: "Global Warming a $22 Billion Scam"
People actually get ANGRY when they find out that you do not
wet your bed in fright over "Warming" during an ice age.

...and they get even more angry when you point out how
much COLDER it is right now than it was in the past... the
historic (not pre historic) past.

"BUT MY TV TOLD ME OTHERWISE! AND SOCIAL MEDIA!"





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