Discussion:
And It Wasn't JUST Al Gore And His 75% Failed Prediction
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AlleyCat
2024-08-09 00:56:34 UTC
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Summary

In 2007, several predictions claimed the Arctic would become ice-free by 2013-
2018, including those by the BBC, Nobel laureate Al Gore, and NASA's James
Hansen.

However, there has been no trend in sea ice extent to support these claims,
making them scientifically unfounded.

Over the past 16 years, it has been shown that the Arctic's summer is too short
to result in ice-free conditions, due to temperatures dropping below freezing
in early August and the rapid decrease in solar energy received by the North
Pole. Despite accurate information about climate being presented, accusations
of spreading misinformation persist.


Bullet Points

In 2007, predictions suggested an imminent ice-free Arctic by 2013-2018.

Notable predictions came from the BBC, Al Gore, and NASA's James Hansen.

There has been no supporting trend in sea ice extent since these predictions.

Solar energy at the North Pole decreases rapidly by the end of August.

Accurate climate information is often labeled as misinformation.


We are into August now, and in a few days, temperatures near the North Pole
will drop below freezing for the winter. Yet there is still a lot of sea ice in
the Arctic basin.

Temperatures north of 80 degrees latitude, which is shown as this circle here,
will be below freezing in a few days. There is no way to get an ice-free Arctic
because the Arctic summer is too short.

This chart shows the total amount of solar energy received at all latitudes and
dates on Earth. At mid-summer, the North Pole receives more solar energy than
any place else on Earth.

This is because the sun is up relatively high in the sky, and it's shining 24
hours a day. But by early August, the sun is starting to rapidly disappear at
the North Pole, and by the end of August, there's almost no sunlight being
received.

So once again, the bottom line is that the Arctic summer is too short, and
there's no way to achieve an ice-free Arctic. 16 years ago, the experts were
wrong because they don't understand basic physics.

But *I* get accused of spreading misinformation every day because I provide
accurate information about climate. - Tony Heller

=====

In 2007, academics and politicians started making predictions of an imminent
ice-free Arctic. The BBC said the Arctic would be ice-free by 2013, and Nobel
laureate Al Gore predicted the ice would be gone by the summer of 2014.

The Sierra Club explained why Arctic sea ice would vanish in 2013, and NASA's
James Hansen predicted the ice would be gone between 2013 and 2018.

Congressional Democrats described HIM as a climate prophet.

(insert eye roll, here)

Since they started making these predictions in 2007, there's been no trend in
the minimum, mean, or maximum sea ice extent. In other words, their predictions
were scientifically baseless propaganda. I started making fun of them for these
ridiculous predictions 16 years ago.

Now let's take a look at the basic physics which these academics and
politicians don't seem to understand. This graph shows temperatures near the
North Pole for every day this year. The dashed line shows zero degrees Celsius,
which is the freezing point of water. The blue line shows the mean temperature
from 1958 to 2002. We are into August now, and in a few days, temperatures near
the North Pole will drop below freezing for the winter. Yet there is still lots
of sea ice in the Arctic basin. Temperatures north of 80 degrees latitude,
which is shown as this circle here, will be below freezing in a few days. There
is no way to get an ice-free Arctic because the Arctic summer is too short.

This chart shows the total amount of solar energy received at all latitudes and
dates on Earth. At mid-summer, the North Pole receives more solar energy than
any place else on Earth. This is because the sun is up relatively high in the
sky, and it's shining 24 hours a day. But by early August, the sun is starting
to rapidly disappear at the North Pole, and by the end of August, there's
almost no sunlight being received. So once again, the bottom line is that the
Arctic summer is too short, and there's no way to achieve an ice-free Arctic.

Sixteen years ago, the experts were wrong because they didn't understand basic
physics. But I get accused of spreading misinformation every day because I
provide accurate information about climate.

=====

August:

Vast Cold Wave About To Sweep The U.S.

Greek Study Challenges CO2-Temperature Causality

Arctic Shipping Season Is Shortening

Rapid Antarctic Sea Ice Growth

Heavy Snow Hits New Zealand

Too Many Polar Bears In Greenland

British Farmers Paid To NOT Produce Food

Record July Cold Hits Scotland

Summer To Quit Early This Year

Remarkable Summer Gains On The Greenland Ice Sheet

Arctic Sea Ice Extent: No Cause For Alarm

$78 Trillion To Fight The Hoax of 'Climate Crisis'

=====

July:

