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AGW likely 10% higher than prev est due to lower ice albedo
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k***@gmail.com
2024-07-20 08:17:37 UTC
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A recent paper has found one of the big climate models over-estimates
how white seaice is by 5% meaning the earth is likely to warm about
10% more than the old version of the model predicts for a CO2
doubling.

Climate models underestimate sea ice melt and global warming
earth.com, 19 Jul 2024
Recent research uncovers inaccuracies in climate models' ice albedo
estimations, affecting global warming predictions.
...
The researchers discovered that the E3SM incorrectly magnified the
level of sunlight reflection from the ice, causing a miscalculation in
predicting the planet's warming.

A 5% change to a value that old textbooks put as "30%" doesn't sound
like much, but as usual even little changes have big effects when
we're talking about a sun that warms the earth to the tune of an avg
1/2 a 1-bar radiator for every m2 over the course of a year. The earth
has a LOT of m2.

The old MacKay and Khalil 1d climate model from the 1980s can be
pressed into service to calculate what a change of -5% to the earth's
albedo means.

Here's the little table:

Code dalb CO2 surftemp(C) relpreind
preind 0.1 280 16.0174 <-- pre industrial numbers
now .10 422 17.1291 1.1117 <-- what the earth should be doing now
.009 0.109 560 17.2564
.008 0.108 560 17.33
.007 0.107 560 17.4056
.006 0.106 560 17.4788
.005 0.105 560 17.5537
.004 0.104 560 17.6286
.003 0.103 560 17.7017
.002 0.102 560 17.7763
.001 0.101 560 17.8491
0 0.1 560 17.9231 1.9057 <-- with prev estimated albedo
-.001 0.099 560 17.9978
-.002 0.098 560 18.0709
-.003 0.097 560 18.1441
-.004 0.096 560 18.2183
-.005 0.095 560 18.2908 2.2734 <-- with new estimated albedo
-.006 0.094 560 18.3641
-.007 0.093 560 18.438
-.008 0.092 560 18.5109
-.009 0.091 560 18.5841


So the M&K model predicts pre-industrial surf temps with 280 ppmv of
atm CO2 would be around 16C. Running the model out to around now with
420 ppmv atm CO2 predicts current temps should be around 1.1C above
pre-ind temps. Check with all the standard datasets and you will find
the last couple years have averaged around that value. Big surprise.

We are presently 75% of the way along to a CO2 doubling with no real
end in sight to how high CO2 will go with Big Fossil's not-so-secret
plan to keep on killing the planet until they extract every possible
dime from their operations.

The M&K model predicts atm CO2 at 2x pre-ind (i.e. 560 ppmv) will have
an assoc surf temp around 1.9C above pre-ind values.

But with the new estimate of seaice albedo jammed in there that jacks
up another ~.4C to around +2.3C.

If you wonder what life at 1000 ppmv might look like when all the oil
is gone in around 50 years time, the model says surf temps will avg
around 20C -- about 4C above pre-ind values. There's only an big
up-side if we fall back to burning coal for the 500y after that. The
model predicts at 3000 ppmv atm CO2 surf temps average 23.6C -- around
7.6C above pre-ind temps.

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Paul Aubrin
2024-07-20 09:15:32 UTC
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Post by k***@gmail.com
A 5% change to a value that old textbooks put as "30%" doesn't sound
like much, but as usual even little changes have big effects when
we're talking about a sun that warms the earth to the tune of an avg
1/2 a 1-bar radiator for every m2 over the course of a year. The earth
has a LOT of m2.
How have those models been empirically validated for such long term
quite accurate predictions ? Can you provide the DOI of the
corresponding publications ?

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