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BMW lays out its latest electric vehicle plan
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Unum
2018-11-08 16:31:00 UTC
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“With the launch of the BMW i3, the BMW Group established itself early as a
pioneer in the field of electric mobility. Electrification is one of the key
pillars of the Group’s Strategy NUMBER ONE > NEXT. By 2021, the BMW Group will
have five all-electric models: the BMW i3, the MINI Electric, the BMW iX3, the
BMW i4 and the BMW iNEXT. By 2025, that number is set to grow to at least
twelve models. Including plug-in hybrids – whose electrically powered range
will increase significantly in the coming year – the BMW Group’s electrified
product portfolio will then comprise at least 25 models.”
Chom Noamsky
2018-11-08 16:38:25 UTC
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“With the launch of the BMW i3, the BMW Group established itself early as a
pioneer in the field of electric mobility. Electrification is one of the key
pillars of the Group’s Strategy NUMBER ONE > NEXT. By 2021, the BMW Group will
have five all-electric models: the BMW i3, the MINI Electric, the BMW iX3, the
BMW i4 and the BMW iNEXT. By 2025, that number is set to grow to at least
twelve models. Including plug-in hybrids – whose electrically powered range
will increase significantly in the coming year – the BMW Group’s electrified
product portfolio will then comprise at least 25 models.”
Q: Is BMW's dive into EVs driven by actual market demand, or the fact
that Germany (and the EU in general) has mandated all new cars be electric?

A: ahahahahaah
Unum
2018-11-08 21:33:59 UTC
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“With the launch of the BMW i3, the BMW Group established itself early as a
pioneer in the field of electric mobility. Electrification is one of the key
pillars of the Group’s Strategy NUMBER ONE > NEXT. By 2021, the BMW Group will
have five all-electric models: the BMW i3, the MINI Electric, the BMW iX3, the
BMW i4 and the BMW iNEXT. By 2025, that number is set to grow to at least
twelve models. Including plug-in hybrids – whose electrically powered range
will increase significantly in the coming year – the BMW Group’s electrified
product portfolio will then comprise at least 25 models.”
Q: Is BMW's dive into EVs driven by actual market demand, or the fact that
Germany (and the EU in general) has mandated all new cars be electric?
A: ahahahahaah
Maybe its because Tesla is kicking BMW's ass.

Every major automaker plans to go electric
https://mashable.com/2017/10/03/electric-car-development-plans-ford-gm/
Chom Noamsky
2018-11-08 22:01:28 UTC
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“With the launch of the BMW i3, the BMW Group established itself early as a
pioneer in the field of electric mobility. Electrification is one of the key
pillars of the Group’s Strategy NUMBER ONE > NEXT. By 2021, the BMW Group will
have five all-electric models: the BMW i3, the MINI Electric, the BMW iX3, the
BMW i4 and the BMW iNEXT. By 2025, that number is set to grow to at least
twelve models. Including plug-in hybrids – whose electrically powered range
will increase significantly in the coming year – the BMW Group’s electrified
product portfolio will then comprise at least 25 models.”
Q: Is BMW's dive into EVs driven by actual market demand, or the fact
that Germany (and the EU in general) has mandated all new cars be electric?
A: ahahahahaah
Maybe its because Tesla is kicking BMW's ass.
Every major automaker plans to go electric
https://mashable.com/2017/10/03/electric-car-development-plans-ford-gm/
For a company that depends on the taxpayer teat for survival, the only
ass it has ever kicked is the public purse.