Record Cold Persists In Eastern Australia
Cold Deaths In England Far Outstrip Heat Deaths
Australia's Winter Continues to Defy BOM Forecasts
EV Industry on the Brink of Collapse
B.C. Wineries Get Support After Devastating Winter Freeze
Study Confirms CO2 Is Greening The Earth
Texas Cold Front Breaks Daily Records
Aussie Freeze Exposes Energy Shortfalls
UK's Cool Summer Results In Low Bat Numbers
Study Confirms CO2 Is Greening The Earth
Geo-Engineering Driven By Profit and Megalomania
The Snow Piles Up Down Under, Cold Records Fall
Bengaluru Shivers
Cold Records From 1899 Fall In Queensland, With "Vigorous Winds And Blizzards"
Forecast For NSW
Eastern Australia Breaks Electricity Demand Records Due To Polar Blast
Summer 'Snow' Record At Philadelphia
New Study: Temperature Drives CO2
Antarctica Nears July Record Low With -82.1C (-115.8F)
European Glaciers Remain Covered In Snow
UK Met Office Reports a Cool Summer So Far
July Cold Wave To Grip Much Of U.S.
Buenos Aires' Coldest First Half Of July On Record
Great Barrier Reef Sets All-Time Record In 2024
Argentina Continues To Freeze
Hurricane Lull
U.S. Still Mostly Run On Fossil Fuels
New Zealand's Cold Start To Winter
79% Chance Of A Winter La Nina
Australia's East To Shiver Some More, With Widespread Snow Inbound
China Commissions New Icebreaker (WHY? There's No Ice!)
Historic, All-Time Cold Hits Argentina
South Africa Hit by Cold Fronts And Heavy Snow
La Niña Forecast: Heavy Snow Ahead
Exceptional Snow-Year In Northern Italy
Winter Begins With a Bang In South America
Tasmania Freezes
"Tonga Volcano Prime Suspect"
Scottish Ski Centers Report Rare July Snowfall
Brits Asking "Where Is Summer?"
Europe's Lowest Burn Acreage On Record
Tasmania's Second-Coldest Temperature Ever
America's "Historic June Heatwave" Was a Lie
Historic, All-Time Cold Hits Argentina
South Africa Hit by Cold Fronts And Heavy Snow
La Niña Forecast: Heavy Snow Ahead
Exceptional Snow-Year In Northern Italy
Winter Begins With a Bang In South America
Tasmania Freezes
Scottish Ski Centers Report Rare July Snowfall
Brewing SSW Event In The Southern Hemisphere?
101 Scientists: Claims Of Man-Made Global Warming Are Exaggerated
Brits Asking "Where Is Summer?"
Europe's Lowest Burn Acreage On Record
Tasmania's Second-Coldest Temperature Ever
America's "Historic June Heatwave" Was a Lie
Unprecedented Snowfalls in Argentina Threaten 1 Million Livestock
Aussie Cold
Record Stratospheric Water Vapor
Global Temperatures Took Another Step Down In June
Greenland Gaining Gigatons Of Mass In Summer
Global CO2 Emissions Tracking Well Below 'Scary' Climate Scenarios
Avalanche At Kedarnath Temple
Australia's Bitter Cold And Low Wind Leads To Power Concerns
Greenland's Record Summer Gains
Alan
2024-08-09 01:10:58 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
Summary
In 2007, several predictions claimed the Arctic would become ice-free by 2013-
2018, including those by the BBC, Nobel laureate Al Gore, and NASA's James
Hansen.
Well that's false.
AlleyCat
2024-08-09 05:03:18 UTC
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On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 18:10:58 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Summary
In 2007, several predictions claimed the Arctic would become ice-free by 2013-
2018, including those by the BBC, Nobel laureate Al Gore, and NASA's James
Hansen.
Well that's false.
What, EXACTLY, is false? Are you playing that 75% bullshit, again?

You REALLY REALLY suck at this, or you're just playing your usual childish
games.

Who do you want first? The BBC?

OK.

Arctic Summers Ice-Free 'By 2013'
By Jonathan Amos
Science reporter, BBC News, San Francisco

Go ahead, argue those bullshit liberal literal semantics points, you faggots
always do, when you can't refute.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7139797.stm

Remember... the title is "Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'"... not "Arctic
summers 'could be' ice-free 'by 2013'"

They even think they're being conservative in their claims.

"So given that fact, you can argue that may be our projection of 2013 is
already too conservative." - Meaning they think it'll happen sooner.

That leaves Al Gore and James Hansen next.

Well, we've already proven that Al Gore thought they'd be ice-free, even at
75%.

ANYONE taking bets, will bet ON that 75%, so don't go there, child.

==============================================================================

There's NO reason for those idiots to put out that information, unless they
think it WILL happen.

WHO wants to make predictions, if they know they're not going to come true?

Oh... yeah... climate screeching chicken shit alarmist Chicken Littles.

============================================================================

THIS Is Why Chicken Shit Chicken Littles Screech About Climate And Weather And
Global Warbling:

The UN Makes it Official: Global Warming Hysteria Is All About Redistributing
Wealth

UN IPCC Official Admits 'We Redistribute World's Wealth By Climate Policy'

Global Study Reveals Wealth Redistribution From Blue-Carbon Ecosystems

Failed Climate Policies Are About Wealth Redistribution

"We Redistribute De Facto The World's Wealth By Climate Policy."

How Global Warming Has Made The Rich Richer
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20190502-how-global-warming-has-made-the-
rich-richer

The U.N.'s Global Warming War On Capitalism: An Important History Lesson
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/01/22/the-u-n-s-global-warming-war-
on-capitalism-an-important-history-lesson-2/?sh=4f89a2d429be

The Doha Wealth Redistribution Process Moves On
https://townhall.com/columnists/davidrothbard/2012/12/14/the-doha-wealth-
redistribution-process-moves-on-n1465410

=====

"There is no doubt, that we need to have a complete transformation... the
transformation of the economy, and that includes, of course, the private
sector."

A carbon tax will change NOTHING, other than the wealth of politicians and
countries who beg us for money. THAT was the purpose of the Paris Accord...
the ONLY purpose.

Funny... when the government no longer pays for bogus money-grabbing data, the
truth comes out.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."


