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"Dimming the sun: The answer to global warming?"
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Byker
2018-12-03 04:38:18 UTC
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/23/health/sun-dimming-aerosols-global-warming-intl-scli/index.html
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Scientists are proposing an ingenious but as-yet-unproven way to tackle
climate change: spraying sun-dimming chemicals into the Earth's
atmosphere.
The research by scientists at Harvard and Yale universities, published in
the journal Environmental Research Letters, proposes using a technique
known as stratospheric aerosol injection, which they say could cut the
rate of global warming in half.
The technique would involve spraying large amounts of sulfate particles
into the Earth's lower stratosphere at altitudes as high as 12 miles. The
scientists propose delivering the sulfates with specially designed
high-altitude aircraft, balloons or large naval-style guns.
[...]
So now we are going to pollute the atmosphere to combat climate change?
Seems I remember a certain Sci-Fi flick about such a thing:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_engineering
JTEM is right
2018-12-03 06:55:46 UTC
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/23/health/sun-dimming-aerosols-global-warming-intl-scli/index.html
[...]
Scientists are proposing an ingenious but as-yet-unproven way to tackle
climate change: spraying sun-dimming chemicals into the Earth's
atmosphere.
The research by scientists at Harvard and Yale universities, published in
the journal Environmental Research Letters, proposes using a technique
known as stratospheric aerosol injection, which they say could cut the
rate of global warming in half.
The technique would involve spraying large amounts of sulfate particles
into the Earth's lower stratosphere at altitudes as high as 12 miles. The
scientists propose delivering the sulfates with specially designed
high-altitude aircraft, balloons or large naval-style guns.
[...]
So now we are going to pollute the atmosphere to combat climate change?
Most of these suggestions are on a lark; they're punking
the authorities behind the fraud. Nobody in their right
mind sees "Warming" as a problem. The planet is actually
cool right now, compared to peaks seen earlier during this
interglacial, while this interglacial as a whole is cooler
than the last one and the entire Quaternary Period as a
whole is a period of COOLING.

Solution?

Well, Abraham Lincoln famously suggested that the best way
to get rid of a bad law was to enforce it, and in that
sense the best way to get rid of the manufactured climate
hysterics is to take it all literally, and address the
"Problem" it's whining about.

"Hey, the planet is too hot? Here, I'll cool it for you!"

Funny how they ALWAYS shoot down suggestions that actually
cool the planet, while ALWAYS promoting "Solutions" that
do not nor can not achieve any results what so ever!



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Bret Cahill
2018-12-03 16:02:23 UTC
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Post by JTEM is right
Scientists are proposing an ingenious but as-yet-unproven way to tackle
climate change: spraying sun-dimming chemicals into the Earth's
atmosphere.
The research by scientists at Harvard and Yale universities, published in
the journal Environmental Research Letters, proposes using a technique
known as stratospheric aerosol injection, which they say could cut the
rate of global warming in half.
The technique would involve spraying large amounts of sulfate particles
into the Earth's lower stratosphere at altitudes as high as 12 miles. The
scientists propose delivering the sulfates with specially designed
high-altitude aircraft, balloons or large naval-style guns.
[...]
So now we are going to pollute the atmosphere to combat climate change?
Most of these suggestions are on a lark; they're punking
the authorities behind the fraud.
The reason so many looneytarian deniers fear geo engineering so much is that the subsequent drop in extreme weather after a few years of SO2 spraying would prove to all but the most ignorant that the climate science is correct and that further measures to reduce CO2 are justified.
JTEM is right
2018-12-03 18:22:45 UTC
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The reason so
Again, the authorities, the ruling elite behind the
farce know what the facts are. The very last thing
they could ever agree to is cooling the planet during
an ice age! The people behind this cooling plans
usually playing a game of chicken...

"Oh yeah? Warming is a problem? Well, why don't I
cool it for you!"

They're calling the bluff.






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Bret Cahill
2018-12-04 13:10:38 UTC
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The reason so many looneytarian deniers fear geo engineering so much is that the subsequent drop in extreme weather after a few years of SO2 spraying would prove to all but the most ignorant that the climate science is correct and that further measures to reduce CO2 are justified.
Post by JTEM is right
Again, the authorities, the ruling elite behind the
farce know what the facts are. The very last thing
they could ever agree to is cooling the planet during
an ice age!
Call 'em on it. Support spraying SO2 fer 4 years to show play station modelin ain't no good!

