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Bret Cahill
2018-11-03 17:23:22 UTC
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Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop based fuel just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Chom Noamsky
2018-11-03 18:21:31 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop based fuel just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa to the tune of
$10-18 billion per year, they are subsidizing Merka too. Merka must owe
Alberta goopers over a $trillion by now, for all that massively
discounted goo gifted to them.
Unum
2018-11-03 19:06:20 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop based fuel just like
tar goopers in Alberta.
Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa to the tune of $10-18
billion per year, they are subsidizing Merka too.  Merka must owe Alberta
goopers over a $trillion by now, for all that massively discounted goo gifted
to them.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad


Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.

The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax haven for our
own companies.”

Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to improve their
“competitiveness.”

Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Chom Noamsky
2018-11-03 19:29:38 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
Post by Bret Cahill
Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop based fuel
just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa to the tune of
$10-18 billion per year, they are subsidizing Merka too.  Merka must
owe Alberta goopers over a $trillion by now, for all that massively
discounted goo gifted to them.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax haven for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in the U.S.,
but only produces less than 2% of energy.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/renewable-power-wind-solar-gets-72-of-energy-subsidies-in-the-us

90% of Ontario's renewable energy revenues come from subsidies.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/electricity-reform-in-ontario-getting-power-prices-down
Unum
2018-11-03 21:23:12 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop based fuel just
like tar goopers in Alberta.
Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa to the tune of
$10-18 billion per year, they are subsidizing Merka too.  Merka must owe
Alberta goopers over a $trillion by now, for all that massively discounted
goo gifted to them.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax haven for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in the U.S., but
only produces less than 2% of energy.
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. So Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic
subsidy without which they wouldn't even exist, yet chumpsky whines about
subsidies for renewables?
Chom Noamsky
2018-11-04 01:12:56 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop based fuel
just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa to the tune
of $10-18 billion per year, they are subsidizing Merka too.  Merka
must owe Alberta goopers over a $trillion by now, for all that
massively discounted goo gifted to them.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax haven for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in the
U.S., but only produces less than 2% of energy.
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. So Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic
subsidy without which they wouldn't even exist, yet chumpsky whines about
subsidies for renewables?
Renewables Get 25 Times The Subsidy That Fossil Fuels Do

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/13/renewables-get-25-times-the-subsidy-that-fossil-fuels-do/#49076ce319d8
Unum
2018-11-04 03:10:37 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
Post by Bret Cahill
Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop based fuel just
like tar goopers in Alberta.
Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa to the tune of
$10-18 billion per year, they are subsidizing Merka too.  Merka must owe
Alberta goopers over a $trillion by now, for all that massively
discounted goo gifted to them.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax haven for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in the U.S., but
only produces less than 2% of energy.
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. So Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic
subsidy without which they wouldn't even exist, yet chumpsky whines about
subsidies for renewables?
Renewables Get 25 Times The Subsidy That Fossil Fuels Do
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/13/renewables-get-25-times-the-subsidy-that-fossil-fuels-do/#49076ce319d8
Opinion piece from 5 years ago, hilarious! I wonder what subsidies were
like 10 or 20 years ago, got any on that?

Meanwhile Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy without which it
wouldn't even exist.

"Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out. "
Chom Noamsky
2018-11-04 17:59:02 UTC
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Post by Unum
Post by Chom Noamsky
Post by Bret Cahill
Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop based
fuel just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa to the tune
of $10-18 billion per year, they are subsidizing Merka too.  Merka
must owe Alberta goopers over a $trillion by now, for all that
massively discounted goo gifted to them.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax haven for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in the
U.S., but only produces less than 2% of energy.
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. So Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic
subsidy without which they wouldn't even exist, yet chumpsky whines about
subsidies for renewables?
Renewables Get 25 Times The Subsidy That Fossil Fuels Do
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/13/renewables-get-25-times-the-subsidy-that-fossil-fuels-do/#49076ce319d8
Opinion piece from 5 years ago, hilarious! I wonder what subsidies were
like 10 or 20 years ago, got any on that?
Meanwhile Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy without which it
wouldn't even exist.
"Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out. "
So, call your govt reps and demand that subsidies be removed for all
energy producers! I dare ya!

(oh my aching sides)
Bret Cahill
2018-11-04 18:17:07 UTC
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"Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out. "
So, call your govt reps and demand that subsidies be removed for all
energy producers!
All taxes & subsidies do not have the same effect on the economy.

