Biden's Electric Car Fiasco Is Already Causing An Economic "Bloodbath"

[AlleyCat]

Biden's Electric Car Fiasco Is Already Causing An Economic "Bloodbath"

Donald Trump's anodyne if overexcited comment that the U.S. auto industry would face a "bloodbath" if he's not elected and doesn't impose 50% or 100%
tariffs on cars produced predictable results.

"Don't outsmart yourself," Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) posted, and Joe Biden's campaign promptly charged Trump with promising a "bloodbath" if he
loses, without saying that he used a common metaphor and was talking about the auto industry.

That's a subject Team Biden is understandably touchy about, given the conspicuous fiasco of its electric vehicle policies.

It's summed up in a lengthy Wall Street Journal report on how a "dramatic societal shift to electric cars" had "overlooked an important constituency:
the consumer."

The evidence is plentiful. Manufacturers have been cutting prices as dealers' lots fill up with unsold electrics.

Ford is halving its output of electric F-150 trucks in its Dearborn, Michigan, plant. General Motors dealers are pressing the company to reverse its
strategy, cut EV production, and build hybrids instead. Tesla CEO Elon Musk warned of "notably lower" EV production.

Expectations elsewhere went unmet. Hertz sold off 20,000 rental EVs at a loss of $245 million and fired its CEO, a Goldman Sachs alumnus.

EV startup Fisker, which defaulted on $192 million in Obama administration loans, is reportedly preparing for bankruptcy. Apple is shutting down its
multibillion-dollar electric car division.

"Plans for an EV-led industrial revolution are in full-scale retreat" in Britain, France, and Germany, the London-based Telegraph reported. "It looks
like all those 'well-paid green jobs' are going to take a little longer to arrive than anyone anticipated."

Liberals justify the $7,500 consumer subsidies for EVs as a way to reduce carbon emissions. But, of course, reductions depend on where the
electricity, and the rare earths and metals in batteries, come from.

Meanwhile, the environmental pitch may have boosted sales among Democrats, but it also has resulted in low sales to Republicans.

These attitudes correlate with geography. EVs may be practical to zip about in the mild weather of the Pacific Coast and over the short distances of
the Northeast - Biden territory in 2020.

But EV batteries run out of charge over long distances, when it's freezing outside, or when you've got your air conditioning on - all common
experiences in the South, Midwest, and Rocky Mountain states, which Trump carried in 2016 and 2020.

It's not hard to see, although government projections seem to have missed it, that many people would be reluctant to pay more for a vehicle likely to
stop functioning totally in common use, and much more expensive to repair.

And irksome to charge. In the 1920s, the private sector built vast networks of gas stations capable of refueling a vehicle in five or 10 minutes.

In the 2020s, the government has taken on the task of building electric charging stations, with predictable results. After more than two years, the
$5 billion 2021 charging station program has produced exactly eight charging stations.

In the marketplace, it's clear the demand for electric vehicles is much smaller than that predicted by environmental enthusiasts and imposed on
carmakers by the Biden administration.

Toyota's hybrid gasoline-and-electric vehicles, while less fashionable in certain quarters than battery-powered EVs, are rated as more reliable and
just as green, and they are outselling the all-electrics.

As the late economist Herbert Stein said, "If something cannot go on forever, it will stop." Projections for EV sales have fallen woefully short
month after month.

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) projects EV sales will rise from 7.6% in 2023 to 67% in 2032, but the EPA's tailpipe regulations, the tool
used to raise EV sales, are not on track to do so.

At least not without drastically cutting total auto production. Environmental nonprofit organizations may not mind that, but the United Auto Workers,
which represents workers at Detroit's Big Three but not at Tesla or foreign-based companies, does and has demanded the administration change policy.

Which it has, sort of. The EPA is now announcing it won't enforce EV sales requirements until 2030. But it still says it's requiring two-thirds by
2032.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/after-billions-in-subsides-reality-is-sinking-in-that-evs-may-be-the-new-edsels/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/americans-arent-sold-on-evs-yet-biden-wants-to-force-carmakers-to-sell-them/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/apple-executives-pull-the-plug-on-the-companys-electric-vehicle-project/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/as-ev-sales-collapse-california-to-spend-1-9b-more-on-charging-stations/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/biden-eases-ev-mandate-but-still-cracking-down-on-gas-cars/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/bidens-new-eco-rules-will-force-half-of-new-car-sales-to-be-electric-by-2030/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/big-three-automakers-cry-out-for-ev-mercy/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/car-pileup-electric-vehicles-sitting-unsold-on-dealer-lots/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/chinese-auto-exec-warns-bloodbath-coming-for-american-auto-industry/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/despite-automaker-warnings-biden-epa-finalizing-gas-car-crackdown-to-galvanize-ev-sales/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/ev-startups-running-out-of-juice-as-demand-lags-production-stalls/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/even-blue-states-leery-bidens-ev-charging-station-scheme/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/financially-strapped-usps-spending-billions-on-evs-as-it-stonewalls-foia-requests/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/hertz-axes-20000-evs-for-gas-cars-over-low-demand-higher-costs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/house-gop-demand-answers-on-bidens-stalled-out-taxpayer-funded-ev-charger-program/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/long-term-driving-of-your-gas-car-has-lower-lifetime-co2-emissions-than-evs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/new-report-biden-epa-is-massively-overestimating-real-world-range-of-evs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/the-ev-industry-had-a-no-good-terrible-very-bad-week/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/wipe-us-out-striking-uaw-workers-rip-bidens-push-to-foist-evs-on-americans/

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December:

Murcia's Record Lows

Red Alert In Bidar Amid India's Cold Wave

Italian Alps Hit -31.1c (-24f)

U.S. Cold-Deaths Double Since 1999-The Establishment Blames Global Warming

Japan's Record-Breaking Snowfall

BBC Still Pushing Polar Bear Propaganda

White Christmas For Europe

Bengaluru's Record Cold

Xinjiang Plummets To Record -42.5c

Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Higher Now Than In 1979

Bhopal Breaks 58-Year Record

Vostok At -40c (Again)

The Truth About Iceberg A-68

Extreme Cold And Heavy Snow Slam Finland

Europe Wind Power A "Shit Situation," Says Minister

Winter Weather Grips U.S.

India Reels

Vostok Below -40c

Snow Hits Malaga, Spain

Cold Wave Sweeps Pakistan

Canadian Prairies Near -40c

Texans Warned Of "Extreme Cold"

Antarctic Sea Ice Nearing 1979-1990 Average

"Excellent" Early-Season Snow Across The Alps

Delhi's Record Cold

Chilly Waters Stun Record Number Of Turtles

Record Cold Grips Indore

Asia Chills

Record Snowfall In Midwest

Another Round Of Arctic Air To Hit Much Of North America

Mumbai's Lowest Temp In A Decade

Northern Hemisphere Cold

Russia In The Freezer

India Chills

Northern India's Big Freeze Intensifies

Cold Wave Enters Vietnam

Freezing Lows And Heavy Snows Hit U.S., More To Come

Kashmir Freezes At -18c (-0.4f)

Below Average Antarctic Plateau

Another Round Of Lake-Effect Snow

Cold Waves Lifting Natural Gas Prices

Snow Returns To Scotland And Wider Europe

Global Temperature Tumbles

Antarctic Sea Ice Recovery

Severe Cold Hits Pakistan

Florida Set For Record Cold

Snowy November At Red Mountain

U.S. Battered By Cold And Record Snow

Parts Of Ontario Under A Meter Of Snow

Early-December To Deliver Another Burial To Europe

[pothead]

Post by AlleyCat
Biden's Electric Car Fiasco Is Already Causing An Economic "Bloodbath"
Donald Trump's anodyne if overexcited comment that the U.S. auto industry would face a "bloodbath" if he's not elected and doesn't impose 50% or 100%
tariffs on cars produced predictable results.
"Don't outsmart yourself," Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) posted, and Joe Biden's campaign promptly charged Trump with promising a "bloodbath" if he
loses, without saying that he used a common metaphor and was talking about the auto industry.
That's a subject Team Biden is understandably touchy about, given the conspicuous fiasco of its electric vehicle policies.
the consumer."
The evidence is plentiful. Manufacturers have been cutting prices as dealers' lots fill up with unsold electrics.
Ford is halving its output of electric F-150 trucks in its Dearborn, Michigan, plant. General Motors dealers are pressing the company to reverse its
strategy, cut EV production, and build hybrids instead. Tesla CEO Elon Musk warned of "notably lower" EV production.
Expectations elsewhere went unmet. Hertz sold off 20,000 rental EVs at a loss of $245 million and fired its CEO, a Goldman Sachs alumnus.
EV startup Fisker, which defaulted on $192 million in Obama administration loans, is reportedly preparing for bankruptcy. Apple is shutting down its
multibillion-dollar electric car division.
"Plans for an EV-led industrial revolution are in full-scale retreat" in Britain, France, and Germany, the London-based Telegraph reported. "It looks
like all those 'well-paid green jobs' are going to take a little longer to arrive than anyone anticipated."
Liberals justify the $7,500 consumer subsidies for EVs as a way to reduce carbon emissions. But, of course, reductions depend on where the
electricity, and the rare earths and metals in batteries, come from.
Meanwhile, the environmental pitch may have boosted sales among Democrats, but it also has resulted in low sales to Republicans.
These attitudes correlate with geography. EVs may be practical to zip about in the mild weather of the Pacific Coast and over the short distances of
the Northeast - Biden territory in 2020.
But EV batteries run out of charge over long distances, when it's freezing outside, or when you've got your air conditioning on - all common
experiences in the South, Midwest, and Rocky Mountain states, which Trump carried in 2016 and 2020.
It's not hard to see, although government projections seem to have missed it, that many people would be reluctant to pay more for a vehicle likely to
stop functioning totally in common use, and much more expensive to repair.
And irksome to charge. In the 1920s, the private sector built vast networks of gas stations capable of refueling a vehicle in five or 10 minutes.
In the 2020s, the government has taken on the task of building electric charging stations, with predictable results. After more than two years, the
$5 billion 2021 charging station program has produced exactly eight charging stations.
In the marketplace, it's clear the demand for electric vehicles is much smaller than that predicted by environmental enthusiasts and imposed on
carmakers by the Biden administration.
Toyota's hybrid gasoline-and-electric vehicles, while less fashionable in certain quarters than battery-powered EVs, are rated as more reliable and
just as green, and they are outselling the all-electrics.
As the late economist Herbert Stein said, "If something cannot go on forever, it will stop." Projections for EV sales have fallen woefully short
month after month.
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) projects EV sales will rise from 7.6% in 2023 to 67% in 2032, but the EPA's tailpipe regulations, the tool
used to raise EV sales, are not on track to do so.
At least not without drastically cutting total auto production. Environmental nonprofit organizations may not mind that, but the United Auto Workers,
which represents workers at Detroit's Big Three but not at Tesla or foreign-based companies, does and has demanded the administration change policy.
Which it has, sort of. The EPA is now announcing it won't enforce EV sales requirements until 2030. But it still says it's requiring two-thirds by
2032.
https://climatechangedispatch.com/after-billions-in-subsides-reality-is-sinking-in-that-evs-may-be-the-new-edsels/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/americans-arent-sold-on-evs-yet-biden-wants-to-force-carmakers-to-sell-them/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/apple-executives-pull-the-plug-on-the-companys-electric-vehicle-project/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/as-ev-sales-collapse-california-to-spend-1-9b-more-on-charging-stations/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/biden-eases-ev-mandate-but-still-cracking-down-on-gas-cars/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/bidens-new-eco-rules-will-force-half-of-new-car-sales-to-be-electric-by-2030/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/big-three-automakers-cry-out-for-ev-mercy/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/car-pileup-electric-vehicles-sitting-unsold-on-dealer-lots/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/chinese-auto-exec-warns-bloodbath-coming-for-american-auto-industry/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/despite-automaker-warnings-biden-epa-finalizing-gas-car-crackdown-to-galvanize-ev-sales/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/ev-startups-running-out-of-juice-as-demand-lags-production-stalls/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/even-blue-states-leery-bidens-ev-charging-station-scheme/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/financially-strapped-usps-spending-billions-on-evs-as-it-stonewalls-foia-requests/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/hertz-axes-20000-evs-for-gas-cars-over-low-demand-higher-costs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/house-gop-demand-answers-on-bidens-stalled-out-taxpayer-funded-ev-charger-program/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/long-term-driving-of-your-gas-car-has-lower-lifetime-co2-emissions-than-evs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/new-report-biden-epa-is-massively-overestimating-real-world-range-of-evs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/the-ev-industry-had-a-no-good-terrible-very-bad-week/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/wipe-us-out-striking-uaw-workers-rip-bidens-push-to-foist-evs-on-americans/

I don't have a problem with EVs but rather with mandates attacking fossil fuels and ICE cars forcing
people at some point into EVs. Like CA is doing for example.
I also am against government rebates for buying an EV.

Let the market decide is my philosophy.
Why are the libbys so opposed to that simple concept?

[Alan]

Post by pothead

Post by AlleyCat
Biden's Electric Car Fiasco Is Already Causing An Economic "Bloodbath"
Donald Trump's anodyne if overexcited comment that the U.S. auto industry would face a "bloodbath" if he's not elected and doesn't impose 50% or 100%
tariffs on cars produced predictable results.
"Don't outsmart yourself," Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) posted, and Joe Biden's campaign promptly charged Trump with promising a "bloodbath" if he
loses, without saying that he used a common metaphor and was talking about the auto industry.
That's a subject Team Biden is understandably touchy about, given the conspicuous fiasco of its electric vehicle policies.
the consumer."
The evidence is plentiful. Manufacturers have been cutting prices as dealers' lots fill up with unsold electrics.
Ford is halving its output of electric F-150 trucks in its Dearborn, Michigan, plant. General Motors dealers are pressing the company to reverse its
strategy, cut EV production, and build hybrids instead. Tesla CEO Elon Musk warned of "notably lower" EV production.
Expectations elsewhere went unmet. Hertz sold off 20,000 rental EVs at a loss of $245 million and fired its CEO, a Goldman Sachs alumnus.
EV startup Fisker, which defaulted on $192 million in Obama administration loans, is reportedly preparing for bankruptcy. Apple is shutting down its
multibillion-dollar electric car division.
"Plans for an EV-led industrial revolution are in full-scale retreat" in Britain, France, and Germany, the London-based Telegraph reported. "It looks
like all those 'well-paid green jobs' are going to take a little longer to arrive than anyone anticipated."
Liberals justify the $7,500 consumer subsidies for EVs as a way to reduce carbon emissions. But, of course, reductions depend on where the
electricity, and the rare earths and metals in batteries, come from.
Meanwhile, the environmental pitch may have boosted sales among Democrats, but it also has resulted in low sales to Republicans.
These attitudes correlate with geography. EVs may be practical to zip about in the mild weather of the Pacific Coast and over the short distances of
the Northeast - Biden territory in 2020.
But EV batteries run out of charge over long distances, when it's freezing outside, or when you've got your air conditioning on - all common
experiences in the South, Midwest, and Rocky Mountain states, which Trump carried in 2016 and 2020.
It's not hard to see, although government projections seem to have missed it, that many people would be reluctant to pay more for a vehicle likely to
stop functioning totally in common use, and much more expensive to repair.
And irksome to charge. In the 1920s, the private sector built vast networks of gas stations capable of refueling a vehicle in five or 10 minutes.
In the 2020s, the government has taken on the task of building electric charging stations, with predictable results. After more than two years, the
$5 billion 2021 charging station program has produced exactly eight charging stations.
In the marketplace, it's clear the demand for electric vehicles is much smaller than that predicted by environmental enthusiasts and imposed on
carmakers by the Biden administration.
Toyota's hybrid gasoline-and-electric vehicles, while less fashionable in certain quarters than battery-powered EVs, are rated as more reliable and
just as green, and they are outselling the all-electrics.
As the late economist Herbert Stein said, "If something cannot go on forever, it will stop." Projections for EV sales have fallen woefully short
month after month.
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) projects EV sales will rise from 7.6% in 2023 to 67% in 2032, but the EPA's tailpipe regulations, the tool
used to raise EV sales, are not on track to do so.
At least not without drastically cutting total auto production. Environmental nonprofit organizations may not mind that, but the United Auto Workers,
which represents workers at Detroit's Big Three but not at Tesla or foreign-based companies, does and has demanded the administration change policy.
Which it has, sort of. The EPA is now announcing it won't enforce EV sales requirements until 2030. But it still says it's requiring two-thirds by
2032.
https://climatechangedispatch.com/after-billions-in-subsides-reality-is-sinking-in-that-evs-may-be-the-new-edsels/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/americans-arent-sold-on-evs-yet-biden-wants-to-force-carmakers-to-sell-them/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/apple-executives-pull-the-plug-on-the-companys-electric-vehicle-project/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/as-ev-sales-collapse-california-to-spend-1-9b-more-on-charging-stations/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/biden-eases-ev-mandate-but-still-cracking-down-on-gas-cars/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/bidens-new-eco-rules-will-force-half-of-new-car-sales-to-be-electric-by-2030/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/big-three-automakers-cry-out-for-ev-mercy/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/car-pileup-electric-vehicles-sitting-unsold-on-dealer-lots/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/chinese-auto-exec-warns-bloodbath-coming-for-american-auto-industry/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/despite-automaker-warnings-biden-epa-finalizing-gas-car-crackdown-to-galvanize-ev-sales/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/ev-startups-running-out-of-juice-as-demand-lags-production-stalls/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/even-blue-states-leery-bidens-ev-charging-station-scheme/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/financially-strapped-usps-spending-billions-on-evs-as-it-stonewalls-foia-requests/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/hertz-axes-20000-evs-for-gas-cars-over-low-demand-higher-costs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/house-gop-demand-answers-on-bidens-stalled-out-taxpayer-funded-ev-charger-program/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/long-term-driving-of-your-gas-car-has-lower-lifetime-co2-emissions-than-evs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/new-report-biden-epa-is-massively-overestimating-real-world-range-of-evs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/the-ev-industry-had-a-no-good-terrible-very-bad-week/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/wipe-us-out-striking-uaw-workers-rip-bidens-push-to-foist-evs-on-americans/

I don't have a problem with EVs but rather with mandates attacking fossil fuels and ICE cars forcing
people at some point into EVs. Like CA is doing for example.
I also am against government rebates for buying an EV.
Let the market decide is my philosophy.
Why are the libbys so opposed to that simple concept?