"And we're like... the world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address
climate change..."

AOC's Top Aide Admits Green New Deal About The Economy, Not Climate
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aocs-top-aide-admits-green-new-deal-
about-the-economy-not-the-climate

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff recently admitted that the Green
New Deal was not conceived as an effort to deal with climate change, but
instead a "how-do-you-change-the-entire economy thing" -- a remark likely to
fuel Republican claims that the deal is nothing more than a thinly veiled
socialist takeover of the U.S. economy. "The interesting thing about the Green
New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Saikat Chakrabarti
said in May, according to The Washington Post.

*****

UN Official Admits That Climate Change Used As A Ruse To Control The World's
Economy
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/diabolical-lie-called-climate-change-used-
un-promote-economic-agenda/

*****

"Unequal Distribution of Wealth and Power" Causes Climate Change
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/un-climate-summit-causes-of-
climate-change-unequal-distribution-of-wealth-and-power/

*****

U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to-
destroy-capitalism/

*****

Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-
admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

*****

United Nations Official Admits the Purpose of the Global Warming Hoax is to
Destroy Capitalism
http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/donald-r-may/2015-02-
27/united-nations-official-admits-purpose-global-warming#.V-nGUOM1HmE
Alan
2024-08-09 05:08:17 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 18:10:58 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Summary
In 2007, several predictions claimed the Arctic would become ice-free by 2013-
2018, including those by the BBC, Nobel laureate Al Gore, and NASA's James
Hansen.
Well that's false.
What, EXACTLY, is false? Are you playing that 75% bullshit, again?
It's not bullshit.

It was a probability from the moment it was stated.
AlleyCat
2024-08-09 05:24:31 UTC
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On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 22:08:17 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 18:10:58 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Summary
In 2007, several predictions claimed the Arctic would become ice-free by 2013-
2018, including those by the BBC, Nobel laureate Al Gore, and NASA's James
Hansen.
Well that's false.
What, EXACTLY, is false? Are you playing that 75% bullshit, again?
It's not bullshit.
It was a probability from the moment it was stated.
Well, for fuck's sake, moron... that IS the point. They were WRONG!

God DAMN... stop playing at being the smartest nerd for once, and just DISCUSS
this shit.

What is WITH you?

Why do you feel you HAVE to argue EVERY point a Conservative posts, even when
you are wrong?

You KNOW that's a medical condition, right?

NARCISSISM.

Get help.

===============================================================================

White Liberals More Likely To Have A Mental Health Condition

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/22/white-liberals-more-likely-
have-mental-health-cond/

Apr 22, 2021 - Sixty-two percent of Whites who classify themselves as "very
liberal" or "liberal" have been told by a doctor they have a mental health
condition, as compared to 26% of conservatives and...

============================================================================

You probably spend a small amount of time feeling sorry for Alan, but elated
when this undeserved narcissist starts spouting his hate and bile.

Have you ever wondered how to make a Alan, the narcissist, miserable and what
makes him afraid or triggered? (maybe for a second... then it's gone)

Just for the record, trying to make Alan, the narcissist, miserable might have
its place for a short period of time, but I don't recommend focusing on it for
too long as this will inevitably get old.

But, if you need a quik fix, let's get into the top things all narcissists,
like Alan, hate.

How to Make Alan, the narcissist, Miserable

Lack Of Acknowledgment: (filter on ignore)

Even though he KNOWS he's being ignored, he continues to reply, as if ANYONE
really cares, other than himself. THAT is narcissism.

It's no secret that most narcissists, like Alan, revel in admiration and
validation (except for 'closet narcissists', like Alan). Alan depends on
constant approval to maintain his sense of intrinsic worth. To achieve this
goal, he TRIES to absorb (or steal) the energy of other people.

"Prove it."

Do you ever wonder why narcissists, like Alan, don't seem to mind the negative
attention? It's because negative attention also fuels his narcissistic fire.

ANY attention, even NEGATIVE attention, IS STILL ATTENTION, and any form of
attention gives him the incentive to keep going. It gives him the motivation to
keep proving himself (by making others prove THEMSELVES.

In fact, he often likes negative attention better, because if you're still
amused by his emotional crimes, he can try to exploit this.

Therefore, a lack of acknowledgment is the real threat. To Alan, the
narcissist, indifference is even more of an issue than hatred. Alan's rather
you have a negative opinion than have no opinion at all.

(sick fuck)

Narcissists, like Alan, can't stand it when no one is paying attention to him.
Alan doesn't know how to feel important or special if he isn't the center of
the universe or consuming someone's thoughts. This is also why the traditional
Grey Rock method is often pointless and why complete avoidance is the best
route (or extreme modified contact... just ignore the sick fuck).

When People Speak Factually:

Have you ever paid close attention to how Alan, the narcissist, speaks? He
ALWAYS trying to belittle those he THINKS are below his station.

Additionally, through the use of cognitive empathy, he's spent his entire life
observing the emotional language of other people, ESPECIALLY RUSSIAN SPORTS
OFFICIALS and using it to his advantage. So, when you speak in facts instead of
using emotion, he intuitively understands he has less of an upper hand.

Therefore, he hates it when someone challenges him with facts instead of
emotion. Alan will usually retaliate with more arguing or hysteria. PROVE IT!
PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT!