A subsidy on education? smart

A subsidy for extraction? stoopid

A tax on education? stoopid

A tax on geo resources? smart

Subsidize extraction at the expense of education like oil goop Venezuela and the people starve to death.

Tax carbon fuel to the max to pay for tuition like Netherlands and people work smarter and harder.

Yer society becomes the envy of the world.

You can call either country "capitalistic" or "socialistic" but who cares?

That won't help you dodge the _policy_ issue:

The tar goop subsidy is a parazoid on productive hardworking Canadians.
Chom Noamsky
2018-11-04 19:04:48 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
All taxes & subsidies do not have the same effect on the economy.
A subsidy on education? smart
A subsidy for extraction? stoopid
A tax on education? stoopid
A tax on geo resources? smart
Subsidize extraction at the expense of education like oil goop Venezuela and the people starve to death.
Tax carbon fuel to the max to pay for tuition like Netherlands and people work smarter and harder.
Yer society becomes the envy of the world.
You can call either country "capitalistic" or "socialistic" but who cares?
The tar goop subsidy is a parazoid on productive hardworking Canadians.
Socialist Cubans and Venezuelans pay a tax rate the equivalent of 100%
of their labour value. That's why your kook-nalysis is so laughable.

Energy is the pillar of the economy, the cheaper and more abundant it
is, the better off society is.

Examine any country in the world and the folks living in the wealthiest
nations with the highest standards of living spend the *least* amount of
income on energy.

In fact, greenie policy has pushed millions and millions into energy
poverty. Any household that spend more than 10% of income on energy is
considered energy-poor.

Didya know there are a million households in the Netherlands suffering
energy poverty, because of high fuel taxes and green energy
subsidization schemes?

http://energy.sia-partners.com/20170310/1-million-dutch-households-affected-energy-poverty

In Venezuela, energy is heavily govt subsidized to combat energy
poverty, YET THEY ARE STILL ENERGY-POOR. Why is that?

The number one reason: Venezuelan energy production is very inefficient,
due to massive corruption and mismanagement of the state-owned
industries. That naturally results in a very low return on investment
for the public.

The key point that escapes green kooks is that taxing carbon at any
level does not cause a market transition away from fossil fuels, it
simply makes energy less affordable for everyone.

Every jurisdiction on the planet that imposes carbon taxes witnesses an
increase in energy poverty and an overall lower standard of living.
Unum
2018-11-04 19:41:54 UTC
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All taxes & subsidies do not have the same effect on the economy.
A subsidy on education?   smart
A subsidy for extraction?  stoopid
A tax on education?  stoopid
A tax on geo resources?  smart
Subsidize extraction at the expense of education like oil goop Venezuela and
the people starve to death.
Tax carbon fuel to the max to pay for tuition like Netherlands and people
work smarter and harder.
Yer society becomes the envy of the world.
You can call either country "capitalistic" or "socialistic" but who cares?
The tar goop subsidy is a parazoid on productive hardworking Canadians.
Didya know there are a million households in the Netherlands suffering energy
poverty, because of high fuel taxes and green energy subsidization schemes?
http://energy.sia-partners.com/20170310/1-million-dutch-households-affected-energy-poverty
chumpsky's cite says absolutely nothing about "fuel taxes and green energy
subsidization schemes", why did he lie? Actually it recommends "a kit of
energy-saving devices" and subsidies for electric bills. Meanwhile the
Netherlands has done almost nothing to cut emissions.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/09/dutch-appeals-court-upholds-landmark-climate-change-ruling

Rutte’s administration has pledged to reduce emissions by 49% by 2030, but in
nearly three decades, the country has so far only cut its emissions by 13%.
Since 2012, that figure has barely changed, despite a court ruling for the 25%
cut three years ago.
Chom Noamsky
2018-11-06 15:37:30 UTC
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On 11/4/2018 11:41 AM, Unum wrote:


"Yap yap yap."
Bret Cahill
2018-11-04 20:25:18 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
All taxes & subsidies do not have the same effect on the economy.
A subsidy on education? smart
A subsidy for extraction? stoopid
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In Venezuela, energy is heavily govt subsidized to combat energy
poverty, YET THEY ARE STILL ENERGY-POOR. Why is that?
Here, try again:

