Cars Banned From French Cities

Post by Bret Cahill
Finally!
A country with a lick of sense!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/heat-wave-portugal-tames-wildfire-

french-cities-ban-cars/ar-BBLyhhN
Wild fires in Portugal are driven by the ill management of forests. Piled
fuel in forests catch fire as soon as someone throws a cigarette butt
into them.

In France, four nuclear plants have been shut not because of wildfires in
Portugal, but because demand is minimal in August. Those 4 reactors,
among 58, were selected because local authorities put unrealistic
thresholds on cooling waters.
The activist mayor of Paris banned very old diesel cars without
appropriate filters from her town, because easterlies bring fumes and
particulates from coal powered Germany and Netherlands. With hot
anticyclonic summer conditions on northern Europe, wind turbines produce
almost no power.

Byker

2018-08-07 12:28:13 UTC

Post by Paul Aubrin
Wild fires in Portugal are driven by the ill management of forests. Piled
fuel in forests catch fire as soon as someone throws a cigarette butt into
them.

Sucking aquifers dry for the sake of the tourist industry hasn't helped:

http://wwf.panda.org/?uNewsID=68900

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/world/europe/france-split-italy-fires.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/world/europe/portugal-forest-fires-pedrogao-grande.html

Paul Aubrin

2018-08-07 15:38:08 UTC

Post by Byker

Post by Paul Aubrin
Wild fires in Portugal are driven by the ill management of forests.
Piled fuel in forests catch fire as soon as someone throws a cigarette
butt into them.

http://wwf.panda.org/?uNewsID=68900
http://youtu.be/KUKr9qz_Zyg
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/world/europe/france-split-italy-

fires.html

Post by Byker
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/world/europe/portugal-forest-fires-

pedrogao-grande.html

Portugal unlike Spain, is an Atlantic country, open to Atlantic
perturbations. Southern Spain uses too much water for agriculture.
Andalusia even considered collecting water from the Ebro which flows
several hundred kilometres northward.

Unum

2018-08-07 14:44:43 UTC

Post by Bret Cahill
Finally!
A country with a lick of sense!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/heat-wave-portugal-tames-wildfire-

french-cities-ban-cars/ar-BBLyhhN
Wild fires in Portugal are driven by the ill management of forests. Piled
fuel in forests catch fire as soon as someone throws a cigarette butt
into them.

Did forest management suddenly change?

Post by Bret Cahill
In France, four nuclear plants have been shut not because of wildfires in
Portugal, but because demand is minimal in August. Those 4 reactors,
among 58, were selected because local authorities put unrealistic
thresholds on cooling waters.

What was 'unrealistic' about it? Was it something about the threshold
where the fish start to die?

R Kym Horsell

2018-08-07 14:57:35 UTC

Post by Bret Cahill
Finally!
A country with a lick of sense!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/heat-wave-portugal-tames-wildfire-

french-cities-ban-cars/ar-BBLyhhN
Wild fires in Portugal are driven by the ill management of forests. Piled
fuel in forests catch fire as soon as someone throws a cigarette butt
into them.

Did forest management suddenly change?

Forst managent fails in summer because of all the heavy drinkin.
In hotter summers theres mo drinkin.

What was 'unrealistic' about it? Was it something about the threshold
where the fish start to die?

--
Good news evvybody. Every year we dig up enough carbon to create 2 trillion
more human beens!

Paul Aubrin

2018-08-07 15:33:18 UTC

Post by Bret Cahill
Finally!
A country with a lick of sense!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/heat-wave-portugal-tames-

wildfire-

Did forest management suddenly change?

Yes, recent EU directives (laws) require that branches and bushes should
no more be removed from forests. Combustible is piling awaiting for an
inevitable spark. Fortunately previous summers were mostly cool and wet
in most Europe, but this year is different. It renewed with hot dry
summers.

Post by Bret Cahill
In France, four nuclear plants have been shut not because of wildfires
in Portugal, but because demand is minimal in August. Those 4 reactors,
among 58, were selected because local authorities put unrealistic
thresholds on cooling waters.

What was 'unrealistic' about it? Was it something about the threshold
where the fish start to die?

Temperatures are such that fishes by no mean could start to die. Those
limits are just bureaucratic red (green) tape.

Unum

2018-08-07 20:34:16 UTC

Post by Bret Cahill
Finally!
A country with a lick of sense!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/heat-wave-portugal-tames-

wildfire-

Did forest management suddenly change?

No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.

Post by Bret Cahill
In France, four nuclear plants have been shut not because of wildfires
in Portugal, but because demand is minimal in August. Those 4 reactors,
among 58, were selected because local authorities put unrealistic
thresholds on cooling waters.

What was 'unrealistic' about it? Was it something about the threshold
where the fish start to die?

Temperatures are such that fishes by no mean could start to die. Those
limits are just bureaucratic red (green) tape.

I don't think some nutjob on the internet is qualified to tell us
when aquatic life is stressed by water temperature.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/hot-weather-forces-4-french-nuclear-reactors-to-shut-down/2018/08/04/3b77d378-9810-11e8-818b-e9b7348cd87d_story.html

four French nuclear reactors in three power plants near the Rhine and the
Rhone Rivers, including Fessenheim, have had to be temporarily shut down. EDF
said the decision was made to avoid overheating the rivers.

Nuclear power plants use water from the rivers to cool down the temperatures
of their reactors before sending the water back into the rivers. Rivers that
are unusually warm can experience mass fish die-offs, which has happened in
Germany in the past week.

R Kym Horsell

2018-08-07 22:32:03 UTC

Post by Bret Cahill
Finally!
A country with a lick of sense!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/heat-wave-portugal-tames-

wildfire-

Did forest management suddenly change?

No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.

Post by Bret Cahill
In France, four nuclear plants have been shut not because of wildfires
in Portugal, but because demand is minimal in August. Those 4 reactors,
among 58, were selected because local authorities put unrealistic
thresholds on cooling waters.

What was 'unrealistic' about it? Was it something about the threshold
where the fish start to die?

Temperatures are such that fishes by no mean could start to die. Those
limits are just bureaucratic red (green) tape.

...

I think the term for some Euro ribba fish deze days is "aquaticly challenged".

Europe heatwave: Thousands of fish die in Swiss Rhine
BBC News, 07 Aug 2018 15:45Z
Thousands of fish have died in Swiss sections of the River Rhine as Europe's
heatwave continues. Swiss authorities say they have pulled a tonne of dead
fish ...

Fish Are Dying in Hamburg Due to the Heatwave in Europe
Fortune, 07 Aug 2018 13:46Z

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Tesla shares halted after string of Musk tweets on possibly taking
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CNBC, 07 Aug 2018 17:34Z

Elon Musk tweets he is taking Tesla private at $420
News.com.au, 07 Aug 2018 17:34Z

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Oil up as US sanctions on Iran expected to tighten supply
Kitco News, 07 Aug 2018 12:56Z
Many European countries, China and India, oppose the sanctions, but the
U.S. ... Analysts also warned that a global heatwave could affect oil demand.

The Latest: Dutch campsites evacuated amid brush fire
easttexasmatters.com, 07 Aug 2018 15:53Z
France's environment minister has called on motorists to comply with car restrictions amid a heat wave expected to peak Tuesday in the country.

NWSHonolulu @NWSHonolulu 07 Aug 2018 16:27Z
5am: The center of #Hector is expected to pass about 150 miles south of the
Big Island tomorrow. A Tropical Storm Watch remains in effect for all of
Hawaii County as the tropical storm force winds extend nearly 100 miles from
the center of the storm. #hiwx pic.twitter.com/fbN4kribvB
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Heatwave forces tourists to cool off in Paris' fountains
euronews, 07 Aug 2018 16:51Z
A heatwave currently gripping Spain and Portugal was moving northward to
France. The hottest weather is expected in central and northeastern France,
where ...

Army helicopters ferry water for cows, farmers seek relief in sizzling ...
China.org.cn, 07 Aug 2018 16:55Z
The government announced on Monday temporary measures to ease the
heatwave-related difficulties faced by many farmers experiencing the drying
up of their ...

German supermarket selling customers time in its cold-storage room ...
Taiwan News, 07 Aug 2018 16:58Z
Although, Germany's current heatwave is expected to ebb over the next few
days, temperatures are set to rise again next week, so Koch may yet have the ...

Assaad Razzouk @AssaadRazzouk 07 Aug 2018 17:16Z
Another one of those records we don't want to see: California twin wildfires
explode into raging monster the size of Los Angeles, become largest in
California history The previously largest? 9 months ago It's a new hot,
burning new world buff.ly/2OlX2Ud #climate pic.twitter.com/M0Fh8D8zsM
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Europe battles wildfires amid massive heat wave
ABC News, 07 Aug 2018 17:49Z

NAPLAN results delayed over concerns national data could be invalid
ABC News, 8 Aug 2018 4:56am
More than 1 million preliminary NAPLAN test results will not be released
today as planned, as state and territory education bosses dispute their
validity in a revolt against the national testing body.