This childish response simply shows that he feel out-of-control. Alan's attempt
to elevate the conversation's intensity by throwing an emotional temper
tantrum. PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT!
PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT!

If anything, this dynamic only highlights the narcissist's immaturity. His
inability to absorb facts demonstrates his incompetence in approaching most
adult interactions.

Authority:

Narcissists, like Alan, detest authority. That's because he resents having to
answer to anybody but himself (mommy orders him around, further compounding his
anger).

"Ski lifts are closed... too much snow." Bu bu but snow is just a thing of the
past, Alan says, even though we're seeing snow levels we saw in the 70s, when
CO² was MUCH lower.

Any sense of authority threatens his inherent desire for power and control.
"You can't ski here, bunny."

While narcissists, like Alan, can be intelligent, he often come across as
combative and unfit in professional environments. If confronted by his
inappropriate behavior, he tends to deny or rationalize his part. PROVE IT!
PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT!
PROVE IT!

Of course, it's no surprise that most authority figures dislike working with
narcissists, like Alan. Supervisors (LOL) find him unruly and unreasonable.

Alan can't understand why the person can't follow basic directions without such
volatile reactions.

Being Told No:

Of all things, Alan, the narcissist, hates being told no (and actually
following through with it) tops the list. Narcissists, like Alan, are used to
manipulating and weaseling his way into getting what he wants.

Often, he'll pull all the stops to accomplish this task. He's spent his whole
life charming people to meet his needs.

That's why telling him no, and being adamant on your stance, often causes such
an angry reaction. Alan, the narcissist, isn't just upset about the denial -
he's downright confused by it!

Narcissists, like Alan, can't actually fathom why someone would refuse him.
Because he lacks real empathy, he can't understand what must be going on in
your mind. Moreover, even if he tries to comprehend it, he refuses to accept
this reality.

Implementing Consequences:

Have you ever tried to set a boundary with Alan, the narcissist,? How well did
it go? Most likely, you tried to implement a limit, and he reacted in one of
three ways:

Dismissing you altogether and gas-lighting your feelings, acknowledging his
mistake (LOL), and then doing nothing to change.

Narcissists, like Alan, can't accept any real consequences. Alan can't see when
he's wrong, and he can't understand how someone would ever think he's wrong.
And even if the narcissist understood this, he simply wouldn't care. As a
result, he tends to react disproportionately to boundaries and serious
conversations as a means to intimidate you and force you into compliance.

Unfortunately, many people simply give up on trying to implement consequences
with narcissists, like Alan.

(filters set to ignorte)

Losing At Anything:

Narcissists, like Alan, can resemble toddlers, in that he tend to be extremely
sore losers. Alan struggles to accept losing, and he also tends to lash out
when it happens. A few scenarios may occur:

Alan repeatedly proclaims a person on Usenet is incompetent. Alan's attempt to
defame or humiliate the winner. Alan pretends he didn't care about winning.
Alan insists that he "let the other person" take the spotlight. Alan refuses to
accept that he lost and awkwardly acts as if he's the actual winner.

Public Humiliation:

Because narcissists, like Alan, are sore losers, he can't handle real or
perceived public humiliation. Alan just can't tolerate the threat of failure.
To him, public humiliation is the ultimate form of defeat.

(and THAT'S why he HAS to be the last poster in a thread, if he has felt that
he's been slighted, in the least)

We all know that narcissists, like Alan, have incredibly fragile egos. When he
believes someone is making fun of him or if he's not the perceived expert or
authority in a public setting, it jolts his existence. As a result, he'll do
anything to protect his fragile ego. Some common responses include:

Laughing it off in public only to lash out later

Making up lies about anyone who is a real expert. ("Dr. Ian Clark is not a REAL
climatologist!!!")

Expectations of Commitment

Most narcissists, like Alan, are terrible with commitment. Although he believes
he deserves all senses of loyalty, he doesn't usually provide it himself. As a
result, when he gets into relationships (mommy only), he doesn't consider her
needs. He's only accounting for his own emotions, impulses, and desires.

Unfortunately, his mother holds onto wistful hope about her narcissist
changing. She listens to how the narcissist praises and adores her. She holds
onto fleeting promises that this time will be different.

Yet, Alan, the narcissist makes all the rules. Alan decides what he wants to
do, and he does it when he wants to do it. Therefore, he can break and change
the rules in ways that suits him.

Prove it! Prove it! Prove it! Prove it! Prove it! Prove it! Prove it! Prove it!
Prove it! Prove it!

99% of Other People:

How many friends does your narcissist have? Probably very few (more like NONE).
Usually, his only friends are other people who validate his narcissism, like
mommy.

Subsequently, how often do you hear Alan complain about other people? (ALL THE
TIME) More times than you can count, probably! That's because a single
wrongdoing often results in lifetime resentment. One mistake tarnishes an
entire reputation.

Narcissists, like Alan, struggle to get along with anyone who doesn't fit into
his falsified worldview. Alan can't stand to be challenged. Alan can't tolerate
the ideas that other people may know more than him.

If he's a cerebral narcissist, he is convinced that he is unique and should
only associate with other special or high-status individuals. In fact, when
confronted with anything that contradicts his sense of god-like stature, you
can bet that his reaction will be explosive and malicious.

Therefore, narcissists, like Alan, can't tolerate people who actually live in
reality. That's why you rarely see people with strong boundaries tolerating
narcissists, like Alan, for very long.