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Tesla's Main Product Isn't Cars, It's Subsidies

Tesla received $713 million in U.S. subsidies in Q3, compared to its
$312 million profit.

https://realmoney.thestreet.com/investing/stocks/tesla-s-main-product-isn-t-cars-it-s-subsidies-14769263
Unum
2018-11-09 00:37:20 UTC
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“With the launch of the BMW i3, the BMW Group established itself early as a
pioneer in the field of electric mobility. Electrification is one of the key
pillars of the Group’s Strategy NUMBER ONE > NEXT. By 2021, the BMW Group will
have five all-electric models: the BMW i3, the MINI Electric, the BMW iX3, the
BMW i4 and the BMW iNEXT. By 2025, that number is set to grow to at least
twelve models. Including plug-in hybrids – whose electrically powered range
will increase significantly in the coming year – the BMW Group’s electrified
product portfolio will then comprise at least 25 models.”
Q: Is BMW's dive into EVs driven by actual market demand, or the fact that
Germany (and the EU in general) has mandated all new cars be electric?
A: ahahahahaah
Maybe its because Tesla is kicking BMW's ass.
Every major automaker plans to go electric
https://mashable.com/2017/10/03/electric-car-development-plans-ford-gm/
For a company that depends on the taxpayer teat for survival, the only ass it
has ever kicked is the public purse.
All EV's get the same subsidy regime in the US, BWM would receive it too.

It makes up for the enormous subsidy ICE vehicles receive; you don't have to
pay anything to dump your tailpipe pollution into the atmosphere. Everyone
who breathes air and lives on earth pays for it instead.
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2018-11-09 02:19:43 UTC
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https://electrek.co/2018/11/07/bmw-electric-vehicle-plan/
“With the launch of the BMW i3, the BMW Group established itself early as a
pioneer in the field of electric mobility. Electrification is one of the key
pillars of the Group’s Strategy NUMBER ONE > NEXT. By 2021, the BMW Group will
have five all-electric models: the BMW i3, the MINI Electric, the BMW iX3, the
BMW i4 and the BMW iNEXT. By 2025, that number is set to grow to at least
twelve models. Including plug-in hybrids – whose electrically powered range
will increase significantly in the coming year – the BMW Group’s electrified
product portfolio will then comprise at least 25 models.”
Q: Is BMW's dive into EVs driven by actual market demand, or the
fact that Germany (and the EU in general) has mandated all new cars
be electric?
A: ahahahahaah
Maybe its because Tesla is kicking BMW's ass.
Every major automaker plans to go electric
https://mashable.com/2017/10/03/electric-car-development-plans-ford-gm/
For a company that depends on the taxpayer teat for survival, the only
ass it has ever kicked is the public purse.
All EV's get the same subsidy regime in the US, BWM would receive it too.
Other companies make EVs as a sideline but their profits come from
conventional autos. Only Tesla depends on EV subsidies for survival.
In fact, there is no known profitable EV model in the U.S., they are all
money losers.
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It makes up for the enormous subsidy ICE vehicles receive; you don't have to
pay anything to dump your tailpipe pollution into the atmosphere. Everyone
who breathes air and lives on earth pays for it instead.
Fossil companies should get PAID for dumping plant fertilizer into the
atmosphere.

***

As carbon dioxide levels have risen, the planet’s green vegetation has
increased by 14 per cent