Zack Labe @ZLabe 07 Aug 2018 18:56Z
Anomalous sea ice conditions continue on the Atlantic side of the #Arctic.
Sea ice extent in this region is a satellite-era record low for the date
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Catoni

2018-08-07 22:42:23 UTC

Post by Bret Cahill
Finally!
A country with a lick of sense!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/heat-wave-portugal-tames-wildfire-

french-cities-ban-cars/ar-BBLyhhN
Wild fires in Portugal are driven by the ill management of forests. Piled
fuel in forests catch fire as soon as someone throws a cigarette butt
into them.

Did forest management suddenly change?

Stupid question from stupid person.. Portugal like most countries..has been having forest fires all along.. Pehaps more these days due to a combination of stupid government management and more arsonists..

But the fact is.. many forests need a good fast forest fire once in a while... It's good for them..

Unum

2018-08-07 23:43:39 UTC

Post by Bret Cahill
Finally!
A country with a lick of sense!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/heat-wave-portugal-tames-wildfire-

french-cities-ban-cars/ar-BBLyhhN
Wild fires in Portugal are driven by the ill management of forests. Piled
fuel in forests catch fire as soon as someone throws a cigarette butt
into them.

Did forest management suddenly change?

Not interested in your brainless, uninformed opinion.

Post by Catoni
But the fact is.. many forests need a good fast forest fire once in a while... It's good for them..

No forest 'needs' for all the trees to burn up, moron.

R Kym Horsell

2018-08-08 00:09:25 UTC

Post by Bret Cahill
Finally!
A country with a lick of sense!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/heat-wave-portugal-tames-wildfire-

french-cities-ban-cars/ar-BBLyhhN
Wild fires in Portugal are driven by the ill management of forests. Piled
fuel in forests catch fire as soon as someone throws a cigarette butt
into them.

Did forest management suddenly change?

Not interested in your brainless, uninformed opinion.

Post by Catoni
But the fact is.. many forests need a good fast forest fire once in a while... It's good for them..

No forest 'needs' for all the trees to burn up, moron.

Cartoony's brand of uninformed guesswork. His mom read him some
"just so" stories as a kid and he thought it was a science lesson.

Humans have evoled to heal broken limbs.
So breaking a leg every now and then "must be good for them".
--
["Summer is caused by arsonists":]

British Columbia
Month ha burned 1995-2016
1 763555 <-- min temps, min burned
2 1776318
3 8297086
4 21755728
5 20667103
6 53640488
7 73097114
8 86129915 <-- max temps, max burned
9 52145487
10 23480742
11 13710614
12 768438 <-- min temps, min burned

Catoni

2018-08-08 00:22:07 UTC

Post by Unum
No forest 'needs' for all the trees to burn up, moron.

Most forest need a good forest fire now and then..... "Unum" the Liar is ignorant of the subject..

Unum

2018-08-08 03:02:07 UTC

Post by Unum
No forest 'needs' for all the trees to burn up, moron.

Most forest need a good forest fire now and then..... "Unum" the Liar is ignorant of the subject..

Why does the pathetic little hater want Portugal to burn?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/999951/Portugal-fires-video-Algarve-Monchique-map-2018-forest-fires

Tourists in Portugal have been evacuated as wildfires sweep the country, with
authorities scrambling to get the blaze under control.

Paul Aubrin

2018-08-08 09:17:10 UTC

Post by Unum
No forest 'needs' for all the trees to burn up, moron.

Most forest need a good forest fire now and then..... "Unum" the
Liar is ignorant of the subject..

Why does the pathetic little hater want Portugal to burn?

They should use small controlled fires during the spring in order to
avoid disastrous wildfires in summer. I recently noticed that dead wood
was no more removed from forests. I was answered that it was a new EU
policy aimed at CO2 sequestration. The effect is quite the opposite.

George 152

2018-08-08 20:25:51 UTC

Post by Unum
No forest 'needs' for all the trees to burn up, moron.

Most forest need a good forest fire now and then..... "Unum" the
Liar is ignorant of the subject..

Why does the pathetic little hater want Portugal to burn?

Ever notice as to how people live in 'leafy suburbs' and get all bitter and
twisted when their house gets destroyed in a fire.
And how there are no fire breaks and as you say all that dead vegetation
piles up

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Bret Cahill

2018-08-08 15:06:16 UTC

Post by Catoni
Most forest need a good forest fire now and then.....

Deniers think 24/7/52 is "eber now & then"

<CIA>

Paul Aubrin

2018-08-08 15:28:29 UTC

Post by Catoni
Most forest need a good forest fire now and then.....

Deniers think 24/7/52 is "eber now & then"
<CIA>

Wildfires are worse when dead wood has been allowed to pile up for years.
They become uncontrollable.

Unum

2018-08-08 18:15:44 UTC

Post by Catoni
Most forest need a good forest fire now and then.....

Deniers think 24/7/52 is "eber now & then"
<CIA>

Wildfires are worse when dead wood has been allowed to pile up for years.
They become uncontrollable.

aubrin imagines that back in the good old days people combed through the
forests and trimmed out all the dead wood.

Paul Aubrin

2018-08-08 18:26:57 UTC

Post by Catoni
Most forest need a good forest fire now and then.....

Deniers think 24/7/52 is "eber now & then"
<CIA>

Wildfires are worse when dead wood has been allowed to pile up for years.
They become uncontrollable.

aubrin imagines that back in the good old days people combed through the
forests and trimmed out all the dead wood.

In older days, they used wood to heat their homes and to cook their meals.

Unum

2018-08-08 22:55:52 UTC

Post by Catoni
Most forest need a good forest fire now and then.....

Deniers think 24/7/52 is "eber now & then"
<CIA>

Wildfires are worse when dead wood has been allowed to pile up for years.
They become uncontrollable.

aubrin imagines that back in the good old days people combed through the
forests and trimmed out all the dead wood.

In older days, they used wood to heat their homes and to cook their meals.

So wildfires aren't suddenly worse because wood was 'allowed to pile up'.

Paul Aubrin

2018-08-08 23:03:59 UTC

Post by Paul Aubrin
In older days, they used wood to heat their homes and to cook their meals.

So wildfires aren't suddenly worse because wood was 'allowed to pile up'.

Indeed. More combustible, fiercer fires.

Unum

2018-08-09 04:21:49 UTC

Post by Paul Aubrin
In older days, they used wood to heat their homes and to cook their meals.

So wildfires aren't suddenly worse because wood was 'allowed to pile up'.

Indeed. More combustible, fiercer fires.

No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.

Paul Aubrin

2018-08-09 05:02:45 UTC

Post by Paul Aubrin
In older days, they used wood to heat their homes and to cook their meals.

So wildfires aren't suddenly worse because wood was 'allowed to pile up'.

Indeed. More combustible, fiercer fires.

No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.

Never see a fire?

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

2018-08-09 05:44:05 UTC

Post by Paul Aubrin
In older days, they used wood to heat their homes and to cook their meals.

So wildfires aren't suddenly worse because wood was 'allowed to pile up'.

Indeed. More combustible, fiercer fires.

No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.

Never see a fire?

years ago animals could freely roam the lands and graze no limits on passage, no highways acting as barriers, those animals ate the lower growth

Paul Aubrin

2018-08-09 06:26:23 UTC

Post by Paul Aubrin
In older days, they used wood to heat their homes and to cook their meals.

So wildfires aren't suddenly worse because wood was 'allowed to pile up'.

Indeed. More combustible, fiercer fires.

No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.

Never see a fire?

years ago animals could freely roam the lands and graze no limits on
passage, no highways acting as barriers, those animals ate the lower
growth

More combustible, fiercer fire. Don't ask for proofs, try.

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

2018-08-09 22:41:52 UTC

Post by Paul Aubrin
In older days, they used wood to heat their homes and to cook their meals.

So wildfires aren't suddenly worse because wood was 'allowed to pile up'.

Indeed. More combustible, fiercer fires.

No cite means aubrin is lying as usual.

Never see a fire?

years ago animals could freely roam the lands and graze no limits on
passage, no highways acting as barriers, those animals ate the lower
growth

More combustible, fiercer fire. Don't ask for proofs, try.

years ago animals limited the lower growth, forest management by so called controlled burns assumes we fully can predict wind, are you now claiming we have such knowledge to better operate our grid and dismiss your fears?

Paul Aubrin

2018-08-10 04:50:27 UTC

Post by Paul Aubrin
More combustible, fiercer fire. Don't ask for proofs, try.

years ago animals limited the lower growth, forest management by so
called controlled burns assumes we fully can predict wind, are you now
claiming we have such knowledge to better operate our grid and dismiss
your fears?

