Massive Fires in Columbia & Much of S. America

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https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240922-colombia-battles-fires-as-drought-fuels-latin-american-flames

Colombian authorities said Sunday they were fighting forest
fires across seven departments, as a scorching drought fanned
blazes across Latin America.

. . .

Some large-ish rivers have also dried up.

There is a map of S. American wildfires as well, and
there are many even deep into the Amazon.

Now before you go screaming GLOBAL WARMING do actually
consult yer history. There have been many advanced
cultures in central/south America. Mayan, Olmec and
more. The Spanish only killed a couple of those. What
killed the rest was severe DROUGHT. No rain = no
farming, no drink, no civilization.

This is known to have happened at least twice in the
past 3000 years and affected wide swaths of the
continent.

We think of the jungle areas to have "always been
there" but it's NOT TRUE. It's all gone brown and
largely blown away before.

And, apparently, NOW again.

Oh ... and since the USA has outsourced a fair
percentage of its FOOD production south of the
border ..........

Double oh ... decline in S.American industries
that need lots of water = REFUGEES on the LARGE
scale. Think it's weird NOW ?

[JTEM]

Post by ***@ud0s4.net
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240922-colombia-battles-fires-
as-drought-fuels-latin-american-flames
Colombian authorities said Sunday they were fighting forest
fires across seven departments, as a scorching drought fanned
blazes across Latin America.

Bogata is expecting rain on five of the next seven days, Cali six
of the next seven.

Medellin six days of rain out of the next seven.

Santa Marta rain over six of the next seven days.

You know, you could just do the Google: Medellin Columbia weather.

It ain't hard.

Ah! Cartagena! No rain until Sunday...

But Cucuta, see, it's a cloudy one today and they're going see
some sun on Wednesday but otherwise it's raining through next
Monday...

You know, now that I think of it... I can't ever recall Googling
the weather for a location, after one of your Klimate Kook
posts, and discovering that you were telling the truth. It's never
happened.

Someone needs a fanatical trust in the corporate media in order to
believe the idiocy you regurgitate. Constantly.

You're a Klimate Kapo. It can't end well. If your masters don't get
you, the other prisoners will.

[Paul Aubrin]

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Post by ***@ud0s4.net
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240922-colombia-battles-fires-
as-drought-fuels-latin-american-flames
Colombian authorities said Sunday they were fighting forest
fires across seven departments, as a scorching drought fanned
blazes across Latin America.

Bogata is expecting rain on five of the next seven days, Cali six
of the next seven.
Medellin six days of rain out of the next seven.
Santa Marta rain over six of the next seven days.
You know, you could just do the Google: Medellin Columbia weather.
It ain't hard.
Ah! Cartagena! No rain until Sunday...

September is the rainy season in Colombia, with a storm almost every
afternoon.
186282 should read the IPCC report. He would learn that "fire weather"
has not yet emerged, and is not expected to emerge event with
"impossible" scenarios (RCP8.5 for example).

Table 12.12 chapter 12 page 60 AR6 WG1 :
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Post by JTEM

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240922-colombia-battles-fires- as-drought-fuels-latin-american-flames
Colombian authorities said Sunday they were fighting forest
fires across seven departments, as a scorching drought fanned
blazes across Latin America.

Bogata is expecting rain on five of the next seven days, Cali six
of the next seven.
Medellin six days of rain out of the next seven.
Santa Marta rain over six of the next seven days.
You know, you could just do the Google: Medellin Columbia weather.
It ain't hard.
Ah! Cartagena! No rain until Sunday...

September is the rainy season in Colombia, with a storm almost every
afternoon.
186282 should read the IPCC report. He would learn that "fire weather"
has not yet emerged, and is not expected to emerge event with
"impossible" scenarios (RCP8.5 for example).

Yet there ARE massive fires ... and generally in S.America,
not just Columbia.

S.America HAS seen major drought in the past, as noted.
It destroyed a number of early advanced empires. Looks
like we MAY be seeing the NEXT dry cycle. A LOT of that
rain-forest may turn brown again. Of course SOME, who
slept through history class, will say it's SUVs ......

[Paul Aubrin]

Post by Paul Aubrin
September is the rainy season in Colombia, with a storm almost every
afternoon.
186282 should read the IPCC report. He would learn that "fire weather"
has not yet emerged, and is not expected to emerge event with
"impossible" scenarios (RCP8.5 for example).

  Yet there ARE massive fires ... and generally in S.America,
  not just Columbia.

