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I Thought Biden WANTED EVs To Thrive And Take Over ICE Vehicles
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AlleyCat
2024-05-10 19:58:29 UTC
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How is THAT going to happen, when...

1. EV batteries depend on processed graphite which is 100% produced in
Communist China.

2. Because of competition from foreign EV battery firms, China has already
imposed export controls on processed graphite.

3. A quite possible Chinese reaction to Biden's EV tariffs would be to stop
exporting processed graphite.

4. With no processed graphite the global EV industry would die. Alternatively,
with China flooding the market with cheap EVs, the global EV industry will die.

... and Biden's considering as much as a 400% raise on tariffs.

=====

Biden To Quadruple Tariffs On Chinese Evs - WSJ - The Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/biden-to-quadruple-tariffs-on-chinese-evs-
203127bf

Today - WASHINGTON-The Biden administration is preparing to raise tariffs on
clean-energy goods from China in the coming days, with the levy on Chinese
electric vehicles set to roughly quadruple ...

=====

U.S. To Announce New Tariffs On Chinese Electric Vehicles

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/10/us/politics/us-biden-china-tariffs-electric-
vehicles.html

Today - The administration could raise tariffs on electric vehicles from China
to 100 percent in an attempt to protect American auto manufacturers. By Alan
Rappeport and Jim Tankersley The Biden ...

Biden Looks to Thwart Surge of Chinese Imports

Biden officials said in interviews that China's subsidized exports were
starting to hurt U.S. manufacturers, including by driving some foreign
suppliers of components for American-made products ...


=====

Joe Biden Is Expected To Unveil New Tariffs On Chinese Evs. Here's What ...

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-evs-tariffs-joe-biden-transport-2024-5?
op=1

Today - President Joe Biden is expected to take aim at China's electric-vehicle
industry. Citing people familiar with the matter, Bloomberg reported that the
US government was set to impose new tariffs on ...

=====

Biden Poised To Impose Tariffs On China Evs, Strategic Sectors

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-10/biden-poised-to-impose-
tariffs-on-china-evs-strategic-sectors

Today - Biden Set to Hit China EVs, Strategic Sectors With Tariffs US set to
target electric cars, reject across-the-board hikes Action comes after
multiyear review of Trump-era duties

=====

Biden Set To Impose Tariffs On China Electric Vehicles, Sources Say ...

https://www.reuters.com/business/us-set-impose-tariffs-china-evs-certain-
strategic-sectors-bloomberg-reports-2024-05-10/

Today - U.S. President Joe Biden is set to announce new China tariffs as soon
as next week targeting strategic sectors including electric vehicles, according
to two people familiar with the matter.

=====

Biden Administration Expected To Impose Sweeping Tariffs On China ...

https://fortune.com/asia/2024/05/10/biden-administration-impose-sweeping-
tariffs-china-strategic-sectors-evs-batteries-solar-cells/

Today - Andrew Harnik-Getty Images President Joe Biden's administration is
poised to unveil a sweeping decision on China tariffs as soon as next week, one
that's expected to target key strategic ...

=====

China Is Likely To Fight Back Against US Tariffs On EV: Dan Ives

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-ev-tarriffs-tesla-byd-nio-competition-
imports-biden-trade-2024-5?op=1

Today - The Biden administration is set to raise tariffs on China EVs from 25%
to roughly 100%. Wedbush's Dan Ives told Bloomberg on Friday that China is very
likely to retaliate against the move.

=====

Biden Set To Hit China Evs, Strategic Sectors With Tariffs (3)

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/international-trade/biden-poised-to-impose-
tariffs-on-china-evs-strategic-sectors

Today - President Joe Biden 's administration is poised to unveil a sweeping
decision on China tariffs as soon as next week, one that's expected to target
key strategic sectors with new levies while rejecting the across-the-board
hikes sought by Donald Trump, people familiar with the matter said.. The tariff
rate on electric vehicles is expected to quadruple from roughly 25% to 100%,
the Wall ...

=====

Biden White House To Expand Tariffs On Chinese Trade

https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/10/biden-white-house-to-
expand-tariffs-on-chinese-trade

Today - In March, Trump said that if elected as president later this year he
would put a 100% tariff on "every single car that comes across the line" from
Chinese-owned manufacturing plants in China.

=====

Biden To Quadruple Tariffs On Chinese Evs - WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/biden-to-quadruple-tariffs-on-chinese-evs-
203127bf

Today - WASHINGTON-The Biden administration is preparing to raise tariffs on
clean-energy goods from China in the coming days, with the levy on Chinese
electric vehicles set to roughly quadruple ...