'Country trends in fossil-fuel subsidies

Examine fossil-fuel subsidies by country in USD. Visualise trends by
fuel type and filter by beneficiaries and support mechanism for more
detailed insights.'

<https://fossilfuelsubsidytracker.org/country/>

Check out the numbers for the US.

There's more than $5 billion for petroleum alone.

Now: how much does the US spend on EV subsidies?

[pothead]

Post by Alan

Post by pothead

Post by AlleyCat
Biden's Electric Car Fiasco Is Already Causing An Economic "Bloodbath"
Donald Trump's anodyne if overexcited comment that the U.S. auto industry would face a "bloodbath" if he's not elected and doesn't impose 50% or 100%
tariffs on cars produced predictable results.
"Don't outsmart yourself," Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) posted, and Joe Biden's campaign promptly charged Trump with promising a "bloodbath" if he
loses, without saying that he used a common metaphor and was talking about the auto industry.
That's a subject Team Biden is understandably touchy about, given the conspicuous fiasco of its electric vehicle policies.
the consumer."
The evidence is plentiful. Manufacturers have been cutting prices as dealers' lots fill up with unsold electrics.
Ford is halving its output of electric F-150 trucks in its Dearborn, Michigan, plant. General Motors dealers are pressing the company to reverse its
strategy, cut EV production, and build hybrids instead. Tesla CEO Elon Musk warned of "notably lower" EV production.
Expectations elsewhere went unmet. Hertz sold off 20,000 rental EVs at a loss of $245 million and fired its CEO, a Goldman Sachs alumnus.
EV startup Fisker, which defaulted on $192 million in Obama administration loans, is reportedly preparing for bankruptcy. Apple is shutting down its
multibillion-dollar electric car division.
"Plans for an EV-led industrial revolution are in full-scale retreat" in Britain, France, and Germany, the London-based Telegraph reported. "It looks
like all those 'well-paid green jobs' are going to take a little longer to arrive than anyone anticipated."
Liberals justify the $7,500 consumer subsidies for EVs as a way to reduce carbon emissions. But, of course, reductions depend on where the
electricity, and the rare earths and metals in batteries, come from.
Meanwhile, the environmental pitch may have boosted sales among Democrats, but it also has resulted in low sales to Republicans.
These attitudes correlate with geography. EVs may be practical to zip about in the mild weather of the Pacific Coast and over the short distances of
the Northeast - Biden territory in 2020.
But EV batteries run out of charge over long distances, when it's freezing outside, or when you've got your air conditioning on - all common
experiences in the South, Midwest, and Rocky Mountain states, which Trump carried in 2016 and 2020.
It's not hard to see, although government projections seem to have missed it, that many people would be reluctant to pay more for a vehicle likely to
stop functioning totally in common use, and much more expensive to repair.
And irksome to charge. In the 1920s, the private sector built vast networks of gas stations capable of refueling a vehicle in five or 10 minutes.
In the 2020s, the government has taken on the task of building electric charging stations, with predictable results. After more than two years, the
$5 billion 2021 charging station program has produced exactly eight charging stations.
In the marketplace, it's clear the demand for electric vehicles is much smaller than that predicted by environmental enthusiasts and imposed on
carmakers by the Biden administration.
Toyota's hybrid gasoline-and-electric vehicles, while less fashionable in certain quarters than battery-powered EVs, are rated as more reliable and
just as green, and they are outselling the all-electrics.
As the late economist Herbert Stein said, "If something cannot go on forever, it will stop." Projections for EV sales have fallen woefully short
month after month.
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) projects EV sales will rise from 7.6% in 2023 to 67% in 2032, but the EPA's tailpipe regulations, the tool
used to raise EV sales, are not on track to do so.
At least not without drastically cutting total auto production. Environmental nonprofit organizations may not mind that, but the United Auto Workers,
which represents workers at Detroit's Big Three but not at Tesla or foreign-based companies, does and has demanded the administration change policy.
Which it has, sort of. The EPA is now announcing it won't enforce EV sales requirements until 2030. But it still says it's requiring two-thirds by
2032.
https://climatechangedispatch.com/after-billions-in-subsides-reality-is-sinking-in-that-evs-may-be-the-new-edsels/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/americans-arent-sold-on-evs-yet-biden-wants-to-force-carmakers-to-sell-them/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/apple-executives-pull-the-plug-on-the-companys-electric-vehicle-project/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/as-ev-sales-collapse-california-to-spend-1-9b-more-on-charging-stations/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/biden-eases-ev-mandate-but-still-cracking-down-on-gas-cars/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/bidens-new-eco-rules-will-force-half-of-new-car-sales-to-be-electric-by-2030/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/big-three-automakers-cry-out-for-ev-mercy/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/car-pileup-electric-vehicles-sitting-unsold-on-dealer-lots/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/chinese-auto-exec-warns-bloodbath-coming-for-american-auto-industry/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/despite-automaker-warnings-biden-epa-finalizing-gas-car-crackdown-to-galvanize-ev-sales/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/ev-startups-running-out-of-juice-as-demand-lags-production-stalls/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/even-blue-states-leery-bidens-ev-charging-station-scheme/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/financially-strapped-usps-spending-billions-on-evs-as-it-stonewalls-foia-requests/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/hertz-axes-20000-evs-for-gas-cars-over-low-demand-higher-costs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/house-gop-demand-answers-on-bidens-stalled-out-taxpayer-funded-ev-charger-program/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/long-term-driving-of-your-gas-car-has-lower-lifetime-co2-emissions-than-evs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/new-report-biden-epa-is-massively-overestimating-real-world-range-of-evs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/the-ev-industry-had-a-no-good-terrible-very-bad-week/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/wipe-us-out-striking-uaw-workers-rip-bidens-push-to-foist-evs-on-americans/

I don't have a problem with EVs but rather with mandates attacking fossil fuels and ICE cars forcing
people at some point into EVs. Like CA is doing for example.
I also am against government rebates for buying an EV.
Let the market decide is my philosophy.
Why are the libbys so opposed to that simple concept?

'Country trends in fossil-fuel subsidies
Examine fossil-fuel subsidies by country in USD. Visualise trends by
fuel type and filter by beneficiaries and support mechanism for more
detailed insights.'
<https://fossilfuelsubsidytracker.org/country/>
Check out the numbers for the US.
There's more than $5 billion for petroleum alone.
Now: how much does the US spend on EV subsidies?

Apples and oranges.
Fossil fuels affect everyone in one form or another.
EV cars do not.
If you want to purchase one, knock yourself out but don't expect my
tax dollars to help pay for your new toy.
Same for student loan bailouts BTW.

However to answer your question:

For 2024 as of October.

'The U.S. has already spent $2 billion on EV subsidies this year'

<https://qz.com/ev-tax-rebates-subsidies-us-cost-electric-cars-1851663017>

[Mitchell Holman]

Post by pothead

Post by Alan

Post by pothead

Post by AlleyCat
Biden's Electric Car Fiasco Is Already Causing An Economic
"Bloodbath"
Donald Trump's anodyne if overexcited comment that the U.S. auto
industry would face a "bloodbath" if he's not elected and doesn't
impose 50% or 100% tariffs on cars produced predictable results.
"Don't outsmart yourself," Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) posted, and
Joe Biden's campaign promptly charged Trump with promising a
"bloodbath" if he loses, without saying that he used a common
metaphor and was talking about the auto industry.
That's a subject Team Biden is understandably touchy about, given
the conspicuous fiasco of its electric vehicle policies.
It's summed up in a lengthy Wall Street Journal report on how a
"dramatic societal shift to electric cars" had "overlooked an
important constituency: the consumer."
The evidence is plentiful. Manufacturers have been cutting prices
as dealers' lots fill up with unsold electrics.
Ford is halving its output of electric F-150 trucks in its
Dearborn, Michigan, plant. General Motors dealers are pressing the
company to reverse its strategy, cut EV production, and build
hybrids instead. Tesla CEO Elon Musk warned of "notably lower" EV
production.
Expectations elsewhere went unmet. Hertz sold off 20,000 rental EVs
at a loss of $245 million and fired its CEO, a Goldman Sachs
alumnus.
EV startup Fisker, which defaulted on $192 million in Obama
administration loans, is reportedly preparing for bankruptcy. Apple
is shutting down its multibillion-dollar electric car division.
"Plans for an EV-led industrial revolution are in full-scale
retreat" in Britain, France, and Germany, the London-based
Telegraph reported. "It looks like all those 'well-paid green jobs'
are going to take a little longer to arrive than anyone
anticipated."
Liberals justify the $7,500 consumer subsidies for EVs as a way to
reduce carbon emissions. But, of course, reductions depend on where
the electricity, and the rare earths and metals in batteries, come
from.
Meanwhile, the environmental pitch may have boosted sales among
Democrats, but it also has resulted in low sales to Republicans.
These attitudes correlate with geography. EVs may be practical to
zip about in the mild weather of the Pacific Coast and over the
short distances of the Northeast - Biden territory in 2020.
But EV batteries run out of charge over long distances, when it's
freezing outside, or when you've got your air conditioning on - all
common experiences in the South, Midwest, and Rocky Mountain
states, which Trump carried in 2016 and 2020.
It's not hard to see, although government projections seem to have
missed it, that many people would be reluctant to pay more for a
vehicle likely to stop functioning totally in common use, and much
more expensive to repair.
And irksome to charge. In the 1920s, the private sector built vast
networks of gas stations capable of refueling a vehicle in five or
10 minutes.
In the 2020s, the government has taken on the task of building
electric charging stations, with predictable results. After more
than two years, the $5 billion 2021 charging station program has
produced exactly eight charging stations.
In the marketplace, it's clear the demand for electric vehicles is
much smaller than that predicted by environmental enthusiasts and
imposed on carmakers by the Biden administration.
Toyota's hybrid gasoline-and-electric vehicles, while less
fashionable in certain quarters than battery-powered EVs, are rated
as more reliable and just as green, and they are outselling the
all-electrics.
As the late economist Herbert Stein said, "If something cannot go
on forever, it will stop." Projections for EV sales have fallen
woefully short month after month.
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) projects EV sales will
rise from 7.6% in 2023 to 67% in 2032, but the EPA's tailpipe
regulations, the tool used to raise EV sales, are not on track to
do so.
At least not without drastically cutting total auto production.
Environmental nonprofit organizations may not mind that, but the
United Auto Workers, which represents workers at Detroit's Big
Three but not at Tesla or foreign-based companies, does and has
demanded the administration change policy.
Which it has, sort of. The EPA is now announcing it won't enforce
EV sales requirements until 2030. But it still says it's requiring
two-thirds by 2032.
https://climatechangedispatch.com/after-billions-in-subsides-reality
-is-sinking-in-that-evs-may-be-the-new-edsels/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/americans-arent-sold-on-evs-yet-bi
den-wants-to-force-carmakers-to-sell-them/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/apple-executives-pull-the-plug-on-
the-companys-electric-vehicle-project/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/as-ev-sales-collapse-california-to
-spend-1-9b-more-on-charging-stations/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/biden-eases-ev-mandate-but-still-c
racking-down-on-gas-cars/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/bidens-new-eco-rules-will-force-ha
lf-of-new-car-sales-to-be-electric-by-2030/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/big-three-automakers-cry-out-for-e
v-mercy/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/car-pileup-electric-vehicles-sitti
ng-unsold-on-dealer-lots/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/chinese-auto-exec-warns-bloodbath-
coming-for-american-auto-industry/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/despite-automaker-warnings-biden-e
pa-finalizing-gas-car-crackdown-to-galvanize-ev-sales/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/ev-startups-running-out-of-juice-a
s-demand-lags-production-stalls/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/even-blue-states-leery-bidens-ev-c
harging-station-scheme/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/financially-strapped-usps-spending
-billions-on-evs-as-it-stonewalls-foia-requests/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/hertz-axes-20000-evs-for-gas-cars-
over-low-demand-higher-costs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/house-gop-demand-answers-on-bidens
-stalled-out-taxpayer-funded-ev-charger-program/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/long-term-driving-of-your-gas-car-
has-lower-lifetime-co2-emissions-than-evs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/new-report-biden-epa-is-massively-
overestimating-real-world-range-of-evs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/the-ev-industry-had-a-no-good-terr
ible-very-bad-week/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/wipe-us-out-striking-uaw-workers-r
ip-bidens-push-to-foist-evs-on-americans/

I don't have a problem with EVs but rather with mandates attacking
fossil fuels and ICE cars forcing people at some point into EVs.
Like CA is doing for example. I also am against government rebates
for buying an EV.
Let the market decide is my philosophy.
Why are the libbys so opposed to that simple concept?

'Country trends in fossil-fuel subsidies
Examine fossil-fuel subsidies by country in USD. Visualise trends by
fuel type and filter by beneficiaries and support mechanism for more
detailed insights.'
<https://fossilfuelsubsidytracker.org/country/>
Check out the numbers for the US.
There's more than $5 billion for petroleum alone.
Now: how much does the US spend on EV subsidies?

Apples and oranges.
Fossil fuels affect everyone in one form or another.
EV cars do not.
If you want to purchase one, knock yourself out but don't expect my
tax dollars to help pay for your new toy.
Same for student loan bailouts BTW.
For 2024 as of October.
'The U.S. has already spent $2 billion on EV subsidies this year'

That is a rookie number.


"Fossil fuel subsidies are energy subsidies
on fossil fuels, and in 2023 totalled over
1 trillion dollars"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_fuel_subsidies


{Remember that a trillion is 1000 billion)

[pothead]

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by pothead

Post by Alan

Post by pothead

Post by AlleyCat
Biden's Electric Car Fiasco Is Already Causing An Economic
"Bloodbath"
Donald Trump's anodyne if overexcited comment that the U.S. auto
industry would face a "bloodbath" if he's not elected and doesn't
impose 50% or 100% tariffs on cars produced predictable results.
"Don't outsmart yourself," Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) posted, and
Joe Biden's campaign promptly charged Trump with promising a
"bloodbath" if he loses, without saying that he used a common
metaphor and was talking about the auto industry.
That's a subject Team Biden is understandably touchy about, given
the conspicuous fiasco of its electric vehicle policies.
It's summed up in a lengthy Wall Street Journal report on how a
"dramatic societal shift to electric cars" had "overlooked an
important constituency: the consumer."
The evidence is plentiful. Manufacturers have been cutting prices
as dealers' lots fill up with unsold electrics.
Ford is halving its output of electric F-150 trucks in its
Dearborn, Michigan, plant. General Motors dealers are pressing the
company to reverse its strategy, cut EV production, and build
hybrids instead. Tesla CEO Elon Musk warned of "notably lower" EV
production.
Expectations elsewhere went unmet. Hertz sold off 20,000 rental EVs
at a loss of $245 million and fired its CEO, a Goldman Sachs
alumnus.
EV startup Fisker, which defaulted on $192 million in Obama
administration loans, is reportedly preparing for bankruptcy. Apple
is shutting down its multibillion-dollar electric car division.
"Plans for an EV-led industrial revolution are in full-scale
retreat" in Britain, France, and Germany, the London-based
Telegraph reported. "It looks like all those 'well-paid green jobs'
are going to take a little longer to arrive than anyone
anticipated."
Liberals justify the $7,500 consumer subsidies for EVs as a way to
reduce carbon emissions. But, of course, reductions depend on where
the electricity, and the rare earths and metals in batteries, come
from.
Meanwhile, the environmental pitch may have boosted sales among
Democrats, but it also has resulted in low sales to Republicans.
These attitudes correlate with geography. EVs may be practical to
zip about in the mild weather of the Pacific Coast and over the
short distances of the Northeast - Biden territory in 2020.
But EV batteries run out of charge over long distances, when it's
freezing outside, or when you've got your air conditioning on - all
common experiences in the South, Midwest, and Rocky Mountain
states, which Trump carried in 2016 and 2020.
It's not hard to see, although government projections seem to have
missed it, that many people would be reluctant to pay more for a
vehicle likely to stop functioning totally in common use, and much
more expensive to repair.
And irksome to charge. In the 1920s, the private sector built vast
networks of gas stations capable of refueling a vehicle in five or
10 minutes.
In the 2020s, the government has taken on the task of building
electric charging stations, with predictable results. After more
than two years, the $5 billion 2021 charging station program has
produced exactly eight charging stations.
In the marketplace, it's clear the demand for electric vehicles is
much smaller than that predicted by environmental enthusiasts and
imposed on carmakers by the Biden administration.
Toyota's hybrid gasoline-and-electric vehicles, while less
fashionable in certain quarters than battery-powered EVs, are rated
as more reliable and just as green, and they are outselling the
all-electrics.
As the late economist Herbert Stein said, "If something cannot go
on forever, it will stop." Projections for EV sales have fallen
woefully short month after month.
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) projects EV sales will
rise from 7.6% in 2023 to 67% in 2032, but the EPA's tailpipe
regulations, the tool used to raise EV sales, are not on track to
do so.
At least not without drastically cutting total auto production.
Environmental nonprofit organizations may not mind that, but the
United Auto Workers, which represents workers at Detroit's Big
Three but not at Tesla or foreign-based companies, does and has
demanded the administration change policy.
Which it has, sort of. The EPA is now announcing it won't enforce
EV sales requirements until 2030. But it still says it's requiring
two-thirds by 2032.
https://climatechangedispatch.com/after-billions-in-subsides-reality
-is-sinking-in-that-evs-may-be-the-new-edsels/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/americans-arent-sold-on-evs-yet-bi
den-wants-to-force-carmakers-to-sell-them/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/apple-executives-pull-the-plug-on-
the-companys-electric-vehicle-project/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/as-ev-sales-collapse-california-to
-spend-1-9b-more-on-charging-stations/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/biden-eases-ev-mandate-but-still-c
racking-down-on-gas-cars/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/bidens-new-eco-rules-will-force-ha
lf-of-new-car-sales-to-be-electric-by-2030/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/big-three-automakers-cry-out-for-e
v-mercy/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/car-pileup-electric-vehicles-sitti
ng-unsold-on-dealer-lots/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/chinese-auto-exec-warns-bloodbath-
coming-for-american-auto-industry/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/despite-automaker-warnings-biden-e
pa-finalizing-gas-car-crackdown-to-galvanize-ev-sales/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/ev-startups-running-out-of-juice-a
s-demand-lags-production-stalls/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/even-blue-states-leery-bidens-ev-c
harging-station-scheme/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/financially-strapped-usps-spending
-billions-on-evs-as-it-stonewalls-foia-requests/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/hertz-axes-20000-evs-for-gas-cars-
over-low-demand-higher-costs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/house-gop-demand-answers-on-bidens
-stalled-out-taxpayer-funded-ev-charger-program/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/long-term-driving-of-your-gas-car-
has-lower-lifetime-co2-emissions-than-evs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/new-report-biden-epa-is-massively-
overestimating-real-world-range-of-evs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/the-ev-industry-had-a-no-good-terr
ible-very-bad-week/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/wipe-us-out-striking-uaw-workers-r
ip-bidens-push-to-foist-evs-on-americans/

I don't have a problem with EVs but rather with mandates attacking
fossil fuels and ICE cars forcing people at some point into EVs.
Like CA is doing for example. I also am against government rebates
for buying an EV.
Let the market decide is my philosophy.
Why are the libbys so opposed to that simple concept?