Make a controlled experiment with fire your self in your barbecue. You
will easily observe that when you put more combustible, your fire burns
more and hotter.

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

2018-08-10 05:12:22 UTC

Post by Paul Aubrin
More combustible, fiercer fire. Don't ask for proofs, try.

years ago animals limited the lower growth, forest management by so
called controlled burns assumes we fully can predict wind, are you now
claiming we have such knowledge to better operate our grid and dismiss
your fears?

Make a controlled experiment with fire your self in your barbecue. You
will easily observe that when you put more combustible, your fire burns
more and hotter.

When fire is moving through steep hill sides it tends to make its own wind, thousands of years ago animals adapted for climbing those steep hillsides were not limited by private property lines, fences, highways etc and could clear out acres and acres lower growth.

Catoni

2018-08-08 00:23:54 UTC

Post by Unum
No forest 'needs' for all the trees to burn up, moron.

You know nothing..shit for brains

Forests NEED fires, insects and diseases.....

Unum

2018-08-08 03:03:36 UTC

Post by Unum
No forest 'needs' for all the trees to burn up, moron.

You know nothing..shit for brains
Forests NEED fires, insects and diseases.....

cartooni is just a sad little pile of hate and profanity.

R Kym Horsell

2018-08-08 03:18:16 UTC

Post by Unum
No forest 'needs' for all the trees to burn up, moron.

You know nothing..shit for brains
Forests NEED fires, insects and diseases.....

cartooni is just a sad little pile of hate and profanity.

Just think. Instead of struggling for 1000 years to cure disease
and extend human life expectancy to record levels
if doctors had just been trained by Cartoony they would have learned
it would have been better to break limbs, randomly cut into
and injure major organs, and spread disease instead.
--
[Paul's week-long multi-thread essay "[scientists] need for atmosphere to be
a black body":]

The subject is "Why do they so much need the atmosphere to be a black body"
-- Paul /D\Aubrin, 16 May 2014

But Paul, black body radiation IS thermal radiation. Try to stay on topic.
-- Tom P, 17 May 2014

Microwave sounding doesn't require the atmosphere to be a black body.
-- P/D\, 16 May 2014

Well in that case, what are you arguing about? You really are a complete
time-waster.
-- Tom, 17 May 2014

[/D\ubrin then goes on to make a career out of using the same black body
theory and promote satellite-based MSU measurements as more accurate than
thermometers at surface level].

Catoni

2018-08-08 09:04:07 UTC

Post by Unum
No forest 'needs' for all the trees to burn up, moron.

You know nothing..shit for brains
Forests NEED fires, insects and diseases.....

cartooni is just a sad little pile of hate and profanity.

Okay Horse smell...... maybe YOU can prove me wong ! "Unum" the Liar seems to be sitting on his fat ass picking his nose and inspecting the findings and saving it for lunch.

Prove me wrong when I said "forests NEED fires, insects and diseases... "

Come on Einstein...now PROVE that statement to be wrong ! !

Catoni

2018-08-08 09:00:47 UTC

Post by Unum
No forest 'needs' for all the trees to burn up, moron.

You know nothing..shit for brains
Forests NEED fires, insects and diseases.....

cartooni is just a sad little pile of hate and profanity.

Prove me wrong when I said "forests NEED fires, insects and diseases... "

Come on Einstein...now PROVE that statement to be wrong ! !

Unum

2018-08-08 14:10:29 UTC

Post by Unum
No forest 'needs' for all the trees to burn up, moron.

You know nothing..shit for brains
Forests NEED fires, insects and diseases.....

cartooni is just a sad little pile of hate and profanity.

Prove me wrong when I said "forests NEED fires, insects and diseases... "

What for? You made the claim, dumbass, you have to prove it.

Why does the pathetic little hater want Portugal to burn?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/999951/Portugal-fires-video-Algarve-Monchique-map-2018-forest-fires

Tourists in Portugal have been evacuated as wildfires sweep the country, with
authorities scrambling to get the blaze under control.

R Kym Horsell

2018-08-08 14:18:36 UTC

Post by Unum
No forest 'needs' for all the trees to burn up, moron.

You know nothing..shit for brains
Forests NEED fires, insects and diseases.....

cartooni is just a sad little pile of hate and profanity.

Prove me wrong when I said "forests NEED fires, insects and diseases... "

What for? You made the claim, dumbass, you have to prove it.

You'll note Cartoony indicates it's his opinion,
not something he knows to be true.

"prove me wrong" rather than "prove the statement wrong".

Technically, if someone is saying things they
can't prove to be true then its a lie.

Most of what hillbillies say is of this type
which is why it's not worth readin.

Post by Unum
Why does the pathetic little hater want Portugal to burn?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/999951/Portugal-fires-video-Algarve-Monchique-map-2018-forest-fires
Tourists in Portugal have been evacuated as wildfires sweep the country, with
authorities scrambling to get the blaze under control.

--
http://www.realclimate.org/docs/Rebuttal_Miskolczi_20100927.pdf

The alternative greenhouse theory of Miskolczi (2007,2010) results in
a constant infrared optical depth with time, meaning that there can be
no increasing greenhouse effect with time. Miskolczi suggests that
observations show this ratio to be fixed. However, both observations
and calculations with physically sound radiative transfer models show
that Miskolczi's theory does not stand up to scrutiny. Moreover, there
is ample observational evidence that the most important greenhouse
gases, water vapour and carbon dioxide have increased in the last four
decades, meaning that the total infrared optical depth is indeed
increasing. Finally, direct satellite observations of the outgoing
infrared spectrum show that the greenhouse effect has been enhanced
over this period. Even the calculations of Miskolczi show a change of
optical depth with time. Therefore, neither observations nor radiative
transfer theory can support Miskolczi's conclusions.

-- Rob van Dorland & Piers M. Forster, "Rebuttal of Miskolczi's
alternative greenhouse theory".

Unum

2018-08-08 18:14:03 UTC

Post by Unum
No forest 'needs' for all the trees to burn up, moron.

You know nothing..shit for brains
Forests NEED fires, insects and diseases.....

cartooni is just a sad little pile of hate and profanity.

Prove me wrong when I said "forests NEED fires, insects and diseases... "

What for? You made the claim, dumbass, you have to prove it.

You'll note Cartoony indicates it's his opinion,
not something he knows to be true.
"prove me wrong" rather than "prove the statement wrong".
Technically, if someone is saying things they
can't prove to be true then its a lie.
Most of what hillbillies say is of this type
which is why it's not worth readin.

My favorite flavor of ice cream is chocolate. Prove me wrong!

Catoni

2018-08-08 22:39:54 UTC

Post by Unum
No forest 'needs' for all the trees to burn up, moron.

You know nothing..shit for brains
Forests NEED fires, insects and diseases.....

cartooni is just a sad little pile of hate and profanity.

Prove me wrong when I said "forests NEED fires, insects and diseases... "

What for? You made the claim, dumbass, you have to prove it.

You'll note Cartoony indicates it's his opinion,
not something he knows to be true.
"prove me wrong" rather than "prove the statement wrong".
Technically, if someone is saying things they
can't prove to be true then its a lie.
Most of what hillbillies say is of this type
which is why it's not worth readin.

Really Kimmie ? ?

Government of Canada
Natural Resources Canada

Why Forests Need Fires, Insects and Diseases

How do natural disturbances affect Canada’s forests?
Natural disturbances such as forest fires, insect and disease outbreaks, drought, wind throw and floods have occurred in Canada’s forests for thousands of years. Disturbance is part of the natural life cycle of the forest and most often helps the forest to renew itself.

Disturbances are particularly important to the cycle of regeneration and regrowth in boreal forests. Fires, as well as insect and disease outbreaks, often occur on a large scale there, more so than in Canada’s temperate forests. Here are some of the ways that these natural disturbances work to renew boreal forests.

Forest fires often stimulate new growth

Fire, the primary change agent in the boreal zone, is as crucial to forest renewal as the sun and rain. Forest fires release valuable nutrients stored in the litter on the forest floor. They open the forest canopy to sunlight, which stimulates new growth. They allow some tree species, like lodgepole and jack pine, to reproduce, opening their cones and freeing their seeds.

Insects reduce aging trees and make the forest more productive

Insects are important in the life cycle of boreal forests. Large insect outbreaks that occur regularly help to renew the forests. Insects release nutrients stored within trees. Infestations also eliminate sick and aging trees, reducing competition among trees and making the ecosystem more productive.

Diseases eliminate weak trees and give new species a chance to thrive

Diseases contribute to the forest ecosystem by speeding up the mortality of weak and over-mature trees, clearing the way for forest renewal and increasing biodiversity. Diseases also break down dead plant material, a process that recycles nutrients and organic matter. Root diseases are among the most common in boreal forests.

