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Only 10% Rate "Fighting" Mythical Manmade Climate Change As Important
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andyomp
2011-01-27 03:09:49 UTC
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Only 10% Rate "Fighting" Climate Change As Important

27 Jan 2011





To top off a hammering for the global warming zeitgeist, only ten per cent
of people surveyed in the latest Essential Research Poll put "addressing
climate change" in their top three issues when deciding how to vote in the
next Federal election.



That means 90 per cent won't.



That ten percent figure is about what the Greens got at the last election.



Important Election Issues

.Q.

Which are the three most important issues in deciding how you would vote at
a Federal election? (Number from 1 to 3 where 1 is the most important, 2 the
second most important, etc)




One
Two
Three
Total
Total 11th Oct 10
Total 25th Jan 10

Management of the economy
37%
18%
10%
65%
62%
63%

Ensuring a quality education for all children
5%
10%
11%
26%
32%
23%

Ensuring the quality of Australia's health system
13%
20%
16%
49%
48%
48%

Protecting the environment
4%
3%
6%
13%
12%
16%

A fair industrial relations system
2%
4%
4%
10%
11%
*

Political leadership
6%
5%
5%
16%
16%
23%

Addressing climate change
3%
3%
4%
10%
11%
16%

Controlling interest rates
5%
8%
8%
21%
17%
15%

Australian jobs and protection of local industries
10%
8%
12%
30%
30%
33%

Ensuring a quality water supply
1%
2%
3%
6%
6%
12%

Housing affordability
5%
5%
6%
16%
17%
14%

Ensuring a fair taxation system
4%
6%
8%
18%
16%
14%

Security and the war on terrorism
1%
2%
2%
5%
6%
9%

Treatment of asylum seekers
1%
2%
2%
5%
5%
*

Managing population growth
2%
5%
4%
11%
10%
*




*Not asked



65% of people surveyed rated management of the economy as one of their three
most important issues, followed by 49% ensuring the quality of Australia's
health system and 30% Australian jobs and protection of local industries.



Only 10% rate addressing climate change as one of their three most important
issues and 6% rate ensuring a quality water supply.



Over the past 12 months there has been an increase in the importance of
controlling interest rates (from 15% to 21%) and a decrease in the
importance of addressing climate change (from 16% to 10%).



http://www.essentialmedia.com.au/important-election-issues-5/





Warmest Regards



B0nz0



"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."

Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville



"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip
now due to mankind. The planet has a natural thermostat"

Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, Professor of Meteorology MIT,
Former IPCC Lead Author



"It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you
have, or how many of you there are, and certainly not how many papers your
side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is
wrong. Period."

Professor Richard Feynman, Nobel Laureate in Physics



"A core problem is that science has given way to ideology. The scientific
method has been dispensed with, or abused, to serve the myth of man-made
global warming."

"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips



"Computer models are built in an almost backwards fashion: The goal is to
show evidence of AGW, and the "scientists" go to work to produce such a
result. When even these models fail to show what advocates want, the data
and interpretations are "fudged" to bring about the desired result"

"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips



"Ocean acidification looks suspiciously like a back-up plan by the
environmental pressure groups in case the climate fails to warm: another try
at condemning fossil fuels!"

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/threat-ocean-acidification-greatly-exaggerated



Before attacking hypothetical problems, let us first solve the real problems
that threaten humanity. One single water pump at an equivalent cost of a
couple of solar panels can indeed spare hundreds of Sahel women the daily
journey to the spring and spare many infections and lives.

Martin De Vlieghere, philosopher



"The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that
it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of
mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible."

Bertrand Russell
andyomp
2011-01-27 03:34:56 UTC
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Post by andyomp
Only 10% Rate "Fighting" Climate Change As Important
My Constant Reliance On Lies And Propaganda Only Proves That I'm Just Another
Jobless Criminal Sociopath Who Is Gullible Enough To Believe The Lies I'm
Fed. What do you expect from a pseudo-capitalist Aussie asshole who is too
lazy to work and sits around all day unproductivly spouting shit instead?

That's why, like the other kooks here, I'm afraid to cite my sources because
I know they're not credible and I fear being laughed at.

