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Never kick a man when he's down: Elon Musk
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JTEM is Remarkably Flexible
2019-03-19 20:36:10 UTC
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Oh boy, Elon Musk is down!

Tesla -- Elon Musk, really -- is famous for the amount
of fake news generated i.e. fraud.

It's fraud. Make no mistake but when you disseminate
false information with the intention of fooling consumers
into thinking you have a better product than you've
really got, and to fool investors into believing your
company is doing better than it really is, that is fraud,
and Elon Musk has taken it to an extreme!

Like fake reports on battery life and average range come
out, but there's no data! They company won't release it!

And production numbers when, again, there is no data!

I mean, when the SEC finally cracked down on Elon Musk,
when it miraculously became too much for even them
after he made false claims about the company going
private ($tock price$), THE VERY NEXT DAY Elon Musk
was back to buying some false news, trying to fool the
investors:

http://jtem.tumblr.com/post/178650801518

So, almost six months later and even the SEC is noticing
and they're on Musk's back...


To be fair, the SEC is in a very tough spot. When Tesla
goes belly up it'll be a larger blow to the economy than
even Enron was -- about $50 billion in wealth will
simply vanish -- and that could always end up being the
first of God-knows-how-many dominoes that are out there
ready to fall.

Next thing you know: Global economic crisis!

The solution seems simple enough: You lock up Elon Musk
for cocaine or something -- nothing to do with the business
-- Which will still probably kill off Tesla but it severely
reduces the possibility of the fallout landing on other
1-percenters who belong in prison.

No crisis.

....There's always dog fighting. Right? And people like dogs,
so charge Musk with that and they'll turn on him quicker than
they did the Clintons...






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http://jtem.tumblr.com/post/178650801518
Chom Noamsky
2019-03-19 20:56:19 UTC
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Post by JTEM is Remarkably Flexible
Oh boy, Elon Musk is down!
Tesla -- Elon Musk, really -- is famous for the amount
of fake news generated i.e. fraud.
It's fraud. Make no mistake but when you disseminate
false information with the intention of fooling consumers
into thinking you have a better product than you've
really got, and to fool investors into believing your
company is doing better than it really is, that is fraud,
and Elon Musk has taken it to an extreme!
Like fake reports on battery life and average range come
out, but there's no data! They company won't release it!
And production numbers when, again, there is no data!
I mean, when the SEC finally cracked down on Elon Musk,
when it miraculously became too much for even them
after he made false claims about the company going
private ($tock price$), THE VERY NEXT DAY Elon Musk
was back to buying some false news, trying to fool the
http://jtem.tumblr.com/post/178650801518
So, almost six months later and even the SEC is noticing
and they're on Musk's back...
To be fair, the SEC is in a very tough spot. When Tesla
goes belly up it'll be a larger blow to the economy than
even Enron was -- about $50 billion in wealth will
simply vanish -- and that could always end up being the
first of God-knows-how-many dominoes that are out there
ready to fall.
Next thing you know: Global economic crisis!
The solution seems simple enough: You lock up Elon Musk
for cocaine or something -- nothing to do with the business
-- Which will still probably kill off Tesla but it severely
reduces the possibility of the fallout landing on other
1-percenters who belong in prison.
No crisis.
....There's always dog fighting. Right? And people like dogs,
so charge Musk with that and they'll turn on him quicker than
they did the Clintons...
"A Modified Ponzi Scheme": 78% Of Tesla Operating Cash Flow Has Come
From Customer Deposits

An impressive, 46-page Value Investor Club write-up on Tesla was
published by user jcoviedo on Monday and promptly leaked thereafter,
which - not surprisingly - pitched a short thesis which sees the stock
price first dropping to Musk's margin call level of roughly $200/share,
after which a "massive reset" as core investors dump, sends it below $50
share.

And while Zero Hedge readers are by now familiar with many of the
bearish arguments against the company, there was one striking
observation that goes to the heart of Tesla's biggest weakness: its
liquidity, and specifically that Tesla is nothing more than a
deposit-churning Ponzi scheme, that only keeps its light on thanks to
gullible buyers who front the cost of production of the next model, and
the next, and so on.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-18/modified-ponzi-scheme-2008-78-tesla-operating-cash-flow-has-come-customer-deposits
JTEM is Remarkably Flexible
2019-03-19 21:32:23 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
"A Modified Ponzi Scheme": 78% Of Tesla Operating Cash Flow Has Come
From Customer Deposits
An impressive, 46-page Value Investor Club write-up on Tesla was
published by user jcoviedo on Monday and promptly leaked thereafter,
which - not surprisingly - pitched a short thesis which sees the stock
price first dropping to Musk's margin call level of roughly $200/share,
after which a "massive reset" as core investors dump, sends it below $50
share.
And while Zero Hedge readers are by now familiar with many of the
bearish arguments against the company, there was one striking
observation that goes to the heart of Tesla's biggest weakness: its
liquidity, and specifically that Tesla is nothing more than a
deposit-churning Ponzi scheme, that only keeps its light on thanks to
gullible buyers who front the cost of production of the next model, and
the next, and so on.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-18/modified-ponzi-scheme-2008-78-tesla-operating-cash-flow-has-come-customer-deposits
Those are the chains on the SEC's hands! If they do their job then $50
billion is erased from the economy, and the fallout could land everywhere.