Canada closely monitors and reports on natural disturbances

Although natural disturbances generally benefit the long-term health of Canadian forests, they can sometimes have public safety and environmental consequences. Canada closely monitors disturbances in its forests and reports publicly on their effects. The annual State of the Forest report includes the latest information on key disturbances such as fire, insects and disease. The government also makes a number of tools available to the public, such as maps to monitor forest fire conditions in Canada and databases of insects and diseases in Canada’s forests.

Natural Resources Canada–Canadian Forest Service scientists conduct extensive research and analysis on natural disturbance in Canada’s forests. Their reports are used to inform forest management planning, forest laws and forestry practices. For example, scientific research has helped evolve modern harvesting techniques to more closely mimic the effects of natural disturbance on the forest.

Although forest fires, insects and diseases do temporarily reduce the forest area, it’s important to remember that the trees will almost always grow back. Natural disturbance should not be confused with deforestation. A forest that will grow back is still a forest.

Learn the difference between natural disturbances and deforestation
Natural disturbances like wildfire or disease are often mistakenly thought to cause deforestation. Find out why this is untrue when you read these 7 reasons why disturbances don't cause deforestation.

7 facts on disturbances and deforestation

Natural disturbances like wildfire, insects or disease are often mistaken for causes of deforestation. In fact in Canada, forests – particularly in the boreal zone – rely on disturbances to renew and revitalize themselves. Although natural disturbances do create a temporary loss in the forest cover, in the long term they help forests stay healthy and encourage diversity in the tree, plant and animal species that inhabit them. Here are 7 reasons why natural disturbances don’t cause deforestation.

1. Natural disturbances are a normal part Canada’s forests
Natural forces such as wildfires, insects, disease, drought and floods have been at work in Canada’s forests for thousands of years. A forest is a living community of organisms that is constantly changing, and natural disturbances are the biggest drivers of change. They shape the structure, age, types and diversity of the trees and other plants and animals that inhabit our forests. These natural cycles of renewal help keep forests healthy.

Natural disturbances account for considerably more lost trees in Canadian forests each year than human activities like logging or urban development. For example, in 2014 fires affected 4.6 million hectares of forest land while only 700,000 hectares were harvested.

2. Natural disturbances do not cause deforestation
Deforestation means that a forest landscape is cleared and permanently converted to another use. For example, forest land may be turned into farm land, or trees may be cut to build roads or other infrastructure to support industrial, urban or resource development. This represents a permanent loss of forest cover.

Natural disturbances cause a temporary loss of forest cover and do not contribute to deforestation, because the trees will regenerate. Forest land that temporarily has no trees is still considered a forest, since the trees will grow back in time.

3. Deforestation is not increasing in Canada
Canada carefully monitors and regularly reports on the important issue of deforestation. For the past 20 years, deforestation in Canada has been declining, and is currently at a rate of only 0.02%. Learn more about Canada’s low rate of deforestation.

Natural disturbances such as fire, disease and drought occur in cycles that may be shorter in some forest regions and longer in others. This means that disturbances may increase in some years and decrease in others. This is part of the natural life cycle of the forest. Because the loss of forest cover to natural forces is temporary, this does not affect the deforestation rate.

4. Natural forces cause more temporary forest cover loss than harvesting
Although natural disturbances and timber harvesting both create some temporary loss of forest cover, natural forces disturb far more area in Canada’s forests than is affected by harvesting. On average, over the last 25 years, about 21 times more forest area was disturbed by fires and insect outbreaks than by harvesting.

It is important to remember that these are only temporary losses in forest cover. Nearly all the forest area disturbed by natural forces and harvesting will grow back. In fact provincial laws or policies require that areas harvested on public land must be regenerated, either naturally or through planting and seeding. About 94% of Canada’s forests are on public land. Learn more about sustainable forest management.

5. Boreal forests benefit the most from natural disturbances
Natural disturbances occur in all kinds of forests, but occur more often in boreal forests than in Canada’s temperate forests. In fact, boreal forests rely on disturbances to help them rejuvenate.

Wildfires in particular help boreal forests to revitalize, to shape the forest landscape and to support biodiversity over the long term. Fire stimulates new growth and some fire-adapted tree species, such as jack pine, rely on forest fires to reproduce. Read more about fires in the boreal forest.

Large insect outbreaks and diseases are also part of the natural cycle and renew forests by releasing nutrients stored in the trees and in dead plant material. And while some types of trees die, other species are allowed to grow, which helps create diversity in the forest.

6. Sustainable forest management includes managing disturbances
Although forest fires are a natural part of the forest ecosystem and important for maintaining its health and diversity, they can also threaten communities and destroy valuable timber resources. This makes fire control a vital component of forest management in Canada. Forest agencies work to limit potential damage and costs of forest fires. In fact, governments and industry spend about half a billion dollars each year protecting forests from fire. Read more about the ways Canada manages wildfires.

7. Canada monitors the environmental impact of natural disturbances
Natural disturbances can have a major effect on the environment, including the carbon balance. Canada monitors disturbances very closely to inform management planning and as part of our climate change reporting requirements. We also report publicly on fire and insects as two key criteria in our annual State of the Forest report. By monitoring disturbances like fire and pests, forest managers can better understand their effects and take steps to mitigate the changes natural disturbances create in the environment.
http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/forests/fire-insects-disturbances/forest-need/13081

Paul Aubrin

2018-08-08 15:37:29 UTC

Post by Unum
No forest 'needs' for all the trees to burn up, moron.

You know nothing..shit for brains
Forests NEED fires, insects and diseases.....

cartooni is just a sad little pile of hate and profanity.

Prove me wrong when I said "forests NEED fires, insects and diseases... "

What for? You made the claim, dumbass, you have to prove it.
Why does the pathetic little hater want Portugal to burn?

Some forests in Portugal burned every year at least since the Roman times.
The question is how to keep those fires under control. The best answer is
to manage correctly the forest.

Post by Unum
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/999951/Portugal-fires-video-

Algarve-Monchique-map-2018-forest-fires

Post by Unum
Tourists in Portugal have been evacuated as wildfires sweep the country,
with authorities scrambling to get the blaze under control.

In Portugal like everywhere in Europe, rural populations decreased as
agricultural yields increased. Marginally productive lands were abandoned
and return to wild bush and ill managed forests.

Unum

2018-08-08 18:19:17 UTC

Post by Unum
No forest 'needs' for all the trees to burn up, moron.

You know nothing..shit for brains
Forests NEED fires, insects and diseases.....

cartooni is just a sad little pile of hate and profanity.

Prove me wrong when I said "forests NEED fires, insects and diseases... "

What for? You made the claim, dumbass, you have to prove it.
Why does the pathetic little hater want Portugal to burn?

Some forests in Portugal burned every year at least since the Roman times.
The question is how to keep those fires under control. The best answer is
to manage correctly the forest.

Not interested in some nutjob's brainless personal opinion.

Post by Unum
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/999951/Portugal-fires-video-

Algarve-Monchique-map-2018-forest-fires

Post by Unum
Tourists in Portugal have been evacuated as wildfires sweep the country,
with authorities scrambling to get the blaze under control.

In Portugal like everywhere in Europe, rural populations decreased as
agricultural yields increased. Marginally productive lands were abandoned
and return to wild bush and ill managed forests.

aubrin's usual load of unsubstantiated garbage. The wildfires are simply
the result of hotter and dryer conditions.

"The fires follow the extreme heatwave that hit Portugal and Spain with
temperatures up to 46 degrees."

R Kym Horsell

2018-08-08 20:33:26 UTC

Post by Unum
No forest 'needs' for all the trees to burn up, moron.

You know nothing..shit for brains
Forests NEED fires, insects and diseases.....

cartooni is just a sad little pile of hate and profanity.

Prove me wrong when I said "forests NEED fires, insects and diseases... "

What for? You made the claim, dumbass, you have to prove it.
Why does the pathetic little hater want Portugal to burn?

Some forests in Portugal burned every year at least since the Roman times.
The question is how to keep those fires under control. The best answer is
to manage correctly the forest.

Not interested in some nutjob's brainless personal opinion.

Post by Unum
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/999951/Portugal-fires-video-

Algarve-Monchique-map-2018-forest-fires

Post by Unum
Tourists in Portugal have been evacuated as wildfires sweep the country,
with authorities scrambling to get the blaze under control.

In Portugal like everywhere in Europe, rural populations decreased as
agricultural yields increased. Marginally productive lands were abandoned
and return to wild bush and ill managed forests.

aubrin's usual load of unsubstantiated garbage. The wildfires are simply
the result of hotter and dryer conditions.
"The fires follow the extreme heatwave that hit Portugal and Spain with
temperatures up to 46 degrees."

Pretty laughable when deniers are backed up to deny
there are no seasons.
If they admit summer exists it tends to undermine any
of their dumb claims that temperature doesnt affected
the speed of chemical reactions.