Just don't mention my name.
DESMODUS
2018-12-03 16:11:24 UTC
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This happens naturally every time there is a major volcanic erution like Santorini or Toba- the next one could cause a glacial inception (like Toba did ) which could have a far greater impact than a few C warming as most of the N Hemisphere woudl become unihabitable in less than 100 years DESMODUS
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/23/health/sun-dimming-aerosols-global-warming-intl-scli/index.html
[...]
Scientists are proposing an ingenious but as-yet-unproven way to tackle
climate change: spraying sun-dimming chemicals into the Earth's
atmosphere.
The research by scientists at Harvard and Yale universities, published in
the journal Environmental Research Letters, proposes using a technique
known as stratospheric aerosol injection, which they say could cut the
rate of global warming in half.
The technique would involve spraying large amounts of sulfate particles
into the Earth's lower stratosphere at altitudes as high as 12 miles. The
scientists propose delivering the sulfates with specially designed
high-altitude aircraft, balloons or large naval-style guns.
[...]
So now we are going to pollute the atmosphere to combat climate change?
http://youtu.be/bFpfJNiUDpY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_engineering
JTEM is right
2018-12-03 18:33:10 UTC
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This happens naturally every time there is a major volcanic erution like Santorini or Toba- the next one could cause a glacial inception (like Toba did ) which could have a far greater impact than a few C warming as most of the N Hemisphere woudl become unihabitable in less than 100 years DESMODUS
The entire planet would be in winter almost instantly.
The northern hemisphere would be locked in winter for
years or even a decade... maybe decades.

There was a very large (but smaller than Toba) eruption
in Europe around 40k years ago or so. It's impact on
the climate ended pollination for most plants/trees for
about a year. Imagine today, the U.S. all by itself
exporting more food than the rest of the planet combined,
and agriculture in the northern hemisphere ceasing to
exist for a year?http://jtem.tumblr.com/post/180747332953

Wait. The climate impact would last much, Much, *Much*
longer. Krakatoa was significantly smaller and it took
the planet roughly four years to fully recover, though
the temperature drop wasn't as big.

"Cooling" is the only climate threat that the planet
knows. There are many ways to cool the planet, it's
actually quite easy to do, but in all the history
since life has arisen the planet has never over heated.





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Byker
2018-12-03 19:54:23 UTC
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There was a very large (but smaller than Toba) eruption in Europe around
40k years ago or so. It's impact on the climate ended pollination for most
plants/trees for about a year.
Campi Flegrei?

JTEM is right
2018-12-04 05:44:14 UTC
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There was a very large (but smaller than Toba) eruption in Europe around
40k years ago or so. It's impact on the climate ended pollination for most
plants/trees for about a year.
Campi Flegrei? http://youtu.be/t1idxbKXDBA
Yes. But, there was two actually:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101006094057.htm

This would have all but wiped out Neanderthals everywhere
except for the coast, and the Mediterranean in particular.
But, their numbers would have been so greatly reduced that
it would have been nothing to swamp even them with the new
arrivals - Cro Magnom.

Actually, "Cro Magnom" was a hybrid. They clearly interbred
with the Neanderthals, which was enough to end the
Neanderthals! They were bred out of existence...






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Byker
2018-12-04 20:36:56 UTC
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Actually, "Cro Magnom" was a hybrid. They clearly interbred with the
Neanderthals, which was enough to end the Neanderthals! They were bred
out of existence...
Sub-Saharan Africans have no Neanderthal DNA, which modern blacks boast
about so much. That’s all very cute, except for the fact that the places
where people are "100 percent human" tend to fall far behind the cavemen's
ancestral homelands when it comes to trifles such as civilization,
agriculture, longevity, technology, written languages, and living standards.
And what do the 100-percenters have to show for all those eons of being
Neanderthal-free? The termite stick, although it's possible that the bonobo
chimps beat them to that too...
JTEM is right
2018-12-04 21:07:15 UTC
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Sub-Saharan Africans have no Neanderthal DNA, which modern blacks boast
about so much. That’s all very cute, except for the fact that the places
where people are "100 percent human" tend to fall far behind the cavemen's
ancestral homelands when it comes to trifles such as civilization,
agriculture, longevity, technology, written languages, and living standards.
Neanderthals WERE humans.

Homo = Human

Every member of the genus Homo is a human. The
debate is weather or not Neanderthals were even
a different species. Up to now the debate has
been pretty one sided, insisting that they were
a separate species. But this was always dogma
and not science. When it comes to closely
related populations there's no definitive test
or measure to determine "Different Species."
There are tests though, and the best, the least
subjective amongst them is interbreeding.