=====

Biden Set To Hit China Evs, Strategic Sectors With Tariffs - Yahoo Finance

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-poised-impose-tariffs-china-004511416.html

Today - The tariff rate on electric vehicles is expected to quadruple from
roughly 25% to 100%, the Wall Street Journal reported Friday, citing people
familiar with the plans.

=====

May:

"Patagonia Is Absolutely Buried"

Rare Snow Blankets Chile's Capital

Snowbird, Utah Surpasses 600 Inches

Alaska's Near-Record Snow Season Also Means "Big Fire Danger"

Australia Shivers

Spring Snow Continues To Build On Europe's Mountains As Winter's Cold Lingers

Mongolia's Snowiest Winter Since 1975

Much Of Russia Returned To Winter

Heavy Snow Hits Argentina A Month Early

Spain Chills

"Best May Powder Days In Memory" At Palisades

Cold Antarctic Coast

Heavy May Snow Hits the Sierra Nevada

Concordia Below -70C (-94F) for 10-Days

Cooling In The Tropical Pacific

Vostok's Coldest April Since 1999

Global Temperature Expected To Fall In May

Tonga Eruption Responsible For Toasty 2023 (nyah nyah!)

Missing Spring In Jackson, WY

Cool Summer Forecast For Much Of The Northern Hemisphere

Record May Cold Sweeps India

Rare April Cold Hits Antarctica (-112F)

Heavy Spring Snow Traps 1,000 Vehicles In Northern India

Wild Swings In New Jersey

The Wind Didn't Blow As Hard In 2023
Alan
2024-05-10 20:20:49 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
How is THAT going to happen, when...
1. EV batteries depend on processed graphite which is 100% produced in
Communist China.
You think China is the only source of graphite, loser?
AlleyCat
2024-05-10 20:40:41 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 10 May 2024 13:20:49 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
You think China is the only source of graphite, loser?
I didn't say that.

You left out MANY very pertinent words. I'll let YOU figger them out.


The Global EV Battery Supply Chain Today

China currently DOMINATES the supply chain. As broader geopolitical issues
affect economic and trade relationships, the stability of the global supply
chain is increasingly at risk when extracting, refining, processing, and
assembling an out-sized share of EV battery components occurs in any single
country.

Guess what?

When one DOMINATES a supply chain, ANYTHING else will cost much more than what
China charges.

So, what happens? China is used as THE supplier, and if China has increased
tariffs levied against them, graphite will increase no matter WHO supplies it.

So... again... you fucked up, missing the big picture.

Besides, pussy... the topic was on the tariffs of Joe Biden, not the graphite.

Ski bunny fails again.

LOL

See? Ski bunny won't refute the topic... he has to delve into the minutiae,
because that's his brain... minutiae.

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How is THAT going to happen, when...

1. EV batteries depend on processed graphite which is 100% produced in
Communist China.

2. Because of competition from foreign EV battery firms, China has already
imposed export controls on processed graphite.

3. A quite possible Chinese reaction to Biden's EV tariffs would be to stop
exporting processed graphite.

4. With no processed graphite the global EV industry would die. Alternatively,
with China flooding the market with cheap EVs, the global EV industry will die.

... and Biden's considering as much as a 400% raise on tariffs.

=====

Biden To Quadruple Tariffs On Chinese Evs - WSJ - The Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/biden-to-quadruple-tariffs-on-chinese-evs-
203127bf

Today - WASHINGTON-The Biden administration is preparing to raise tariffs on
clean-energy goods from China in the coming days, with the levy on Chinese
electric vehicles set to roughly quadruple ...

=====

U.S. To Announce New Tariffs On Chinese Electric Vehicles

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/10/us/politics/us-biden-china-tariffs-electric-
vehicles.html

Today - The administration could raise tariffs on electric vehicles from China
to 100 percent in an attempt to protect American auto manufacturers. By Alan
Rappeport and Jim Tankersley The Biden ...

Biden Looks to Thwart Surge of Chinese Imports

Biden officials said in interviews that China's subsidized exports were
starting to hurt U.S. manufacturers, including by driving some foreign
suppliers of components for American-made products ...


=====

Joe Biden Is Expected To Unveil New Tariffs On Chinese Evs. Here's What ...

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-evs-tariffs-joe-biden-transport-2024-5?
op=1

Today - President Joe Biden is expected to take aim at China's electric-vehicle
industry. Citing people familiar with the matter, Bloomberg reported that the
US government was set to impose new tariffs on ...