Oh, right. They deny chemistry exists, too.

--
Average ha burned by month
Portugal 1995- (GFED v4):
1 81.69
2 838.46
3 2512.48
4 711.72
5 1051.12
6 6851.59
7 20891.66
8 63776.23 <-- max fire, max temp
9 17518.08
10 7071.85
11 916.00
12 1043.20

Catoni

2018-08-08 22:37:56 UTC

Post by Catoni
Forests NEED fires, insects and diseases.....

cartooni is just a sad little pile of hate and profanity.

Prove me wrong when I said "forests NEED fires, insects and diseases... "

What for? You made the claim, dumbass, you have to prove it.

Okay .....it you wish "Unum" ......Here you go.....enjoy :)

Government of Canada
Natural Resources Canada

Why Forests Need Fires, Insects and Diseases

How do natural disturbances affect Canada’s forests?
Natural disturbances such as forest fires, insect and disease outbreaks, drought, wind throw and floods have occurred in Canada’s forests for thousands of years. Disturbance is part of the natural life cycle of the forest and most often helps the forest to renew itself.

Disturbances are particularly important to the cycle of regeneration and regrowth in boreal forests. Fires, as well as insect and disease outbreaks, often occur on a large scale there, more so than in Canada’s temperate forests. Here are some of the ways that these natural disturbances work to renew boreal forests.

Forest fires often stimulate new growth

Fire, the primary change agent in the boreal zone, is as crucial to forest renewal as the sun and rain. Forest fires release valuable nutrients stored in the litter on the forest floor. They open the forest canopy to sunlight, which stimulates new growth. They allow some tree species, like lodgepole and jack pine, to reproduce, opening their cones and freeing their seeds.

Insects reduce aging trees and make the forest more productive

Insects are important in the life cycle of boreal forests. Large insect outbreaks that occur regularly help to renew the forests. Insects release nutrients stored within trees. Infestations also eliminate sick and aging trees, reducing competition among trees and making the ecosystem more productive.

Diseases eliminate weak trees and give new species a chance to thrive

Diseases contribute to the forest ecosystem by speeding up the mortality of weak and over-mature trees, clearing the way for forest renewal and increasing biodiversity. Diseases also break down dead plant material, a process that recycles nutrients and organic matter. Root diseases are among the most common in boreal forests.

Canada closely monitors and reports on natural disturbances

Although natural disturbances generally benefit the long-term health of Canadian forests, they can sometimes have public safety and environmental consequences. Canada closely monitors disturbances in its forests and reports publicly on their effects. The annual State of the Forest report includes the latest information on key disturbances such as fire, insects and disease. The government also makes a number of tools available to the public, such as maps to monitor forest fire conditions in Canada and databases of insects and diseases in Canada’s forests.

Natural Resources Canada–Canadian Forest Service scientists conduct extensive research and analysis on natural disturbance in Canada’s forests. Their reports are used to inform forest management planning, forest laws and forestry practices. For example, scientific research has helped evolve modern harvesting techniques to more closely mimic the effects of natural disturbance on the forest.

Although forest fires, insects and diseases do temporarily reduce the forest area, it’s important to remember that the trees will almost always grow back. Natural disturbance should not be confused with deforestation. A forest that will grow back is still a forest.

Learn the difference between natural disturbances and deforestation
Natural disturbances like wildfire or disease are often mistakenly thought to cause deforestation. Find out why this is untrue when you read these 7 reasons why disturbances don't cause deforestation.

7 facts on disturbances and deforestation

Natural disturbances like wildfire, insects or disease are often mistaken for causes of deforestation. In fact in Canada, forests – particularly in the boreal zone – rely on disturbances to renew and revitalize themselves. Although natural disturbances do create a temporary loss in the forest cover, in the long term they help forests stay healthy and encourage diversity in the tree, plant and animal species that inhabit them. Here are 7 reasons why natural disturbances don’t cause deforestation.

1. Natural disturbances are a normal part Canada’s forests
Natural forces such as wildfires, insects, disease, drought and floods have been at work in Canada’s forests for thousands of years. A forest is a living community of organisms that is constantly changing, and natural disturbances are the biggest drivers of change. They shape the structure, age, types and diversity of the trees and other plants and animals that inhabit our forests. These natural cycles of renewal help keep forests healthy.

Natural disturbances account for considerably more lost trees in Canadian forests each year than human activities like logging or urban development. For example, in 2014 fires affected 4.6 million hectares of forest land while only 700,000 hectares were harvested.

2. Natural disturbances do not cause deforestation
Deforestation means that a forest landscape is cleared and permanently converted to another use. For example, forest land may be turned into farm land, or trees may be cut to build roads or other infrastructure to support industrial, urban or resource development. This represents a permanent loss of forest cover.

Natural disturbances cause a temporary loss of forest cover and do not contribute to deforestation, because the trees will regenerate. Forest land that temporarily has no trees is still considered a forest, since the trees will grow back in time.

3. Deforestation is not increasing in Canada
Canada carefully monitors and regularly reports on the important issue of deforestation. For the past 20 years, deforestation in Canada has been declining, and is currently at a rate of only 0.02%. Learn more about Canada’s low rate of deforestation.

Natural disturbances such as fire, disease and drought occur in cycles that may be shorter in some forest regions and longer in others. This means that disturbances may increase in some years and decrease in others. This is part of the natural life cycle of the forest. Because the loss of forest cover to natural forces is temporary, this does not affect the deforestation rate.

4. Natural forces cause more temporary forest cover loss than harvesting
Although natural disturbances and timber harvesting both create some temporary loss of forest cover, natural forces disturb far more area in Canada’s forests than is affected by harvesting. On average, over the last 25 years, about 21 times more forest area was disturbed by fires and insect outbreaks than by harvesting.

It is important to remember that these are only temporary losses in forest cover. Nearly all the forest area disturbed by natural forces and harvesting will grow back. In fact provincial laws or policies require that areas harvested on public land must be regenerated, either naturally or through planting and seeding. About 94% of Canada’s forests are on public land. Learn more about sustainable forest management.

5. Boreal forests benefit the most from natural disturbances
Natural disturbances occur in all kinds of forests, but occur more often in boreal forests than in Canada’s temperate forests. In fact, boreal forests rely on disturbances to help them rejuvenate.

Wildfires in particular help boreal forests to revitalize, to shape the forest landscape and to support biodiversity over the long term. Fire stimulates new growth and some fire-adapted tree species, such as jack pine, rely on forest fires to reproduce. Read more about fires in the boreal forest.

Large insect outbreaks and diseases are also part of the natural cycle and renew forests by releasing nutrients stored in the trees and in dead plant material. And while some types of trees die, other species are allowed to grow, which helps create diversity in the forest.

6. Sustainable forest management includes managing disturbances
Although forest fires are a natural part of the forest ecosystem and important for maintaining its health and diversity, they can also threaten communities and destroy valuable timber resources. This makes fire control a vital component of forest management in Canada. Forest agencies work to limit potential damage and costs of forest fires. In fact, governments and industry spend about half a billion dollars each year protecting forests from fire. Read more about the ways Canada manages wildfires.

7. Canada monitors the environmental impact of natural disturbances
Natural disturbances can have a major effect on the environment, including the carbon balance. Canada monitors disturbances very closely to inform management planning and as part of our climate change reporting requirements. We also report publicly on fire and insects as two key criteria in our annual State of the Forest report. By monitoring disturbances like fire and pests, forest managers can better understand their effects and take steps to mitigate the changes natural disturbances create in the environment.
http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/forests/fire-insects-disturbances/forest-need/13081

Unum

2018-08-09 04:21:14 UTC

Post by Catoni
Forests NEED fires, insects and diseases.....

cartooni is just a sad little pile of hate and profanity.

Prove me wrong when I said "forests NEED fires, insects and diseases... "

What for? You made the claim, dumbass, you have to prove it.

Okay .....it you wish "Unum" ......Here you go.....enjoy :)
Government of Canada
Natural Resources Canada
Why Forests Need Fires, Insects and Diseases

Not interested in what "Natural Resources Canada" thinks about it.

So where's the proof?

gordo

2018-08-09 17:24:33 UTC

Post by Catoni
Forests NEED fires, insects and diseases.....

cartooni is just a sad little pile of hate and profanity.

Prove me wrong when I said "forests NEED fires, insects and diseases... "

What for? You made the claim, dumbass, you have to prove it.

Okay .....it you wish "Unum" ......Here you go.....enjoy :)
Government of Canada
Natural Resources Canada
Why Forests Need Fires, Insects and Diseases

Not interested in what "Natural Resources Canada" thinks about it.
So where's the proof?