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/the-world-is-getting-greener-why-does-no-one-want-to-know/
Unum
2018-11-09 05:32:13 UTC
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“With the launch of the BMW i3, the BMW Group established itself early as a
pioneer in the field of electric mobility. Electrification is one of the key
pillars of the Group’s Strategy NUMBER ONE > NEXT. By 2021, the BMW Group will
have five all-electric models: the BMW i3, the MINI Electric, the BMW iX3, the
BMW i4 and the BMW iNEXT. By 2025, that number is set to grow to at least
twelve models. Including plug-in hybrids – whose electrically powered range
will increase significantly in the coming year – the BMW Group’s electrified
product portfolio will then comprise at least 25 models.”
Q: Is BMW's dive into EVs driven by actual market demand, or the fact
that Germany (and the EU in general) has mandated all new cars be electric?
A: ahahahahaah
Maybe its because Tesla is kicking BMW's ass.
Every major automaker plans to go electric
https://mashable.com/2017/10/03/electric-car-development-plans-ford-gm/
For a company that depends on the taxpayer teat for survival, the only ass
it has ever kicked is the public purse.
All EV's get the same subsidy regime in the US, BWM would receive it too.
Other companies make EVs as a sideline but their profits come from
conventional autos.  Only Tesla depends on EV subsidies for survival. In fact,
there is no known profitable EV model in the U.S., they are all money losers.
Actually Tesla did make a profit, and is kicking BMW's ass. That's why
"By 2021, the BMW Group will have five all-electric models".
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It makes up for the enormous subsidy ICE vehicles receive; you don't have to
pay anything to dump your tailpipe pollution into the atmosphere. Everyone
who breathes air and lives on earth pays for it instead.
Fossil companies should get PAID for dumping plant fertilizer into the
atmosphere.
Since when are ICE tailpipe emissions equivalent to plant fertilizer, lieboy?
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2018-11-09 06:45:15 UTC
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https://electrek.co/2018/11/07/bmw-electric-vehicle-plan/
“With the launch of the BMW i3, the BMW Group established itself early as a
pioneer in the field of electric mobility. Electrification is one of the key
pillars of the Group’s Strategy NUMBER ONE > NEXT. By 2021, the
BMW Group will
have five all-electric models: the BMW i3, the MINI Electric, the BMW iX3, the
BMW i4 and the BMW iNEXT. By 2025, that number is set to grow to at least
twelve models. Including plug-in hybrids – whose electrically powered range
will increase significantly in the coming year – the BMW Group’s
electrified
product portfolio will then comprise at least 25 models.”
Q: Is BMW's dive into EVs driven by actual market demand, or the
fact that Germany (and the EU in general) has mandated all new
cars be electric?
A: ahahahahaah
Maybe its because Tesla is kicking BMW's ass.
Every major automaker plans to go electric
https://mashable.com/2017/10/03/electric-car-development-plans-ford-gm/
For a company that depends on the taxpayer teat for survival, the
only ass it has ever kicked is the public purse.
All EV's get the same subsidy regime in the US, BWM would receive it too.
Other companies make EVs as a sideline but their profits come from
conventional autos.  Only Tesla depends on EV subsidies for survival.
In fact, there is no known profitable EV model in the U.S., they are
all money losers.
Actually Tesla did make a profit, and is kicking BMW's ass. That's why
"By 2021, the BMW Group will have five all-electric models".
How much profit would Tesla have made without the $713 million in direct
and indirect subsidies it received in Q3?
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It makes up for the enormous subsidy ICE vehicles receive; you don't have to
pay anything to dump your tailpipe pollution into the atmosphere. Everyone
who breathes air and lives on earth pays for it instead.
Fossil companies should get PAID for dumping plant fertilizer into the
atmosphere.
Since when are ICE tailpipe emissions equivalent to plant fertilizer, lieboy?
Fill a greenhouse with a strictly oxygen/nitrogen mix and see how long
the plants live.
Unum
2018-11-09 15:46:45 UTC
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https://electrek.co/2018/11/07/bmw-electric-vehicle-plan/
“With the launch of the BMW i3, the BMW Group established itself early as a
pioneer in the field of electric mobility. Electrification is one of the key
pillars of the Group’s Strategy NUMBER ONE > NEXT. By 2021, the BMW
Group will
have five all-electric models: the BMW i3, the MINI Electric, the BMW
iX3, the
BMW i4 and the BMW iNEXT. By 2025, that number is set to grow to at least
