The Oceans Are BOILING! - The Earth Is on FIRE!

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AlleyCat

2024-09-26 16:22:49 UTC

North Atlantic Sea Surface Temperatures continue to tank.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXBqmB1XIAArek_?format=jpg&name=medium

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September:

Unprecedented Summer Snowstorm Begins In The Alps

Italian Peaks Register Record-Breaking -24.6C (-12.3F)

Snow Clips The UK, Cold Threatens Records

Arctic Sea Ice Still Trend-less

Another New Study Finds Clouds To Be Earth's Climate Control Knob, Not CO2

Record-Breaking Snow For The Alps

Zululanders See Surprise Spring Flakes

Mount Washington Registers Early First Measurable Snow

Early-Season Snow In Austria

Scotland Shivers

Historic Lows Broken In U.S.

Greenland's Surface Gained 370 Billion Tons Of Ice Last Season, Bang On Average

Cold Records Tumble Across The East

Colder-Than-Average Augusts

India Meteorological Department Warns Of Harsh Winter To Come

Snowy Colorado

Southern Hemisphere Snow - Argentina and Chile Pounded

Early Snows Hit Kyrgyzstan

Eastern U.S. Fells Cold Records, 150 Million To See Fall-Like Temps

UK's Coolest Summer Since 2015

First Significant Snows Forecast For The Alps

150 Years Of Antarctic Ice Data Reveals Decline In Wildfires Since 1920

Arizona Sees August Snow

Europe Forecast Stark Temperature Drop

Thousands Without Power In Tasmania As Cold And Snow Intensify

Foot Of Snow Closes Going-To-The-Sun Road

Alan

2024-09-26 16:27:43 UTC

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Post by AlleyCat
North Atlantic Sea Surface Temperatures continue to tank.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXBqmB1XIAArek_?format=jpg&name=medium

"Tank"?

You're showing a chart (with no source of course!) that literally shows
that 2024 is hotter than every year on it but one.

And it's out of date:

<https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/sst_daily/?dm_id=natlan>

De-Trois-Leaning

2024-09-26 16:33:10 UTC

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Let's talk about your running away from this breach of reality you made:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/22/delta-smelt-fish-trump-california-aoe

"Last fall, Trump signed a memorandum directing federal agencies to
review and roll back environmental standards slowing down the flow of
water to farms in the Central Valley. In February this year, the
president nominated David Bernhardt to serve as his interior secretary.

...turning down the pumps isn’t quite as easy as shutting off a faucet.
The multi-story state and federal pumping plants operate in tandem and
are powerful enough to make rivers flow backward.

If the delta smelt go, California may be able to pump some more."

https://envirobites.org/2019/06/24/farmers-vs-fish-the-story-of-delta-smelt/

"To move water around, over 1,400 dams and miles of aqueducts have been
constructed. A tidal wetland-turned-agricultural land, the Sacramento –
San Joaquin Delta is the center of California’s water distribution
system. About half of California’s developed water moves through the
delta via two pumping plants: Central Valley Project (CVP) and the State
Water Project."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Valley_Project

"The Central Valley Project (CVP) is a federal power and water
management project in the U.S. state of California under the supervision
of the United States Bureau of Reclamation (USBR). It was devised in
1933 in order to provide irrigation and municipal water to much of
California's Central Valley—by regulating and storing water in
reservoirs in the northern half of the state (once considered water-rich
but suffering water-scarce conditions more than half the year in most
years), and transporting it to the water-poor San Joaquin Valley and its
surroundings by means of a series of canals, aqueducts and pump plants,
some shared with the California State Water Project (SWP). Many CVP
water users are represented by the Central Valley Project Water Association.