When You Change The Status Quo:

Narcissists, like Alan, hate change when it's out of his control. When you
challenge Alan, the narcissist, he remains in a defeating pattern full of
resentment and frustration, lashing out to make himself feel dominate.

Prove it!

I did.
Alan
2024-08-09 05:31:30 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 22:08:17 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 18:10:58 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Summary
In 2007, several predictions claimed the Arctic would become ice-free by 2013-
2018, including those by the BBC, Nobel laureate Al Gore, and NASA's James
Hansen.
Well that's false.
What, EXACTLY, is false? Are you playing that 75% bullshit, again?
It's not bullshit.
It was a probability from the moment it was stated.
Well, for fuck's sake, moron... that IS the point. They were WRONG!
No. They were not wrong. That's why real scientists talk about
probabilities for some things.

While it might not have happened on that fast a schedule it IS happening.


<https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/arctic-sea-ice/>

The trend of the last 43 years there is unmistakable.

And this year is on pace to be the lowest or second lowest ever.

In case you wanted to argue that 2012 was some kind of bottom moment:

<https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/>
AlleyCat
2024-08-09 06:01:56 UTC
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No ice-free Arctic... no need to discuss any more.

No futuring allowed.

https://i.imgur.com/FwtCFq8.mp4

We are into August now, and in a few days, temperatures near the North Pole
will drop below freezing for the winter. Yet there is still lots of sea ice in
the Arctic basin. Temperatures north of 80 degrees latitude, which is shown as
this circle here, will be below freezing in a few days.

There is no way to get an ice-free Arctic because the Arctic summer is too
short.

And it's no where NEAR warm enough.


THIS Is Why Chicken Shit Chicken Littles Screech About Climate And Weather And
Global Warbling:

The UN Makes it Official: Global Warming Hysteria Is All About Redistributing
Wealth

UN IPCC Official Admits 'We Redistribute World's Wealth By Climate Policy'

Global Study Reveals Wealth Redistribution From Blue-Carbon Ecosystems

Failed Climate Policies Are About Wealth Redistribution

"We Redistribute De Facto The World's Wealth By Climate Policy."

How Global Warming Has Made The Rich Richer
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20190502-how-global-warming-has-made-the-
rich-richer

The U.N.'s Global Warming War On Capitalism: An Important History Lesson
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/01/22/the-u-n-s-global-warming-war-
on-capitalism-an-important-history-lesson-2/?sh=4f89a2d429be

The Doha Wealth Redistribution Process Moves On
https://townhall.com/columnists/davidrothbard/2012/12/14/the-doha-wealth-
redistribution-process-moves-on-n1465410

=====

"There is no doubt, that we need to have a complete transformation... the
transformation of the economy, and that includes, of course, the private
sector."

A carbon tax will change NOTHING, other than the wealth of politicians and
countries who beg us for money. THAT was the purpose of the Paris Accord...
the ONLY purpose.

Funny... when the government no longer pays for bogus money-grabbing data, the
truth comes out.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI

"And we're like... the world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address
climate change..."

AOC's Top Aide Admits Green New Deal About The Economy, Not Climate
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aocs-top-aide-admits-green-new-deal-
about-the-economy-not-the-climate

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff recently admitted that the Green
New Deal was not conceived as an effort to deal with climate change, but
instead a "how-do-you-change-the-entire economy thing" -- a remark likely to
fuel Republican claims that the deal is nothing more than a thinly veiled
socialist takeover of the U.S. economy. "The interesting thing about the Green
New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Saikat Chakrabarti
said in May, according to The Washington Post.

*****

UN Official Admits That Climate Change Used As A Ruse To Control The World's
Economy
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/diabolical-lie-called-climate-change-used-
un-promote-economic-agenda/

*****

"Unequal Distribution of Wealth and Power" Causes Climate Change
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/un-climate-summit-causes-of-
climate-change-unequal-distribution-of-wealth-and-power/

*****

U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to-
destroy-capitalism/

*****

Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-
admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

*****

United Nations Official Admits the Purpose of the Global Warming Hoax is to
Destroy Capitalism
http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/donald-r-may/2015-02-
27/united-nations-official-admits-purpose-global-warming#.V-nGUOM1HmE
Alan
2024-08-09 14:31:42 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
No ice-free Arctic... no need to discuss any more.
If that were true, you would have had to snip everything.
Post by AlleyCat
No futuring allowed.
Why?
Post by AlleyCat
https://i.imgur.com/FwtCFq8.mp4
We are into August now, and in a few days, temperatures near the North Pole
will drop below freezing for the winter. Yet there is still lots of sea ice in
the Arctic basin. Temperatures north of 80 degrees latitude, which is shown as
this circle here, will be below freezing in a few days.
Arctic ice minimum is still more than a month away.
Post by AlleyCat
There is no way to get an ice-free Arctic because the Arctic summer is too
short.
And it's no where NEAR warm enough.
And yet minimum arctic ice this year is going to be less than half of
what the average minimum was from 1979 to 1990.