'Country trends in fossil-fuel subsidies
Examine fossil-fuel subsidies by country in USD. Visualise trends by
fuel type and filter by beneficiaries and support mechanism for more
detailed insights.'
<https://fossilfuelsubsidytracker.org/country/>
Check out the numbers for the US.
There's more than $5 billion for petroleum alone.
Now: how much does the US spend on EV subsidies?

Apples and oranges.
Fossil fuels affect everyone in one form or another.
EV cars do not.
If you want to purchase one, knock yourself out but don't expect my
tax dollars to help pay for your new toy.
Same for student loan bailouts BTW.
For 2024 as of October.
'The U.S. has already spent $2 billion on EV subsidies this year'

That is a rookie number.
"Fossil fuel subsidies are energy subsidies
on fossil fuels, and in 2023 totalled over
1 trillion dollars"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_fuel_subsidies
{Remember that a trillion is 1000 billion)

Again, apples and oranges.

[Mitchell Holman]

Post by pothead

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by pothead

Post by Alan

Post by pothead

Post by AlleyCat
Biden's Electric Car Fiasco Is Already Causing An Economic "Bloodbath"
Donald Trump's anodyne if overexcited comment that the U.S. auto
industry would face a "bloodbath" if he's not elected and doesn't
impose 50% or 100% tariffs on cars produced predictable results.
"Don't outsmart yourself," Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) posted, and
Joe Biden's campaign promptly charged Trump with promising a
"bloodbath" if he loses, without saying that he used a common
metaphor and was talking about the auto industry.
That's a subject Team Biden is understandably touchy about, given
the conspicuous fiasco of its electric vehicle policies.
It's summed up in a lengthy Wall Street Journal report on how a
"dramatic societal shift to electric cars" had "overlooked an
important constituency: the consumer."
The evidence is plentiful. Manufacturers have been cutting prices
as dealers' lots fill up with unsold electrics.
Ford is halving its output of electric F-150 trucks in its
Dearborn, Michigan, plant. General Motors dealers are pressing the
company to reverse its strategy, cut EV production, and build
hybrids instead. Tesla CEO Elon Musk warned of "notably lower" EV
production.
Expectations elsewhere went unmet. Hertz sold off 20,000 rental EVs
at a loss of $245 million and fired its CEO, a Goldman Sachs
alumnus.
EV startup Fisker, which defaulted on $192 million in Obama
administration loans, is reportedly preparing for bankruptcy. Apple
is shutting down its multibillion-dollar electric car division.
"Plans for an EV-led industrial revolution are in full-scale
retreat" in Britain, France, and Germany, the London-based
Telegraph reported. "It looks like all those 'well-paid green jobs'
are going to take a little longer to arrive than anyone
anticipated."
Liberals justify the $7,500 consumer subsidies for EVs as a way to
reduce carbon emissions. But, of course, reductions depend on where
the electricity, and the rare earths and metals in batteries, come
from.
Meanwhile, the environmental pitch may have boosted sales among
Democrats, but it also has resulted in low sales to Republicans.
These attitudes correlate with geography. EVs may be practical to
zip about in the mild weather of the Pacific Coast and over the
short distances of the Northeast - Biden territory in 2020.
But EV batteries run out of charge over long distances, when it's
freezing outside, or when you've got your air conditioning on - all
common experiences in the South, Midwest, and Rocky Mountain
states, which Trump carried in 2016 and 2020.
It's not hard to see, although government projections seem to have
missed it, that many people would be reluctant to pay more for a
vehicle likely to stop functioning totally in common use, and much
more expensive to repair.
And irksome to charge. In the 1920s, the private sector built vast
networks of gas stations capable of refueling a vehicle in five or
10 minutes.
In the 2020s, the government has taken on the task of building
electric charging stations, with predictable results. After more
than two years, the $5 billion 2021 charging station program has
produced exactly eight charging stations.
In the marketplace, it's clear the demand for electric vehicles is
much smaller than that predicted by environmental enthusiasts and
imposed on carmakers by the Biden administration.
Toyota's hybrid gasoline-and-electric vehicles, while less
fashionable in certain quarters than battery-powered EVs, are rated
as more reliable and just as green, and they are outselling the
all-electrics.
As the late economist Herbert Stein said, "If something cannot go
on forever, it will stop." Projections for EV sales have fallen
woefully short month after month.
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) projects EV sales will
rise from 7.6% in 2023 to 67% in 2032, but the EPA's tailpipe
regulations, the tool used to raise EV sales, are not on track to
do so.
At least not without drastically cutting total auto production.
Environmental nonprofit organizations may not mind that, but the
United Auto Workers, which represents workers at Detroit's Big
Three but not at Tesla or foreign-based companies, does and has
demanded the administration change policy.
Which it has, sort of. The EPA is now announcing it won't enforce
EV sales requirements until 2030. But it still says it's requiring
two-thirds by 2032.
https://climatechangedispatch.com/after-billions-in-subsides-

reality

Post by pothead

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by pothead

Post by Alan

Post by pothead

Post by AlleyCat
-is-sinking-in-that-evs-may-be-the-new-edsels/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/americans-arent-sold-on-evs-yet-

bi

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Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by pothead

Post by Alan

Post by pothead

Post by AlleyCat
den-wants-to-force-carmakers-to-sell-them/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/apple-executives-pull-the-plug-

on-

Post by pothead

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by pothead

Post by Alan

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the-companys-electric-vehicle-project/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/as-ev-sales-collapse-california-

to

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Post by Mitchell Holman

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Post by Alan

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Post by AlleyCat
-spend-1-9b-more-on-charging-stations/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/biden-eases-ev-mandate-but-

still-c

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Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by pothead

Post by Alan

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racking-down-on-gas-cars/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/bidens-new-eco-rules-will-force-

ha

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Post by Mitchell Holman

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lf-of-new-car-sales-to-be-electric-by-2030/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/big-three-automakers-cry-out-

for-e

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v-mercy/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/car-pileup-electric-vehicles-

sitti

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Post by Alan

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ng-unsold-on-dealer-lots/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/chinese-auto-exec-warns-

bloodbath-

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Post by Mitchell Holman

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coming-for-american-auto-industry/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/despite-automaker-warnings-

biden-e

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Post by Mitchell Holman

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Post by Alan

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Post by AlleyCat
pa-finalizing-gas-car-crackdown-to-galvanize-ev-sales/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/ev-startups-running-out-of-

juice-a

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Post by Mitchell Holman

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Post by Alan

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s-demand-lags-production-stalls/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/even-blue-states-leery-bidens-

ev-c

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harging-station-scheme/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/financially-strapped-usps-

spending

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Post by Alan

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-billions-on-evs-as-it-stonewalls-foia-requests/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/hertz-axes-20000-evs-for-gas-

cars-

Post by pothead

Post by Mitchell Holman

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over-low-demand-higher-costs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/house-gop-demand-answers-on-

bidens

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Post by Mitchell Holman

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Post by Alan

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Post by AlleyCat
-stalled-out-taxpayer-funded-ev-charger-program/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/long-term-driving-of-your-gas-

car-

Post by pothead

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by pothead

Post by Alan

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Post by AlleyCat
has-lower-lifetime-co2-emissions-than-evs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/new-report-biden-epa-is-

massively-

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Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by pothead

Post by Alan

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Post by AlleyCat
overestimating-real-world-range-of-evs/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/the-ev-industry-had-a-no-good-

terr

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Post by Mitchell Holman

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Post by Alan

Post by pothead

Post by AlleyCat
ible-very-bad-week/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/wipe-us-out-striking-uaw-

workers-r

Post by pothead

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by pothead

Post by Alan

Post by pothead

Post by AlleyCat
ip-bidens-push-to-foist-evs-on-americans/

I don't have a problem with EVs but rather with mandates attacking
fossil fuels and ICE cars forcing people at some point into EVs.
Like CA is doing for example. I also am against government rebates
for buying an EV.
Let the market decide is my philosophy.
Why are the libbys so opposed to that simple concept?

'Country trends in fossil-fuel subsidies
Examine fossil-fuel subsidies by country in USD. Visualise trends by
fuel type and filter by beneficiaries and support mechanism for more
detailed insights.'
<https://fossilfuelsubsidytracker.org/country/>
Check out the numbers for the US.
There's more than $5 billion for petroleum alone.
Now: how much does the US spend on EV subsidies?

Apples and oranges.
Fossil fuels affect everyone in one form or another.
EV cars do not.
If you want to purchase one, knock yourself out but don't expect my
tax dollars to help pay for your new toy.
Same for student loan bailouts BTW.
For 2024 as of October.
'The U.S. has already spent $2 billion on EV subsidies this year'

That is a rookie number.
"Fossil fuel subsidies are energy subsidies
on fossil fuels, and in 2023 totalled over
1 trillion dollars"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_fuel_subsidies
{Remember that a trillion is 1000 billion)

Again, apples and oranges.

Entirely on point.

[Siri Cruise]

Post by pothead
people at some point into EVs. Like CA is doing for example.

You prefer for people to choke out their lives.

[JTEM]

Post by Siri Cruise
You prefer for people to choke out their lives.

You're going to be chemically lobotomized by lithium.

It's water soluble. It's an element, it's never ever
going away. They're mining it, concentrating it and
putting it into everything. Everything.

Mercury leaching out of landfills is already a problem,
and there are VASTLY more stringent controls on mercury
than there is lithium.

It's going to happen. There is no stopping it, short of
dying sooner rather than later.

[Alan]

Post by JTEM

Post by Siri Cruise
You prefer for people to choke out their lives.

You're going to be chemically lobotomized by lithium.
It's water soluble. It's an element, it's never ever
going away. They're mining it, concentrating it and
putting it into everything. Everything.
Mercury leaching out of landfills is already a problem,
and there are VASTLY more stringent controls on mercury
than there is lithium.
It's going to happen. There is no stopping it, short of
dying sooner rather than later.

Christ on a crutch, here we go...

[JTEM]

Post by Alan

Post by JTEM

Post by Siri Cruise
You prefer for people to choke out their lives.

You're going to be chemically lobotomized by lithium.
It's water soluble. It's an element, it's never ever
going away. They're mining it, concentrating it and
putting it into everything. Everything.
Mercury leaching out of landfills is already a problem,
and there are VASTLY more stringent controls on mercury
than there is lithium.
It's going to happen. There is no stopping it, short of
dying sooner rather than later.

Christ on a crutch, here we go...

Just out of curiosity: Did your parents have any children
they could be proud of, or at least figure out how to use
Google? Because NOTHING I just said is disputed by any
source. Nothing.

[AlleyCat]

On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 19:31:00 -0500, JTEM says...

Post by JTEM

Post by Alan

Post by JTEM

Post by Siri Cruise
You prefer for people to choke out their lives.

You're going to be chemically lobotomized by lithium.
It's water soluble. It's an element, it's never ever
going away. They're mining it, concentrating it and
putting it into everything. Everything.
Mercury leaching out of landfills is already a problem,
and there are VASTLY more stringent controls on mercury
than there is lithium.
It's going to happen. There is no stopping it, short of
dying sooner rather than later.

Christ on a crutch, here we go...

Just out of curiosity: Did your parents have any children
they could be proud of, or at least figure out how to use
Google? Because NOTHING I just said is disputed by any
source. Nothing.

They did, but he's gone.

This is Ski Bunny's father:

https://i.imgur.com/z96f3Yi.mp4

Now, all they have is Ski Bunny, and he can't live up to his brother, so we get the angry and detestable version.

[JTEM]

Post by pothead
I don't have a problem with EVs but rather with mandates attacking fossil fuels and ICE cars forcing
people at some point into EVs. Like CA is doing for example.
I also am against government rebates for buying an EV.

If they had mandated an NG pump at every gas station the air
quality in all our most crowded cities would already be
improved, and our "CO2" emissions would be lower.

People want to do the right thing. People care. But EVs are
not a replacement for gasoline powered cars.

On one tank of gas we could go from Boston to Fort Lee NJ,
down to Hoboken and then back to Boston (in heavy traffic)
with a stop off the highway in Connecticut for a steamed
cheeseburger.

Yeah. They're weird in Connecticut. Steamed burgers are a
thing there...

It was an over 400 mile round trip.

We did this on Thursday: A 13 hour, three state tour,
though we took the subway into Manhattan for a few hours
while the car sat in Hoboken..

Still. Try that with any EV.

Lithium is also a mind altering element. It's used to
treat some pretty hefty disorders, like schizoaffective
disorder, and ALREADY areas with naturally elevated
traces of lithium in their water show a change to the
human population -- they're more docile. Violent crimes
and suicides drop. And it sounds like a good thing but
it's making normal people more docile, too. Now image
all the lithium they're mining, concentrating and driving
all over the country...

It's water soluble, impossible to keep out of the water
supply.

There's vastly tighter controls on mercury and it's already
a problem.

[Alan]

Post by JTEM

Post by pothead
I don't have a problem with EVs but rather with mandates attacking
fossil fuels and ICE cars forcing
people at some point into EVs. Like CA is doing for example.
I also am against government rebates for buying an EV.

If they had mandated an NG pump at every gas station the air
quality in all our most crowded cities would already be
improved, and our "CO2" emissions would be lower.

You get that "NG" stands for "natural gas" and that natural gas is
mostly methane (CH4) and ethane (C2H6)...

...right?

Post by JTEM
People want to do the right thing. People care. But EVs are
not a replacement for gasoline powered cars.
On one tank of gas we could go from Boston to Fort Lee NJ,
down to Hoboken and then back to Boston (in heavy traffic)
with a stop off the highway in Connecticut for a steamed
cheeseburger.
Yeah. They're weird in Connecticut. Steamed burgers are a
thing there...
It was an over 400 mile round trip.
We did this on Thursday:  A 13 hour, three state tour,
though we took the subway into Manhattan for a few hours
while the car sat in Hoboken..
Still. Try that with any EV.

<https://www.kbb.com/electric-car/longest-range-electric-cars/>

And did you do a "13 hour, three state tour" with no breaks?

If the car was sitting Hoboken for a "few hours"...

...couldn't you have been charging an EV while that was happening?

[JTEM]

Post by Alan
You get that "NG" stands for "natural gas" and that natural gas is
mostly methane (CH4) and ethane (C2H6)...

Post by Alan
...right?

You burn it. It's gone, burned up. It's as non-existing as all
your other Gwobull Warbling claims.

You honestly didn't know this, that NG is burned?

Goddamn you are stupid!

[Alan]

Post by JTEM

Post by Alan
You get that "NG" stands for "natural gas" and that natural gas is
mostly methane (CH4) and ethane (C2H6)...

Post by Alan
...right?

You burn it. It's gone, burned up. It's as non-existing as all
your other Gwobull Warbling claims.
You honestly didn't know this, that NG is burned?
Goddamn you are stupid!

The CO2 isn't gone, loser.

[JTEM]

Post by Alan
The CO2 isn't gone, loser.

Speaking of losers: Who cares?

If we used it as a motor fuel you would have less CO2 is
piss your pants over, though it can't possibly make a
difference if you narrative has any truth to it.

Learn your own narrative! Your imaginary Gwobull Warbling
started when man-made emissions hit 1 billion tons, in the
19th century. Since then the human population has grown so
much that we easily surpass TWICE that just from exhaling!

You did know humans exhale CO2, right?