Which is why I say you get him for dog fighting! He pleads guilty to...
I dunno... it's got to be a federal offense... something like, "Moving Dogs
Across State Lines For Purposes of Fighting."

Or something.

The point is that it has nothing to do with Tesla. The company will no doubt
collapse without it's poster boy but, the collapse will happen because of
the dog fighting and Musk's indiscretion in that horrible matter, nothing to
do with investment or whatnot.

There. The Ponzi scheme is gone. It died when Musk copped a dog fighting
plea and investors fled. And because it's all about dog fighting the
collateral damage is kept to a minimum.



...and if Musk refuses, they either hit him with something WORSE than
dog fighting or, if they must go after the business he kisses Club Fed
goodbye, he sees a maximum security prison, the courts pry open his
every trust fund for the law suits so Musk is left penniless, assuming he
ever gets out of prison.

Yeah, if he's going to hold the economy hostage, nail him! If he goes
with the dog fighting plea then you can be a lot more gentle.







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http://jtem.tumblr.com/post/178650801518
Chom Noamsky
2019-03-19 22:14:57 UTC
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Post by JTEM is Remarkably Flexible
Post by Chom Noamsky
"A Modified Ponzi Scheme": 78% Of Tesla Operating Cash Flow Has Come
From Customer Deposits
An impressive, 46-page Value Investor Club write-up on Tesla was
published by user jcoviedo on Monday and promptly leaked thereafter,
which - not surprisingly - pitched a short thesis which sees the stock
price first dropping to Musk's margin call level of roughly $200/share,
after which a "massive reset" as core investors dump, sends it below $50
share.
And while Zero Hedge readers are by now familiar with many of the
bearish arguments against the company, there was one striking
observation that goes to the heart of Tesla's biggest weakness: its
liquidity, and specifically that Tesla is nothing more than a
deposit-churning Ponzi scheme, that only keeps its light on thanks to
gullible buyers who front the cost of production of the next model, and
the next, and so on.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-18/modified-ponzi-scheme-2008-78-tesla-operating-cash-flow-has-come-customer-deposits
Those are the chains on the SEC's hands! If they do their job then $50
billion is erased from the economy, and the fallout could land everywhere.
Which is why I say you get him for dog fighting! He pleads guilty to...
I dunno... it's got to be a federal offense... something like, "Moving Dogs
Across State Lines For Purposes of Fighting."
Or something.
The point is that it has nothing to do with Tesla. The company will no doubt
collapse without it's poster boy but, the collapse will happen because of
the dog fighting and Musk's indiscretion in that horrible matter, nothing to
do with investment or whatnot.
There. The Ponzi scheme is gone. It died when Musk copped a dog fighting
plea and investors fled. And because it's all about dog fighting the
collateral damage is kept to a minimum.
...and if Musk refuses, they either hit him with something WORSE than
dog fighting or, if they must go after the business he kisses Club Fed
goodbye, he sees a maximum security prison, the courts pry open his
every trust fund for the law suits so Musk is left penniless, assuming he
ever gets out of prison.
Yeah, if he's going to hold the economy hostage, nail him! If he goes
with the dog fighting plea then you can be a lot more gentle.
The mistake in your logic is that the SEC can't be blamed for doing its
job, even if it triggers the collapse of Tesla. In fact the SEC could
be sued for NOT doing its job. Letting companies fail is the market
doing exactly what the market should do, and that is pick winners and
losers on merit.
columbiaaccidentinvestigation
2019-03-19 22:18:48 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
Post by JTEM is Remarkably Flexible
Post by Chom Noamsky
"A Modified Ponzi Scheme": 78% Of Tesla Operating Cash Flow Has Come
From Customer Deposits
An impressive, 46-page Value Investor Club write-up on Tesla was
published by user jcoviedo on Monday and promptly leaked thereafter,
which - not surprisingly - pitched a short thesis which sees the stock
price first dropping to Musk's margin call level of roughly $200/share,
after which a "massive reset" as core investors dump, sends it below $50
share.
And while Zero Hedge readers are by now familiar with many of the
bearish arguments against the company, there was one striking
observation that goes to the heart of Tesla's biggest weakness: its
liquidity, and specifically that Tesla is nothing more than a
deposit-churning Ponzi scheme, that only keeps its light on thanks to
gullible buyers who front the cost of production of the next model, and
the next, and so on.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-18/modified-ponzi-scheme-2008-78-tesla-operating-cash-flow-has-come-customer-deposits
Those are the chains on the SEC's hands! If they do their job then $50
billion is erased from the economy, and the fallout could land everywhere.
Which is why I say you get him for dog fighting! He pleads guilty to...
I dunno... it's got to be a federal offense... something like, "Moving Dogs
Across State Lines For Purposes of Fighting."
Or something.
The point is that it has nothing to do with Tesla. The company will no doubt
collapse without it's poster boy but, the collapse will happen because of
the dog fighting and Musk's indiscretion in that horrible matter, nothing to
do with investment or whatnot.
There. The Ponzi scheme is gone. It died when Musk copped a dog fighting
plea and investors fled. And because it's all about dog fighting the
collateral damage is kept to a minimum.
...and if Musk refuses, they either hit him with something WORSE than
dog fighting or, if they must go after the business he kisses Club Fed
goodbye, he sees a maximum security prison, the courts pry open his
every trust fund for the law suits so Musk is left penniless, assuming he
ever gets out of prison.
Yeah, if he's going to hold the economy hostage, nail him! If he goes
with the dog fighting plea then you can be a lot more gentle.
The mistake in your logic is that the SEC can't be blamed for doing its
job, even if it triggers the collapse of Tesla. In fact the SEC could
be sued for NOT doing its job. Letting companies fail is the market
doing exactly what the market should do, and that is pick winners and
losers on merit.
Rosatom and putin robbing the russian poor to subsidize a nuclear gamble seem to be missing from your so called free market opinions
JTEM is Remarkably Flexible
2019-03-19 22:35:37 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
The mistake in your logic is that the SEC can't be blamed for doing its
job, even if it triggers the collapse of Tesla. In fact the SEC could
be sued for NOT doing its job.
This isn't common sense, it's politics.