=====

Biden Poised To Impose Tariffs On China Evs, Strategic Sectors

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-10/biden-poised-to-impose-
tariffs-on-china-evs-strategic-sectors

Today - Biden Set to Hit China EVs, Strategic Sectors With Tariffs US set to
target electric cars, reject across-the-board hikes Action comes after
multiyear review of Trump-era duties

=====

Biden Set To Impose Tariffs On China Electric Vehicles, Sources Say ...

https://www.reuters.com/business/us-set-impose-tariffs-china-evs-certain-
strategic-sectors-bloomberg-reports-2024-05-10/

Today - U.S. President Joe Biden is set to announce new China tariffs as soon
as next week targeting strategic sectors including electric vehicles, according
to two people familiar with the matter.

=====

Biden Administration Expected To Impose Sweeping Tariffs On China ...

https://fortune.com/asia/2024/05/10/biden-administration-impose-sweeping-
tariffs-china-strategic-sectors-evs-batteries-solar-cells/

Today - Andrew Harnik-Getty Images President Joe Biden's administration is
poised to unveil a sweeping decision on China tariffs as soon as next week, one
that's expected to target key strategic ...

=====

China Is Likely To Fight Back Against US Tariffs On EV: Dan Ives

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-ev-tarriffs-tesla-byd-nio-competition-
imports-biden-trade-2024-5?op=1

Today - The Biden administration is set to raise tariffs on China EVs from 25%
to roughly 100%. Wedbush's Dan Ives told Bloomberg on Friday that China is very
likely to retaliate against the move.

=====

Biden Set To Hit China Evs, Strategic Sectors With Tariffs (3)

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/international-trade/biden-poised-to-impose-
tariffs-on-china-evs-strategic-sectors

Today - President Joe Biden 's administration is poised to unveil a sweeping
decision on China tariffs as soon as next week, one that's expected to target
key strategic sectors with new levies while rejecting the across-the-board
hikes sought by Donald Trump, people familiar with the matter said.. The tariff
rate on electric vehicles is expected to quadruple from roughly 25% to 100%,
the Wall ...

=====

Biden White House To Expand Tariffs On Chinese Trade

https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/10/biden-white-house-to-
expand-tariffs-on-chinese-trade

Today - In March, Trump said that if elected as president later this year he
would put a 100% tariff on "every single car that comes across the line" from
Chinese-owned manufacturing plants in China.

=====

Biden To Quadruple Tariffs On Chinese Evs - WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/biden-to-quadruple-tariffs-on-chinese-evs-
203127bf

Today - WASHINGTON-The Biden administration is preparing to raise tariffs on
clean-energy goods from China in the coming days, with the levy on Chinese
electric vehicles set to roughly quadruple ...

=====

Biden Set To Hit China Evs, Strategic Sectors With Tariffs - Yahoo Finance

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-poised-impose-tariffs-china-004511416.html

Today - The tariff rate on electric vehicles is expected to quadruple from
roughly 25% to 100%, the Wall Street Journal reported Friday, citing people
familiar with the plans.

=====

May:

"Patagonia Is Absolutely Buried"

Rare Snow Blankets Chile's Capital

Snowbird, Utah Surpasses 600 Inches

Alaska's Near-Record Snow Season Also Means "Big Fire Danger"

Australia Shivers

Spring Snow Continues To Build On Europe's Mountains As Winter's Cold Lingers

Mongolia's Snowiest Winter Since 1975

Much Of Russia Returned To Winter

Heavy Snow Hits Argentina A Month Early

Spain Chills

"Best May Powder Days In Memory" At Palisades

Cold Antarctic Coast

Heavy May Snow Hits the Sierra Nevada

Concordia Below -70C (-94F) for 10-Days

Cooling In The Tropical Pacific

Vostok's Coldest April Since 1999

Global Temperature Expected To Fall In May

Tonga Eruption Responsible For Toasty 2023 (nyah nyah!)

Missing Spring In Jackson, WY

Cool Summer Forecast For Much Of The Northern Hemisphere

Record May Cold Sweeps India

Rare April Cold Hits Antarctica (-112F)

Heavy Spring Snow Traps 1,000 Vehicles In Northern India

Wild Swings In New Jersey

The Wind Didn't Blow As Hard In 2023
Alan
2024-05-10 20:43:39 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 10 May 2024 13:20:49 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
You think China is the only source of graphite, loser?
I didn't say that.
You left out MANY very pertinent words. I'll let YOU figger them out.
The Global EV Battery Supply Chain Today
China currently DOMINATES the supply chain. As broader geopolitical issues
affect economic and trade relationships, the stability of the global supply
chain is increasingly at risk when extracting, refining, processing, and
assembling an out-sized share of EV battery components occurs in any single
country.
Guess what?
When one DOMINATES a supply chain, ANYTHING else will cost much more than what
China charges.
Only until someone recognizes an opportunity.
Post by AlleyCat
So, what happens? China is used as THE supplier, and if China has increased
tariffs levied against them, graphite will increase no matter WHO supplies it.
"If", loser.