Fires are generally beneficial for most forests. Some cones will not
open without the help of a fire. There are exceptions such as old
growth forest on the west coast which are very resistant to fires.
Huge intense fires as are happening in California will lead to erosion
loss of wildlife and are not a good thing. Loss of life and property
and health from smoke is not a good thing. That these types of fires
happening around the globe are not a good thing. Global warming is
not a good thing.

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Paul Aubrin

2018-08-09 17:31:56 UTC

Post by gordo
Fires are generally beneficial for most forests. Some cones will not
open without the help of a fire. There are exceptions such as old growth
forest on the west coast which are very resistant to fires. Huge intense
fires as are happening in California will lead to erosion loss of
wildlife and are not a good thing. Loss of life and property and health
from smoke is not a good thing. That these types of fires
happening around the globe are not a good thing. Global warming is
not a good thing.

0.8°C doesn't make the difference in the temperatures of fire, but the
amount of piled up wood makes a huge one.

Bret Cahill

2018-08-10 14:10:55 UTC

0.8°C doesn't make the difference in the temperatures of fire, but

but it makes a great difference in the number of severe droughts.

Post by Paul Aubrin
the
amount of piled up wood makes a huge one.

Use the dead wood to make bio char for a soil amendment -- a great jobs program when Great Depression II hits next year.

George 152

2018-08-09 20:17:21 UTC

Post by Catoni
Forests NEED fires, insects and diseases.....

cartooni is just a sad little pile of hate and profanity.

Prove me wrong when I said "forests NEED fires, insects and diseases... "

What for? You made the claim, dumbass, you have to prove it.

Okay .....it you wish "Unum" ......Here you go.....enjoy :)
Government of Canada
Natural Resources Canada
Why Forests Need Fires, Insects and Diseases

Not interested in what "Natural Resources Canada" thinks about it.
So where's the proof?

And of course those clever people who planted Assie Eucolypts because they
'looked good'
And forest fires have been happening since forever

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Catoni

2018-08-10 00:22:25 UTC

Post by Unum
Not interested in what "Natural Resources Canada" thinks about it.
So where's the proof?

The proof is there....Natural Reources Canada is a huge government department with hundreds of scientists...

You're not interested in anything that fails to support your socialist/Marxist Leninist politico-economic agenda.

I could give you proof that two plus two is four.... and if it went against your politico-economic agenda you would dismiss it out of hand.

Unum

2018-08-10 03:11:57 UTC

Post by Unum
Not interested in what "Natural Resources Canada" thinks about it.
So where's the proof?

The proof is there....Natural Reources Canada is a huge government department with hundreds of scientists...

So where's the study? Where's the data? Why does cartooni want all the trees
to die?

R Kym Horsell

2018-08-10 03:32:37 UTC

Post by Unum
Not interested in what "Natural Resources Canada" thinks about it.
So where's the proof?

The proof is there....Natural Reources Canada is a huge government department with hundreds of scientists...

So where's the study? Where's the data? Why does cartooni want all the trees
to die?

Standard science shows that countries with higher levels of innoculation
and (therefore) lower levels of disease have higher life expectancies.
I'm sure Cartoony can google up a blog which has graphs that shows
people *needs* disease and standard science is controlled by
a cabal of foreigners that are all commynist grrenie liars.

--
[Dotting the t's and crossing the i's:]
By the way, methane isn't smelly. It is the reason why Davy's lamps were
used in the 19th century mines to detect it. It is not toxic, but
explosive at concentrations of 4,4?17 % (44,000-170,000ppm). Its
concentration in the air is 1,745ppm.
[Off by 1000x is better than usual for /D\ubrin]

gordo

2018-08-10 18:31:41 UTC

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 03:32:37 +0000 (UTC), R Kym Horsell

Post by Unum
Not interested in what "Natural Resources Canada" thinks about it.
So where's the proof?

The proof is there....Natural Reources Canada is a huge government department with hundreds of scientists...

So where's the study? Where's the data? Why does cartooni want all the trees
to die?

It is basic ecology that fires and insects are necessary for boreal
forests to survive. Why are you trying to drive Catoni nuts by
deniying it?

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R Kym Horsell

2018-08-10 18:50:36 UTC

Post by gordo
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 03:32:37 +0000 (UTC), R Kym Horsell

Post by Unum
Not interested in what "Natural Resources Canada" thinks about it.
So where's the proof?

The proof is there....Natural Reources Canada is a huge government department with hundreds of scientists...

So where's the study? Where's the data? Why does cartooni want all the trees
to die?

It is basic ecology that fires and insects are necessary for boreal
forests to survive. Why are you trying to drive Catoni nuts by
deniying it?

I'm just trying to be exact.

It's certainly true that forests in general have adapted to
some parasites and some weather events but that's a long way from
"needing" parasites and those weather events.

By definition, a parasite benefits itself, not the host.

There are of course symbiotic or commensal relationships between plants and
insects where both benefit or at least neither are harmed.

Even then, "need" arguably sounds like anthropomorphizing and "just so"
explication.

It does noone any good to confuse (certain POME hillbillies would say
"conflate" :) the various relationships.
But funny when Cartoony with his loud history of rejecting greenie-ism,
Gaia, etc tries to defend the same ideas.

--
[No difference:]
My views on the Bible are the same concerns about the IPCC reports. Huge
gaps in the narratives leaving you to the only resort, faith. Not good enough.
-- Tunderbar <***@gmail.com>, 5 Dec 2013

Paul Aubrin

2018-08-10 04:54:03 UTC

Post by Unum
Not interested in what "Natural Resources Canada" thinks about it.
So where's the proof?

The proof is there....Natural Reources Canada is a huge government
department with hundreds of scientists...

So where's the study? Where's the data? Why does cartooni want all the
trees to die?

All the trees to die? Nice straw-man. Please tell us why are those
Virginian forests clear cut, reduced to pellets and the wood sent to the
UK?

Answer: to fight climate change.

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

2018-08-10 05:16:22 UTC

Post by Unum
Not interested in what "Natural Resources Canada" thinks about it.
So where's the proof?

The proof is there....Natural Reources Canada is a huge government
department with hundreds of scientists...

So where's the study? Where's the data? Why does cartooni want all the
trees to die?

All the trees to die? Nice straw-man. Please tell us why are those
Virginian forests clear cut, reduced to pellets and the wood sent to the
UK?
Answer: to fight climate change.

The straw man was put forth by catoni, claiming that most forests "need" fire.

R Kym Horsell

2018-08-10 05:37:20 UTC

Not interested in what "Natural Resources Cantada" thinks about it.
So where's the proof?

The proof is there....Natural Reources Cantada is a huge government
department with hundreds of scientists...

So where's the study? Where's the data? Why does cartooni want all the
trees to die?

All the trees to die? Nice straw-man. Please tell us why are those
Virginian forests clear cut, reduced to pellets and the wood sent to the
UK?
Answer: to fight climate change.

The straw man was put forth by catoni, claiming that most forests "need" fire.

Dat shor don sound like da Cartoony I knows.
Lannij "most" is a sign of weeknuss and he wood^h^h^h^hwood not use
day kinna werd.
It wood has to be "all" or nuttin.

--
One of the great ironies of our time is that we now have clear
scientific evidence that using clear scientific evidence does not
change pople(sic)'s minds. In fact, depressingly, studies have shown that
giving a person facts that contradict their views can actually
backfire and reinforce their existing beliefs.
-- Tim Hollo, ABC Environment, 4 Apr 2014

Paul Aubrin

2018-08-10 09:21:23 UTC

Post by Unum
Not interested in what "Natural Resources Canada" thinks about it.
So where's the proof?

The proof is there....Natural Reources Canada is a huge
government department with hundreds of scientists...

So where's the study? Where's the data? Why does cartooni want all
the trees to die?

All the trees to die? Nice straw-man. Please tell us why are those
Virginian forests clear cut, reduced to pellets and the wood sent to
the UK?
Answer: to fight climate change.

The straw man was put forth by catoni, claiming that most forests "need" fire.

Indeed, forests need fire now and then. Some seed of pine trees are only
released when the forest catches fire.

Wally W.

2018-08-10 12:11:11 UTC

Post by Unum
Not interested in what "Natural Resources Canada" thinks about it.
So where's the proof?

The proof is there....Natural Reources Canada is a huge
government department with hundreds of scientists...

So where's the study? Where's the data? Why does cartooni want all
the trees to die?

All the trees to die? Nice straw-man. Please tell us why are those
Virginian forests clear cut, reduced to pellets and the wood sent to
the UK?
Answer: to fight climate change.

The straw man was put forth by catoni, claiming that most forests "need" fire.

Indeed, forests need fire now and then. Some seed of pine trees are only
released when the forest catches fire.

The meddlesome hubris of those who would presume to "help" Nature by
ignorant blundering is counterproductive.

Buffoonery is to be expected from those who parade their scientific
illiteracy by proclaiming, "the science is settled" from one side of
their mouth while parroting the self-refuting phrase, "it's worse than
we thought," from the other.