Tesla will run it's natural course a lot quicker without Elon Musk. And,
Elon Musk has been a VERY naughty boy, so he's Enemy #1. Now, the
only question is HOW the government takes him down.

I say you try to do it while making as few and as small waves as is
possible. If you can get him to cop a plea to dog fighting, or smuggling
lilacs or whatever, fine. So long as it's a federal crime. Then you cut him
some sweet deal, maybe 90 days in Club Fed, give him weekend
furloughs (make him wear a GPS ankle bracelet for a year) and so long
as he's not CEO of anything the SEC doesn't want him near, he's fine.

If you can do it the easy way then do it...

It's only if he's going to insist on holding the economy hostage where
you throw the book at him, give him a Maximum Security cell in the
same block as some terrorists & organized crime figures...

Either way Telsa falls. It's just that the softer touch is more gradual,
less fallout.





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http://jtem.tumblr.com/post/183572517243
Chom Noamsky
2019-03-20 00:48:22 UTC
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Post by JTEM is Remarkably Flexible
Post by Chom Noamsky
The mistake in your logic is that the SEC can't be blamed for doing its
job, even if it triggers the collapse of Tesla. In fact the SEC could
be sued for NOT doing its job.
This isn't common sense, it's politics.
Tesla will run it's natural course a lot quicker without Elon Musk. And,
Elon Musk has been a VERY naughty boy, so he's Enemy #1. Now, the
only question is HOW the government takes him down.
I say you try to do it while making as few and as small waves as is
possible. If you can get him to cop a plea to dog fighting, or smuggling
lilacs or whatever, fine. So long as it's a federal crime. Then you cut him
some sweet deal, maybe 90 days in Club Fed, give him weekend
furloughs (make him wear a GPS ankle bracelet for a year) and so long
as he's not CEO of anything the SEC doesn't want him near, he's fine.
If you can do it the easy way then do it...
It's only if he's going to insist on holding the economy hostage where
you throw the book at him, give him a Maximum Security cell in the
same block as some terrorists & organized crime figures...
Either way Telsa falls. It's just that the softer touch is more gradual,
less fallout.
What the SEC wants is for Musk to stop manipulating the stock with
half-baked self-serving tweets.

If he's found in contempt for breaching the last agreement with the SEC,
I bet he gonna get popped off the board.
JTEM is Remarkably Flexible
2019-03-20 02:35:17 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
What the SEC wants is for Musk to stop manipulating the stock with
half-baked self-serving tweets.
LITERALLY the next day, after making his agreement with the FEC, he
was doing it again, as I demonstrated here:

http://jtem.tumblr.com/post/178650801518

Elon Musk not only committed many, many, many, many, many, many
acts of fraud, trying to make people believe things that weren't
true about Tesla, but he wouldn't stop even after being caught!