Sociopathic Tendencies:

Characteristics of people with antisocial personality disorder may include:

Apparent lack of remorse or empathy for others

Persistent lying or stealing

Cruelty to animals

Poor behavioral controls - expressions of irritability, annoyance,
impatience, threats, aggression, and verbal abuse; inadequate control of
anger and temper * A history of childhood conduct disorder

Recurring difficulties with the law

Promiscuity

Tendency to violate the boundaries and rights of others

Aggressive, often violent behavior; prone to getting involved in fights *

Inability to tolerate boredom

Poor or abusive relationships

Irresponsible work behavior

Disregard for safety
Ken
2011-01-27 03:42:49 UTC
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Post by andyomp
Post by andyomp
Only 10% Rate "Fighting" Climate Change As Important
My Constant Reliance On Lies And Propaganda Only Proves That I'm Just
Another Jobless Criminal Sociopath Who Is Gullible Enough To Believe The
Lies I'm Fed. What do you expect from a pseudo-capitalist Aussie
asshole who is too lazy to work and sits around all day unproductivly
spouting shit instead?
That's why, like the other kooks here, I'm afraid to cite my sources
because I know they're not credible and I fear being laughed at.
Apparent lack of remorse or empathy for others
Persistent lying or stealing
Cruelty to animals
Poor behavioral controls - expressions of irritability, annoyance,
impatience, threats, aggression, and verbal abuse; inadequate control of
anger and temper * A history of childhood conduct disorder
Recurring difficulties with the law
Promiscuity
Tendency to violate the boundaries and rights of others
Aggressive, often violent behavior; prone to getting involved in fights *
Inability to tolerate boredom
Poor or abusive relationships
Irresponsible work behavior
Disregard for safety
It's a poll of Australians. Australians are an insigificant nation of
nobodies. Perhaps they should concern themselves with learning to speak
English above all, then perhaps people would care what they think, because
these days they don't matter nor does anything they think. They're just
a bunch of wannabe Americans.
andyomp
2011-01-27 03:27:49 UTC
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More Floods Coming
The global deluge that swept through Australia, Brazil and Sri Lanka
in the new y is a warning to the emerging trends in rain, drought and
extremes weather that will assail countries in the tropics and
subtropics in the y ahead as its temperature rise.
Really?

And there I was believing the "scientists" that the drought was permanent!

Now I don't know which way to turn!





The "scientific" evidence from the CSIRO and other expert bodies have
outlined the implications for Australia, in the absence of national and
global action on climate change: by 2070, up to 40 per cent more drought
months are projected in eastern Australia and up to 80 per cent more in
south-western Australia.



Australian PM KRudd

November 6 2009



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/the-pms-address-to-the-lowy-institute/story-e6frg6nf-1225795141519



======================================

Climate "Scientist": Australia May Be Facing A Permanent Drought

September 23 2003



Australia may be facing a permanent drought because of an accelerating
vortex of winds whipping around the Antarctic that threatens to disrupt
rainfall, scientists said on Tuesday. Spinning faster and tighter, the 100
mile an hour jetstream is pulling climate bands south and dragging rain from
Australia into the Southern Ocean, they say. They attribute the phenomenon
to global warming and loss of the ozone layer over Antarctica. "This is a
very serious situation that we're probably not confronting as full-on as we
should,"



Dr James Risbey, Center for Dynamical Meteorology and Oceanography, Monash
University... [...]



http://twm.co.nz/ausdrght.htm



======================================

Carr Blames Global Warming For The Drought



"This is the ninth consecutive year, speaking nationally, when rainfalls
have been lower than average and average temperatures are climbing," he
said. "Those people who are sceptical about global warming ought to think
again because this is the first very practical intimation of global warming
being upon us,"



Ex NSW Premier Bob Carr

Sep 11 2003



======================================

It's Not Drought, It's Climate Change, Say "Scientists"

Whackos!

August 30 2009



"Scientists" studying Victoria's crippling drought have, for the first time,
proved the link between rising levels of greenhouse gases and the state's
dramatic decline in rainfall.



A three-year collaboration between the Bureau of Meteorology and CSIRO has
confirmed what many "scientists" long suspected: that the 13-year drought is
not just a natural dry stretch but a shift related to climate change.



''In the minds of a lot of people, the rainfall we had in the 1950s, 1960s
and 1970s was a benchmark. A lot of our water and agriculture planning was
done during that time. But we are just not going to have that sort of good
rain again as long as the system is warming up.''