It is annoying when buffoons have nothing to say but are compelled by
"having to say something."

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

2018-08-10 15:15:33 UTC

Post by Wally W.

Post by Unum
Not interested in what "Natural Resources Canada" thinks about it.
So where's the proof?

The proof is there....Natural Reources Canada is a huge
government department with hundreds of scientists...

So where's the study? Where's the data? Why does cartooni want all
the trees to die?

All the trees to die? Nice straw-man. Please tell us why are those
Virginian forests clear cut, reduced to pellets and the wood sent to
the UK?
Answer: to fight climate change.

The straw man was put forth by catoni, claiming that most forests "need" fire.

Indeed, forests need fire now and then. Some seed of pine trees are only
released when the forest catches fire.

The meddlesome hubris of those who would presume to "help" Nature by
ignorant blundering is counterproductive.
Buffoonery is to be expected from those who parade their scientific
illiteracy by proclaiming, "the science is settled" from one side of
their mouth while parroting the self-refuting phrase, "it's worse than
we thought," from the other.
It is annoying when buffoons have nothing to say but are compelled by
"having to say something."

How many times do you describe yourself in your posts, then project that onto others?

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

2018-08-10 15:22:55 UTC

Post by Unum
Not interested in what "Natural Resources Canada" thinks about it.
So where's the proof?

The proof is there....Natural Reources Canada is a huge
government department with hundreds of scientists...

So where's the study? Where's the data? Why does cartooni want all
the trees to die?

All the trees to die? Nice straw-man. Please tell us why are those
Virginian forests clear cut, reduced to pellets and the wood sent to
the UK?
Answer: to fight climate change.

The straw man was put forth by catoni, claiming that most forests "need" fire.

Indeed, forests need fire now and then. Some seed of pine trees are only
released when the forest catches fire.

Years ago, when animals roamed freely without barriers such as property lines and highways the fuel for fire was consumed (fuel for muscle).

Not to the pollution, highways and road ways had a much much higher pollution reading than urban background locations. Paris limiting vehicles is a smart move, for its been observed the roadways in paris created a huge amount of pollution. No need to blame those across the border, just people taking responsibility for their own mess.

Unum

2018-08-11 02:56:03 UTC

Post by Unum
Not interested in what "Natural Resources Canada" thinks about it.
So where's the proof?

The proof is there....Natural Reources Canada is a huge government
department with hundreds of scientists...

So where's the study? Where's the data? Why does cartooni want all the
trees to die?

All the trees to die? Nice straw-man. Please tell us why are those
Virginian forests clear cut, reduced to pellets and the wood sent to the
UK?

Nutjobs on the internet say it is good for forests to burn down.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/us/california-fires/index.html

It may take until September to contain the largest fire in California history,
which is bigger than the size of the city of Los Angeles.

"It is climate change that is causing this," said Michael Mohler, spokesman
for Cal Fire. "There is no other way to explain explosive fuel conditions that
come with increased winds and higher temperatures."

Catoni

2018-08-11 03:04:48 UTC

Post by Unum
Not interested in what "Natural Resources Canada" thinks about it.
So where's the proof?

The proof is there....Natural Reources Canada is a huge government
department with hundreds of scientists...

So where's the study? Where's the data? Why does cartooni want all the
trees to die?

All the trees to die? Nice straw-man. Please tell us why are those
Virginian forests clear cut, reduced to pellets and the wood sent to the
UK?

Nutjobs on the internet say it is good for forests to burn down.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/us/california-fires/index.html

LOL... CNN..... the fake news destroy Tump at all costs Clinton News Netwok

Post by Unum
It may take until September to contain the largest fire in California history,
which is bigger than the size of the city of Los Angeles.
"It is climate change that is causing this," said Michael Mohler, spokesman
for Cal Fire. "There is no other way to explain explosive fuel conditions that
come with increased winds and higher temperatures."

Unum

2018-08-11 04:56:57 UTC

Post by Unum
Nutjobs on the internet say it is good for forests to burn down.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/us/california-fires/index.html

LOL... CNN..... the fake news destroy Tump at all costs Clinton News Netwok

Drunken old moron managed to get at the keyboard before he collapsed, lol.

R Kym Horsell

2018-08-11 05:23:43 UTC

Post by Unum
Nutjobs on the internet say it is good for forests to burn down.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/us/california-fires/index.html

LOL... CNN..... the fake news destroy Tump at all costs Clinton News Netwok

Drunken old moron managed to get at the keyboard before he collapsed, lol.

But into each life a little rain must fall.
--
Saint John roads reopen as more severe weather approaches
CBC.ca, 9 Aug. 2018
Heavy showers caused flooding problems in Saint John early Thursday morning,
but all roads reopened as more bad weather approached.

Heavy rain closes streets, causes flooding in Saint John
The Weather Network, 9 Aug. 2018

Flash floods reignite debate over Toronto's sewer system
The Globe and Mail, 9 Aug. 2018
Cars drive along a flooded street in Toronto, Ontario, Canada August 7, 2018
in this still image taken from video obtained from social media.

Al Jazeera Weather @AJEWeather 10 Aug 2018 14:37Z
Torrential rain batters Hainan Island, southern China.

Al Jazeera Weather @AJEWeather 10 Aug 2018 14:37Z
Seasonal flooding affects 50,000 people in southern Niger.

Al Jazeera Weather @AJEWeather 10 Aug 2018 14:37Z
Violent winds sweep across southern Scandinavia.

Al Jazeera Weather @AJEWeather 10 Aug 2018 14:37Z
Monsoon surge in Kerala, India, kills at least 20.

Wasps Are Getting Drunk Off Fermented Fruit and Terrorizing Beer ...
Thrillist, 10 Aug 2018 15:47Z
A brutal heatwave in Europe is having an unlikely effect on wasps, and the
little insect

Tesla says 99% of the US population is now within 150 miles of a ...
Electrek, 10 Aug 2018 17:37Z
The electric vehicle charging problem is becoming less and less of an issue
every day and Tesla is arguably leading the way with the Supercharger network.

Two police officers among four people killed in Canada shooting
ABC News, 11 Aug 2018
One person is in police custody after a mass shooting in the eastern
Canadian city of Fredericton, in which at least four people died.

'It's a disgrace': angry farmers call for access to recycled water
ABC News, 11 Aug 2018
Australia wastes the majority of its recycled water that could be used on
food crops - and farmers and local councils say it is a disgrace and want it
made available for agriculture.

German police rescue man being chased by baby squirrel
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ABC News, 11 Aug 2018
Police in the German city of Karlsruhe rush to help a man being followed by
a baby squirrel after he made an emergency call, saying the little creature
would not let him go.

Dengue fever may be eradicated in Indonesia by Australian-led team
ABC News, 10 Aug 2018 23:09Z
* Mosquitos have been infected with a bacteria which renders them incapable
of transmitting dengue fever
* Researchers expect the technology will help significantly reduce dengue cases
* Once established in the population the bacteria is a permanent fix
Transmitted by the Aedes Aegypti mosquito, dengue fever is active in more
than 100 countries worldwide, infecting 400 million people every year and
killing 25,000.
But scientists from the Eliminate Dengue Fever program in Indonesia believe
the virus may have met its match.

Catoni

2018-08-11 11:08:24 UTC

Post by Unum
Nutjobs on the internet say it is good for forests to burn down.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/us/california-fires/index.html

LOL... CNN..... the fake news destroy Tump at all costs Clinton News Netwok

Drunken old moron managed to get at the keyboard before he collapsed, lol.

But into each life a little rain must fall.

OMG ! ! What happened to the Global Warming droughts... now there is TOO much rain ? ?

Make your friggin' mind up ! !