A subsidy for extraction? stoopid
Chom Noamsky
2018-11-06 15:46:17 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
All taxes & subsidies do not have the same effect on the economy.
A subsidy on education? smart
A subsidy for extraction? stoopid
. . .
Post by Chom Noamsky
In Venezuela, energy is heavily govt subsidized to combat energy
poverty, YET THEY ARE STILL ENERGY-POOR. Why is that?
A subsidy for extraction? stoopid
Hey stoopit, before socialism in Venezuela, oil companies paid big
extraction royalties and taxes to the govt.
Bret Cahill
2018-11-07 22:58:35 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
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All taxes & subsidies do not have the same effect on the economy.
A subsidy on education? smart
A subsidy for extraction? stoopid
. . .
Post by Chom Noamsky
In Venezuela, energy is heavily govt subsidized to combat energy
poverty, YET THEY ARE STILL ENERGY-POOR. Why is that?
A subsidy for extraction? stoopid
Hey stoopit, before socialism in Venezuela,
the gummint was subsidizin tar goop fuel just like Ottawa is subsidizing tar goop in Alberta.

A subsidy for extraction is always stoopid policy.

Call it capitalist, call it communis, it's the _policy_ that matters.

Adopt the smart Dutch policy of taxing carbon fuel to fund education.
Chom Noamsky
2018-11-08 01:09:17 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
Post by Chom Noamsky
Post by Bret Cahill
All taxes & subsidies do not have the same effect on the economy.
A subsidy on education? smart
A subsidy for extraction? stoopid
. . .
Post by Chom Noamsky
In Venezuela, energy is heavily govt subsidized to combat energy
poverty, YET THEY ARE STILL ENERGY-POOR. Why is that?
A subsidy for extraction? stoopid
Hey stoopit, before socialism in Venezuela,
the gummint was subsidizin tar goop fuel just like Ottawa is subsidizing tar goop in Alberta.
A subsidy for extraction is always stoopid policy.
Call it capitalist, call it communis, it's the _policy_ that matters.
Adopt the smart Dutch policy of taxing carbon fuel to fund education.
I'm gonna start a movement to tax oxygen, because climate kooks are a
waste of it.
Bret Cahill
2018-11-08 03:11:55 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
Post by Bret Cahill
All taxes & subsidies do not have the same effect on the economy.
A subsidy on education? smart
A subsidy for extraction? stoopid
. . .
Post by Chom Noamsky
In Venezuela, energy is heavily govt subsidized to combat energy
poverty, YET THEY ARE STILL ENERGY-POOR. Why is that?
A subsidy for extraction? stoopid
Hey stoopit, before socialism in Venezuela,
the gummint was subsidizin tar goop fuel just like Ottawa is subsidizing tar goop in Alberta.
A subsidy for extraction is always stoopid policy.
Call it capitalist, call it communis, it's the _policy_ that matters.
Adopt the smart Dutch policy of taxing carbon fuel to fund education.
I'm gonna start a movement to tax oxygen
Geo taxation is always the first tax as capitalist Milt. Friedman pointed out.