twelve models. Including plug-in hybrids – whose electrically powered range
will increase significantly in the coming year – the BMW Group’s
electrified
product portfolio will then comprise at least 25 models.”
Q: Is BMW's dive into EVs driven by actual market demand, or the fact
that Germany (and the EU in general) has mandated all new cars be electric?
A: ahahahahaah
Maybe its because Tesla is kicking BMW's ass.
Every major automaker plans to go electric
https://mashable.com/2017/10/03/electric-car-development-plans-ford-gm/
For a company that depends on the taxpayer teat for survival, the only
ass it has ever kicked is the public purse.
All EV's get the same subsidy regime in the US, BWM would receive it too.
Other companies make EVs as a sideline but their profits come from
conventional autos.  Only Tesla depends on EV subsidies for survival. In
fact, there is no known profitable EV model in the U.S., they are all money
losers.
Actually Tesla did make a profit, and is kicking BMW's ass. That's why
"By 2021, the BMW Group will have five all-electric models".
How much profit would Tesla have made without the $713 million in direct and
indirect subsidies it received in Q3?
Already addressed. Keep running!
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It makes up for the enormous subsidy ICE vehicles receive; you don't have to
pay anything to dump your tailpipe pollution into the atmosphere. Everyone
who breathes air and lives on earth pays for it instead.
Fossil companies should get PAID for dumping plant fertilizer into the
atmosphere.
Since when are ICE tailpipe emissions equivalent to plant fertilizer, lieboy?
Fill a greenhouse with a strictly oxygen/nitrogen mix and see how long the
plants live.
Fill a greenhouse with diesel tailpipe emissions and see how long they
live, lol.
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2018-11-09 16:52:05 UTC
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https://electrek.co/2018/11/07/bmw-electric-vehicle-plan/
“With the launch of the BMW i3, the BMW Group established
itself early as a
pioneer in the field of electric mobility. Electrification is
one of the key
pillars of the Group’s Strategy NUMBER ONE > NEXT. By 2021, the
BMW Group will
have five all-electric models: the BMW i3, the MINI Electric,
the BMW iX3, the
BMW i4 and the BMW iNEXT. By 2025, that number is set to grow to at least
twelve models. Including plug-in hybrids – whose electrically
powered range
will increase significantly in the coming year – the BMW
Group’s electrified
product portfolio will then comprise at least 25 models.”
Q: Is BMW's dive into EVs driven by actual market demand, or the
fact that Germany (and the EU in general) has mandated all new
cars be electric?
A: ahahahahaah
Maybe its because Tesla is kicking BMW's ass.
Every major automaker plans to go electric
https://mashable.com/2017/10/03/electric-car-development-plans-ford-gm/
For a company that depends on the taxpayer teat for survival, the
only ass it has ever kicked is the public purse.
All EV's get the same subsidy regime in the US, BWM would receive it too.
Other companies make EVs as a sideline but their profits come from
conventional autos.  Only Tesla depends on EV subsidies for
survival. In fact, there is no known profitable EV model in the
U.S., they are all money losers.
Actually Tesla did make a profit, and is kicking BMW's ass. That's why
"By 2021, the BMW Group will have five all-electric models".
How much profit would Tesla have made without the $713 million in
direct and indirect subsidies it received in Q3?
Already addressed. Keep running!
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How much profit would Tesla have made without the $713 million in direct
and indirect subsidies it benefited from in Q3?
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It makes up for the enormous subsidy ICE vehicles receive; you don't have to
pay anything to dump your tailpipe pollution into the atmosphere. Everyone
who breathes air and lives on earth pays for it instead.
Fossil companies should get PAID for dumping plant fertilizer into
the atmosphere.
Since when are ICE tailpipe emissions equivalent to plant fertilizer, lieboy?
Fill a greenhouse with a strictly oxygen/nitrogen mix and see how long
the plants live.
Fill a greenhouse with diesel tailpipe emissions and see how long they
live, lol.
Greenhouse operators normally use natural gas burners for carbon dioxide
enhancement, but diesel exhaust would do in a pinch. Levels above 2,000
ppm do not seem to have any additional benefits for plants, but
1,000,000 ppm wouldn't kill them. Dat cuz carbon dioxide is plant food,
plants suffocate without it, it's a fundamental requirement of the
photosynthetic process. Fill a GH with diesel exhaust and eventually
all the carbon would be fixed in the plants and the atmosphere replaced
with oxygen. When all the carbon dioxide is gone, the plants would starve.