...and we all know that they could interbreed!

Neanderthals were humans. Denisovans were humans.
Post by Byker
And what do the 100-percenters have to show for all those eons of being
Neanderthal-free?
Everyone is 100% human, and amongst those with zero
or the least Neanderthal DNA is as much as 10% from
another archaic type.






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Byker
2018-12-04 22:10:34 UTC
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Neanderthals WERE humans.
Homo = Human
But could this old boy go unnoticed in, say, a subway?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_habilis
JTEM is right
2018-12-05 20:51:32 UTC
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But could this old boy go unnoticed in, say, a subway?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_habilis
What I wonder about are these archaic types in Africa
that haven't seemed to have left any fossils behind. Or,
at least none that we'd found.

There is a 13,000 year old archaic type skull from north
west Africa. This is also where you find the absolute
oldest y chromosomes in humans -- freakishly old, older
than is claimed for "Anatomically Modern Humans" -- which
gives rise to the possibility that, in modern humans, it's
not old at all: It's a recent addition! In other words,
the Bantu people encountered the archaic types (or hybrids
of archaics & so called moderns) and absorbed them, taking
of the A00 y chromosome...

WARNING: "Old" here is determined by way of molecular
dating, which is notoriously inaccurate. It tends to
exaggerate age.





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Byker
2018-12-05 23:37:31 UTC
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But could this old boy go unnoticed in, say, a subway?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_habilis
What I wonder about are these archaic types in Africa that haven't seemed
to have left any fossils behind. Or, at least none that we'd found.
Yet. They're still digging.
There is a 13,000 year old archaic type skull from north west Africa. This
is also where you find the absolute oldest y chromosomes in humans --
freakishly old, older than is claimed for "Anatomically Modern Humans" --
which gives rise to the possibility that, in modern humans, it's not old
at all: It's a recent addition! In other words, the Bantu people
encountered the archaic types (or hybrids of archaics & so called moderns)
and absorbed them, taking of the A00 y chromosome...
A lot of Neanderthal reconstructions look surprisingly "anatomically modern"

Give this one a baseball cap and a T-shirt and you'd hardly know the
difference: https://tinyurl.com/y74q53nn

That's Barbra Streisand on the right: https://tinyurl.com/y9f5hgaj

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/3210321152/h4FCEA7A3/

This one reminds me of certain blind date way back when:
https://tinyurl.com/y8aksk4y
JTEM is right
2018-12-06 09:00:59 UTC
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A lot of Neanderthal reconstructions look surprisingly "anatomically modern"
Well if you look at Cro Magnom they were becoming
more & more modern looking... in Neanderthal ways.
In other words, what was transforming them into
something recognizable as modern was the
interbreeding with Neanderthals. Wolpoff was pointing
this out a gazillion years ago, and often denounced
for it, right up until they found the Neanderthal DNA
in modern people, confirming his Multi Regionalism
hypothesis.

Multi regionalism was denounced as "Racist" in the
west, total pseudo science, but it was taken quite
seriously elsewhere, taught in Asia...

I see many parallels with the "Global Warming" nuts
as they regurgitate so many negative things about
the people who don't go along with them that they
now see it as real. The negative impression is so
deep that they can't allow themselves to change
their minds about "warming" during an ice age, not
without seeing themselves as becoming those horrible
things.







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Wally W.
2018-12-06 12:09:32 UTC
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Post by Byker
A lot of Neanderthal reconstructions look surprisingly "anatomically modern"
Well if you look at Cro Magnom they were becoming
more & more modern looking... in Neanderthal ways.
In other words, what was transforming them into
something recognizable as modern was the
interbreeding with Neanderthals. Wolpoff was pointing
this out a gazillion years ago, and often denounced
for it, right up until they found the Neanderthal DNA
in modern people, confirming his Multi Regionalism
hypothesis.
Multi regionalism was denounced as "Racist" in the
west, total pseudo science, but it was taken quite
seriously elsewhere, taught in Asia...
I see many parallels with the "Global Warming" nuts
as they regurgitate so many negative things about
the people who don't go along with them that they
now see it as real. The negative impression is so
deep that they can't allow themselves to change
their minds about "warming" during an ice age, not
without seeing themselves as becoming those horrible
things.
Carl Sagan:

"If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence
of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth.
The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge,
even to ourselves, that we've been taken."

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