Indeed, a tax on ACO2 is equivalent to a tax on O2, at least a tax on combining O2 with carbon.
Unum
2018-11-04 19:33:53 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop based fuel
just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa to the tune of
$10-18 billion per year, they are subsidizing Merka too.  Merka must
owe Alberta goopers over a $trillion by now, for all that massively
discounted goo gifted to them.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax haven for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in the U.S.,
but only produces less than 2% of energy.
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. So Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic
subsidy without which they wouldn't even exist, yet chumpsky whines about
subsidies for renewables?
Renewables Get 25 Times The Subsidy That Fossil Fuels Do
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/13/renewables-get-25-times-the-subsidy-that-fossil-fuels-do/#49076ce319d8
Opinion piece from 5 years ago, hilarious! I wonder what subsidies were
like 10 or 20 years ago, got any on that?
Meanwhile Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy without which it
wouldn't even exist.
"Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out. "
So, call your govt reps and demand that subsidies be removed for all energy
producers!  I dare ya!
(oh my aching sides)
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. Why does chumpsky whine about
subsidies for clean renewables when dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy
without which it wouldn't even exist?
Chom Noamsky
2018-11-04 20:01:30 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop based
fuel just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa to the
tune of $10-18 billion per year, they are subsidizing Merka
too.  Merka must owe Alberta goopers over a $trillion by now,
for all that massively discounted goo gifted to them.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax haven for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in the
U.S., but only produces less than 2% of energy.
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. So Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic
subsidy without which they wouldn't even exist, yet chumpsky whines about
subsidies for renewables?
Renewables Get 25 Times The Subsidy That Fossil Fuels Do
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/13/renewables-get-25-times-the-subsidy-that-fossil-fuels-do/#49076ce319d8
Opinion piece from 5 years ago, hilarious! I wonder what subsidies were
like 10 or 20 years ago, got any on that?
Meanwhile Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy without which it
wouldn't even exist.
"Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out. "
So, call your govt reps and demand that subsidies be removed for all
energy producers!  I dare ya!
(oh my aching sides)
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. Why does chumpsky whine about
subsidies for clean renewables when dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy
without which it wouldn't even exist?
Solar and wind is the industry that wouldn't exist without massive
subsidies. When the subsidies are removed, investment drops to zero.
As Buffet said, "they don't make sense without the tax credits". He
sucks billions out of taxpayers every year for nothing. Subsidies in
Canada per unit of energy produced are a fraction for fossil when
compared to wind and solar. In Ontario, 90% of RE revenues are subsidy.
No matter how hard you stomp your feet, cross your arms and make the
frowny face, ain't nobody ebber gonna believe yer lie-hole.
Unum
2018-11-07 22:20:25 UTC
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Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop based fuel
just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa to the tune of
$10-18 billion per year, they are subsidizing Merka too.  Merka must
owe Alberta goopers over a $trillion by now, for all that massively
discounted goo gifted to them.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax haven
for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in the U.S.,
but only produces less than 2% of energy.
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. So Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic
subsidy without which they wouldn't even exist, yet chumpsky whines about
subsidies for renewables?
Renewables Get 25 Times The Subsidy That Fossil Fuels Do
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/13/renewables-get-25-times-the-subsidy-that-fossil-fuels-do/#49076ce319d8
Opinion piece from 5 years ago, hilarious! I wonder what subsidies were
like 10 or 20 years ago, got any on that?
Meanwhile Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy without which it
wouldn't even exist.
"Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out. "
So, call your govt reps and demand that subsidies be removed for all energy
producers!  I dare ya!
(oh my aching sides)
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. Why does chumpsky whine about
subsidies for clean renewables when dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy
without which it wouldn't even exist?
Solar and wind is the industry that wouldn't exist without massive subsidies.
Why does chumpsky whine about subsidies for clean renewables when dirty energy
gets a gigantic subsidy without which it wouldn't even exist?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2018/01/23/cheap-renewables-keep-pushing-fossil-fuels-further-away-from-profitability-despite-trumps-efforts/#6371d7136ce9

Rapid cost declines made renewable energy the United States’ cheapest
available source of new electricity, without subsidies, in 2017.

Unsubsidized onshore wind and utility-scale solar are both cheaper than new
coal in many parts of the U.S., and are cost-competitive with combined-cycle
natural gas on a levelized cost basis
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2018-11-08 01:10:53 UTC
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Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop based
fuel just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa to the
tune of $10-18 billion per year, they are subsidizing Merka
too.  Merka must owe Alberta goopers over a $trillion by now,
for all that massively discounted goo gifted to them.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s
most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents
billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax
haven for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum
Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also
continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in
the U.S., but only produces less than 2% of energy.
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. So Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic
subsidy without which they wouldn't even exist, yet chumpsky whines about
subsidies for renewables?
Renewables Get 25 Times The Subsidy That Fossil Fuels Do
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/13/renewables-get-25-times-the-subsidy-that-fossil-fuels-do/#49076ce319d8
Opinion piece from 5 years ago, hilarious! I wonder what subsidies were
like 10 or 20 years ago, got any on that?
Meanwhile Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy without which it
wouldn't even exist.
"Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out. "
So, call your govt reps and demand that subsidies be removed for all
energy producers!  I dare ya!
(oh my aching sides)
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. Why does chumpsky whine about
subsidies for clean renewables when dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy
without which it wouldn't even exist?
Solar and wind is the industry that wouldn't exist without massive subsidies.
Why does chumpsky whine about subsidies for clean renewables when dirty energy
Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