Post by R Kym Horsell
Saint John roads reopen as more severe weather approaches
CBC.ca, 9 Aug. 2018
Heavy showers caused flooding problems in Saint John early Thursday morning,
but all roads reopened as more bad weather approached.
Heavy rain closes streets, causes flooding in Saint John
The Weather Network, 9 Aug. 2018
Flash floods reignite debate over Toronto's sewer system
The Globe and Mail, 9 Aug. 2018
Cars drive along a flooded street in Toronto, Ontario, Canada August 7, 2018
in this still image taken from video obtained from social media.
Torrential rain batters Hainan Island, southern China.
Seasonal flooding affects 50,000 people in southern Niger.
Violent winds sweep across southern Scandinavia.
Monsoon surge in Kerala, India, kills at least 20.
Wasps Are Getting Drunk Off Fermented Fruit and Terrorizing Beer ...
Thrillist, 10 Aug 2018 15:47Z
A brutal heatwave in Europe is having an unlikely effect on wasps, and the
little insect
Tesla says 99% of the US population is now within 150 miles of a ...
Electrek, 10 Aug 2018 17:37Z
The electric vehicle charging problem is becoming less and less of an issue
every day and Tesla is arguably leading the way with the Supercharger network.
Two police officers among four people killed in Canada shooting
ABC News, 11 Aug 2018
One person is in police custody after a mass shooting in the eastern
Canadian city of Fredericton, in which at least four people died.
'It's a disgrace': angry farmers call for access to recycled water
ABC News, 11 Aug 2018
Australia wastes the majority of its recycled water that could be used on
food crops - and farmers and local councils say it is a disgrace and want it
made available for agriculture.
German police rescue man being chased by baby squirrel
<http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/10108846-16x9-460x259.jpg>
ABC News, 11 Aug 2018
Police in the German city of Karlsruhe rush to help a man being followed by
a baby squirrel after he made an emergency call, saying the little creature
would not let him go.
Dengue fever may be eradicated in Indonesia by Australian-led team
ABC News, 10 Aug 2018 23:09Z
* Mosquitos have been infected with a bacteria which renders them incapable
of transmitting dengue fever
* Researchers expect the technology will help significantly reduce dengue cases
* Once established in the population the bacteria is a permanent fix
Transmitted by the Aedes Aegypti mosquito, dengue fever is active in more
than 100 countries worldwide, infecting 400 million people every year and
killing 25,000.
But scientists from the Eliminate Dengue Fever program in Indonesia believe
the virus may have met its match.

Unum

2018-08-11 15:00:57 UTC

Post by Unum
Nutjobs on the internet say it is good for forests to burn down.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/us/california-fires/index.html

LOL... CNN..... the fake news destroy Tump at all costs Clinton News Netwok

Drunken old moron managed to get at the keyboard before he collapsed, lol.

But into each life a little rain must fall.

OMG ! ! What happened to the Global Warming droughts... now there is TOO much rain ? ?
LOL... CNN..... the fake news destroy Tump at all costs Clinton News Netwok

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2018-08-11 20:10:59 UTC

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columbiaaccidentinvestigation

2018-08-12 22:17:33 UTC

Post by Catoni

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Wouldn't the description sail over the benighted
ones head ?
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Funny how you all seem to think you know all possible winds, and how to account for keeping a controlled burn under control, and yet when it comes to wind generated power suddenly understanding the wind is a mythical thing.

Paul Aubrin

2018-08-08 09:13:27 UTC

Post by Bret Cahill
Finally!
A country with a lick of sense!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/heat-wave-portugal-tames-

wildfire-

Did forest management suddenly change?

Stupid question from stupid person.. Portugal like most
countries..has been having forest fires all along.. Pehaps more
these days due to a combination of stupid government management and
more arsonists..
But the fact is.. many forests need a good fast forest fire once in a
while... It's good for them..

If there is not too much accumulated dead wood and branches, the
temperature of wild fires is not too high and the forest recovers rapidly.
If wood is left to pile for years, subsequent inevitable wildfires burn
very hot and the forest never recovers.

JTEM is right

2018-08-08 07:38:58 UTC

Post by Paul Aubrin
The activist mayor of Paris banned very old diesel cars without
appropriate filters from her town, because easterlies bring fumes and
particulates from coal powered Germany and Netherlands.

Diesel is *Way* more popular in Europe than the
United States, because you can get more gallons
of diesel fuel out of a barrel of oil than
gasoline, plus it has more energy so you can go
further. The down side is that European cities
are filthy. I mean, ever been to London? There's
a century of grit everywhere from the coal use, and
the air is choked with diesel fumes!

...and, as it turns out, every last German
car manufacturer has been lying & cheating on
diesel emissions. Turns out that emissions were
actually INCREASING in recent years... as they all
shook fingers at the United States.

....one story said that they were producing
something like 40 times the claimed "smog" emissions!

Everything has a cost. Everything.

Burning coal has a cost. NOT burning coal has a
cost! Burning diesel fuel comes at a cost. NOT
burning it comes at a cost...

Look. The cost of not burning diesel fuel is
producing LESS motor fuel, consuming MORE oil,
being MORE dependent on imports. The cost of
burning diesel is more pollution.

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http://jtem.tumblr.com/post/176712846933

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

2018-08-08 17:32:18 UTC

Post by Bret Cahill
Finally!
A country with a lick of sense!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/heat-wave-portugal-tames-wildfire-

french-cities-ban-cars/ar-BBLyhhN
Wild fires in Portugal are driven by the ill management of forests. Piled
fuel in forests catch fire as soon as someone throws a cigarette butt
into them.
In France, four nuclear plants have been shut not because of wildfires in
Portugal, but because demand is minimal in August. Those 4 reactors,
among 58, were selected because local authorities put unrealistic
thresholds on cooling waters.
The activist mayor of Paris banned very old diesel cars without
appropriate filters from her town, because easterlies bring fumes and
particulates from coal powered Germany and Netherlands. With hot
anticyclonic summer conditions on northern Europe, wind turbines produce
almost no power.

Wow, reading your reply one might incorrectly think a big urban location like paris could not generate its own pollution

Paul Aubrin

2018-08-08 18:29:27 UTC

Post by Bret Cahill
Finally!
A country with a lick of sense!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/heat-wave-portugal-tames-

wildfire-

Post by Bret Cahill
french-cities-ban-cars/ar-BBLyhhN
Wild fires in Portugal are driven by the ill management of forests.
Piled fuel in forests catch fire as soon as someone throws a cigarette
butt into them.
In France, four nuclear plants have been shut not because of wildfires
in Portugal, but because demand is minimal in August. Those 4 reactors,
among 58, were selected because local authorities put unrealistic
thresholds on cooling waters.
The activist mayor of Paris banned very old diesel cars without
appropriate filters from her town, because easterlies bring fumes and
particulates from coal powered Germany and Netherlands. With hot
anticyclonic summer conditions on northern Europe, wind turbines
produce almost no power.

Wow, reading your reply one might incorrectly think a big urban location
like paris could not generate its own pollution

Air pollution in Paris is now only half what it was ten years ago.
Pollution episodes happen mostly when with (unusual) easterly winds which
bring particulates from Germany.

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

2018-08-08 21:04:11 UTC

Post by Bret Cahill
Finally!
A country with a lick of sense!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/heat-wave-portugal-tames-

wildfire-

Wow, reading your reply one might incorrectly think a big urban location
like paris could not generate its own pollution

Air pollution in Paris is now only half what it was ten years ago.

Again, one might incorrectly think a big urban location could not make its own pollution by reading your reply.

Post by Bret Cahill
Pollution episodes happen mostly when with (unusual) easterly winds which
bring particulates from Germany.

You mean to say the stuff from another place can be transported which on top of the daily pollution produced from an urban location like paris makes things much worse.

Kind of an argument for international treaties or stiffer regulations on people taking care of their stuff before it gets carried by the winds and makes things worse for somebody else.

Paul Aubrin

2018-08-09 05:10:53 UTC

Post by Paul Aubrin
Air pollution in Paris is now only half what it was ten years ago.

Again, one might incorrectly think a big urban location could not make
its own pollution by reading your reply.

The pollution of the air above Paris region halved, that a fact measure
by the airparif measurement network.

Post by Paul Aubrin
Pollution episodes happen mostly when with (unusual) easterly winds
which bring particulates from Germany.

You mean to say the stuff from another place can be transported which on
top of the daily pollution produced from an urban location like paris
makes things much worse.

It is a known fact. Threshold are generally exceeded when pollution from
Germany is brought by winds. Fortunately, generally winds blow from the
Altantic. When winds blow from the east they bring air polluted with fine
particles from industrial places in Belgium and Germany.

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

2018-08-09 05:34:36 UTC

Post by Paul Aubrin
Air pollution in Paris is now only half what it was ten years ago.

Again, one might incorrectly think a big urban location could not make
its own pollution by reading your reply.

The pollution of the air above Paris region halved, that a fact measure
by the airparif measurement network.

So would that include the most drastic changes near roadsides, if so why would you need to focus attention on the outside winds rather than near roadsides inside the city itself?

Post by Paul Aubrin
Pollution episodes happen mostly when with (unusual) easterly winds
which bring particulates from Germany.

You mean to say the stuff from another place can be transported which on
top of the daily pollution produced from an urban location like paris
makes things much worse.

It is a known fact. Threshold are generally exceeded when pollution from
Germany is brought by winds.

Its also a known fact that roadside sites had greater values than the urban background mean. Generally your bs is an omission, this one is roadside locations.

Post by Paul Aubrin
Fortunately, generally winds blow from the
Altantic. When winds blow from the east they bring air polluted with fine
particles from industrial places in Belgium and Germany.

When cars travel on roads, the combustion of fossil fuels is not complete along with being dirty. Fortunately air pollution standards include auto emissions and dont depend on your omissions.

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2018-08-08 02:32:45 UTC