South America has many different climates. In the carribean coast (not
in Colombia only), the month of September is a rainy season with a storm
every afternoon and has always been.
Dry accumulated wood always end burning, especially near cities because
many potential arsonists live there. Wood ignites around 270 °C, the
temperature of the surrounding atmosphere has no influence.

[JTEM]

  Yet there ARE massive fires

You saw a drought during six out of seven days of rain. You're
not exactly picking pristine sources here...

Fires are set by people.

[Paul Aubrin]

Post by ***@ud0s4.net
Colombian authorities said Sunday they were fighting forest
fires across seven departments, as a scorching drought fanned
blazes across Latin America.

1.2 °C more has hardly any importance when the ignition temperature of
wood is 270 °C.
On the opposite side, fuel accumulation and arsonists have a great
importance. Example :

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7914203/Nowa-Nowa-protesters-blocked-burning-East-Gippsland-bushfire.html

How a tiny group of Greenie protesters managed to stop backburning in
East Gippsland over worries baby birds would die - before fires ravaged
the area killing four people and forcing mass evacuations from the beach

Protesters in Nowa Nowa, in East Gippsland interrupted hazard
reduction burns
Complaints about deaths of baby birds saw 370ha planned burn
reduced to 9ha
Firefighters credit backburning in NSW for saving towns from
horrific bushfires
29 people and 1 billion animals were killed, and 10 million ha
burnt in mega fires
Do you know others areas where backburning wasn't carried out?
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Post by Paul Aubrin

Post by ***@ud0s4.net
Colombian authorities said Sunday they were fighting forest
fires across seven departments, as a scorching drought fanned
blazes across Latin America.

1.2 °C more has hardly any importance when the ignition temperature of
wood is 270 °C.

I'm gonna take issue with that because the DEATH TEMPERATURE
for most forms of life, including ours, is MUCH lower. On the
flip I don't find a 1.2c 'average' all THAT alarming and many
factors - physical and statistical - can tick temperatures
up and down over years/centuries/millennia.

Really long term stats, the Earth is just *freezin* right
now. The dinos and predecessors (and our itty bitty fuzzy
shrew-like progenitors too) lived in a MUCH warmer world
for hundreds of millions of years. On the flip there were
also a number of "snowball earth" incidents about 1b years
ago. "Normal" is a piss-poor term when trying to describe
global climate.

Post by Paul Aubrin
On the opposite side, fuel accumulation and arsonists have a great
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7914203/Nowa-Nowa-protesters-blocked-burning-East-Gippsland-bushfire.html
How a tiny group of Greenie protesters managed to stop backburning in
East Gippsland over worries baby birds would die - before fires ravaged
the area killing four people and forcing mass evacuations from the beach
    Protesters in Nowa Nowa, in East Gippsland interrupted hazard
reduction burns
    Complaints about deaths of baby birds saw 370ha planned burn
reduced to 9ha
    Firefighters credit backburning in NSW for saving towns from
horrific bushfires
    29 people and 1 billion animals were killed, and 10 million ha
burnt in mega fires
    Do you know others areas where backburning wasn't carried out?

It's EASY to spot where back-burning and brush-clearing efforts
have been thwarted - just get the latest hi-rez thermal images
and look for the BIG FIRES :-)

Woodlands are mostly MEANT to burn about every five years lest
gigatons of debris build up and KILL EVERYTHING when they do
finally light up. "Smokey" is an ECO-CRIMINAL (probably in
the employ of the timber industry).

[Paul Aubrin]

Post by Paul Aubrin
1.2 °C more has hardly any importance when the ignition temperature of
wood is 270 °C.

  I'm gonna take issue with that because the DEATH TEMPERATURE
  for most forms of life, including ours, is MUCH lower.

1) Please stick to the original subject.
2) According to the IPCC, global warming is mostly noticeable in winter,
during the night and near polar latitudes. As a consequence, it has less
influence during the hot and dry season, on maximum temperatures, in the
tropics. The mean global warming has been 1,2 °C from 1880 to now, so
during the hot days near the tropics, it is less than 1,2 °C.

Extreme maximum temperatures in Santa Marta (Colombia) ranges from 38,0
°C in June to 35,4 °C in December. Add 1,2 °C, or even 2 °C, you are
still very far from 60 °C. By the way, during the medieval warm period,
the Tayrona indigenous people built hundred of miles of roads in the
Sierra de Santa Marta coastal forest.