And the bubbles in your soda or beer? Hmm?

So not only do we have to reduce emissions from industry
BELOW that seen in the early to mid 1800s -- 1830 is, at
present, the favored start point -- but we will have to
murder roughly 7 out of every 8 people to "Reverse
Gwobull Warbling!!!!!"

Even then it couldn't work, because your narrative claims
that CO2 remains in the atmosphere for 300 to a thousand
years. But you didn't know any of this because you are so
profoundly stupid you never bothered to even figure out
WHAT you are endorsing & defending...


Typical.

[Alan]

Post by JTEM

Post by Alan
The CO2 isn't gone, loser.

Speaking of losers: Who cares?
If we used it as a motor fuel you would have less CO2 is piss your
pants over, though it can't possibly make a difference if you
narrative has any truth to it.
Learn your own narrative! Your imaginary Gwobull Warbling started
when man-made emissions hit 1 billion tons, in the 19th century.
Since then the human population has grown so much that we easily
surpass TWICE that just from exhaling!
You did know humans exhale CO2, right?

Do you know what "zero sum" means?

Post by JTEM
And the bubbles in your soda or beer? Hmm?
So not only do we have to reduce emissions from industry BELOW that
seen in the early to mid 1800s -- 1830 is, at present, the favored
start point -- but we will have to murder roughly 7 out of every 8
people to "Reverse Gwobull Warbling!!!!!"
Even then it couldn't work, because your narrative claims that CO2
remains in the atmosphere for 300 to a thousand years. But you
didn't know any of this because you are so profoundly stupid you
never bothered to even figure out WHAT you are endorsing &
defending...
Typical.

[JTEM]

Post by Alan
Do you know what "zero sum" means?

It means that unless we murder off 7 billion people, we're
still producing more than TWICE AS MUCH CO2 as your religion
claims got Gwobull Warbling started.

That's what it means.

Even if 100% of all human emissions from industrialization
and energy production ceased immediately, humans, just from
breathing, would still produce more than twice as much CO2
as your Greta Gospels claim got AGW started.

AND, CO2 levels would continue to rise for 300 to a thousand
years...

That's if we eliminated 100% of emissions right now.

[Alan]

Post by JTEM

Post by Alan
Do you know what "zero sum" means?

It means that unless we murder off 7 billion people, we're
still producing more than TWICE AS MUCH CO2 as your religion
claims got Gwobull Warbling started.
That's what it means.

Nope.

Try again.

[JTEM]

Post by JTEM

Post by Alan
Do you know what "zero sum" means?

It means that unless we murder off 7 billion people, we're
still producing more than TWICE AS MUCH CO2 as your religion
claims got Gwobull Warbling started.
That's what it means.

Nope.

I know you're retarded, not to mention mentally ill, but I
laid it all out for you: YOUR narrative, the "Climate
Change" narrative you find so precious has AGW starting in
the 19th century -- the 1800s -- when emissions hit 1
billion tons of CO2. And humans JUST BY BREATHING emit more
than TWICE THAT MUCH more due to the increase in population
size. So even if we eliminated 100% of "Carbon" emissions,
we'd still be producing TWICE AS MUCH CO2 as is need to
create AGW, going by your own narrative -- the official
narrative you pretend is science.

AND, CO2 stays in the atmosphere for 300 to a thousand years,
according to that same narrative... that "Science."

So CO2 levels have to keep rising NO MATTER WHAT for the
next century... a little more actually: 2130 is when they
would begin to drop, if we eliminated 7 billion people
PLUS got emissions down below a billion tons. Then it's only
take a minimum of 105 years.

According to your "Science."

[Siri Cruise]

Post by JTEM
the 19th century -- the 1800s -- when emissions hit 1
billion tons of CO2. And humans JUST BY BREATHING emit more
than TWICE THAT MUCH more due to the increase in population

All the carbon dioxide we exhale is removed from the air within
the year and turned into sugar by plants.

The plants that turned carbon dioxide into coal died out 400
million years ago.

[JTEM]

Post by JTEM
the 19th century -- the 1800s -- when emissions hit 1
billion tons of CO2. And humans JUST BY BREATHING emit more
than TWICE THAT MUCH more due to the increase in population

All the carbon dioxide we exhale is removed from the air within the year
and turned into sugar by plants.

"Once it’s added to the atmosphere, it hangs around, for a long
time: between 300 to 1,000 years."

https://science.nasa.gov/earth/climate-change/greenhouse-gases/the-atmosphere-getting-a-handle-on-carbon-dioxide/

You're making an excellent point about how the narrative morphs
to avoid problems.

You know what you stated is nonsense, abject idiocy, because why
wouldn't that be the case with CO2 produced by coal or oil?

Burning wood produces more CO2 than coal, the dirtiest of fossil
fuels, but that's certified "Green" and promoted as an "Alternative."

The rise in population just since the fairy tale has AGW starting
accounts for MORE THAN TWICE AS MUCH CO2 as they claim sparked AGW
in the first place, and you testifying that it's okay. Plants can
tell that humans breathed it out so, unlike with coal or oil, they'll
use *That* CO2.

The lie you're spreading is not a mistake, it's not a random error.
It's to point away from the fact that it's literally impossible to
stop this imaginary AGW without slaughtering 87.5% of mankind, at the
very least.

I'm not saying it's your lie, that you originated it, only that you
are propagating disinformation designed to eliminate a massive
contradiction in the "Climate Change" narrative.

[Siri Cruise]

Post by JTEM
"Once it’s added to the atmosphere, it hangs around, for a long
time: between 300 to 1,000 years."

Where do plants get carbon dioxide for photosynthesis?

Post by JTEM
Burning wood produces more CO2 than coal, the dirtiest of fossil
fuels, but that's certified "Green" and promoted as an "Alternative."

Share with us how wood is formed without photosynthesis. Do you
have any pictures of groves of mighty coal groves?

Post by JTEM
The rise in population just since the fairy tale has AGW starting
accounts for MORE THAN TWICE AS MUCH CO2 as they claim sparked AGW

You are profoundly stupid.

Post by JTEM
in the first place, and you testifying that it's okay. Plants can
tell that humans breathed it out so, unlike with coal or oil, they'll
use *That* CO2.

Where are plants free to grow without being eaten by animals as
what happened in the Carboniferous?

[JTEM]

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by JTEM
"Once it’s added to the atmosphere, it hangs around, for a long
time: between 300 to 1,000 years."

Where do plants get carbon dioxide for photosynthesis?

So you're saying that the "Science" is lying. That the "Science"
in support of your Gwobull Warbling dogma is fake. AND, that the
fact that this "Science" is fake proves your precious Gwobull
Warbling is real...

"The SCIENTISTS insisting that it's real are lying to us, that's
how I know it's real!"

But it's a religion for you, and you'll just make a "Leap of faith."

Right?

Who cares about massive contradictions anyway... certainly not you.

[Siri Cruise]

Post by JTEM

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by JTEM
"Once it’s added to the atmosphere, it hangs around, for a long
time: between 300 to 1,000 years."

Where do plants get carbon dioxide for photosynthesis?

So you're saying that the "Science" is lying. That the "Science"
in support of your Gwobull Warbling dogma is fake. AND, that the
fact that this "Science" is fake proves your precious Gwobull
Warbling is real...

'Once it’s added to the atmosphere, it hangs around, for a long
time: between 300 to 1,000 years.' So where do plants get carbon
dioxide for photosynthesis?

Post by JTEM
Who cares about massive contradictions anyway... certainly not you.

Clear up the contradictions. Where do plants get carbon dioxide
for photosynthesis?

[Alan]

Post by JTEM

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by JTEM
"Once it’s added to the atmosphere, it hangs around, for a long
time: between 300 to 1,000 years."

Where do plants get carbon dioxide for photosynthesis?

So you're saying that the "Science" is lying. That the "Science"
in support of your Gwobull Warbling dogma is fake. AND, that the
fact that this "Science" is fake proves your precious Gwobull
Warbling is real...
"The SCIENTISTS insisting that it's real are lying to us, that's
how I know it's real!"
But it's a religion for you, and you'll just make a "Leap of faith."
Right?
Who cares about massive contradictions anyway... certainly not you.

What he's saying is that he UNDERSTANDS the basic science.

You don't.

[AlleyCat]

On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 02:45:06 -0800, Siri Cruise says...

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by JTEM
the 19th century -- the 1800s -- when emissions hit 1
billion tons of CO2. And humans JUST BY BREATHING emit more
than TWICE THAT MUCH more due to the increase in population

All the carbon dioxide we exhale is removed from the air within
the year and turned into sugar by plants.

Aussie man drops truth bombs about trees and CO2.

Do we have a CO2 scam?

Nature takes care of CO2 if we allow it. But trees don't make the elites money so...

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1682943779593154560/pu/vid/480x600/ruAiEYYZNjLrVH9h.mp4?tag=12

Have you lowered the warming rate, yet?

=====

Trump WINS!

Donald Trump is the 47th U.S. president, defeating Vice President Kamala Harris.

Republican Donald Trump was elected President of the United States in the 2024 election, defeating Vice President Kamala Harris.

Trump, 78, will begin his second term early next year.

Donald Trump will be inaugurated as the U.S. President on Monday, January 20, 2025, on the West Front of the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C.

A Second Trump Administration

[Alan]

Post by AlleyCat
On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 02:45:06 -0800, Siri Cruise says...

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by JTEM
the 19th century -- the 1800s -- when emissions hit 1
billion tons of CO2. And humans JUST BY BREATHING emit more
than TWICE THAT MUCH more due to the increase in population

All the carbon dioxide we exhale is removed from the air within
the year and turned into sugar by plants.

Aussie man drops truth bombs about trees and CO2.

Not really.

Post by AlleyCat
Do we have a CO2 scam?
Nature takes care of CO2 if we allow it. But trees don't make the elites money so...
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1682943779593154560/pu/vid/480x600/ruAiEYYZNjLrVH9h.mp4?tag=12
Have you lowered the warming rate, yet?

Because the Australian government's figure for CO2 emissions was only
about fossil fuels. So the 499 million metric tons figure he claims to
counter doesn't include all the CO2 produced by animal life.

It is a NET figure, after accounting for animal production and vegetable
absorption of carbon dioxide...

...and the report from which it came says so:

"This Report provides estimates of Australia’s NET greenhouse gas
emissions for the period 1989–90 to 2020–21,"

"Australia’s NET greenhouse gas emissions from all sectors were 464.8
million tonnes (Mt) of carbon dioxide"

[AlleyCat]

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 11:32:30 -0800, Alan says...

Post by Alan

Post by AlleyCat
Aussie man drops truth bombs about trees and CO2.

Not really.

The opposite of truth is what?

Show us his lie.

Listen to it again, dipshit.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1682943779593154560/pu/vid/480x600/ruAiEYYZNjLrVH9h.mp4?tag=12

Post by Alan
Because the Australian government's figure for CO2 emissions was only about fossil fuels... So the 499 million metric tons figure he claims to
counter doesn't include all the CO2 produced by animal life.

And his count of trees ONLY, doesn't include all the CO2 that his processed by ALL other plants life, including Mangroves, of which there are MANY
and process 50 times more CO² than trees. So Australia is in a state of EQUILIBRIUM or MORE, so why all the taxes? While all the land clearings for
solar and wind? Why all the cattle killings?

This: Redistributing Wealth to Governments and away from those who make it, because they want and exhibit:

A) power
B) control
C) greed
D) world position and influence

The UN Makes it Official: Global Warming Hysteria Is All About Redistributing Wealth

UN IPCC Official Admits "We Redistribute World's Wealth By Climate Policy"

Global Study Reveals Wealth Redistribution From Blue-Carbon Ecosystems

Failed Climate Policies Are About Wealth Redistribution

"We Redistribute De Facto The World's Wealth By Climate Policy."

How Global Warming Has Made The Rich Richer
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20190502-how-global-warming-has-made-the-rich-richer

The U.N.'s Global Warming War On Capitalism: An Important History Lesson
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/01/22/the-u-n-s-global-warming-war-on-capitalism-an-important-history-lesson-2/?sh=4f89a2d429be

The Doha Wealth Redistribution Process Moves On
https://townhall.com/columnists/davidrothbard/2012/12/14/the-doha-wealth-redistribution-process-moves-on-n1465410

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"There is no doubt, that we need to have a complete transformation... the transformation of the economy, and that includes, of course, the private
sector."

A carbon tax will change NOTHING, other than the wealth of politicians and countries who beg us for money. THAT was the purpose of the Paris
Accord... the ONLY purpose.

Funny... when the government no longer pays for bogus money-grabbing data, the truth comes out.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI

"And we're like... the world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change..."

AOC's Top Aide Admits Green New Deal About The Economy, Not Climate
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aocs-top-aide-admits-green-new-deal-
about-the-economy-not-the-climate

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff recently admitted that the Green New Deal was not conceived as an effort to deal with climate change,
but instead a "how-do-you-change-the-entire economy thing" -- a remark likely to fuel Republican claims that the deal is nothing more than a thinly
veiled socialist takeover of the U.S. economy. "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all,"
Saikat Chakrabarti said in May, according to The Washington Post.

*****

UN Official Admits That Climate Change Used As A Ruse To Control The World's Economy
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/diabolical-lie-called-climate-change-used-
un-promote-economic-agenda/

*****

"Unequal Distribution of Wealth and Power" Causes Climate Change
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/un-climate-summit-causes-of-
climate-change-unequal-distribution-of-wealth-and-power/

*****

U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to-
destroy-capitalism/

*****

Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-
admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

*****

United Nations Official Admits the Purpose of the Global Warming Hoax is to Destroy Capitalism
http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/donald-r-may/2015-02-
27/united-nations-official-admits-purpose-global-warming#.V-nGUOM1HmE

[AlleyCat]

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 11:32:30 -0800, Alan says...

"Australia?s NET greenhouse gas emissions from all sectors were 464.8
million tonnes (Mt) of carbon dioxide"

That means the trees and the billions of "other" flora, including Mangroves, which process 50x what trees do, do quite a nice job of keeping CO² in
check, which IS what you freaks blame on warming, when those who don't accept that the science "is settled", do not.

0.04% of the atmosphere is but a gnat-shit speck on the forcings "RADAR".

https://i.imgur.com/ar52rH7.mp4

"(CO²)... versus the 100s of other variables at work."

=============================================================================

Climate Change Explains EVERYTHING!

Climate Change makes for shorter winters, except for when it makes for longer winters.

Climate Change means less snow, except for when Climate Change means more snow.

And Climate Change causes droughts in California and floods in Texas and Oklahoma and generally makes wet places wetter and dry places dryer, except
when it makes wet places drier and dry places wetter, except when none of that changes at all, and then Climate Change explains that too!

And Climate Change causes more hurricanes at the same time as it causes less hurricanes.

Climate Change causes more rain but less water... and less rain but more water?

And Climate Change causes more water vapour in the atmosphere, at the same time it causes less rain... and less water vapour in the atmosphere, when
it causes MORE rain?

Climate Change decreases the spread of malaria at the same time as it increases the spread of malaria.

Climate Change makes San Francisco foggier... Climate Change makes San Francisco less foggy.

Climate Change causes duller autumn leaves... Climate Change causes shinier autumn leaves.

Climate Change makes for less salty seas... Climate Change makes for saltier seas.

Climate Change causes the polar ice caps to melt... Climate Change also causes the polar ice caps to freeze.

Climate Change makes the Earth hotter, unless the Earth isn't getting hotter... in which case, Climate Change can explain that too.

What's the problem here? This sounds like the perfect scientific theory. It can explain literally everything including self contradictory things.

This means it's absolutely perfect, doesn't it?

Well no, not according to Karl Popper and the philosophers of science and within the philosophy of science there's something called the demarcation
problem... how do you differentiate science from pseudo-science?

The left won't LET you, and brands you a denierrrrrrr(whining).

[JTEM]

Post by Alan
Because the Australian government's figure for CO2 emissions was only
about fossil fuels. So the 499 million metric tons figure he claims to
counter doesn't include all the CO2 produced by animal life.

Actually, our brain dead climate bot, all of Gwobull Warbling hysterics
is centered on fossil fuels. That's it. The narrative even claims that
burning wood is "Green," though wood emits more CO2 than coal...

Post by Alan
It is a NET figure, after accounting for animal production and vegetable
absorption of carbon dioxide...
"This Report provides estimates of Australia’s NET greenhouse gas
emissions for the period 1989–90 to 2020–21,"
"Australia’s NET greenhouse gas emissions from all sectors were 464.8
million tonnes (Mt) of carbon dioxide"

Can you cite this study? Because you never established HOW they
determined "Net." You claim that they subtracted what was absorbed by
all vegetation -- natural and domestic -- from what was produced by
fossil fuels. But you did not establish this, you simply claim it.

[Alan]

Post by JTEM

Post by JTEM

Post by Alan
Do you know what "zero sum" means?

It means that unless we murder off 7 billion people, we're
still producing more than TWICE AS MUCH CO2 as your religion
claims got Gwobull Warbling started.
That's what it means.

Nope.

I know you're retarded, not to mention mentally ill, but I
laid it all out for you:  YOUR narrative, the "Climate
Change" narrative you find so precious has AGW starting in
the 19th century -- the 1800s -- when emissions hit 1
billion tons of CO2. And humans JUST BY BREATHING emit more
than TWICE THAT MUCH more due to the increase in population
size. So even if we eliminated 100% of "Carbon" emissions,
we'd still be producing TWICE AS MUCH CO2 as is need to
create AGW, going by your own narrative -- the official
narrative you pretend is science.
AND, CO2 stays in the atmosphere for 300 to a thousand years,
according to that same narrative... that "Science."
So CO2 levels have to keep rising NO MATTER WHAT for the
next century... a little more actually:  2130 is when they
would begin to drop, if we eliminated 7 billion people
PLUS got emissions down below a billion tons. Then it's only
take a minimum of 105 years.
According to your "Science."