<https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/>
Chips Loral
2024-08-09 15:07:46 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
No ice-free Arctic... no need to discuss any more.
If that were true, you would have had to snip everything.
You can't help yourself, can you?

https://electroverse.co/james-hansen-ice-free-arctic-by-2018/

“The greenhouse effect is here,” pronounced doomsayer Hansen back on
June 23, 1988; and “We’re [still] toast,” he repeated with a straight
face 20 years later, in 2008.

https://onenewsnow.com/science-tech/2018/12/14/gores-no-arctic-ice-in-5-7-yrs-prediction-a-bust

https://cornwallalliance.org/2018/08/the-astonishing-failures-of-al-gores-arctic-prophecies/

In his 2007 Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech, Al Gore claimed that
there is “a 75 percent chance the entire polar ice cap will melt in
summer within the next five to seven years.”

Well, eleven years have gone by, and Arctic ice is doing fine.

Why do politicians like Gore make blatantly false claims?

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-13002706

"We can run a fully coupled model for the past and present and see what
our model will predict for the future in terms of the sea ice and the
Arctic climate."

And one of the projections it comes out with is that the summer melt
could lead to ice-free Arctic seas by 2016 - "plus or minus three years".



You're like the Canadian Mind products cretin, Roedy Green.

https://www.mindprod.com/
Chips Loral
2024-08-09 16:35:54 UTC
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Post by Alan
Arctic ice minimum is still more than a month away.
You can't help yourself, can you?

https://electroverse.co/james-hansen-ice-free-arctic-by-2018/

“The greenhouse effect is here,” pronounced doomsayer Hansen back on
June 23, 1988; and “We’re [still] toast,” he repeated with a straight
face 20 years later, in 2008.

https://onenewsnow.com/science-tech/2018/12/14/gores-no-arctic-ice-in-5-7-yrs-prediction-a-bust

https://cornwallalliance.org/2018/08/the-astonishing-failures-of-al-gores-arctic-prophecies/

In his 2007 Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech, Al Gore claimed that
there is “a 75 percent chance the entire polar ice cap will melt in
summer within the next five to seven years.”

Well, eleven years have gone by, and Arctic ice is doing fine.

Why do politicians like Gore make blatantly false claims?

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-13002706

"We can run a fully coupled model for the past and present and see what
our model will predict for the future in terms of the sea ice and the
Arctic climate."

And one of the projections it comes out with is that the summer melt
could lead to ice-free Arctic seas by 2016 - "plus or minus three years".



You're like the Canadian Mind products cretin, Roedy Green.

https://www.mindprod.com/
AlleyCat
2024-08-10 06:40:04 UTC
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On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 07:31:42 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
No ice-free Arctic... no need to discuss any more.
If that were true, you would have had to snip everything.
Post by AlleyCat
No futuring allowed.
Why?
MODELS.

Why Climate Models Can't Predict The Future (And Never Have)

Half the world (probably less, now) is clamoring to be lead to safety from
climate change without a shred of physical evidence.

What they DO have are mathematical equations considered to be models of the
earth's climate.

Our government has financed more than one hundred efforts to model our planet
for the better part of three decades.

They continue to do so even though none have ever predicted the known past, or
after decades of study, accurately predicted what was to happen ten years
hence.

If you watched the Indianapolis 500 motor car race you know they predicted 80%
chance of rain, but the sun never went behind a cloud.

The problem facing real scientists who study climate with no bias is that the
public has no clue what a mathematical model actually is, how they work or what
they can and can not do.


If MODELS can't... YOU can't.
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
https://i.imgur.com/FwtCFq8.mp4
We are into August now, and in a few days, temperatures near the North Pole
will drop below freezing for the winter. Yet there is still lots of sea ice in
the Arctic basin. Temperatures north of 80 degrees latitude, which is shown as
this circle here, will be below freezing in a few days.
Arctic ice minimum is still more than a month away.
That's a claim... prove it that there will be less ice in a month, than today,
model-boy.

Will August 9th's ice ALWAYS be greater than ~September 9ths? You can not say.

This is the problem. You pansy-ass pussy fucks always look at the trend lines
and say, "well, the sea levels HAVE to rise"... "the tornado counts HAVE to go
up"... "hurricanes HAVE to be more intense and numerous than the years before".

Well, dipshit, we ALL know that's NEVER the case. After 2005, there came a
wondrous hurricane drought.

Explain THAT, CO² is a pollutant-boy.

2023 was an anomaly.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/07/09/hunga-tonga-volcano-impact-on-record-
warming/

https://judithcurry.com/2024/07/05/hunga-tonga-volcano-impact-on-record-
warming/#more-31371
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
There is no way to get an ice-free Arctic because the Arctic summer is too
short.
And it's no where NEAR warm enough.
And yet minimum arctic ice this year is going to be less than half of
what the average minimum was from 1979 to 1990.
Cherry-picking pansy-ass pussies always lose, JUST by cherry-picking!

In case you're going to whataboutism... cart, horse... horse, cart?

You and Miss Kymberly, me.

==============================================================================

And YOU want THIS to be President:


https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/us-vice-president-kamala-harris-attempts-
to-explain-ai-in-latest-word-salad-gaffe-kind-of-a-fancy-thing/news-
story/96539b79b23be7b45ba66db72c5fbd34

"This is the most election of our lifetime."

I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by what has been. You know?

What can be unburdened by what has been.

There are those who are unable to see what can be.

But there are many more who are able to see what can be unburdened by what has
been.

Remember Venn diagrams, those three circles? Right.

And then let's just see where they overlap.

You will not be surprised because I have constructed a Venn diagram on this.