Two large reservoirs, Shasta Lake and Trinity Lake, are formed by a pair
of dams in the mountains north of the Sacramento Valley. Water from
Shasta Lake flows into the Sacramento River which flows to the
Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta and water from Trinity Lake flows into the
Trinity River which leads to the Pacific Ocean. Both lakes release water
at controlled rates. There, before it can flow on to San Francisco Bay
and the Pacific Ocean, some of the water is intercepted by a diversion
channel and transported to the Delta-Mendota Canal, which conveys water
southwards through the San Joaquin Valley, supplying water to San Luis
Reservoir (a SWP-shared facility) and the San Joaquin River at Mendota
Pool in the process, eventually reaching canals that irrigates farms in
the valley. Friant Dam crosses the San Joaquin River upstream of Mendota
Pool, diverting its water southwards into canals that travel into the
Tulare Lake area of the San Joaquin Valley, as far south as the Kern
River. Finally, New Melones Lake, a separate facility, stores water flow
of a San Joaquin River tributary for use during dry periods. Other
smaller, independent facilities exist to provide water to local
irrigation districts"

https://water.ca.gov/programs/state-water-project

https://water.ca.gov/Programs/State-Water-Project/Operations-and-Maintenance

Big old shutoff valve = check!

AlleyCat

2024-09-26 18:02:03 UTC

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On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 09:27:43 -0700, Alan says...

climatereanalyzer.org

LOL

For those who check in daily with climatereanalyzer.org...

... worth remembering here is that CLIMATE REANALYZER IS JUST A FORECAST, it relies on models (the GFS) for
its predictions, and we all know the trouble relying solely on models can get you into; whereas the UAH uses
real-world data collated by satellites to paint its picture.

It is our duty to fight back against the wild claims of the rampant climate alarmism that permeates media,
social (Usenet) and otherwise. Here's an example of how you do it - writing a letters to the editor rebuttal.
I urge readers to do the same when confronted with baseless scary claims.

THE ICE IS MELLLLLTINNNNNG!

https://i.imgur.com/pGMSvXA.mp4

=====

Letter: Sifting Through A Lot of Hot Air

This is a response to Ski Bunny who wrote:

"September 26th was the lowest Arctic Ice level in the history of humanity so far. ... and when science
proves you wrong you still deny the ice record's connection to oil - this position is thick as a brick. We
laugh at you. We're all laughing at you."

This shows Ski Bunny's 'thick" knowledge of the situation. That Sept. 26th claim is false.

It came from a website called climatereanalyzer.org USING MODEL DATA, NOT ACTUAL ICE LEVELS...

... and got picked up by know-nothing social media fools going viral, followed by the media that didn't
bother to check. Only two problems: they weren't "official" ice levels.

IN A SEPT 26 ASSOCIATED PRESS STORY, NOAA DISTANCED ITSELF:

https://apnews.com/article/arctic-ice-record-lowest-climate-change-sept-
483fc8e2a286062773692db1a37efe23

"NOAA, whose figures are considered the gold standard in climate data, said in a statement Thursday that it
cannot validate the unofficial numbers. It noted that the REANALYZER USES MODEL OUTPUT DATA, which it called
"not suitable" as substitutes for actual ice levels and climate records."

And there is the fact that the model only goes back to Jan., not 'the history of humanity."

Ooops!

The "lowest ice level, ever" that spurred social media panic came from the waters off the Arctic, where
apparently a computer model glitch made it look like shrimp were boiling in the ocean. Meanwhile, according
to actual data, you know, from real measurements, the ice levels of the Arctic as of this writing is...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXBqmB1XIAArek_?format=jpg&name=medium

That's not "low".

I laugh at you Alan, in fact, we're all laughing at you.

=====

September:

Unprecedented Summer Snowstorm Begins In The Alps

Italian Peaks Register Record-Breaking -24.6C (-12.3F)

Snow Clips The UK, Cold Threatens Records

Arctic Sea Ice Still Trend-less

Another New Study Finds Clouds To Be Earth's Climate Control Knob, Not CO2

Record-Breaking Snow For The Alps

Zululanders See Surprise Spring Flakes

Mount Washington Registers Early First Measurable Snow

Early-Season Snow In Austria

Scotland Shivers

Historic Lows Broken In U.S.