In order to produce CO2, a human has to be alive and to be alive, her or
she must be EATING.

And whether or not he or she is eating meat or plants, all those
calories derive from plants eventually...

...and plants take CO2 OUT of the atmosphere.

Hence: zero sum.

[AlleyCat]

On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 10:20:07 -0800, Alan says...

Post by Alan
...and plants take CO2 OUT of the atmosphere.
Hence: zero sum.

So... NO warming from ANY animal eating, burping or farting.

Thanks.

=====

December:

Murcia's Record Lows

Red Alert In Bidar Amid India's Cold Wave

Italian Alps Hit -31.1c (-24f)

U.S. Cold-Deaths Double Since 1999-The Establishment Blames Global Warming

Japan's Record-Breaking Snowfall

BBC Still Pushing Polar Bear Propaganda

White Christmas For Europe

Bengaluru's Record Cold

Xinjiang Plummets To Record -42.5c

Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Higher Now Than In 1979

Bhopal Breaks 58-Year Record

Vostok At -40c (Again)

The Truth About Iceberg A-68

Extreme Cold And Heavy Snow Slam Finland

Europe Wind Power A "Shit Situation," Says Minister

Winter Weather Grips U.S.

India Reels

Vostok Below -40c

Snow Hits Malaga, Spain

Cold Wave Sweeps Pakistan

Canadian Prairies Near -40c

Texans Warned Of "Extreme Cold"

Antarctic Sea Ice Nearing 1979-1990 Average

"Excellent" Early-Season Snow Across The Alps

Delhi's Record Cold

Chilly Waters Stun Record Number Of Turtles

Record Cold Grips Indore

Asia Chills

Record Snowfall In Midwest

Another Round Of Arctic Air To Hit Much Of North America

Mumbai's Lowest Temp In A Decade

Northern Hemisphere Cold

Russia In The Freezer

India Chills

Northern India's Big Freeze Intensifies

Cold Wave Enters Vietnam

Freezing Lows And Heavy Snows Hit U.S., More To Come

Kashmir Freezes At -18c (-0.4f)

Below Average Antarctic Plateau

Another Round Of Lake-Effect Snow

Cold Waves Lifting Natural Gas Prices

Snow Returns To Scotland And Wider Europe

Global Temperature Tumbles

Antarctic Sea Ice Recovery

Severe Cold Hits Pakistan

Florida Set For Record Cold

Snowy November At Red Mountain

U.S. Battered By Cold And Record Snow

Parts Of Ontario Under A Meter Of Snow

Early-December To Deliver Another Burial To Europe

[Siri Cruise]

Post by AlleyCat
On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 10:20:07 -0800, Alan says...

Post by Alan
...and plants take CO2 OUT of the atmosphere.
Hence: zero sum.

So... NO warming from ANY animal eating, burping or farting.

Animals do other things like dig up ancient plants and oxidise
them faster than modern plants remove the oxide.

The carbon exchange between plant and animal metabolisms were
mostly balanced before animals began non-metabolic carbon dioxide
production. An other big non-metabolic carbon dioxide production
caused the Permian extinction. It took plants a long time to
rebalance that.

[JTEM]

An other big non-metabolic carbon dioxide production caused the Permian
extinction.

No it didn't.

And you can't simultaneously believe AND disbelieve your own
Gwobull Warbling "Science." Least not if you're mentally stable.

You insist that the science is bullshit, that NASA's claims are
fake news, AND that you believe their Gwobull Warbling narrative.

Yeah, you're pretty fucked up...

Our climate is NOT driven by CO2. Humanity would be much better
off with a WARMER (not cooler) earth. Current temperatures are
not outside of the earth's norms, not for an interglacial period
inside of an ice age.

[Siri Cruise]

Post by JTEM

Another big non-metabolic carbon dioxide production caused the
Permian extinction.

No it didn't.

You so stupid.

[JTEM]

Post by Siri Cruise
Permian extinction

The Permian Extinction is believed to have been caused by
volcanic activity. Yes, volcanoes do release a lot of CO2
but that's not what caused the extinctions. It's only
because science is dead -- ass raped by politics -- that
in VERY RECENT YEARS maggots have accepted money in order
to pretend it was CO2.

Sulfur is what killed the oceans. It comes back down as
sulfuric acid.

"Acid Rain" was, like back in the 80s, considered a major
fear. But there was a boatload of regulations and the
threat subsided. You can still find TONS of sources claiming
that lakes in places like NY were "dead" because of the
solidification, and that even stone monuments were being
eroded by all the acid rain...

Of course, the kind of volcanic activity and the amount of
sulfur we're associating with the Permian Extinction would
be off the charts in comparison to anything that has
happened in the entire history of the genus Homo...

You're mouth breathing, knuckle dragging, drool soaked idiot
who has to disbelieve much of his own Gwobull Warbling
narrative in order to continue to believe it... NASA insisting
that CO2 remains in the atmosphere for 300 to 1000 years, for
example.

[Alan]

Post by JTEM

Post by Siri Cruise
Permian extinction

The Permian Extinction is believed to have been caused by
volcanic activity. Yes, volcanoes do release a lot of CO2
but that's not what caused the extinctions. It's only
because science is dead -- ass raped by politics -- that
in VERY RECENT YEARS maggots have accepted money in order
to pretend it was CO2.
Sulfur is what killed the oceans. It comes back down as
sulfuric acid.
"Acid Rain" was, like back in the 80s, considered a major
fear. But there was a boatload of regulations and the
threat subsided. You can still find TONS of sources claiming
that lakes in places like NY were "dead" because of the
solidification, and that even stone monuments were being
eroded by all the acid rain...
Of course, the kind of volcanic activity and the amount of
sulfur we're associating with the Permian Extinction would
be off the charts in comparison to anything that has
happened in the entire history of the genus Homo...
You're mouth breathing, knuckle dragging, drool soaked idiot
who has to disbelieve much of his own Gwobull Warbling
narrative in order to continue to believe it... NASA insisting
that CO2 remains in the atmosphere for 300 to 1000 years, for
example.

That is ONE fact about CO2, doofus.

There are others.

Animals and plants exist in an equilibrium. Animals emit CO2, but plants
absorb it.

Fossil fuel CO2 is outside of that equilibrium.

[AlleyCat]

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 11:19:20 -0800, Alan says...

Post by Alan
Animals and plants exist in an equilibrium.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

THAT is the most UNscientific thing you have EVER said.

You might as well start calling yourself, Greta.

So... you're saying that before humans came along, the amount of CO² in the air and the number of all animals and plants on Earth, were in
equilibrium and BALANCED with each other?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So... when "we" had extinctions, like after the various asteroids that have hit Earth, the CO² lowered it's OWN levels to go back into equilibrium
with plants and animals?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sometimes, faggot... sometimes. I just don't know about you.

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And Global Warming causes more hurricanes at the same time as it causes less hurricanes.

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Global Warming makes the Earth hotter, unless the Earth isn't getting hotter... in which case, Global Warming can explain that too.

What's the problem here? This sounds like the perfect scientific theory. It can explain literally everything including self contradictory things.

This means it's absolutely perfect, doesn't it?

[AlleyCat]

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 11:19:20 -0800, Alan says...

Post by Alan
Fossil fuel CO2 is outside of that equilibrium.

Then, so are termites.

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/10/31/us/termite-gas-exceeds-smokestack-pollution.html

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Termites Emit 2xs More Co2 Than Humans. Soil Emits 9xs More. Termite ...

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CO2 emissions from termites are more than double human emissions from fossil fuels. Image sources: New York Times, 1982, Zimmerman et al., 1982 o
Termite populations have been observed expanding rapidly in recent decades. Image Source: Grace, 2006 Image Source: Buczkowski and

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American Cities Face Mass Termite Invasion, Scientists Warn

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May 1, 2024 - Stock image of termites. ISTOCK / GETTY IMAGES PLUS "A solitary termite colony, nestled within a small piece of wood, could
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1) Russian Drought and Famine of 1601--03 Killing one-third of
the population.

2) India... Deccan drought and Famine of 1630 -- 32 An estimated
two million perished.

3) Chinese Drought and Famine of 1907 In a matter of months an
estimated 24 million people were killed. (California
drought... HA, he said sarcastically)

4) India Drought and Famine: Took place between 1896 and 1902,
claiming an estimated 19 million lives.

5) Bengal Drought and Famine of 1770 An estimated 15 million
perished in the Drought and Famine

6) Northern Chinese Drought and Famine Lasted from 1876 to 1879
and is believed to have killed 13 million people.

7) Indian Great Drought and Famine of 1876--78 This tragedy
that took the lives of as many as 10.3 million.

8) Russian Drought and Famine of 1921 It killed as many as 10
million.

9) Soviet Drought and Famine of 1932--33 Between seven and 10
million were killed

10) Great European Drought and Famine Creating the worst Drought
and Famine ever seen in Europe, the Great Drought and Famine
of 1315-1317, also known as the Great European Drought and
Famine, was actually a series of crises. The tragedy, that
killed an estimated 7.5 million people, was caused by
strange weather and unrelenting rains.

11) Bengal Drought and Famine of 1943 Killed between 1.4 and 4
million people

12) Chinese Drought and Famine of 1928--30 Killed an estimated
three million people over the three-year span.

13) Chinese Drought 1941 An estimated three million perished.

14) Vietnamese Drought and Famine of 1945 Overall, between
400,000 and two million perished as a result.

15) Bangladesh Drought and Famine of 1974 Estimates state
between 26,000 and one million perished in the disaster.

16) 1984--85 Drought and Famine in Ethiopia Killed an estimated
one million people in the region.

17) Horn of Africa Drought and Famine Over one million
reportedly died during that time in the areas of Ethiopia,
Sudan and Somalia.

18) Finnish Drought and Famine of 1866--68 Killed between 15 and
20 percent of the population in the area or roughly 150,000
people.

19) Great Irish Drought and Famine One million in fatalities and
another one million in residents who emigrated as a result.

[JTEM]

Post by Alan
Fossil fuel CO2 is outside of that equilibrium.

Again, and take notes this time: HUMAN BEINGS, as a result of
being alive --not being dead -- breath, and part of that
breathing is exhaling CO2. Since what your narrative pretends
is the start of Gwobull Warbling, the human population of this
earth has grown so much that we produce MORE THAN TWICE AS
MUCH CO2 just from breathing (more than TWICE AS MUCH ADDITIONAL
CO2) than what is claimed to have sparked your Gwobull Warbling.

Get it? Even just a little?

Unless you're pretending that there are so many more trees
now than in the 1800s that they absorb all the extra CO2 that
humans now produce, you have to murder about 7 billion people
to stop Gwobull Warbling.

That wouldn't even stop it, if your narrative is the least bit
true, but it would be a necessary step to reach "Net Zero."

[Paul Aubrin]

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by JTEM

Another big non-metabolic carbon dioxide production caused the
Permian extinction.

No it didn't.

You so stupid.

Temperatures drive carbon dioxide at every time scale :
Red curve : ocean temperature VARIATIONS low-pass filtered
Green curve : carbon dioxide VARIATIONS low-pass filtered.
Correlation (7 months differed) is quite good : R²=0.473

https://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadsst3sh/derivative/mean:12/mean:14/from:1958/normalise/plot/esrl-co2/derivative/mean:12/mean:14/scale:20/detrend:3/from:1958/normalise

[JTEM]

Post by Paul Aubrin

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by JTEM

Another big non-metabolic carbon dioxide production caused the
Permian extinction.

No it didn't.

You so stupid.

Red curve : ocean temperature VARIATIONS low-pass filtered
Green curve : carbon dioxide VARIATIONS low-pass filtered.
Correlation (7 months differed) is quite good : R²=0.473
https://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadsst3sh/derivative/mean:12/mean:14/
from:1958/normalise/plot/esrl-co2/derivative/mean:12/mean:14/scale:20/
detrend:3/from:1958/normalise

Before science was raped blind by the self imposed ruling elite,
no one doubted that the permian extinction was sparked by volcanic
activity. This would result in a lot of CO2 but the issue wasn't
CO2. If anything, sulfur -- a planet COOLER -- would have been
devastating.

[Alan]

Post by JTEM

An other big non-metabolic carbon dioxide production caused the
Permian extinction.

No it didn't.
And you can't simultaneously believe AND disbelieve your own
Gwobull Warbling "Science." Least not if you're mentally stable.
You insist that the science is bullshit, that NASA's claims are
fake news, AND that you believe their Gwobull Warbling narrative.
Yeah, you're pretty fucked up...
Our climate is NOT driven by CO2. Humanity would be much better
off with a WARMER (not cooler) earth. Current temperatures are
not outside of the earth's norms, not for an interglacial period
inside of an ice age.

Humanity might be better of in theory if SOME places were warmer, but...

...not every place.

...and there are complex effects we can't predict for certain.

What if certain ocean currents change? The Gulf Stream warms all of
Europe for instance.

[AlleyCat]

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 11:17:39 -0800, Alan says...

Post by Alan

Post by JTEM
Our climate is NOT driven by CO2. Humanity would be much better
off with a WARMER (not cooler) earth. Current temperatures are
not outside of the earth's norms, not for an interglacial period
inside of an ice age.

Humanity might be better of in theory if SOME places were warmer, but...

And they HAVE been warmer than now, IN those places where YOU don't think they should be, and we're still here.

Are you saying that the warm places now shouldn't, or the cold places, because of the ice and it maybe melting, raising sea levels?

WHAT was the CO² level when sea levels were this high?

Loading Image...

Less than now, chicken shit Chicken Little

Is the Arctic one of those places that "shouldn't" get warmer?

Stooopid... the Arctic has been ice free before. CO² didn't cause that.

The Sahara? Death Valley?

All have been warmer with LESS CO²

HAD to have been the Buffalo on the Continent of North America and the Wildebeests on Africa, burping and farting, huh?

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[JTEM]

Post by Alan
Humanity might be better of in theory if SOME places were warmer, but...
...not every place.

You have a very tiny mind but I'll try again:

There would be an "Adjust period" if the earth grew warmer.

There would be a period of adjustment if the earth grew colder.

AFTER THIS PERIOD OF ADJUSTMENT, humanity as a whole would be
significantly better off on a warmer earth.

Adjustment literally mean "Change" and they can be detrimental
to some, in the short term. Yes. But a colder earth means most
of humanity dies. Period.

The earth is not stagnant. Change is unavoidable. Unfortunately,
the change is going to be colder.

[[e-mail]]

The EV thing has been a GIGAbuck FUCK-UP fer sure.

Nobody wants them. Can't charge them. MASS money
spent on almost NO govt charge stations. Whole
industries disrupted and forced into wasting money
and resources ......

Typical 'liberal' thinking.

But fools KEEP voting for them ... maybe
there ought to be rehab clinics .....

[JTEM]

Post by ***@ud0s4.net
The EV thing has been a GIGAbuck FUCK-UP fer sure.
Nobody wants them. Can't charge them. MASS money
spent on almost NO govt charge stations. Whole
industries disrupted and forced into wasting money
and resources ......
Typical 'liberal' thinking.

Nobody is more closely associated with EVs right now than
Elon Musk, and he's chin-deep into the Trump camp.

It's a social program to the government -- pricing the
worthless plebs out of cars & driving -- but for the
near term future it's still a cash cow for the billionaire
class.

[Siri Cruise]

Post by ***@ud0s4.net
The EV thing has been a GIGAbuck FUCK-UP fer sure.
Nobody wants them. Can't charge them. MASS money
spent on almost NO govt charge stations. Whole
industries disrupted and forced into wasting money
and resources ......
Typical 'liberal' thinking.
But fools KEEP voting for them ... maybe
there ought to be rehab clinics .....

<https://www.energy.ca.gov/programs-and-topics/programs/clean-transportation-program/clean-transportation-funding-areas-1>

Through the Clean Transportation Program, formerly known as the
Alternative and Renewable Fuel and Vehicle Technology Program, the
California Energy Commission is supporting the adoption of
zero-emission hydrogen fuel cell electric cars by expanding
California’s network of hydrogen refueling stations throughout the
state. The Energy Commission is investing in an initial network of
100 public hydrogen stations across California to support the fuel
cell electric cars that are on the road now, and to encourage more
consumers to consider these zero-emission vehicles.

[JTEM]

Post by Siri Cruise
Through the Clean Transportation Program, formerly known as the
Alternative and Renewable Fuel and Vehicle Technology Program, the
California Energy Commission is supporting the adoption of zero-emission
hydrogen fuel cell electric cars by expanding California’s network of
hydrogen refueling stations throughout the state.

You do know that there's been a massive DROP in the number of promised
stations... right?

Toyota was selling their Hydrogen car at a MASSIVE loss, chiefly because
of the pathetic number of stations.

[Alan]

Post by AlleyCat
On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 10:20:07 -0800, Alan says...

Post by Alan
...and plants take CO2 OUT of the atmosphere.
Hence: zero sum.

So... NO warming from ANY animal eating, burping or farting.

Agreed.

So what?

Fossil fuels are UNBALANCED CO2 emissions.

[AlleyCat]

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 11:14:09 -0800, Alan says...

Post by Alan

Post by AlleyCat
So... NO warming from ANY animal eating, burping or farting.

Agreed.

Tell that to Bill Gates and the other world "leaders" including the faggot you have running YOUR country, that want to "Carbon Tax" we, the people
for cow burps and farts.