Try again.
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Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop based fuel
just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa to the tune
of $10-18 billion per year, they are subsidizing Merka too.  Merka
must owe Alberta goopers over a $trillion by now, for all that
massively discounted goo gifted to them.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s most
corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents billions of
dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked at
the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax haven
for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum
Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue
to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in the
U.S., but only produces less than 2% of energy.
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. So Canadian dirty energy gets a
gigantic
subsidy without which they wouldn't even exist, yet chumpsky whines about
subsidies for renewables?
Renewables Get 25 Times The Subsidy That Fossil Fuels Do
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/13/renewables-get-25-times-the-subsidy-that-fossil-fuels-do/#49076ce319d8
Opinion piece from 5 years ago, hilarious! I wonder what subsidies were
like 10 or 20 years ago, got any on that?
Meanwhile Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy without which it
wouldn't even exist.
"Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out. "
So, call your govt reps and demand that subsidies be removed for all
energy producers!  I dare ya!
(oh my aching sides)
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. Why does chumpsky whine about
subsidies for clean renewables when dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy
without which it wouldn't even exist?
Solar and wind is the industry that wouldn't exist without massive subsidies.
Why does chumpsky whine about subsidies for clean renewables when dirty energy
Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
Try again.
It was a simple question. Keep on running, boy!
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Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop
based fuel just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa to
the tune of $10-18 billion per year, they are subsidizing
Merka too.  Merka must owe Alberta goopers over a $trillion
by now, for all that massively discounted goo gifted to them.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the
rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s
most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents
billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who
looked at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of
tax haven for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of
Petroleum Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to
improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also
continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in
the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in
the U.S., but only produces less than 2% of energy.
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. So Canadian dirty energy
gets a gigantic
subsidy without which they wouldn't even exist, yet chumpsky whines about
subsidies for renewables?
Renewables Get 25 Times The Subsidy That Fossil Fuels Do
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/13/renewables-get-25-times-the-subsidy-that-fossil-fuels-do/#49076ce319d8
Opinion piece from 5 years ago, hilarious! I wonder what
subsidies were
like 10 or 20 years ago, got any on that?
Meanwhile Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy without which it
wouldn't even exist.
"Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out. "
So, call your govt reps and demand that subsidies be removed for
all energy producers!  I dare ya!
(oh my aching sides)
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. Why does chumpsky whine about
subsidies for clean renewables when dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy
without which it wouldn't even exist?
Solar and wind is the industry that wouldn't exist without massive subsidies.
Why does chumpsky whine about subsidies for clean renewables when dirty energy
Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
Try again.
It was a simple question. Keep on running, boy!
Also, repeating a juvenile taunt doesn't make your lies true.
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Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop based
fuel just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa to the
tune of $10-18 billion per year, they are subsidizing Merka too.
Merka must owe Alberta goopers over a $trillion by now, for all
that massively discounted goo gifted to them.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate
they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s most
corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents billions
of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked at
the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax
haven for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum
Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to
improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also
continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the
country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in the
U.S., but only produces less than 2% of energy.
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. So Canadian dirty energy gets
a gigantic
subsidy without which they wouldn't even exist, yet chumpsky whines about
subsidies for renewables?
Renewables Get 25 Times The Subsidy That Fossil Fuels Do
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/13/renewables-get-25-times-the-subsidy-that-fossil-fuels-do/#49076ce319d8
Opinion piece from 5 years ago, hilarious! I wonder what subsidies were
like 10 or 20 years ago, got any on that?
Meanwhile Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy without which it
wouldn't even exist.
"Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue
to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out. "
So, call your govt reps and demand that subsidies be removed for all
energy producers!  I dare ya!
(oh my aching sides)
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. Why does chumpsky whine about
subsidies for clean renewables when dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy
without which it wouldn't even exist?
Solar and wind is the industry that wouldn't exist without massive subsidies.
Why does chumpsky whine about subsidies for clean renewables when dirty energy
Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
Try again.
It was a simple question. Keep on running, boy!
Also, repeating a juvenile taunt doesn't make your lies true.
No amount of yapping can hide massive subsidies for dirty energy.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad

Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.

The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax haven for our
own companies.”

Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to improve their
“competitiveness.”

Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
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No amount of yapping can hide massive subsidies for dirty energy.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world's most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be "a kind of tax haven for our
own companies."
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to improve their
"competitiveness."
Justin Trudeau's Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Look, ifn you cain spare $us5.5 tr to prop up a failin industry, when can
you spare it?
--
Post by Unum
Jetting into the moments after the Big Bang
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150619141732.htm
Colliding lead ions at the Large Hadron Collider creates tiny samples
of matter at energy densities that have not occurred since
microseconds after the Big Bang.
Or not ...
<http://www.space.com/13838-nasa-gamma-ray-targets-blazars-fermi.html>
electrons near the pulsar must be accelerated to energies a thousand
trillion times greater than that of visible light. That's far beyond
what can be achieved by the Large Hadron Collider near Geneva,
Switzerland,
Energy is not the same as energy density.
-- David Canzi <***@uwaterloo.ca>
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Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop
based fuel just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa to
the tune of $10-18 billion per year, they are subsidizing
Merka too. Merka must owe Alberta goopers over a $trillion
by now, for all that massively discounted goo gifted to them.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the
rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the
world’s most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents
billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who
looked at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of
tax haven for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of
Petroleum Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to
improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also
continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers
in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies
in the U.S., but only produces less than 2% of energy.
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. So Canadian dirty
energy gets a gigantic
subsidy without which they wouldn't even exist, yet chumpsky
whines about
subsidies for renewables?
Renewables Get 25 Times The Subsidy That Fossil Fuels Do
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/13/renewables-get-25-times-the-subsidy-that-fossil-fuels-do/#49076ce319d8
Opinion piece from 5 years ago, hilarious! I wonder what subsidies were
like 10 or 20 years ago, got any on that?
Meanwhile Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy without which it
wouldn't even exist.
"Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also
continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out. "
So, call your govt reps and demand that subsidies be removed for
all energy producers!  I dare ya!
(oh my aching sides)
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. Why does chumpsky whine about
subsidies for clean renewables when dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy
without which it wouldn't even exist?
Solar and wind is the industry that wouldn't exist without massive subsidies.
Why does chumpsky whine about subsidies for clean renewables when dirty energy
Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
Try again.
It was a simple question. Keep on running, boy!
Also, repeating a juvenile taunt doesn't make your lies true.
No amount of yapping can hide massive subsidies for dirty energy.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax haven for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Even if one accepts the silly logic of that argument, that favourable
tax rates relative to other countries amounts to a subsidy, $3.3 billion
doesn't come even close to what wind and solar get.

In Ontario, 90% of renewable power revenues are subsidy:

"...90 percent of the revenue to renewable generators came
through the GA subsidy, rather than through sales of actual power."

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/electricity-reform-in-ontario-getting-power-prices-down.pdf

Depending whose analysis you refer to, renewable subsidies are anywhere
from 8.4 x that of fossil:

"We are comparing apples with oranges but normalising for energy
production, the renewables subsidies are 8.4 times larger and amount to
94% of the value of the energy produced. This latter statistic is hard
to believe, but if it is close to true, it suggests that new renewables
are contributing virtually nothing to society."

http://euanmearns.com/the-appalling-truth-about-energy-subsidies/

The truth is greenie power would collapse without subsidies, fossil
would do just fine.