Greenland's Surface Gained 370 Billion Tons Of Ice Last Season, Bang On Average

Cold Records Tumble Across The East

Colder-Than-Average Augusts

India Meteorological Department Warns Of Harsh Winter To Come

Snowy Colorado

Southern Hemisphere Snow - Argentina and Chile Pounded

Early Snows Hit Kyrgyzstan

Eastern U.S. Fells Cold Records, 150 Million To See Fall-Like Temps

UK's Coolest Summer Since 2015

First Significant Snows Forecast For The Alps

150 Years Of Antarctic Ice Data Reveals Decline In Wildfires Since 1920

Arizona Sees August Snow

Europe Forecast Stark Temperature Drop

Thousands Without Power In Tasmania As Cold And Snow Intensify

Foot Of Snow Closes Going-To-The-Sun Road

Alan

2024-09-26 18:13:22 UTC

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Post by AlleyCat
On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 09:27:43 -0700, Alan says...
climatereanalyzer.org
LOL
For those who check in daily with climatereanalyzer.org...
... worth remembering here is that CLIMATE REANALYZER IS JUST A FORECAST, it relies on models (the GFS) for
its predictions, and we all know the trouble relying solely on models can get you into; whereas the UAH uses
real-world data collated by satellites to paint its picture.

It's the same source your graphic came from, doofus.

I guess that's why you've removed both links:

Because you don't want anyone to see that fact.

:-)

De-Trois-Leaning

2024-09-26 18:26:32 UTC

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Post by Alan
It's the same source your graphic came from, doofus.

Let's talk about your running away from this massive lie you tendered on
Trump:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/22/delta-smelt-fish-trump-california-aoe

"Last fall, Trump signed a memorandum directing federal agencies to
review and roll back environmental standards slowing down the flow of
water to farms in the Central Valley. In February this year, the
president nominated David Bernhardt to serve as his interior secretary.

...turning down the pumps isn’t quite as easy as shutting off a faucet.
The multi-story state and federal pumping plants operate in tandem and
are powerful enough to make rivers flow backward.

If the delta smelt go, California may be able to pump some more."

https://envirobites.org/2019/06/24/farmers-vs-fish-the-story-of-delta-smelt/

"To move water around, over 1,400 dams and miles of aqueducts have been
constructed. A tidal wetland-turned-agricultural land, the Sacramento –
San Joaquin Delta is the center of California’s water distribution
system. About half of California’s developed water moves through the
delta via two pumping plants: Central Valley Project (CVP) and the State
Water Project."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Valley_Project

"The Central Valley Project (CVP) is a federal power and water
management project in the U.S. state of California under the supervision
of the United States Bureau of Reclamation (USBR). It was devised in
1933 in order to provide irrigation and municipal water to much of
California's Central Valley—by regulating and storing water in
reservoirs in the northern half of the state (once considered water-rich
but suffering water-scarce conditions more than half the year in most
years), and transporting it to the water-poor San Joaquin Valley and its
surroundings by means of a series of canals, aqueducts and pump plants,
some shared with the California State Water Project (SWP). Many CVP
water users are represented by the Central Valley Project Water Association.

Two large reservoirs, Shasta Lake and Trinity Lake, are formed by a pair
of dams in the mountains north of the Sacramento Valley. Water from
Shasta Lake flows into the Sacramento River which flows to the
Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta and water from Trinity Lake flows into the
Trinity River which leads to the Pacific Ocean. Both lakes release water
at controlled rates. There, before it can flow on to San Francisco Bay
and the Pacific Ocean, some of the water is intercepted by a diversion
channel and transported to the Delta-Mendota Canal, which conveys water
southwards through the San Joaquin Valley, supplying water to San Luis
Reservoir (a SWP-shared facility) and the San Joaquin River at Mendota
Pool in the process, eventually reaching canals that irrigates farms in
the valley. Friant Dam crosses the San Joaquin River upstream of Mendota
Pool, diverting its water southwards into canals that travel into the
Tulare Lake area of the San Joaquin Valley, as far south as the Kern
River. Finally, New Melones Lake, a separate facility, stores water flow
of a San Joaquin River tributary for use during dry periods. Other
smaller, independent facilities exist to provide water to local
irrigation districts"

https://water.ca.gov/programs/state-water-project

https://water.ca.gov/Programs/State-Water-Project/Operations-and-Maintenance

Big old shutoff valve = check!