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World First: Tax On Burps, Manure & Emissions - Euro Weekly News

https://euroweeklynews.com/2024/11/29/world-first-tax-on-burps-manure-and-livestock-emissions/

Nov 29, 2024 - Denmark, famous for its innovative cuisine and sleek design, is making history with the world's first tax on livestock emissions.
Newsdesk: [phone]; Sales ... and this is never more accurate than when you establish yourself as a foreign resident in a new country, like
Spain. Being able

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Trudeau Targets Cow Burps And Your Ability To Afford Beef

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/trudeau-targets-cow-burps-and-your-ability-to-afford-beef

Dec 11, 2023 - At the United Nations COP28 meetings taking place in Dubai, the Trudeau government just announced plans to tackle climate change by
reducing emissions from cow burps and manure. It's the latest ...

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Canada Wants To Make Cows Burp Less To Fight Climate Change

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Dec 11, 2023 - Cutting methane emissions by making cows burp less is one of the strategies the federal government is going for in its climate change
fight.. Methane is a potent greenhouse gas that is produced ...

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Dec 2, 2024 - The measure to tax farmers for methane produced by their cows is a world's first for this type of tax. According to the government's
green transition minister, Jeppe Bruus, farmers should buy certain feed additives to reduce the number of cow burps or farts. By doing so, they can
then receive a

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THIS Is Why Chicken Shit Chicken Littles Screech About Climate And Weather And Global Warbling:

The UN Makes it Official: Global Warming Hysteria Is All About Redistributing Wealth

UN IPCC Official Admits 'We Redistribute World's Wealth By Climate Policy'

Global Study Reveals Wealth Redistribution From Blue-Carbon Ecosystems

Failed Climate Policies Are About Wealth Redistribution

"We Redistribute De Facto The World's Wealth By Climate Policy."

How Global Warming Has Made The Rich Richer
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20190502-how-global-warming-has-made-the-rich-richer

The U.N.'s Global Warming War On Capitalism: An Important History Lesson
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/01/22/the-u-n-s-global-warming-war-on-capitalism-an-important-history-lesson-2/?sh=4f89a2d429be

The Doha Wealth Redistribution Process Moves On
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"There is no doubt, that we need to have a complete transformation... the transformation of the economy, and that includes, of course, the private
sector."

A carbon tax will change NOTHING, other than the wealth of politicians and countries who beg us for money. THAT was the purpose of the Paris
Accord... the ONLY purpose.

Funny... when the government no longer pays for bogus money-grabbing data, the truth comes out.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."

"And we're like... the world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change..."

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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff recently admitted that the Green New Deal was not conceived as an effort to deal with climate change,
but instead a "how-do-you-change-the-entire economy thing" -- a remark likely to fuel Republican claims that the deal is nothing more than a thinly
veiled socialist takeover of the U.S. economy. "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all,"
Saikat Chakrabarti said in May, according to The Washington Post.

*****

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http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/diabolical-lie-called-climate-change-used-
un-promote-economic-agenda/

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"Unequal Distribution of Wealth and Power" Causes Climate Change
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/un-climate-summit-causes-of-
climate-change-unequal-distribution-of-wealth-and-power/

*****

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United Nations Official Admits the Purpose of the Global Warming Hoax is to Destroy Capitalism
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[AlleyCat]

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 11:14:09 -0800, Alan says...

Post by Alan
Fossil fuels are UNBALANCED CO2 emissions.

Are there fewer or more termites now, since we humans started building houses out of wood?

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Termite Gas Exceeds Smokestack Pollution - The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/10/31/us/termite-gas-exceeds-smokestack-pollution.html

Oct 31, 1982The new estimate for termites is 150 tons. A version of this article appears in print on , Section 1 , Page 25 of the National edition
with the headline: TERMITE GAS EXCEEDS SMOKESTACK POLLUTION .

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Termites Emit 2xs More Co2 Than Humans. Soil Emits 9xs More. Termite ...

https://iowaclimate.org/2018/12/17/termites-emit-2xs-more-co2-than-humans-soil-emits-9xs-more-termite-numbers-soil-area-are-growing/

o CO2 emissions from termites are more than double human emissions from fossil fuels. Image sources: New York Times, 1982, Zimmerman et al., 1982 o
Termite populations have been observed expanding rapidly in recent decades. Image Source: Grace, 2006 Image Source: Buczkowski and Bertelsmeier, 2017
o CO2 emissions from soil is 9 times greater than human CO2?

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A Century Of Human Detritus, Visualized - The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/27/science/biomass-garbage-construction.html

7 days ago - One figure widely quoted by pest control companies: There are 1,000 pounds of termites for every human on Earth. If you like big
numbers, the 2018 report is delicious reading.

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American Cities Face Mass Termite Invasion, Scientists Warn

https://www.newsweek.com/termites-invasive-species-climate-change-american-cities-1895995

May 1, 2024 - Stock image of termites. ISTOCK / GETTY IMAGES PLUS "A solitary termite colony, nestled within a small piece of wood, could
clandestinely voyage from the West Indies to your Cannes apartment.

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Termites Love Global Warming So Much That They May Make ... - Sciencealert

https://www.sciencealert.com/termites-love-global-warming-so-much-that-they-may-make-it-worse-says-study

To put this in context, termite activity meant wood blocks near tropical Darwin at the northern edge of Australia decayed more than ten times faster
than those in temperate Tasmania. Our analyses also showed termite consumption of the wood blocks was highest in warm areas with low to intermediate
mean annual rainfall.

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Global Impact Of Termites On The Carbon Cycle And ... - Springer

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-94-017-3223-9_19

Termites have high biomass in many tropical ecosystems and emit the greenhouse gases CO2 and CH4. They are also recognized as ecosystem engineers,
mediating decomposition and other aspects of soil function. ... Climate changes and land use intensification may cause minor modifications of the
overall distribution of termites, but a more serious ...

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How Much Methane Do Termites Emit? - Pestwhisperer.Com

https://pestwhisperer.com/termites/how-much-methane-do-termites-emit/

Termites are a major source of methane, one of the greenhouse gases, which traps 34-times more heat than carbon dioxide over a century. In recent
years, the contribution of termites to the global methane budget has increased significantly. ... we do not know how much methane termites emit, and
the long-term implications for the global warming ...

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Termites Emit More Greenhouse Gases Than Coal Plants

https://garydemar.com/termites-emit-greenhouse-gases-coal-plants/

Termites Emit More Greenhouse Gases than Coal Plants Gary DeMar 2014-12-24. 24 Dec 2014 Gary DeMar. Total ...

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Termites Emit 2xs More Co2 Than Humans. Soil Emits 9xs More. Termite ...

https://notrickszone.com/2018/12/17/termites-emit-2xs-more-co2-than-humans-soil-emits-9xs-more-termite-numbers-soil-area-are-growing/

More termites, more termite wars. I did not know termites were warriors too. the termite overshoot has happened, now termites move to invade new
digs. Nature at work in the termite world increases carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, humans are blamed and then become the victims. That's the way
it goes moving west. Life is not fair.

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Firearms-Related Homicides: Democratic vs. Republican Affiliation

THIS IS AN OLD ARTICLE, SO DEMOCRAT GUN CRIME IS MANY TIMES WORSE NOW.

By: Robert Farago

TTAG reader RN writes:

Gun control is a huge American political issue right now (especially right after the mass shooting in Orlando, Florida). Democrats are all about
infringing on Second Amendment rights because of school shootings, gun-related homicides, firearm deaths, and crime rates.

They claim that Republicans and NRA members are mainly responsible for "gun violence", (even when it's DEMOCRATS doing most of the shooting and
klil;ling) and are the reason why "common sense gun reform" laws need to be enacted to restrict firearm ownership.

Like everyone else on TTAG, I had my doubts about their gun deaths claims and decided to crunch some numbers to see which political party's members
commit more firearms murders in the United States.

I began by finding the most recent number of firearms murders (strictly murders, this doesn't include suicides or justifiable homicides).

The .gov source I used: the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention WISQARS website. I chose the most recent year they had available (2014).
According to the CDC, there were 10,945 murders involving firearms in 2014.

Next, I needed to find an accurate source for murder rates by race. This violent crime stat needs to be broken down by race because each race will
have different murder rates and voting rates, which is important for getting an final product based on political affiliation. The source I used was
the US Department of Justice's homicide report published in 2011. The information contained in this report was averaged from 1980 to 2008. Here are
the murder rates that can be found on the third page of the report:

52.5% were black perpetrators

45.3% were white perpetrators

2.2% were perpetrators of other races

Lastly, I needed to find the political affiliation for these races. The source I used was Cornell University. I chose to use information from the
last presidential election (2012). Here are the voting rates for the Democrats broken down by race:

93% of blacks voted Democrat

39% of whites voted Democrat

67% of everyone else (average of all races other than black/white) voted Democrat

With numbers in hand, I began my calculations. First up was calculating the number of firearms murders by race. There are a few assumptions in this
calculation. For on thing, it assumes that the murder rate from the 1980 to 2008 time period is somewhat correct for 2014 (the year I'm using for
firearm murders). It also assumes that there is a 1:1 victim to perpetrator ratio (we all know that this isn't always true, i.e. mass murders by one
perpetrator, but this is the easiest way to compute this information). Here are my calculations for 2014 firearm murders by race:

5,746.12 firearms murders by blacks (10,945 x.525)

[Siri Cruise]

Post by AlleyCat
Termite Gas Exceeds Smokestack Pollution - The New York Times

Termites synthesise carbon?

[JTEM]

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by AlleyCat
Termite Gas Exceeds Smokestack Pollution - The New York Times

Termites synthesise carbon?

There is no possible answer that alters the fact that termites
emit carbon.

Moron.

[Siri Cruise]

Post by JTEM

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by AlleyCat
Termite Gas Exceeds Smokestack Pollution - The New York Times

Termites synthesise carbon?

There is no possible answer that alters the fact that termites
emit carbon.
Moron.

You are saying they get the carbon by fusing helium.

[AlleyCat]

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 15:46:19 -0800, Siri Cruise says...

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by JTEM

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by AlleyCat
Termite Gas Exceeds Smokestack Pollution - The New York Times

Termites synthesise carbon?

There is no possible answer that alters the fact that termites
emit carbon.
Moron.

You are saying they get the carbon by fusing helium.

WHO said termites "get the carbon" by "fusing" anything?

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Vostok At -40c (Again)

The Truth About Iceberg A-68

Extreme Cold And Heavy Snow Slam Finland

Europe Wind Power A "Shit Situation," Says Minister

Winter Weather Grips U.S.

India Reels

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Snow Hits Malaga, Spain

Cold Wave Sweeps Pakistan

Canadian Prairies Near -40c

Texans Warned Of "Extreme Cold"

Antarctic Sea Ice Nearing 1979-1990 Average

"Excellent" Early-Season Snow Across The Alps

Delhi's Record Cold

Chilly Waters Stun Record Number Of Turtles

Record Cold Grips Indore

Asia Chills

Record Snowfall In Midwest

Another Round Of Arctic Air To Hit Much Of North America

Mumbai's Lowest Temp In A Decade

Northern Hemisphere Cold

Russia In The Freezer

India Chills

Northern India's Big Freeze Intensifies

Cold Wave Enters Vietnam

Freezing Lows And Heavy Snows Hit U.S., More To Come

Kashmir Freezes At -18c (-0.4f)

Below Average Antarctic Plateau

Another Round Of Lake-Effect Snow

Cold Waves Lifting Natural Gas Prices

Snow Returns To Scotland And Wider Europe

Global Temperature Tumbles

Antarctic Sea Ice Recovery

Severe Cold Hits Pakistan

Florida Set For Record Cold

Snowy November At Red Mountain

U.S. Battered By Cold And Record Snow

Parts Of Ontario Under A Meter Of Snow

Early-December To Deliver Another Burial To Europe

[Mitchell Holman]

Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 15:46:19 -0800, Siri Cruise says...

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by JTEM

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by AlleyCat
Termite Gas Exceeds Smokestack Pollution - The New York Times

Termites synthesise carbon?

There is no possible answer that alters the fact that termites
emit carbon.
Moron.

You are saying they get the carbon by fusing helium.

WHO said termites "get the carbon" by "fusing" anything?
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Dallas Lake Freezes Over

A lie.

A proven lie.

Your ADMITTED lie.

[AlleyCat]

can.politics, alt.politics.liberalism, alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

Restored.

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On Sat, 04 Jan 2025 02:51:26 +0000, Pussy Baby says...

Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 15:46:19 -0800, Siri Cruise says...

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by JTEM

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by AlleyCat
Termite Gas Exceeds Smokestack Pollution - The New York Times

Termites synthesise carbon?

There is no possible answer that alters the fact that termites
emit carbon.
Moron.

You are saying they get the carbon by fusing helium.

WHO said termites "get the carbon" by "fusing" anything?
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Dallas Lake Freezes Over

An accident.

Jes.

A proven accident.

Jes.

Your ADMITTED accident.

Jes.

Pussy little baby whines like a bitch.

=====

Sorry. THIS is what was meant. Not Dallas.


Dal Lake Freezes in Srinagar as Temperature Drops to Minus 6 Degrees Celsius During Chillai Kalan

The surface of Dal Lake in Srinagar has frozen as a cold wave impacts the region, with temperatures recorded at minus 6 degrees Celsius. This weather
phenomenon is part of the ongoing winter season in Jammu and Kashmir, known locally as Chillai Kalan, which typically brings the coldest conditions
of the year. Reports indicate that the freezing of Dal Lake is a notable event for the area, drawing attention to the severe winter conditions
affecting the region.

I originally copied it as "Dal Lake".

Loading Image...

Damn spell-checker changed it to "Dallas Lake".

LOL

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Cattle Futures Hit Record High Amid Looming Arctic Blast

Three-Day Snow Warning For UK

Extreme Snowfall Paralyzes Northern Norway

Siberia Nears -60c (-76f)

Record Snows For Uttarakhand

"Dangerous Cold"

Snow Reaches Athens

Delhi Plunges

U.S. To Freeze

Arctic Ice Up 26%

Dal Lake Freezes Over




Extreme Snow Roundup

Antarctic Sea Ice Recovering Quite Nicely, Thank You

Murcia's Record Lows

Red Alert In Bidar Amid India's Cold Wave

Italian Alps Hit -31.1c (-24f)

U.S. Cold-Deaths Double Since 1999-The Establishment Blames Global Warming

Japan's Record-Breaking Snowfall

BBC Still Pushing Polar Bear Propaganda

White Christmas For Europe

Bengaluru's Record Cold

Xinjiang Plummets To Record -42.5c

Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Higher Now Than In 1979

Bhopal Breaks 58-Year Record

Vostok At -40c (Again)

The Truth About Iceberg A-68

Extreme Cold And Heavy Snow Slam Finland

Europe Wind Power A "Shit Situation," Says Minister

Winter Weather Grips U.S.

India Reels

Vostok Below -40c

Snow Hits Malaga, Spain

Cold Wave Sweeps Pakistan

Canadian Prairies Near -40c

Texans Warned Of "Extreme Cold"

Antarctic Sea Ice Nearing 1979-1990 Average

"Excellent" Early-Season Snow Across The Alps

Delhi's Record Cold

Chilly Waters Stun Record Number Of Turtles

Record Cold Grips Indore

Asia Chills

Record Snowfall In Midwest

Another Round Of Arctic Air To Hit Much Of North America

Mumbai's Lowest Temp In A Decade

Northern Hemisphere Cold

Russia In The Freezer

India Chills

Northern India's Big Freeze Intensifies

Cold Wave Enters Vietnam

Freezing Lows And Heavy Snows Hit U.S., More To Come

Kashmir Freezes At -18c (-0.4f)

Below Average Antarctic Plateau

Another Round Of Lake-Effect Snow

Cold Waves Lifting Natural Gas Prices

Snow Returns To Scotland And Wider Europe

Global Temperature Tumbles

Antarctic Sea Ice Recovery

Severe Cold Hits Pakistan

Florida Set For Record Cold

Snowy November At Red Mountain

U.S. Battered By Cold And Record Snow

Parts Of Ontario Under A Meter Of Snow

Early-December To Deliver Another Burial To Europe

[AlleyCat]

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 14:23:03 -0800, Siri Cruise says...

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by AlleyCat
Termite Gas Exceeds Smokestack Pollution - The New York Times

Termites synthesise carbon?

Jes... they synthesiZe carbon through what they do, drunk-ass nerd.

Next time, READ the fucking articles.

"(R)esearchers report that termites, DIGESTING VEGETABLE MATTER on a global basis, PRODUCE MORE THAN TWICE AS MUCH CARBON DIOXIDE as all the world's
smokestacks."

"Termite GAS PRODUCTION has become particularly high, the researchers say, because widespread CLEARING OF LAND HAS OFFERED THEM ABUNDANT FOOD in the
debris of felled forests. BY DIGESTING THIS DEBRIS, they are adding not only carbon dioxide but also methane to the atmosphere."

*

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Record Snow In Japan

Parts Of Morocco See Snow For First Time In 50 Years

Cattle Futures Hit Record High Amid Looming Arctic Blast

Three-Day Snow Warning For UK

Extreme Snowfall Paralyzes Northern Norway

Siberia Nears -60c (-76f)

Record Snows For Uttarakhand

"Dangerous Cold"

Snow Reaches Athens

Delhi Plunges

U.S. To Freeze

Arctic Ice Up 26%

Dal Lake Freezes Over

Extreme Snow Roundup

Antarctic Sea Ice Recovering Quite Nicely, Thank You

Murcia's Record Lows

Red Alert In Bidar Amid India's Cold Wave

Italian Alps Hit -31.1c (-24f)

U.S. Cold-Deaths Double Since 1999-The Establishment Blames Global Warming

Japan's Record-Breaking Snowfall

BBC Still Pushing Polar Bear Propaganda

White Christmas For Europe

Bengaluru's Record Cold

Xinjiang Plummets To Record -42.5c

Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Higher Now Than In 1979

Bhopal Breaks 58-Year Record

Vostok At -40c (Again)

The Truth About Iceberg A-68

Extreme Cold And Heavy Snow Slam Finland

Europe Wind Power A "Shit Situation," Says Minister

Winter Weather Grips U.S.