The research program, supported by the Murray-Darling Basin Authority, the
federal Department of Climate Change and the Victorian Department of
Sustainability and Environment, was set up in 2006 to solve the puzzle of
why south-east Australia had experienced such a dramatic loss of rain.



The program covers the Murray-Darling Basin, Victoria and parts of South
Australia.



Monash University's Neville Nicholls, a lead author on the IPCC who has also
published on the subtropical ridge, said he believed the program's results
were right.



''We did think that the loss of rain was simply due to the rain-bearing
storms shifting south, off the continent,'' Professor Nicholls said.



http://www.theage.com.au/national/its-not-drought-its-climate-change-say-scientists-20090829-f3cd.html



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This Is What Crackpot Steffen Was Saying About Australian Flooding In 2009



With increasing temperatures virtually certain for the coming decades and a
significant probability of continued low rainfall according to General
Circulation Model (GCM)

projections, the Murray Darling Basin will likely experience continuing low
inflows to the middle of the century and beyond.



[..]



. the causal link between warmer global temperatures, the

increased intensity of the subtropical ridge, and the decreased rainfall in
south east Australia implies a high likelihood that the trend towards dry
conditions will persist



[.]



the regional projections for Australia using a suite of models (CSIRO and
Bureau of Meteorology 2007) show, with a very high level of consistency (up
to 90%), a drop in winter rainfall for both south west Western Australia and
the Victoria/southern South Australia area.



These projections mirror what has been occurring over these areas for the
past several decades. For the Murray Darling

Basin, model projections show a 5 to 15% reduction in mean annual rainfall
(mostly in winter and spring) by 2060, along with a warming trend in the
eastern Indian Ocean Dipole; these projections are consistent with recent
observations.



Projections using only those GCMs that perform well in simulating current
means and variability suggest a clustering of results at the drier end of
the full set of model results, that is, a reduction of around 13% in
rainfall



[.]



As the evidence for a causal link between climate change

and drying increases, so do the risks for the future of the most populous
and agriculturally productive parts of Australia.





Climate Change 2009

Faster Change & More Serious Risks

Will Steffen

http://www.anu.edu.au/climatechange/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/climate-change-faster-change-and-more-serious-risks-final.pdf



======================================

"drought is the new norm across Australia's greatest food bowl, the Murray
Darling basin"

Bob Brown, Greenie Carbon Crackpot, Just Before The Flooding




======================================

Laugh Til You Cry!



Premier Peter Beattie explained, the "likely impact of climate change"
included "lower than usual rainfall" and dams would not do.



But now Brisbane's dams are full to overflowing, and Victoria's own $5.7
billion desal plant, also built by a government claiming "we cannot rely on
this kind of rainfall like we used to", has been delayed for months by rain.





http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_the_great_warming_scare_turns_into_a_greater_joke/





======================================

Can't Stop The Flannery-Confounding Rain!

October 12 2010



Back when he was in pessimism mode, warmist Tim Flannery predicted that
Brisbane could run out of water by the end of 2007.



His call wasn't remotely plausible at the time, and becomes more amusing
with each Queensland shower:



"Drenching rains have delivered southeast Queensland enough water to last
until 2018 without another drop falling from the sky. "



Of course, 2007 was a time when global warming panic - history's greatest
and most successful pseudoscientific fraud - was absolutely rampant.



Surprise, surprise!

Flannery is now a climate optmist!



http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/were_really_resilient/



http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/



======================================

Another Whacko Warmist Prediction



"Vast tracts of northern Australia will turn to desert, the nation's alpine
vegetation will disappear and thousands of plant and animal species will
become extinct this century."



Dr Raven said he was concerned the public was becoming complacent about
global warming because a "small handful" of scientists were generating
widespread publicity for their view that world temperatures are not rising.



Peter Raven, Botanist, as he arrived in Brisbane to deliver the keynote
address today to the International Congress of Entomology...

16 Aug 2004



http://www.climateark.org/shared/reader/welcome.aspx?linkID=34313





Warmest Regards



B0nz0



"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."

Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville



"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip
now due to mankind. The planet has a natural thermostat"

Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, Professor of Meteorology MIT,
Former IPCC Lead Author



"It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you
have, or how many of you there are, and certainly not how many papers your
side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is
wrong. Period."