So Bravo, what a clever comeback!
Unum
2018-11-09 18:57:00 UTC
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https://electrek.co/2018/11/07/bmw-electric-vehicle-plan/
“With the launch of the BMW i3, the BMW Group established itself
early as a
pioneer in the field of electric mobility. Electrification is one of
the key
pillars of the Group’s Strategy NUMBER ONE > NEXT. By 2021, the BMW
Group will
have five all-electric models: the BMW i3, the MINI Electric, the
BMW iX3, the
BMW i4 and the BMW iNEXT. By 2025, that number is set to grow to at least
twelve models. Including plug-in hybrids – whose electrically
powered range
will increase significantly in the coming year – the BMW Group’s
electrified
product portfolio will then comprise at least 25 models.”
Q: Is BMW's dive into EVs driven by actual market demand, or the fact
that Germany (and the EU in general) has mandated all new cars be electric?
A: ahahahahaah
Maybe its because Tesla is kicking BMW's ass.
Every major automaker plans to go electric
https://mashable.com/2017/10/03/electric-car-development-plans-ford-gm/
For a company that depends on the taxpayer teat for survival, the only
ass it has ever kicked is the public purse.
All EV's get the same subsidy regime in the US, BWM would receive it too.
Other companies make EVs as a sideline but their profits come from
conventional autos.  Only Tesla depends on EV subsidies for survival. In
fact, there is no known profitable EV model in the U.S., they are all
money losers.
Actually Tesla did make a profit, and is kicking BMW's ass. That's why
"By 2021, the BMW Group will have five all-electric models".
How much profit would Tesla have made without the $713 million in direct
and indirect subsidies it received in Q3?
Already addressed. Keep running!
How much profit would Tesla have made without the $713 million in direct and
indirect subsidies it benefited from in Q3?
Post by Unum
Post by Chom Noamsky
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Post by Chom Noamsky
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It makes up for the enormous subsidy ICE vehicles receive; you don't have to
pay anything to dump your tailpipe pollution into the atmosphere. Everyone
who breathes air and lives on earth pays for it instead.
Fossil companies should get PAID for dumping plant fertilizer into the
atmosphere.
Since when are ICE tailpipe emissions equivalent to plant fertilizer, lieboy?
Fill a greenhouse with a strictly oxygen/nitrogen mix and see how long the
plants live.
Fill a greenhouse with diesel tailpipe emissions and see how long they
live, lol.
Greenhouse operators normally use natural gas burners for carbon dioxide
enhancement, but diesel exhaust would do in a pinch.  Levels above 2,000 ppm
do not seem to have any additional benefits for plants, but 1,000,000 ppm
wouldn't kill them.  Dat cuz carbon dioxide is plant food, plants suffocate
without it, it's a fundamental requirement of the photosynthetic process.
Fill a GH with diesel exhaust and eventually all the carbon would be fixed in
the plants and the atmosphere replaced with oxygen.  When all the carbon
dioxide is gone, the plants would starve.
https://ag.umass.edu/greenhouse-floriculture/fact-sheets/problems-with-using-unvented-greenhouse-heaters