Remember those three circles, how they overlap?

I love Venn diagrams. So, I just do.

Whenever you're dealing with conflict, pull out a Venn diagram. Right?

And so, you know, the three circles.

Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called
Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country. Russia
decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine. So, basically, that's
wrong.

I am Kamala Harris. My pronouns are she, her, hers. My pronouns sitting at the
table wearing a blue suit.

"We invested an additional $12 billion into community banks, because we know
community banks are in the community, and understand the needs and desires of
that community as well as the talent and capacity of community."

"We also recognize just as it has been in the United States, for Jamaica, one
of the issues that has been presented as an issue that is economic in the way
of its impact has been the pandemic. So to that end, we are announcing today
also that we will assist Jamaica in COVID recovery by assisting in terms of the
recovery efforts in Jamaica that have been essential to, I believe, what is
necessary to strengthen not only the issue of public health but also the
economy."

"It's time for us to do what we have been doing, and that time is every day."

"I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have
rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues are just
settled. Certain issues are just settled."

AlleyCat
2024-08-09 11:53:21 UTC
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On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 22:31:30 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Well, for fuck's sake, moron... that IS the point. They were WRONG!
No. They were not wrong.
Yes, they WERE wrong.

I make a prediction that Harris wins in November and she doesn't... was I
wrong?

Yes.
Post by Alan
While it might not have happened on that fast a schedule it IS happening.
No... it is not.

The Arctic hasn't been anywhere NEAR ice free.
Post by Alan
The trend of the last 43 years there is unmistakable.
The trend will NEVER go to ICE-FREE, which is what your hewo Al Gore said,
along with MANY other sources, including that...

https://i.imgur.com/h6rLnHY.mp4

... James Hansen, who predicted: the West Side Highway in Manhattan would be
underwater within 20 or 30 years (2008-2018). In 2001, he confirmed and
reiterated that claim.

Let's not forget THIS gem: https://i.imgur.com/YIbXBNM.mp4

The oceans will boil. LOL - Me thinks Earth will be inhabitable by then.

2006 NASA scientist James Hansen says the world has a 10-year window.

2006 NASA scientist James Hansen says the world has a 10-year window of
opportunity to take decisive action on global warming and avert catastrophe.

It's 2024.

For what? Anyways, 2016 has come and gone, so his prediction, whatever it was,
is WRONG.

1988: James Hansen forecasts increase regional drought in 1990s
But the last really dry year in the Midwest was 1988, and recent years have
been record wet.

NASA "Climate Prophet" James Hansen Said The Arctic Would Be "Free of Summer
Ice" By 2018.

2008: Hansen said that in five to 10 years, the Arctic will be free of sea ice
in the summer.

2024 and NO sign Arctic will become ice-free.

In 2009, James Hansen, one of nation's most respected climate scientists, told
President Obama that we have "only four years left to save the earth."

What year is it now?

Let's leave Hansen alone.

How about the Navy?

US Navy Predicts Summer Ice Free Arctic By 2016

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Post by Alan
And this year is on pace to be the lowest or second lowest ever.
Doesn't matter... STILL no where NEAR ice-free, and that IS what the subject
is, even though you're trying to steer it to lower ice, instead.

Nope.

NO ice-free Arctic, so ALL predictions were wrong.

Off-topic bullshit removed.

============================================================================

THIS Is Why Chicken Shit Chicken Littles Screech About Climate And Weather And
Global Warbling:

The UN Makes it Official: Global Warming Hysteria Is All About Redistributing
Wealth

UN IPCC Official Admits 'We Redistribute World's Wealth By Climate Policy'

Global Study Reveals Wealth Redistribution From Blue-Carbon Ecosystems

Failed Climate Policies Are About Wealth Redistribution

"We Redistribute De Facto The World's Wealth By Climate Policy."

How Global Warming Has Made The Rich Richer
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20190502-how-global-warming-has-made-the-
rich-richer

The U.N.'s Global Warming War On Capitalism: An Important History Lesson
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/01/22/the-u-n-s-global-warming-war-
on-capitalism-an-important-history-lesson-2/?sh=4f89a2d429be

The Doha Wealth Redistribution Process Moves On
https://townhall.com/columnists/davidrothbard/2012/12/14/the-doha-wealth-
redistribution-process-moves-on-n1465410

=====

"There is no doubt, that we need to have a complete transformation... the
transformation of the economy, and that includes, of course, the private
sector."

A carbon tax will change NOTHING, other than the wealth of politicians and
countries who beg us for money. THAT was the purpose of the Paris Accord...
the ONLY purpose.

Funny... when the government no longer pays for bogus money-grabbing data, the
truth comes out.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI

"And we're like... the world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address
climate change..."

AOC's Top Aide Admits Green New Deal About The Economy, Not Climate
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aocs-top-aide-admits-green-new-deal-
about-the-economy-not-the-climate

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff recently admitted that the Green
New Deal was not conceived as an effort to deal with climate change, but
instead a "how-do-you-change-the-entire economy thing" -- a remark likely to
fuel Republican claims that the deal is nothing more than a thinly veiled
socialist takeover of the U.S. economy. "The interesting thing about the Green
New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Saikat Chakrabarti
said in May, according to The Washington Post.