AlleyCat

2024-09-26 18:58:06 UTC

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On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 11:13:22 -0700, Alan says...

Post by Alan
It's the same source your graphic came from, doofus.

But it's been "modelled" out.

climatereanalyzer.org

LOL

For those who check in daily with climatereanalyzer.org...

... worth remembering here is that CLIMATE REANALYZER IS JUST A FORECAST, it relies on models (the GFS) for
its predictions, and we all know the trouble relying solely on models can get you into; whereas the UAH uses
real-world data collated by satellites to paint its picture.

It is our duty to fight back against the wild claims of the rampant climate alarmism that permeates media,
social (Usenet) and otherwise. Here's an example of how you do it - writing a letters to the editor rebuttal.
I urge readers to do the same when confronted with baseless scary claims.

THE ICE IS MELLLLLTINNNNNG!

https://i.imgur.com/pGMSvXA.mp4

=====

Letter: Sifting Through A Lot of Hot Air

This is a response to Ski Bunny who wrote:

"September 26th was the lowest Arctic Ice level in the history of humanity so far. ... and when science
proves you wrong you still deny the ice record's connection to oil - this position is thick as a brick. We
laugh at you. We're all laughing at you."

This shows Ski Bunny's 'thick" knowledge of the situation. That Sept. 26th claim is false.

It came from a website called climatereanalyzer.org USING MODEL DATA, NOT ACTUAL ICE LEVELS...

... and got picked up by know-nothing social media fools going viral, followed by the media that didn't
bother to check. Only two problems: they weren't "official" ice levels.

IN A SEPT 26 ASSOCIATED PRESS STORY, NOAA DISTANCED ITSELF:

https://apnews.com/article/arctic-ice-record-lowest-climate-change-sept-
483fc8e2a286062773692db1a37efe23

"NOAA, whose figures are considered the gold standard in climate data, said in a statement Thursday that it
cannot validate the unofficial numbers. It noted that the REANALYZER USES MODEL OUTPUT DATA, which it called
"not suitable" as substitutes for actual ice levels and climate records."

And there is the fact that the model only goes back to Jan., not 'the history of humanity."

Ooops!

The "lowest ice level, ever" that spurred social media panic came from the waters off the Arctic, where
apparently a computer model glitch made it look like shrimp were boiling in the ocean. Meanwhile, according
to actual data, you know, from real measurements, the ice levels of the Arctic as of this writing is...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXBqmB1XIAArek_?format=jpg&name=medium

That's not "low".

I laugh at you Alan, in fact, we're all laughing at you.

=====

September:

Unprecedented Summer Snowstorm Begins In The Alps

Italian Peaks Register Record-Breaking -24.6C (-12.3F)

Snow Clips The UK, Cold Threatens Records

Arctic Sea Ice Still Trend-less

Another New Study Finds Clouds To Be Earth's Climate Control Knob, Not CO2

Record-Breaking Snow For The Alps

Zululanders See Surprise Spring Flakes

Mount Washington Registers Early First Measurable Snow

Early-Season Snow In Austria

Scotland Shivers

Historic Lows Broken In U.S.