Elon Musk clearly -- rather unambiguously -- believes himself to be
above the law, and is not going to obey the wishes of the SEC.

...Elon Musk has NOT obeyed the wishes of the SEC, even after
promising in writing to do so as part of a legal deal.
Post by Chom Noamsky
If he's found in contempt for breaching the last agreement with the SEC,
I bet he gonna get popped off the board.
Oh he's in contempt. Always has been, always will be. The fact that he's
still on the board means there's a lot of political pressure to not enforce
even the compromise they felt forced into entering.






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columbiaaccidentinvestigation
2019-03-19 22:17:26 UTC
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Post by JTEM is Remarkably Flexible
Post by Chom Noamsky
"A Modified Ponzi Scheme": 78% Of Tesla Operating Cash Flow Has Come
From Customer Deposits
An impressive, 46-page Value Investor Club write-up on Tesla was
published by user jcoviedo on Monday and promptly leaked thereafter,
which - not surprisingly - pitched a short thesis which sees the stock
price first dropping to Musk's margin call level of roughly $200/share,
after which a "massive reset" as core investors dump, sends it below $50
share.
And while Zero Hedge readers are by now familiar with many of the
bearish arguments against the company, there was one striking
observation that goes to the heart of Tesla's biggest weakness: its
liquidity, and specifically that Tesla is nothing more than a
deposit-churning Ponzi scheme, that only keeps its light on thanks to
gullible buyers who front the cost of production of the next model, and
the next, and so on.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-18/modified-ponzi-scheme-2008-78-tesla-operating-cash-flow-has-come-customer-deposits
Those are the chains on the SEC's hands! If they do their job then $50
billion is erased from the economy, and the fallout could land everywhere.
Which is why I say you get him for dog fighting! He pleads guilty to...
I dunno... it's got to be a federal offense... something like, "Moving Dogs
Across State Lines For Purposes of Fighting."
Or something.
The point is that it has nothing to do with Tesla. The company will no doubt
collapse without it's poster boy but, the collapse will happen because of
the dog fighting and Musk's indiscretion in that horrible matter, nothing to
do with investment or whatnot.
There. The Ponzi scheme is gone. It died when Musk copped a dog fighting
plea and investors fled. And because it's all about dog fighting the
collateral damage is kept to a minimum.
...and if Musk refuses, they either hit him with something WORSE than
dog fighting or, if they must go after the business he kisses Club Fed
goodbye, he sees a maximum security prison, the courts pry open his
every trust fund for the law suits so Musk is left penniless, assuming he
ever gets out of prison.
Yeah, if he's going to hold the economy hostage, nail him! If he goes
with the dog fighting plea then you can be a lot more gentle.
-- --
http://jtem.tumblr.com/post/178650801518
wow, take out the person who is behind replacing the russians for getting people up to the space station, seems like you have a motivation to be biased in your investigation
columbiaaccidentinvestigation
2019-03-20 01:19:43 UTC
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Post by JTEM is Remarkably Flexible
Oh boy, Elon Musk is down!
Tesla -- Elon Musk, really -- is famous for the amount
of fake news generated i.e. fraud.
It's fraud. Make no mistake but when you disseminate
false information with the intention of fooling consumers
into thinking you have a better product than you've
really got, and to fool investors into believing your
company is doing better than it really is, that is fraud,
and Elon Musk has taken it to an extreme!
Like fake reports on battery life and average range come
out, but there's no data! They company won't release it!
And production numbers when, again, there is no data!
I mean, when the SEC finally cracked down on Elon Musk,
when it miraculously became too much for even them
after he made false claims about the company going
private ($tock price$), THE VERY NEXT DAY Elon Musk
was back to buying some false news, trying to fool the
http://jtem.tumblr.com/post/178650801518
So, almost six months later and even the SEC is noticing
and they're on Musk's back...
To be fair, the SEC is in a very tough spot. When Tesla
goes belly up it'll be a larger blow to the economy than
even Enron was -- about $50 billion in wealth will
simply vanish -- and that could always end up being the
first of God-knows-how-many dominoes that are out there
ready to fall.
Next thing you know: Global economic crisis!
The solution seems simple enough: You lock up Elon Musk
for cocaine or something -- nothing to do with the business
-- Which will still probably kill off Tesla but it severely
reduces the possibility of the fallout landing on other
1-percenters who belong in prison.
No crisis.
....There's always dog fighting. Right? And people like dogs,
so charge Musk with that and they'll turn on him quicker than
they did the Clintons...
-- --
http://jtem.tumblr.com/post/178650801518
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