*****

UN Official Admits That Climate Change Used As A Ruse To Control The World's
Economy
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/diabolical-lie-called-climate-change-used-
un-promote-economic-agenda/

*****

"Unequal Distribution of Wealth and Power" Causes Climate Change
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/un-climate-summit-causes-of-
climate-change-unequal-distribution-of-wealth-and-power/

*****

U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to-
destroy-capitalism/

*****

Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-
admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

*****

United Nations Official Admits the Purpose of the Global Warming Hoax is to
Destroy Capitalism
http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/donald-r-may/2015-02-
27/united-nations-official-admits-purpose-global-warming#.V-nGUOM1HmE
Chips Loral
2024-08-09 15:06:22 UTC
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Post by Alan
On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 22:08:17 -0700,  Alan says...
Post by Alan
On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 18:10:58 -0700,  Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Summary
In 2007, several predictions claimed the Arctic would become ice-free by 2013-
2018, including those by the BBC, Nobel laureate Al Gore, and NASA's James
Hansen.
Well that's false.
What, EXACTLY, is false? Are you playing that 75% bullshit, again?
It's not bullshit.
It was a probability from the moment it was stated.
Well, for fuck's sake, moron... that IS the point. They were WRONG!
No. They were not wrong. That's why real scientists talk about
probabilities for some things.
You can't help yourself, can you?

https://electroverse.co/james-hansen-ice-free-arctic-by-2018/

“The greenhouse effect is here,” pronounced doomsayer Hansen back on
June 23, 1988; and “We’re [still] toast,” he repeated with a straight
face 20 years later, in 2008.

https://onenewsnow.com/science-tech/2018/12/14/gores-no-arctic-ice-in-5-7-yrs-prediction-a-bust

https://cornwallalliance.org/2018/08/the-astonishing-failures-of-al-gores-arctic-prophecies/

In his 2007 Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech, Al Gore claimed that
there is “a 75 percent chance the entire polar ice cap will melt in
summer within the next five to seven years.”

Well, eleven years have gone by, and Arctic ice is doing fine.

Why do politicians like Gore make blatantly false claims?

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-13002706

"We can run a fully coupled model for the past and present and see what
our model will predict for the future in terms of the sea ice and the
Arctic climate."

And one of the projections it comes out with is that the summer melt
could lead to ice-free Arctic seas by 2016 - "plus or minus three years".



You're like the Canadian Mind products cretin, Roedy Green.

https://www.mindprod.com/
Chips Loral
2024-08-09 15:05:56 UTC
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Post by Alan
On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 18:10:58 -0700,  Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Summary
In 2007, several predictions claimed the Arctic would become ice-free by 2013-
2018, including those by the BBC, Nobel laureate Al Gore, and NASA's James
Hansen.
Well that's false.
What, EXACTLY, is false? Are you playing that 75% bullshit, again?
It's not bullshit.
It was a probability from the moment it was stated.
You can't help yourself, can you?

https://electroverse.co/james-hansen-ice-free-arctic-by-2018/

“The greenhouse effect is here,” pronounced doomsayer Hansen back on
June 23, 1988; and “We’re [still] toast,” he repeated with a straight
face 20 years later, in 2008.

https://onenewsnow.com/science-tech/2018/12/14/gores-no-arctic-ice-in-5-7-yrs-prediction-a-bust

https://cornwallalliance.org/2018/08/the-astonishing-failures-of-al-gores-arctic-prophecies/

In his 2007 Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech, Al Gore claimed that
there is “a 75 percent chance the entire polar ice cap will melt in
summer within the next five to seven years.”

Well, eleven years have gone by, and Arctic ice is doing fine.

Why do politicians like Gore make blatantly false claims?

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-13002706

"We can run a fully coupled model for the past and present and see what
our model will predict for the future in terms of the sea ice and the
Arctic climate."

And one of the projections it comes out with is that the summer melt
could lead to ice-free Arctic seas by 2016 - "plus or minus three years".



You're like the Canadian Mind products cretin, Roedy Green.

https://www.mindprod.com/
Chips Loral
2024-08-09 15:00:13 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Summary
In 2007, several predictions claimed the Arctic would become ice-free by 2013-
2018, including those by the BBC, Nobel laureate Al Gore, and NASA's James
Hansen.
Well that's false.
You can't help yourself, can you?

https://electroverse.co/james-hansen-ice-free-arctic-by-2018/

“The greenhouse effect is here,” pronounced doomsayer Hansen back on
June 23, 1988; and “We’re [still] toast,” he repeated with a straight
face 20 years later, in 2008.

https://onenewsnow.com/science-tech/2018/12/14/gores-no-arctic-ice-in-5-7-yrs-prediction-a-bust

https://cornwallalliance.org/2018/08/the-astonishing-failures-of-al-gores-arctic-prophecies/

In his 2007 Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech, Al Gore claimed that
there is “a 75 percent chance the entire polar ice cap will melt in
summer within the next five to seven years.”

Well, eleven years have gone by, and Arctic ice is doing fine.

Why do politicians like Gore make blatantly false claims?

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-13002706

"We can run a fully coupled model for the past and present and see what
our model will predict for the future in terms of the sea ice and the
Arctic climate."

And one of the projections it comes out with is that the summer melt
could lead to ice-free Arctic seas by 2016 - "plus or minus three years".



You're like the Canadian Mind products cretin, Roedy Green.

https://www.mindprod.com/
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