Greenland's Surface Gained 370 Billion Tons Of Ice Last Season, Bang On Average

Cold Records Tumble Across The East

Colder-Than-Average Augusts

India Meteorological Department Warns Of Harsh Winter To Come

Snowy Colorado

Southern Hemisphere Snow - Argentina and Chile Pounded

Early Snows Hit Kyrgyzstan

Eastern U.S. Fells Cold Records, 150 Million To See Fall-Like Temps

UK's Coolest Summer Since 2015

First Significant Snows Forecast For The Alps

150 Years Of Antarctic Ice Data Reveals Decline In Wildfires Since 1920

Arizona Sees August Snow

Europe Forecast Stark Temperature Drop

Thousands Without Power In Tasmania As Cold And Snow Intensify

Foot Of Snow Closes Going-To-The-Sun Road

Alan

2024-09-26 19:07:08 UTC

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Post by AlleyCat
On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 11:13:22 -0700, Alan says...

Post by Alan
It's the same source your graphic came from, doofus.

But it's been "modelled" out.

It was good enough for you to cite.

What you presented is just the exact same data but 17 days old.

Post by AlleyCat
climatereanalyzer.org
LOL
For those who check in daily with climatereanalyzer.org...
... worth remembering here is that CLIMATE REANALYZER IS JUST A FORECAST, it relies on models (the GFS) for
its predictions, and we all know the trouble relying solely on models can get you into; whereas the UAH uses
real-world data collated by satellites to paint its picture.

Nope. The sea surface temperatures are NOT forecasts.

De-Trois-Leaning

2024-09-26 19:19:34 UTC

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Post by Alan
It was good enough for you to cite.

R Kym Horsell

2024-09-26 20:30:20 UTC

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Which of course has shown record warm months and record large jumps
over the prev record for the last 15m in a row.

The next thing you guys that dont understand anything you read
will be saying is we should all move to the tropics coz everyone knows
the life expectancy and income of people in Nigeria is better than
people in Sweden.
--
[Tropical Income!]
States like: av temp(C) hh inc(1000s) Linear model
North.Dakota 4.163050 90.6471 97.8275
Minnesota 5.131940 104.195 97.0659
Wyoming 5.880990 83.0692 96.4772*
Wisconsin 6.567140 90.6953 95.9378
Michigan 7.186250 92.0735 95.4511
South.Dakota 7.471090 95.7555 95.2272
Utah 8.876250 108.933 94.1227*
Washington 9.668210 106.888 93.5002*
Ohio 10.390100 90.3967 92.9327
Virginia 12.552900 99.2207 91.2327
Kentucky 13.080900 87.4741 90.8176
Tennessee 14.607600 96.7723 89.6175
Oklahoma 15.371400 84.8509 89.0172
Arkansas 16.004200 77.6374 88.5197*
Texas 16.775800 98.362 87.9132*
South.Carolina 17.470900 82.2485 87.3668
Louisiana 19.376300 78.1249 85.8691
Florida 21.717000 85.5813 84.0291

y = -7.860567e-01*x + 1.010999e+02
P(beta<0) = 96.7%
Rank test: P(lower income at higher av temps) = 95%

[Tropical Life Expectancy!]
States like: v Temp(C) Lifex(y) Linear model:
North.Dakota 4.163050 79.5 79.8445
Wyoming 5.484380 79.5333 79.6135
Wisconsin 6.214460 79.825 79.4858
South.Dakota 7.169680 79.0667 79.3188
New.York 7.780250 80.25 79.2121
Utah 8.876250 80.1333 79.0204*
Washington 9.675100 79.7333 78.8807
Ohio 10.390100 77.8 78.7557
West.Virginia 11.185300 78.075 78.6167
Virginia 12.456800 78.48 78.3944
Nevada 13.303700 77.05 78.2463*
Tennessee 14.607600 78.55 78.0183
Oklahoma 15.589600 77.325 77.8466
Texas 16.981200 77.75 77.6033
Mississippi 17.830300 76.1 77.4548*
Louisiana 19.376300 75.7 77.1845*
Florida 21.717000 79.4 76.7752**

y = -1.748493e-01*x + 8.057242e+01
P(beta<0) = 99.8%
Rank test: p(lower life exp at higher av temps) = 99%