http://www.gopusa.com/its-green-power-not-fossil-fuels-that-would-collapse-without-subsidies/
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Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop based
fuel just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa to the
tune of $10-18 billion per year, they are subsidizing Merka
too. Merka must owe Alberta goopers over a $trillion by now,
for all that massively discounted goo gifted to them.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate
they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s
most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents
billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked
at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax
haven for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum
Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to
improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also
continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the
country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in the
U.S., but only produces less than 2% of energy.
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. So Canadian dirty energy
gets a gigantic
subsidy without which they wouldn't even exist, yet chumpsky
whines about
subsidies for renewables?
Renewables Get 25 Times The Subsidy That Fossil Fuels Do
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/13/renewables-get-25-times-the-subsidy-that-fossil-fuels-do/#49076ce319d8
Opinion piece from 5 years ago, hilarious! I wonder what subsidies were
like 10 or 20 years ago, got any on that?
Meanwhile Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy without which it
wouldn't even exist.
"Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue
to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out. "
So, call your govt reps and demand that subsidies be removed for all
energy producers!  I dare ya!
(oh my aching sides)
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. Why does chumpsky whine about
subsidies for clean renewables when dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy
without which it wouldn't even exist?
Solar and wind is the industry that wouldn't exist without massive subsidies.
Why does chumpsky whine about subsidies for clean renewables when dirty energy
Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
Try again.
It was a simple question. Keep on running, boy!
Also, repeating a juvenile taunt doesn't make your lies true.
No amount of yapping can hide massive subsidies for dirty energy.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax haven for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Even if one accepts the silly logic of that argument, that favourable tax
rates relative to other countries amounts to a subsidy, $3.3 billion doesn't
come even close to what wind and solar get.
chumpsky admits that dirty energy in canada gets huge subsidies. Why does
he whine about subsidies for clean renewables when polluting Canadian dirty
energy gets a gigantic subsidy without which it wouldn't even exist?
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Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop
based fuel just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa
to the tune of $10-18 billion per year, they are
subsidizing Merka too. Merka must owe Alberta goopers
over a $trillion by now, for all that massively
discounted goo gifted to them.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of
the rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the
world’s most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents
billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who
looked at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind
of tax haven for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of
Petroleum Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks
to improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces
also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers
in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies
in the U.S., but only produces less than 2% of energy.
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. So Canadian dirty
energy gets a gigantic
subsidy without which they wouldn't even exist, yet
chumpsky whines about
subsidies for renewables?
Renewables Get 25 Times The Subsidy That Fossil Fuels Do
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/13/renewables-get-25-times-the-subsidy-that-fossil-fuels-do/#49076ce319d8
Opinion piece from 5 years ago, hilarious! I wonder what subsidies were
like 10 or 20 years ago, got any on that?
Meanwhile Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy
without which it
wouldn't even exist.
"Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also
continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in
the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out. "
So, call your govt reps and demand that subsidies be removed
for all energy producers!  I dare ya!
(oh my aching sides)
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. Why does chumpsky whine about
subsidies for clean renewables when dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy
without which it wouldn't even exist?
Solar and wind is the industry that wouldn't exist without massive subsidies.
Why does chumpsky whine about subsidies for clean renewables when dirty energy
Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
Try again.
It was a simple question. Keep on running, boy!
Also, repeating a juvenile taunt doesn't make your lies true.
No amount of yapping can hide massive subsidies for dirty energy.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax haven for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Even if one accepts the silly logic of that argument, that favourable
tax rates relative to other countries amounts to a subsidy, $3.3
billion doesn't come even close to what wind and solar get.
chumpsky admits that dirty energy in canada gets huge subsidies. Why does
he whine about subsidies for clean renewables when polluting Canadian dirty
energy gets a gigantic subsidy without which it wouldn't even exist?
I never claimed Canadian fossil producers didn't get subsidies.

What I said is that wind and solar -- on a per unit energy basis -- are
subsidized to a much higher degree (e.g., 90% of RE revenues in Ontario
are subsidy).

I oppose all subsidies, whether it's corporate welfare for fossil or RE.

But if governments insist on handing out subsidies, then subsidies for
fossil are a far better bargain than wind and solar subsidies.
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Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop
based fuel just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa to the
tune of $10-18 billion per year, they are subsidizing Merka
too. Merka must owe Alberta goopers over a $trillion by now,
for all that massively discounted goo gifted to them.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the
rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s
most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents
billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked
at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax
haven for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum
Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to
improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also
continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in
the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in
the U.S., but only produces less than 2% of energy.
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. So Canadian dirty energy
gets a gigantic
subsidy without which they wouldn't even exist, yet chumpsky
whines about
subsidies for renewables?
Renewables Get 25 Times The Subsidy That Fossil Fuels Do
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/13/renewables-get-25-times-the-subsidy-that-fossil-fuels-do/#49076ce319d8
Opinion piece from 5 years ago, hilarious! I wonder what subsidies
were
like 10 or 20 years ago, got any on that?
Meanwhile Canadian dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy without
which it
wouldn't even exist.
"Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also
continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the
country,
despite having pledged to phase them out. "
So, call your govt reps and demand that subsidies be removed for
all energy producers!  I dare ya!
(oh my aching sides)
Desperate attempt at diversion noted. Why does chumpsky whine about
subsidies for clean renewables when dirty energy gets a gigantic subsidy
without which it wouldn't even exist?
Solar and wind is the industry that wouldn't exist without massive
subsidies.
Why does chumpsky whine about subsidies for clean renewables when
dirty energy
Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
Try again.
It was a simple question. Keep on running, boy!
Also, repeating a juvenile taunt doesn't make your lies true.
No amount of yapping can hide massive subsidies for dirty energy.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/oct/26/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate they are
taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s most corrupt,
according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.
The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents billions of dollars
in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked at the data
says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax haven for our
own companies.”
Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers has
been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to improve their
“competitiveness.”
Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government and the provinces also continue to give
$3.3 billion in yearly subsidies to fossil fuel producers in the country,
despite having pledged to phase them out.
Even if one accepts the silly logic of that argument, that favourable tax
rates relative to other countries amounts to a subsidy, $3.3 billion
doesn't come even close to what wind and solar get.
chumpsky admits that dirty energy in canada gets huge subsidies. Why does
he whine about subsidies for clean renewables when polluting Canadian dirty
energy gets a gigantic subsidy without which it wouldn't even exist?
I never claimed Canadian fossil producers didn't get subsidies.
What I said is that wind and solar -- on a per unit energy basis -- are
subsidized to a much higher degree (e.g., 90% of RE revenues in Ontario are
subsidy).
I oppose all subsidies, whether it's corporate welfare for fossil or RE.
But if governments insist on handing out subsidies, then subsidies for fossil
are a far better bargain than wind and solar subsidies.
Right, but you are consistently full of shit. Fossil fuel emissions
result in global warming which is slowly but surely ruining the
environment. There's absolutely no justification for subsidizing
that activity, and in fact it should be severely penalized.
Bret Cahill
2018-11-10 03:09:39 UTC
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chumpsky admits that dirty energy in canada gets huge subsidies. Why does
he whine about subsidies for clean renewables when polluting Canadian dirty
energy gets a gigantic subsidy without which it wouldn't even exist?
I never claimed Canadian fossil producers didn't get subsidies.
What I said is
Wheneber a rightard gits hisself into a 'splainin situation invbolbin logic, nuance, greater thans, etc., he already lost the red meat audience.