All fuels contain traces of sulfur, some more than others depending on its
source. During combustion sulfur in the fuel is combined with oxygen to form
sulfur dioxide. Levels as low a ½ part per million (ppm) can cause injury on
some plants. Once the sulfur dioxide enters the plant through the stomates, it
reacts with water to produce sulfuric acid that will cause leaf burn, flecking
and general chlorosis.

Ethylene gas is another pollutant formed during combustion. It can also be
formed from ripening or rotting plant materials. Levels as low as 0.01 ppm can
create symptoms such as malformed leaves and flowers, stunted growth, bud
abcission, epinasty and flower senescence.
So Bravo, what a clever comeback!
chumpsky doesn't really know anything about all this, lol. Since when are ICE
tailpipe emissions equivalent to plant fertilizer, lieboy?
Chom Noamsky
2018-11-09 19:28:49 UTC
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https://electrek.co/2018/11/07/bmw-electric-vehicle-plan/
“With the launch of the BMW i3, the BMW Group established
itself early as a
pioneer in the field of electric mobility. Electrification is
one of the key
pillars of the Group’s Strategy NUMBER ONE > NEXT. By 2021,
the BMW Group will
have five all-electric models: the BMW i3, the MINI Electric,
the BMW iX3, the
BMW i4 and the BMW iNEXT. By 2025, that number is set to grow
to at least
twelve models. Including plug-in hybrids – whose electrically
powered range
will increase significantly in the coming year – the BMW
Group’s electrified
product portfolio will then comprise at least 25 models.”
Q: Is BMW's dive into EVs driven by actual market demand, or
the fact that Germany (and the EU in general) has mandated all
new cars be electric?
A: ahahahahaah
Maybe its because Tesla is kicking BMW's ass.
Every major automaker plans to go electric
https://mashable.com/2017/10/03/electric-car-development-plans-ford-gm/
For a company that depends on the taxpayer teat for survival,
the only ass it has ever kicked is the public purse.
All EV's get the same subsidy regime in the US, BWM would receive it too.
Other companies make EVs as a sideline but their profits come from
conventional autos.  Only Tesla depends on EV subsidies for
survival. In fact, there is no known profitable EV model in the
U.S., they are all money losers.
Actually Tesla did make a profit, and is kicking BMW's ass. That's why
"By 2021, the BMW Group will have five all-electric models".
How much profit would Tesla have made without the $713 million in
direct and indirect subsidies it received in Q3?
Already addressed. Keep running!
How much profit would Tesla have made without the $713 million in
direct and indirect subsidies it benefited from in Q3?
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It makes up for the enormous subsidy ICE vehicles receive; you don't have to
pay anything to dump your tailpipe pollution into the atmosphere. Everyone
who breathes air and lives on earth pays for it instead.
Fossil companies should get PAID for dumping plant fertilizer into
the atmosphere.
Since when are ICE tailpipe emissions equivalent to plant
fertilizer, lieboy?
Fill a greenhouse with a strictly oxygen/nitrogen mix and see how
long the plants live.
Fill a greenhouse with diesel tailpipe emissions and see how long they
live, lol.
Greenhouse operators normally use natural gas burners for carbon
dioxide enhancement, but diesel exhaust would do in a pinch.  Levels
above 2,000 ppm do not seem to have any additional benefits for
plants, but 1,000,000 ppm wouldn't kill them.  Dat cuz carbon dioxide
is plant food, plants suffocate without it, it's a fundamental
requirement of the photosynthetic process. Fill a GH with diesel
exhaust and eventually all the carbon would be fixed in the plants and
the atmosphere replaced with oxygen.  When all the carbon dioxide is
gone, the plants would starve.
https://ag.umass.edu/greenhouse-floriculture/fact-sheets/problems-with-using-unvented-greenhouse-heaters
All fuels contain traces of sulfur, some more than others depending on its
source. During combustion sulfur in the fuel is combined with oxygen to form
sulfur dioxide. Levels as low a ½ part per million (ppm) can cause injury on
some plants. Once the sulfur dioxide enters the plant through the stomates, it
reacts with water to produce sulfuric acid that will cause leaf burn, flecking
and general chlorosis.
Ethylene gas is another pollutant formed during combustion. It can also be
formed from ripening or rotting plant materials. Levels as low as 0.01 ppm can
create symptoms such as malformed leaves and flowers, stunted growth, bud
abcission, epinasty and flower senescence.
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So Bravo, what a clever comeback!
chumpsky doesn't really know anything about all this, lol. Since when are ICE
tailpipe emissions equivalent to plant fertilizer, lieboy?
You did realize the article concerns greenhouses heating, not carbon
dioxide enhancement. Right?