India Reels

Vostok Below -40c

Snow Hits Malaga, Spain

Cold Wave Sweeps Pakistan

Canadian Prairies Near -40c

Texans Warned Of "Extreme Cold"

Antarctic Sea Ice Nearing 1979-1990 Average

"Excellent" Early-Season Snow Across The Alps

Delhi's Record Cold

Chilly Waters Stun Record Number Of Turtles

Record Cold Grips Indore

Asia Chills

Record Snowfall In Midwest

Another Round Of Arctic Air To Hit Much Of North America

Mumbai's Lowest Temp In A Decade

Northern Hemisphere Cold

Russia In The Freezer

India Chills

Northern India's Big Freeze Intensifies

Cold Wave Enters Vietnam

Freezing Lows And Heavy Snows Hit U.S., More To Come

Kashmir Freezes At -18c (-0.4f)

Below Average Antarctic Plateau

Another Round Of Lake-Effect Snow

Cold Waves Lifting Natural Gas Prices

Snow Returns To Scotland And Wider Europe

Global Temperature Tumbles

Antarctic Sea Ice Recovery

Severe Cold Hits Pakistan

Florida Set For Record Cold

Snowy November At Red Mountain

U.S. Battered By Cold And Record Snow

Parts Of Ontario Under A Meter Of Snow

Early-December To Deliver Another Burial To Europe

[Mitchell Holman]

Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 14:23:03 -0800, Siri Cruise says...

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by AlleyCat
Termite Gas Exceeds Smokestack Pollution - The New York Times

Termites synthesise carbon?

Jes... they synthesiZe carbon through what they do, drunk-ass nerd.
Next time, READ the fucking articles.
"(R)esearchers report that termites, DIGESTING VEGETABLE MATTER on a
global basis, PRODUCE MORE THAN TWICE AS MUCH CARBON DIOXIDE as all
the world's smokestacks."
"Termite GAS PRODUCTION has become particularly high, the researchers
say, because widespread CLEARING OF LAND HAS OFFERED THEM ABUNDANT
FOOD in the debris of felled forests. BY DIGESTING THIS DEBRIS, they
are adding not only carbon dioxide but also methane to the
atmosphere."
*
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Arctic Ice Up 26%

Another one of your lies.



Arctic Sea Ice Near Historic Low
SEP 24, 2024
https://www.nasa.gov/earth/arctic-sea-ice-near-historic-low-antarctic-
ice-continues-decline/


Record Low Arctic Sea Ice Extent
Mid-December 2024
https://alaskaclimate.substack.com/p/record-low-arctic-sea-ice-extent

[AlleyCat]

can.politics, alt.politics.liberalism, alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

Restored

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On Sat, 04 Jan 2025 03:02:47 +0000, Mitchell Holman says...

Post by Mitchell Holman
SEP 24, 2024

LOL

Post by Mitchell Holman
substack.com

LOL

ANYTHING I post is not as much of "lies" as these.

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1860243223232368640/vid/avc1/854x480/lL4k1ZXShoPpEWbR.mp4?tag=14

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSUmSFOUMAAS902?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSbOt3eV4AE433A?format=jpg&name=small

John Kerry in 2009: "In 5 years we will have the first ice free Arctic summer"
https://x.com/i/status/1706402631395221994

The day Al Gore was born there were 130,000 glaciers on Earth. Today, only 130,000 remain.

When Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2008 (for his science fiction film), he predicted that the Arctic would be ice free as early as the summer
of 2014. Here is his prediction overlaid with the actual data.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWOvGEtXUAIop-s?format=jpg&name=large

Al Gore said in 2006 that polar bears were drowning because the ice caps were melting. His prediction was by 2012, there would be no polar ice cap.
There were 8,000 polar bears then.

Now there are 28,500 polar bears. Fat, healthy polar bears.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXDtA_jV4AAx2zp?format=jpg&name=small

=====

Not the narrative:

June 2023 Arctic sea ice extent about the same as June 2006... despite ~800 billion tons of emissions representing a 41% increase in industrial era
CO2.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fy3fZ8aWIAAZUPs?format=png&name=900x900

Emissions-driven warming is a hoax.

https://realclimatescience.com/2023/06/arctic-sea-ice-under-threat/

=====

Alarmists love to predict "ice-free summers" in the Arctic. Despite 6 months 24/7 sunshine it doesn't come close. They never show winter ice cover in
the Arctic which peaks in March after 6 months with no sunshine.
March 2023, not one square inch ice-free, + Hudson Bay etc.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvXuw85XwAU_lnX?format=jpg&name=large

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Earth is now entering its 19th consecutive year with no trend in minimum, mean or maximum Arctic sea ice extent. How long will they be able to keep
the Arctic melting scam going?

https://noaadata.apps.nsidc.org/NOAA/G02135/north/daily/data/N_seaice_extent_daily_v3.0.csv

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GgPHNBAaAAA6g9S?format=png&name=large

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Why would Arctic sea ice grow for the past 4 years during global warming?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRiEjRnb0AA0MxY?format=jpg&name=medium

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This animation shows June 1 Arctic sea ice coverage for the past 30 years. There is nothing interesting going on, yet #ClimateScam professionals and
faggot Usenet trolls want you to be frightened.

https://x.com/i/status/1797248477673693367

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December:

Thailand Freezes

Record Snow In Japan

Parts Of Morocco See Snow For First Time In 50 Years

Cattle Futures Hit Record High Amid Looming Arctic Blast

Three-Day Snow Warning For UK

Extreme Snowfall Paralyzes Northern Norway

Siberia Nears -60c (-76f)

Record Snows For Uttarakhand

"Dangerous Cold"

Snow Reaches Athens

Delhi Plunges

U.S. To Freeze

Arctic Ice Up 26%

Dal Lake Freezes Over

Extreme Snow Roundup

Antarctic Sea Ice Recovering Quite Nicely, Thank You

Murcia's Record Lows

Red Alert In Bidar Amid India's Cold Wave

Italian Alps Hit -31.1c (-24f)

U.S. Cold-Deaths Double Since 1999-The Establishment Blames Global Warming

Japan's Record-Breaking Snowfall

BBC Still Pushing Polar Bear Propaganda

White Christmas For Europe

Bengaluru's Record Cold

Xinjiang Plummets To Record -42.5c

Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Higher Now Than In 1979

Bhopal Breaks 58-Year Record

Vostok At -40c (Again)

The Truth About Iceberg A-68

Extreme Cold And Heavy Snow Slam Finland

Europe Wind Power A "Shit Situation," Says Minister

Winter Weather Grips U.S.

India Reels

Vostok Below -40c

Snow Hits Malaga, Spain

Cold Wave Sweeps Pakistan

Canadian Prairies Near -40c

Texans Warned Of "Extreme Cold"

Antarctic Sea Ice Nearing 1979-1990 Average

"Excellent" Early-Season Snow Across The Alps

Delhi's Record Cold

Chilly Waters Stun Record Number Of Turtles

Record Cold Grips Indore

Asia Chills

Record Snowfall In Midwest

Another Round Of Arctic Air To Hit Much Of North America

Mumbai's Lowest Temp In A Decade

Northern Hemisphere Cold

Russia In The Freezer

India Chills

Northern India's Big Freeze Intensifies

Cold Wave Enters Vietnam

Freezing Lows And Heavy Snows Hit U.S., More To Come

Kashmir Freezes At -18c (-0.4f)

Below Average Antarctic Plateau

Another Round Of Lake-Effect Snow

Cold Waves Lifting Natural Gas Prices

Snow Returns To Scotland And Wider Europe

Global Temperature Tumbles

Antarctic Sea Ice Recovery

Severe Cold Hits Pakistan

Florida Set For Record Cold

Snowy November At Red Mountain

U.S. Battered By Cold And Record Snow

Parts Of Ontario Under A Meter Of Snow

Early-December To Deliver Another Burial To Europe

[Mitchell Holman]

Post by AlleyCat
can.politics, alt.politics.liberalism, alt.politics.democrats,
alt.politics.usa.republican
Restored
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On Sat, 04 Jan 2025 03:02:47 +0000, Mitchell Holman says...

Post by Mitchell Holman
SEP 24, 2024

LOL

Post by Mitchell Holman
substack.com
Arctic Ice Up 26%

Another one of your lies.



Arctic Sea Ice Near Historic Low
SEP 24, 2024
https://www.nasa.gov/earth/arctic-sea-ice-near-historic-low-antarctic-
ice-continues-decline/


Record Low Arctic Sea Ice Extent
Mid-December 2024
https://alaskaclimate.substack.com/p/record-low-arctic-sea-ice-extent




Dallas frozen lakes!

.....a proven lie

Arctic Ice up 26%!

.....a proven lie.


Why do you lie so much?

Post by AlleyCat
LOL
ANYTHING I post is not as much of "lies" as these.

Deflection from your posted claims noted.

[pothead]

Post by JTEM

Post by pothead
I don't have a problem with EVs but rather with mandates attacking fossil fuels and ICE cars forcing
people at some point into EVs. Like CA is doing for example.
I also am against government rebates for buying an EV.

If they had mandated an NG pump at every gas station the air
quality in all our most crowded cities would already be
improved, and our "CO2" emissions would be lower.
People want to do the right thing. People care. But EVs are
not a replacement for gasoline powered cars.

Nor is renewable green energy a replacement for fossil fuels and nuclear.
Ask EU about that one.

Post by JTEM
On one tank of gas we could go from Boston to Fort Lee NJ,
down to Hoboken and then back to Boston (in heavy traffic)
with a stop off the highway in Connecticut for a steamed
cheeseburger.
Yeah. They're weird in Connecticut. Steamed burgers are a
thing there...

Yep. CT is a strange state.
I call it "the construction state" because it seems road construction goes on
for years and never ends.
Hate that place.
Hoboken is kind of cool.
Has a West village (NYC) feel about it.

Post by JTEM
It was an over 400 mile round trip.

Yep.

Post by JTEM
We did this on Thursday: A 13 hour, three state tour,
though we took the subway into Manhattan for a few hours
while the car sat in Hoboken..

Best way.
Park the car in NJ and take the Path train into Manhattan.

Post by JTEM
Still. Try that with any EV.

No can do unless you want to spend a good amount of time
sitting at charging stations wasting money on junk food trying to
pass the time away.

Post by JTEM
Lithium is also a mind altering element. It's used to
treat some pretty hefty disorders, like schizoaffective
disorder, and ALREADY areas with naturally elevated
traces of lithium in their water show a change to the
human population -- they're more docile. Violent crimes
and suicides drop. And it sounds like a good thing but
it's making normal people more docile, too. Now image
all the lithium they're mining, concentrating and driving
all over the country...

Highly toxic.
When I was studying to become and engineer we used to
toss little chunks of Lithium or even better sodium into a beaker
of water and watch the reaction.

Post by JTEM
It's water soluble, impossible to keep out of the water
supply.

Correct.

Post by JTEM
There's vastly tighter controls on mercury and it's already
a problem.

Highly toxic.
The greeniacs don't speak of the kids and indigenous people being
exploited to mine this crap.

[NoBody]

Post by JTEM

Post by pothead
I don't have a problem with EVs but rather with mandates attacking fossil fuels and ICE cars forcing
people at some point into EVs. Like CA is doing for example.
I also am against government rebates for buying an EV.

If they had mandated an NG pump at every gas station the air
quality in all our most crowded cities would already be
improved, and our "CO2" emissions would be lower.
People want to do the right thing. People care. But EVs are
not a replacement for gasoline powered cars.
On one tank of gas we could go from Boston to Fort Lee NJ,
down to Hoboken and then back to Boston (in heavy traffic)
with a stop off the highway in Connecticut for a steamed
cheeseburger.
Yeah. They're weird in Connecticut. Steamed burgers are a
thing there...
It was an over 400 mile round trip.
We did this on Thursday: A 13 hour, three state tour,
though we took the subway into Manhattan for a few hours
while the car sat in Hoboken..
Still. Try that with any EV.
Lithium is also a mind altering element. It's used to
treat some pretty hefty disorders, like schizoaffective
disorder, and ALREADY areas with naturally elevated
traces of lithium in their water show a change to the
human population -- they're more docile. Violent crimes
and suicides drop. And it sounds like a good thing but
it's making normal people more docile, too. Now image
all the lithium they're mining, concentrating and driving
all over the country...
It's water soluble, impossible to keep out of the water
supply.
There's vastly tighter controls on mercury and it's already
a problem.

You have to remember that the same people who support EV's are the
ones who wanted to keep us all locked down with endless Covid
boosters.

[JTEM]

Post by NoBody

Post by JTEM

Post by pothead
I don't have a problem with EVs but rather with mandates attacking fossil fuels and ICE cars forcing
people at some point into EVs. Like CA is doing for example.
I also am against government rebates for buying an EV.

If they had mandated an NG pump at every gas station the air
quality in all our most crowded cities would already be
improved, and our "CO2" emissions would be lower.
People want to do the right thing. People care. But EVs are
not a replacement for gasoline powered cars.
On one tank of gas we could go from Boston to Fort Lee NJ,
down to Hoboken and then back to Boston (in heavy traffic)
with a stop off the highway in Connecticut for a steamed
cheeseburger.
Yeah. They're weird in Connecticut. Steamed burgers are a
thing there...
It was an over 400 mile round trip.
We did this on Thursday: A 13 hour, three state tour,
though we took the subway into Manhattan for a few hours
while the car sat in Hoboken..
Still. Try that with any EV.
Lithium is also a mind altering element. It's used to
treat some pretty hefty disorders, like schizoaffective
disorder, and ALREADY areas with naturally elevated
traces of lithium in their water show a change to the
human population -- they're more docile. Violent crimes
and suicides drop. And it sounds like a good thing but
it's making normal people more docile, too. Now image
all the lithium they're mining, concentrating and driving
all over the country...
It's water soluble, impossible to keep out of the water
supply.
There's vastly tighter controls on mercury and it's already
a problem.

You have to remember that the same people who support EV's are the
ones who wanted to keep us all locked down with endless Covid
boosters.

So here's a solution: Next they come out with a vaccine against
"Climate Change." They tell everyone they need two jabs plus 16
boosters and then they'll be secure against climate change, unless
they go less than six feet from anyone who was also vaccinated or
not. But if they can avoid that, and keep getting those boosters,
they will be completely shielded against climate change!

Now everyone is happy!

[Siri Cruise]

Post by JTEM

Post by NoBody

Post by JTEM
If they had mandated an NG pump at every gas station the air
quality in all our most crowded cities would already be
improved, and our "CO2" emissions would be lower.

If NG means natural gas, natural gas oxidation still produces NOX
and SOX. Due to our geography and ocean currents, these get
trapped in the air where they turn into acid when inhaled.
Everybody's lungs are burned, especially children. The poison
concentrations are bad in Republican parts of the state. You want
to poison Republican children. Mean old Democrats are trying to
save them.

Post by JTEM

Post by NoBody

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People want to do the right thing. People care. But EVs are
not a replacement for gasoline powered cars.

They soon will be.

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On one tank of gas we could go from Boston to Fort Lee NJ,

The Sierra Nevada, Cascades, and Tehachapi help keep your poisons
out of our air. Poison your children if it is too much a bother to
shoot them. We value our children.

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Lithium is also a mind altering element. It's used to

And work continues on non-lithium batteries. Or get a fuel cell car.

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There's vastly tighter controls on mercury and it's already
a problem.

I grew up near Almaden Valley.

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You have to remember that the same people who support EV's are the
ones who wanted to keep us all locked down with endless Covid
boosters.

Maybe you need a tad more lithium.

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not. But if they can avoid that, and keep getting those boosters,
they will be completely shielded against climate change!
Now everyone is happy!

Except children inhaling NOX and SOX.

[JTEM]

If NG means natural gas, natural gas oxidation still produces NOX and
SOX.

You mean they have to employ emissions controls exactly like
they're already doing?

Wow that's shocking... the fact that you say such retarded things
is shocking. You must know by now that you're only ever going to
get your nose rubbed in it.

Yes, without proper emissions controls there are and always have
been harmful emissions. Always.

[Alan]

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I don't have a problem with EVs but rather with mandates attacking fossil fuels and ICE cars forcing
people at some point into EVs. Like CA is doing for example.
I also am against government rebates for buying an EV.

If they had mandated an NG pump at every gas station the air
quality in all our most crowded cities would already be
improved, and our "CO2" emissions would be lower.
People want to do the right thing. People care. But EVs are
not a replacement for gasoline powered cars.
On one tank of gas we could go from Boston to Fort Lee NJ,
down to Hoboken and then back to Boston (in heavy traffic)
with a stop off the highway in Connecticut for a steamed
cheeseburger.
Yeah. They're weird in Connecticut. Steamed burgers are a
thing there...
It was an over 400 mile round trip.
We did this on Thursday: A 13 hour, three state tour,
though we took the subway into Manhattan for a few hours
while the car sat in Hoboken..
Still. Try that with any EV.
Lithium is also a mind altering element. It's used to
treat some pretty hefty disorders, like schizoaffective
disorder, and ALREADY areas with naturally elevated
traces of lithium in their water show a change to the
human population -- they're more docile. Violent crimes
and suicides drop. And it sounds like a good thing but
it's making normal people more docile, too. Now image
all the lithium they're mining, concentrating and driving
all over the country...
It's water soluble, impossible to keep out of the water
supply.
There's vastly tighter controls on mercury and it's already
a problem.