Professor Richard Feynman, Nobel Laureate in Physics



"A core problem is that science has given way to ideology. The scientific
method has been dispensed with, or abused, to serve the myth of man-made
global warming."

"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips



"Computer models are built in an almost backwards fashion: The goal is to
show evidence of AGW, and the "scientists" go to work to produce such a
result. When even these models fail to show what advocates want, the data
and interpretations are "fudged" to bring about the desired result"

"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips



"Ocean acidification looks suspiciously like a back-up plan by the
environmental pressure groups in case the climate fails to warm: another try
at condemning fossil fuels!"

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/threat-ocean-acidification-greatly-exaggerated



Before attacking hypothetical problems, let us first solve the real problems
that threaten humanity. One single water pump at an equivalent cost of a
couple of solar panels can indeed spare hundreds of Sahel women the daily
journey to the spring and spare many infections and lives.

Martin De Vlieghere, philosopher



"The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that
it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of
mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible."

Bertrand Russell
Giga2
2011-01-27 10:28:58 UTC
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Post by andyomp
Only 10% Rate "Fighting" Climate Change As Important
Ouch! 10% that has gotta hurt. Hurt the ABC, BBC, Met Office and the whole
propaganda machine.
kfuuu
2011-03-08 05:47:44 UTC
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Dow Chemical (NYSE:DOW) Commits To Cleaning Up Emissions
Dow has decided to invest $100 mn in GHG Emissions.
Rachael Brunelli
07 March 2011
Dow Chemical (NYSE:DOW) has plans to invest $100 mn in order to reduce
energy
use and greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions from its operations.
Aha!

Taking a lead from DuPont and the ozone hole scare eh?

Birds of a feather ...




DuPont Made A Killing From CFC Regulation. Now For Global Warming Profits.

DuPont made a killing in the battle over CFC regulation.

Now it's poised to do it all over again with carbon dioxide

June 27 2009



QUOTE: DuPont had spearheaded the creation of the Alliance for Responsible
CFC Policy, a lobby group that would successfully fight off regulation of
CFCs, a chemical that many companies manufactured. Then in 1986, with
patented alternatives to CFCs in hand, DuPont had a change of heart.



QUOTE: In a move its Alliance partners considered a betrayal, DuPont
switched sides, called CFCs a danger to the planet, and lobbied the Reagan
Administration to ban CFCs.



QUOTE: "The difficulties in negotiating the Montreal Protocol had nothing
whatever to do with whether the environment was damaged or not. It was all
about who was going to gain an edge over who; whether DuPont would have an
advantage over the European companies or not."



QUOTE: "When you have $3-billion of CFCs sold worldwide and 70% of that is
about to be regulated out of existence, there is a tremendous market
potential."



QUOTE: DuPont is now keen to duplicate its "monumental achievement" with
other regulatory coups in the richest regulatory environment of all - that
of global warming.



QUOTE: Yesterday, the U.S. House of Representatives passed a global warming
bill - largely a USCAP product - that represents the largest transfer of
wealth from U.S. consumers to corporate interests in history.



QUOTE: If the bill does indeed become law, DuPont's estimates will look
awfully sustainable. As will those of the legions of other corporations
whose lobbying has made climate change the world's largest industry with the
world's largest payoffs for those skilled at gaming the system.









In the 1800s, DuPont's first century as an industrial concern, it cashed in
on the money to be made in explosives.



In its second century, the 1900s, DuPont morphed into a money machine in
chemistry and energy.



In this, its third century, DuPont sees green in a new cash cow, one it
projects will take it to unprecedented profitability - sustainable
development.



This corporate strategy, explains chairman Chad Holliday, is both principled
and fundamental: "DuPont's sustainability commitments aren't just good for
business - they are our business."



DuPont's commitment to sustainability began in 1997 when it decided to
abandon its membership in The Global Climate Coalition, a high-powered lobby
created by the oil, gas, coal, automobile and chemical companies to counter
fears of global warming.



Although the coalition had been created in 1989, soon after the first
meeting of the UN's IPCC, the coalition was losing the PR battle.



DuPont switched sides and began to lobby for government to stop global
warming.



In doing so, DuPont took a page out of its own playbook. In 1980, DuPont had
spearheaded the creation of the Alliance for Responsible CFC Policy, a lobby
group that would successfully fight off regulation of CFCs, a chemical that
many companies manufactured. Then in 1986, with patented alternatives to
CFCs in hand, DuPont had a change of heart.