Well, no, because yer about as clever as a sack of hammers.
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2018-11-10 02:33:02 UTC
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https://electrek.co/2018/11/07/bmw-electric-vehicle-plan/
“With the launch of the BMW i3, the BMW Group established itself
early as a
pioneer in the field of electric mobility. Electrification is one
of the key
pillars of the Group’s Strategy NUMBER ONE > NEXT. By 2021, the
BMW Group will
have five all-electric models: the BMW i3, the MINI Electric, the
BMW iX3, the
BMW i4 and the BMW iNEXT. By 2025, that number is set to grow to
at least
twelve models. Including plug-in hybrids – whose electrically
powered range
will increase significantly in the coming year – the BMW Group’s
electrified
product portfolio will then comprise at least 25 models.”
Q: Is BMW's dive into EVs driven by actual market demand, or the
fact that Germany (and the EU in general) has mandated all new cars
be electric?
A: ahahahahaah
Maybe its because Tesla is kicking BMW's ass.
Every major automaker plans to go electric
https://mashable.com/2017/10/03/electric-car-development-plans-ford-gm/
For a company that depends on the taxpayer teat for survival, the
only ass it has ever kicked is the public purse.
All EV's get the same subsidy regime in the US, BWM would receive it too.
Other companies make EVs as a sideline but their profits come from
conventional autos.  Only Tesla depends on EV subsidies for survival.
In fact, there is no known profitable EV model in the U.S., they are
all money losers.
Actually Tesla did make a profit, and is kicking BMW's ass. That's why
"By 2021, the BMW Group will have five all-electric models".
How much profit would Tesla have made without the $713 million in direct
and indirect subsidies it received in Q3?
Already addressed. Keep running!
How much profit would Tesla have made without the $713 million in direct
and indirect subsidies it benefited from in Q3?
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It makes up for the enormous subsidy ICE vehicles receive; you don't have to
pay anything to dump your tailpipe pollution into the atmosphere. Everyone
who breathes air and lives on earth pays for it instead.
Fossil companies should get PAID for dumping plant fertilizer into the
atmosphere.
Since when are ICE tailpipe emissions equivalent to plant fertilizer, lieboy?
Fill a greenhouse with a strictly oxygen/nitrogen mix and see how long
the plants live.
Fill a greenhouse with diesel tailpipe emissions and see how long they
live, lol.
Greenhouse operators normally use natural gas burners for carbon dioxide
enhancement, but diesel exhaust would do in a pinch.  Levels above 2,000
ppm do not seem to have any additional benefits for plants, but 1,000,000
ppm wouldn't kill them.  Dat cuz carbon dioxide is plant food, plants
suffocate without it, it's a fundamental requirement of the photosynthetic
process. Fill a GH with diesel exhaust and eventually all the carbon would
be fixed in the plants and the atmosphere replaced with oxygen.  When all
the carbon dioxide is gone, the plants would starve.
https://ag.umass.edu/greenhouse-floriculture/fact-sheets/problems-with-using-unvented-greenhouse-heaters
All fuels contain traces of sulfur, some more than others depending on its
source. During combustion sulfur in the fuel is combined with oxygen to form
sulfur dioxide. Levels as low a ½ part per million (ppm) can cause injury on
some plants. Once the sulfur dioxide enters the plant through the stomates, it
reacts with water to produce sulfuric acid that will cause leaf burn, flecking
and general chlorosis.
Ethylene gas is another pollutant formed during combustion. It can also be
formed from ripening or rotting plant materials. Levels as low as 0.01 ppm can
create symptoms such as malformed leaves and flowers, stunted growth, bud
abcission, epinasty and flower senescence.
Post by Chom Noamsky
So Bravo, what a clever comeback!
chumpsky doesn't really know anything about all this, lol. Since when are ICE
tailpipe emissions equivalent to plant fertilizer, lieboy?
You did realize the article concerns greenhouses heating, not carbon dioxide
enhancement.  Right?
Sure, but the effects of the gas composition on the plants blows
you out of the water. Since when are ICE tailpipe emissions
equivalent to plant fertilizer, lieboy?
Well, no, because yer about as clever as a sack of hammers.
Keeep onnn runnninngg!

JTEM is right
2018-11-09 22:25:51 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
How much profit would Tesla have made without the $713 million in direct
and indirect subsidies it received in Q3?
That's crazy! That's crazy talk! Are you saying that
Toyota or Ford or Chrysler would sell more cars, or
more expensive cars, if they ran out & slapped a $7 to
$8 thousand rebate on all their cars?

Crazy talk!




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JTEM is right
2018-11-09 02:10:34 UTC
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With them effectively giving away all these
Tesla, Jaguar, Bentley & BMW electric
vehicles, anyone who doesn't own one should
be sent to the labor camps!







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