You have to remember that the same people who support EV's are the
ones who wanted to keep us all locked down with endless Covid
boosters.

Were they injecting microchips in those shots?

Do you believe in 5G mind control too?

Flat earth?

LOL!

[JTEM]

Post by Alan
Were they injecting microchips in those shots?
Do you believe in 5G mind control too?
Flat earth?
LOL!

So you believe you're "Arguing" against the notion that the
EV crowd did not favor CoronaPanic, experimental vaccines
and lockdowns? How's that going? Did you win?

[JTEM]

[...]

Everything you say is only slightly more embarrassing than
giving off a loud fart in a crowded elevator.

Only kidding. You're idiocy is a lot more embarrassing...

[Alan]

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Were they injecting microchips in those shots?
Do you believe in 5G mind control too?
Flat earth?
LOL!

So you believe you're "Arguing" against the notion that the
EV crowd did not favor CoronaPanic, experimental vaccines
and lockdowns?  How's that going? Did you win?

There is now one "crowd" that believes everything in lockstep.

No one favored the "CoronaPanic". There was a global pandemic and people
and governments did their best to mitigate its effects; at least in most
places.

The vaccines were developed and test along lines that had already been
tested. mRNA treatment was already well understood.

And how it all went depended very much on where you lived.

In the USA, 1,219,487 people died due to COVID-19. That's 3,642 for
every million people. Only 13 countries in the world did worse.

In Canada, 59,034 people died; just 1,538 per million. 79th on the list
overall.

To further drive the point home, you can find studies and charts that
show that the more a county voted for Trump and the Republican party,
the more people died.

Here's one:

'Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates.
Misinformation is to blame

Since May 2021, people living in counties that voted heavily for Donald
Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times
as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for
now-President Biden. That's according to a new analysis by NPR that
examines how political polarization and misinformation are driving a
significant share of the deaths in the pandemic.

NPR looked at deaths per 100,000 people in roughly 3,000 counties across
the U.S. from May 2021, the point at which vaccinations widely became
available. People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump
in November 2020 had 2.73 times the death rates of those that went for
Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw
higher COVID-19 mortality rates.'

<https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate>

Be sure to check out the scatter charts down the page.

And yes: I personally "won" because I got vaccinated (and boosted), and
while I got COVID-19, it passed for me with literally NO symptoms.

If you didn't get vaccinated and you didn't get it or die from it...

...great.

A whole LOT of people in your country weren't so lucky.

[JTEM]

Post by Alan
There is now one "crowd" that believes everything in lockstep.
No one favored the "CoronaPanic". There was a global pandemic and people
and governments did their best to mitigate its effects; at least in most
places.

March 19, 2020:

https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/745376505213943808

Me in May of 2020:

https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/750428952216109056

Some of us think critically. Question. Apply past lessons learned. And
then others are morons like you, pretending that reality is created
anew with each passing second.

My whole life I learned history, paleo anthropology and science. And
nothing passing itself off as "Climate Science" is real.

[AlleyCat]

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 18:45:48 -0500, JTEM says...

Post by JTEM
morons like you, pretending that reality is created
anew with each passing second.

Ski Bunny's not here to refute anything... he's here to quench his thirst to be known as the smartest nerd in the room, because of his low-self-
esteem.

He's trying to cope with his life not being what he wants it to be, by trying to make others look dumb, so he can make HIMSELF look smart and feel
better about himself.

He's over-compensating for things he probably doesn't want to talk about.

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Compensation And Defense Mechanisms

Compensation is a psychological defense mechanism when a person tries to "make up for" a perceived area of weakness in their life.

Compensation is a type of defense mechanism in which people overachieve in one area of their lives to compensate for failures in another. For
example, people with difficult family lives may direct their energy toward excelling at work.

As a psychological strategy, people use compensation to cover up their inadequacies, frustrations, stresses, or urges.1 While it can sometimes be
beneficial, compensation can cause problems when overused or misapplied.

Let's go over how people use compensation as a defense mechanism and look at the positive and negative effects of the strategy.


What Are Defense Mechanisms?

Defense mechanisms are unconscious responses that protect people from feelings of anxiety or threats to their sense of self. Sigmund Freud first
described these defenses as part of his personality theory. His daughter, Anna Freud, later did more work on psychological defense mechanisms.

Psychologist Alfred Adler was the first to describe compensation.2 Adler suggested that compensation as a defense mechanism could help people cope
with feelings of inferiority, and could have positive or negative effects.3

For example, a person may compensate for struggles in their relationships by becoming highly skilled in their work. A negative effect of this
strategy could be that they work and overachieve to the detriment of their health and well-being.


What to Know About Defense Mechanisms

What Is Compensation?

Compensation means excelling in one area to make up for real or perceived deficits in another. Compensation is often used synonymously with
"overcompensation," but overcompensation suggests that a person is going far beyond what is necessary to "make up" for a deficiency.

The term "compensation" is frequently used in everyday language. For example, people may say that someone is "just overcompensating" to imply that a
person is overworking in one area of their life to hide insecurities about other aspects of it.

In some cases, compensation is a conscious choice. For example, if you know you have poor public speaking skills, you might try to compensate for
those weaknesses by excelling in your written communications at work. When you compensate for a lesser ability, you minimize it by drawing attention
to stronger skills.

However, compensation can also be unconscious. Your feelings of inadequacy can be hidden and may drive you to try to compensate for them.


Intelligence
A Usenet user feels like they are not as smart as their peers because they struggle in knowing science. They over-compensate by doing everything they
can to try and make others feel less than they are, so he can feel MORE than he is.

Pros of over-compensation:

Focuses on strengths

Encourages growth

Fosters stronger self-esteem

Boosts self-image

Reinforces the benefits of confronting challenges



Cons of over-compensation:

Leads to discouragement (LOL)

Causes stress in relationships

Reduces motivation

Promotes unhelpful coping skills

Inhibits growth


Pros

Adler suggested that when people experience feelings of inferiority, they automatically feel a compensatory need to strive for superiority. As a
result, people will push themselves to overcome their weaknesses and achieve their goals. This drive can lead to several positive effects, such as:1

Motivation: People who feel insecure in certain areas of their lives may feel motivated to succeed in others.

Self-image: People who focus their attention and effort on their strengths may have a better sense of self.

Self-development: People who feel insecure or inferior can become motivated to develop new skills, either in the areas where they feel they are weak
or in areas where they are already strong.

Imagine that you just began taking a dance-based exercise class. At first, you feel out of your element and even a little intimidated because
everyone else seems so skilled and experienced.



Given your initial feelings of inferiority, you may start practicing yoga at home to improve your flexibility, which you hope will help with your
dancing. The urge to overcome your feelings of inferiority drives you to develop new skills and stick to a workout routine that you end up really
enjoying.



Compensation is considered a mature defense mechanism. Mature defense mechanisms tend to be the most helpful, but they need to be used effectively to
be beneficial.8

How Is Projection a Defense Mechanism?

Cons

Compensation can prevent people from trying new things or addressing their shortcomings. For example, imagine that a young college student
experiences feelings of inferiority because they don't have many friends. They see their peers engaging in animated conversations with each other
everywhere on campus, which reinforces feelings of loneliness and isolation.



The student compensates for this feeling by saying, "I may not have many close friends, but I have excellent grades!" Instead of seeking out social
connections, the student focuses all their attention and energy on schoolwork and rarely attends social events or has fun. In this example,
compensation has prevented the student from overcoming feelings of inferiority and limited their growth as a person.

Compensation, particularly if it involves relying heavily on another person, can also strain relationships. For example, a relationship can start to
feel imbalanced if one partner relies on the other to always pay the bills or handle conflicts between kids.

People who are narcissistic often overcompensate when they experience low self-esteem and jealousy by seeking out power and attention.9



Using Rationalization as a Defense Mechanism

How to Stop Over- or Under-compensating

If you've realized that you are overcompensating or under-compensating, know that having that awareness and looking at your behavior honestly is the
first step in making changes. Here are a few ways that you can work on trying to stop overcompensating or under-compensating.



Check in with yourself regularly. You can't change a behavior if you're not aware of it, so it can be helpful to practice mindfulness throughout the
day. These check-ins with yourself-even something as simple as asking, "How am I feeling today?" can help you catch instances where you might be
over- or under-compensating.

Take notes. When you're doing your daily check-ins, you might find it helpful to jot down your observations in a notebook or keep tabs in a note-
taking app. You may start to pick up on some patterns or specific areas of your life where compensating behavior is happening and possibly causing
problems. You also want to be on the lookout for instances where you are 'talking down" to yourself or "beating yourself up" over something in your
life.

Ask others to be honest with you. Sometimes, it's hard to be honest with yourself about your behavior. You may find that feedback from your loved
ones gives you some much-needed perspective or a "reality check" that alerts you to compensatory behaviors you'd like to change.

Reach out for mental health support. Working with a therapist can be extremely valuable if you are trying to understand and ultimately change your
behaviors. You need to develop your emotional intelligence, self-compassion, problem-solving skills, and confidence, and therapy can be a safe space
for doing that important work.

Be kind to yourself. Change won't happen overnight. Chances are, you learned to do the compensatory behaviors you're trying to change over a long
time, so it will also take time to undo them or replace them with more helpful behaviors. As you work on forming new habits, try to be patient with
yourself. Remind yourself that you are not perfect (no one is) and that you don't have to try to be perfect. Find people in your life that you can
practice being vulnerable with and learn to accept your weaknesses.

Set realistic goals. As you work on changing your behavior, take it one step at a time and celebrate even the little successes along the way. Keeping
track of your progress will help you stay motivated and reinforce that you're capable of making the changes you want to make. While you do want to
give yourself plenty of opportunities to be challenged, make sure to also continue to do things you enjoy and are good at to boost your confidence.

Keep learning and growing. If there are areas of your life where you feel you have knowledge gaps or weaknesses, you may decide that you want to
improve your understanding and skills in these areas. Find ways to learn more about them, whether it's taking a class or reading up on your own. Just
remember that you don't have to "be the best" at something for it to add value and meaning to your life.

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Alan's Low Self Esteem FORCES Him To Reply, Even When There's NOTHING To Reply TO

This Is Why Alan Can't Admit He's Wrong

They say it takes a big person to admit their mistakes, but for Alan, saying he's wrong feels impossible.

But why does Alan do it? We've asked psychologist Dr. Tim Sharp, chief happiness officer at The Happiness Institute, to explain:

They think being wrong means they're unworthy - Yup... Low-Self-Esteem

For Alan, conceding that he's fallible can evoke a deep psychological anxiety regarding "the risks or the consequences associated with loss or
failure," says Sharp.

"I think the reason Alan can't apologize isn't actually because he doesn't like to be wrong, but because it's seen as an inherent character fault,"
he explains.

Sharp says that for non-apologists, the irrational need to always be "perfect" rules their ego and they feel their screw-ups are unforgivable.

"The difficulty in admitting failure largely comes from the unrealistic expectation that 'I should get it right all the time, or not even try or make
it seem as if I am'" he says.

[JTEM]

Post by AlleyCat
Ski Bunny's not here to refute anything... he's here to quench his thirst to be known as the smartest nerd in the room, because of his low-self-
esteem.

Lol! That's the whole history of usenet!

Ever meet a usenet regular offline? If not, you never experienced
the joy of someone demanding "A cite" from you in person, as if
you carry source material on every imaginable topic... just in case.

I had a friend bring up Gwobull Warbling over dinner one time, and
when I responded she rolled her eyes at me. But the thing is; I
hadn't offered any opinions yet! I just stated a few facts like how
this was the Holocene, the Holocene is an interglacial period within
a much larger ice age called the Quaternary Period... that's it.

That was as far as I got.

Yeah, she was a many-year usenet veteran...

Nothing any of us say matters. Even if an "opponent" on usenet
somehow realizes they were bested they're just going to draw all
the wrong lessons. Like demanding a cite: Calling for a "Cite"
is a magic word, an incantation, really, which makes people look
stupid and it has nothing to do with the fact that they are
making it all up as they go along...

I got blocked in talk.origins back in... 2011? For the unforgivable
sin of opposing Gwobull Warbling doctrine. But to be honest I had
already been persona non grata for saying truly offensive things
like "Neanderthals and so called modern interbred" and even "Feathers
are not arboreal adaptations."

Madness, I know, and the fact that all the science had long since
proven those points -- neither having originated with me -- made
no difference...

I got into more than one knock down, dragged out brawl in alt.atheism
for saying that testimony is evidence submittable in court and even
used in countless "Scientific Studies," any which rely on self
reports.

There was another flamewar where all but a couple of us acknowledged
that, under current scientific conventions, dogs and wolves are one
single species. This was also a great sin... those so called "Atheists"
sure have a great many sins they need to punish!

Anyway, all of usenet is and always has been one massive symptom of
one disorder or another... anything from a personal flaw to a major
mental illness.

Post by AlleyCat
He's trying to cope with his life not being what he wants it to be, by trying to make others look dumb, so he can make HIMSELF look smart and feel
better about himself.

I dunno. Seems that spewing idiocy on topics you have little interest
in and even less knowledge is not the way to go about it.

Usenet should be all about passion: What are you passionate about?

Originally? I never questioned Gwobull Warbling. Then when I had to
confront it, "Prove" it to myself one way or the other, I concluded
it was bullshit but i still mostly went along. I mean, I always
favored conservation! Coal is nasty, burning oil is not as dirty but
still pretty dirty...

Getting blocked in talk.origins had a lot to do with my "Passion" on
the topic. It was a real eye opener. These weren't Barney fans going
nuts on me, these were people with an interest in science, albeit a
different topic. Many of them were very highly educated and even
dedicated to battling false narratives themselves i.e. "Intelligent
Design." And here they were BLOCKING ME for doing exactly what they
were doing, but on a position that they didn't think was popular.

Under Dubya Bush we had all loved through eight years where the
scientific grant process was controlled by people beholding to the
religious right... a religious right that hated evolution and loved
Creationism and Intelligent Design. And yet only a few short years
later and every single one of them forgot. They simply couldn't
remember that science is controlled by money, the money comes from
grants and the people controlling those grants have a political
agenda.

Yeah, that'll leave anyone bitter...

[AlleyCat]

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 00:00:52 -0500, JTEM says...

Post by JTEM
I dunno. Seems that spewing idiocy on topics you have little interest
in and even less knowledge is not the way to go about it.

The topic doesn't matter to Ski Bunny. It's the art of the argument with him.

He's so into trying to make himself seem smarter, he doesn't argue the topic... he picks on and focuses on something he thinks he can make the OP
look stupid with.

You should go back and read the posts I've made... just the ones where Alan Baker has chimed in. 99 outta 100 are about the inane... the
insignificant part of the article... the minutiae.

Talk about a train wreck and Ski Bunny wants to talk about the warning placards attached to the car and whether this one means flammable or
INflammable, poison gas or poison liquid.

LOL... they are all the same.

Now, watch him come in here and say nuh uh!

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December:

Thailand Freezes

Record Snow In Japan

Parts Of Morocco See Snow For First Time In 50 Years

Cattle Futures Hit Record High Amid Looming Arctic Blast

Three-Day Snow Warning For UK

Extreme Snowfall Paralyzes Northern Norway

Siberia Nears -60c (-76f)

Record Snows For Uttarakhand

"Dangerous Cold"

Snow Reaches Athens

Delhi Plunges

U.S. To Freeze

Arctic Ice Up 26%

Dal Lake Freezes Over

Extreme Snow Roundup

Antarctic Sea Ice Recovering Quite Nicely, Thank You

Murcia's Record Lows

Red Alert In Bidar Amid India's Cold Wave

Italian Alps Hit -31.1c (-24f)

U.S. Cold-Deaths Double Since 1999-The Establishment Blames Global Warming

Japan's Record-Breaking Snowfall

BBC Still Pushing Polar Bear Propaganda

White Christmas For Europe

Bengaluru's Record Cold

Xinjiang Plummets To Record -42.5c

Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Higher Now Than In 1979

Bhopal Breaks 58-Year Record

Vostok At -40c (Again)

The Truth About Iceberg A-68

Extreme Cold And Heavy Snow Slam Finland

Europe Wind Power A "Shit Situation," Says Minister

Winter Weather Grips U.S.

India Reels

Vostok Below -40c

Snow Hits Malaga, Spain

Cold Wave Sweeps Pakistan

Canadian Prairies Near -40c

Texans Warned Of "Extreme Cold"

Antarctic Sea Ice Nearing 1979-1990 Average

"Excellent" Early-Season Snow Across The Alps

Delhi's Record Cold

Chilly Waters Stun Record Number Of Turtles

Record Cold Grips Indore

Asia Chills

Record Snowfall In Midwest

Another Round Of Arctic Air To Hit Much Of North America

Mumbai's Lowest Temp In A Decade

Northern Hemisphere Cold

Russia In The Freezer

India Chills

Northern India's Big Freeze Intensifies

Cold Wave Enters Vietnam

Freezing Lows And Heavy Snows Hit U.S., More To Come

Kashmir Freezes At -18c (-0.4f)

Below Average Antarctic Plateau

Another Round Of Lake-Effect Snow

Cold Waves Lifting Natural Gas Prices

Snow Returns To Scotland And Wider Europe

Global Temperature Tumbles

Antarctic Sea Ice Recovery

Severe Cold Hits Pakistan

Florida Set For Record Cold

Snowy November At Red Mountain

U.S. Battered By Cold And Record Snow

Parts Of Ontario Under A Meter Of Snow

Early-December To Deliver Another Burial To Europe