In a move its Alliance partners considered a betrayal, DuPont switched
sides, called CFCs a danger to the planet, and lobbied the Reagan
Administration to ban CFCs.



So successful was DuPont that Ronald Reagan became the world's first head of
state to personally push his government to ban CFCs. DuPont's efforts
culminated in the Montreal Protocol, a treaty Reagan described as "a
monumental achievement."



Others were ambivalent about what had transpired. As put by Mostafa Tolba,
the Executive Director of the UN Environment Programme, "The difficulties in
negotiating the Montreal Protocol had nothing whatever to do with whether
the environment was damaged or not. It was all about who was going to gain
an edge over who; whether DuPont would have an advantage over the European
companies or not."



The advantage went to DuPont, which soon controlled the rich replacement
market for CFCs. Du Pont's Freon Division Director, Joseph Glass, laid out
DuPont's coup succinctly: "When you have $3-billion of CFCs sold worldwide
and 70% of that is about to be regulated out of existence, there is a
tremendous market potential."



DuPont is now keen to duplicate its "monumental achievement" with other
regulatory coups in the richest regulatory environment of all - that of
global warming.



To this end, it helped found the United States Climate Action Partnership
(USCAP), a coalition of blue-chip business and environmental groups, to
lobby the U.S. government for legislation that will suit their agenda.



From DuPont's point of view, USCAP has been another monumental achievement.



Yesterday, the U.S. House of Representatives passed a global warming bill -
largely a USCAP product - that represents the largest transfer of wealth
from U.S. consumers to corporate interests in history.



As DuPont's Holliday told the committee with evident satisfaction, "we are
pleased to see that many of the ideas we have developed are reflected in
this bill."



As well he should be. The mammoth bill's cap-and-trade system not only gives
DuPont and other major emitters a windfall in free emission allowances, but
also boosts a host of the technologies that DuPont specializes in.



As a cherry on top, DuPont will not only receive subsidies for upgrades and
other investments it would have made regardless, it could even receive
subsidies for such investments made before the bill was passed.



The bill, though endorsed by environmental groups happy with the grand
bargain being made, is not without controversy. Greenpeace opposes the bill
on numerous grounds, not least because of its corporate giveaways and
because it would spur a new generation of coal and nuclear power plants.
Other environmentalists deplore its boost to biofuels, and the effect that
carbon offsets can have on the Third World's environment. But though the
bill's environmental benefits are in doubt, there are no doubts as to its
effect on DuPont's bottom line.



After it helped found USCAP two years ago, DuPont predicted that by 2015 it
would be able to grow its annual greenhouse-gas related revenues by at least
$2-billion a year, and that its sales of renewable materials that displace
fossil fuels would double to $8-billion.



If the bill does indeed become law, DuPont's estimates will look awfully
sustainable. As will those of the legions of other corporations whose
lobbying has made climate change the world's largest industry with the world's
largest payoffs for those skilled at gaming the system.



http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/06/27/lawrence-solomon-dupont-s-new-game.aspx





Warmest Regards



B0nz0



"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."

Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville



"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip
now due to mankind. The planet has a natural thermostat"

Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, Professor of Meteorology MIT,
Former IPCC Lead Author



"It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you
have, or how many of you there are, and certainly not how many papers your
side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is
wrong. Period."

Professor Richard Feynman, Nobel Laureate in Physics



"A core problem is that science has given way to ideology. The scientific
method has been dispensed with, or abused, to serve the myth of man-made
global warming."

"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips



"Computer models are built in an almost backwards fashion: The goal is to
show evidence of AGW, and the "scientists" go to work to produce such a
result. When even these models fail to show what advocates want, the data
and interpretations are "fudged" to bring about the desired result"

"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips



"Ocean acidification looks suspiciously like a back-up plan by the
environmental pressure groups in case the climate fails to warm: another try
at condemning fossil fuels!"

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/threat-ocean-acidification-greatly-exaggerated



Before attacking hypothetical problems, let us first solve the real problems
that threaten humanity. One single water pump at an equivalent cost of a
couple of solar panels can indeed spare hundreds of Sahel women the daily
journey to the spring and spare many infections and lives.

Martin De Vlieghere, philosopher



"The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that
it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of
mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible."

Bertrand Russell

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