IOW, he's lost _period_.

You need to face the reality that Canadians just cain hack it as oilco scammers and go back to honest work like milking cows.
$27 TRILLION to PAY for KYOTO
2018-11-04 02:43:22 UTC
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Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop based fuel just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa to the tune of
$10-18 billion per year, they are subsidizing Merka too. Merka must owe
Alberta goopers over a $trillion by now, for all that massively
discounted goo gifted to them.
Can. oil is what $24/bbl? While Brent and Saudi oil is $80/bbl? Yeah, I'd say it's a frigging GIFT to the refiners, who are the ones making all the money right now.
JTEM is right
2018-11-04 04:36:45 UTC
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Tar goopers in Alberta are not only subsidizing Ottawa to the tune of
$10-18 billion per year, they are subsidizing Merka too.
Back on topic: Warren Buffet was also amongst the
first to always agree with people denouncing the
sinful waste that is private aviation. This hasn't
stopped him from tooling around in private jets though.




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$27 TRILLION to PAY for KYOTO
2018-11-04 02:41:43 UTC
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Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop based fuel just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Warren Buffet said years ago that rich people like him don't pay their fair share of taxes. But all it took was a tick mark on a tax form to voluntarily contribute more, and Buffet has NEVER done that!!
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Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop based fuel just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Warren Buffet said years ago that rich people like him don't pay their fair share of taxes. But all it took was a tick mark on a tax form to voluntarily contribute more, and Buffet has NEVER done that!!
You volunteer to pay taxes by not "taxpatriating" yerself to low tax Somalia.

$907 will get you from commis Canada to low tax utopia Somalia:

https://www.cheapoair.com/fpnext/Air/Listing/s/1/su/6f0cfbc2-017e-402c-981a-2218b6ce3d35

Make sure you click on the one way button!
Chom Noamsky
2018-11-08 21:17:56 UTC
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Venezuelan socialists support low tax / subsidized goop based fuel just like tar goopers in Alberta.
Warren Buffet said years ago that rich people like him don't pay their fair share of taxes. But all it took was a tick mark on a tax form to voluntarily contribute more, and Buffet has NEVER done that!!
You volunteer to pay taxes by not "taxpatriating" yerself to low tax Somalia.
https://www.cheapoair.com/fpnext/Air/Listing/s/1/su/6f0cfbc2-017e-402c-981a-2218b6ce3d35
Make sure you click on the one way button!
Pointless to keep babbling after he nailed you to the wall.

Indeed, Merkins have the option of contributing voluntary amounts to
support govt, on top of regular taxes.

If Buffet really believes what he is preaching, he'd voluntarily pay more.

The only reason he got into wind was because of the tax credits.

Why does a wealthy guy who claims rich people don't pay enough, rely on
tax credits in order to milk a profit from the public?
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