"If.
Post by AlleyCat
So... again... you fucked up, missing the big picture.
Besides, pussy... the topic was on the tariffs of Joe Biden, not the graphite.
"If".
AlleyCat
2024-05-10 20:57:04 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 10 May 2024 13:43:39 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
When one DOMINATES a supply chain, ANYTHING else will cost much more than what
China charges.
Only until someone recognizes an opportunity.
NO ONE can undersell China. Not anyone who "in the industry", anyway.

1. China
Mine production: 850,000 MT

As mentioned, China was the world's largest graphite producer in 2022. It put
out 850,000 metric tons (MT) of the metal, significantly higher than the amount
it produced in the previous three years. According to the US Geological Survey,
the country accounted for 65 percent of world graphite mining last year.

China's stranglehold on the graphite market was strengthened by its quick
graphite production recovery after COVID-19 shutdowns. Around three-quarters of
its 2022 graphite production was flake, much of which "was very small, in the +
200-mesh range," notes the US Geological Survey. "China also processed most of
the world's spherical graphite."

2. Madagascar
Mine production: 170,000 MT


3. Mozambique
Mine production: 110,000 MT


4. Brazil
Mine production: 87,000 MT


5. South Korea
Mine production: 17,000 MT


6. Russia
Mine production: 15,000 MT


7. Canada
Mine production: 15,000 MT


8. Norway
Mine production: 10,000 MT


9. India
Mine production: 8,300 MT


10. North Korea
Mine production: 8,100 MT

=====

May:

"Patagonia Is Absolutely Buried"

Rare Snow Blankets Chile's Capital

Snowbird, Utah Surpasses 600 Inches

Alaska's Near-Record Snow Season Also Means "Big Fire Danger"

Australia Shivers

Spring Snow Continues To Build On Europe's Mountains As Winter's Cold Lingers

Mongolia's Snowiest Winter Since 1975

Much Of Russia Returned To Winter

Heavy Snow Hits Argentina A Month Early

Spain Chills

"Best May Powder Days In Memory" At Palisades

Cold Antarctic Coast

Heavy May Snow Hits the Sierra Nevada

Concordia Below -70C (-94F) for 10-Days

Cooling In The Tropical Pacific

Vostok's Coldest April Since 1999

Global Temperature Expected To Fall In May

Tonga Eruption Responsible For Toasty 2023 (nyah nyah!)

Missing Spring In Jackson, WY

Cool Summer Forecast For Much Of The Northern Hemisphere

Record May Cold Sweeps India

Rare April Cold Hits Antarctica (-112F)

Heavy Spring Snow Traps 1,000 Vehicles In Northern India

Wild Swings In New Jersey

The Wind Didn't Blow As Hard In 2023
AlleyCat
2024-05-10 21:01:25 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 10 May 2024 13:43:39 -0700, Alan says...
Post by AlleyCat
So, what happens? China is used as THE supplier, and if China has increased
tariffs levied against them, graphite will increase no matter WHO supplies it.
"If"
"I" wrote "if", moron.

These headlines don't.

"TO."

What a pedantic little dick-sucking Cuntnadian ski bunny stalker.

=====

Biden TO Quadruple Tariffs On Chinese Evs - WSJ - The Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/biden-to-quadruple-tariffs-on-chinese-evs-
203127bf

Today - WASHINGTON-The Biden administration is preparing to raise tariffs on
clean-energy goods from China in the coming days, with the levy on Chinese
electric vehicles set to roughly quadruple ...

=====

U.S. TO Announce New Tariffs On Chinese Electric Vehicles

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/10/us/politics/us-biden-china-tariffs-electric-
vehicles.html

Today - The administration could raise tariffs on electric vehicles from China
to 100 percent in an attempt to protect American auto manufacturers. By Alan
Rappeport and Jim Tankersley The Biden ...

Biden Looks to Thwart Surge of Chinese Imports

Biden officials said in interviews that China's subsidized exports were
starting to hurt U.S. manufacturers, including by driving some foreign
suppliers of components for American-made products ...

=====

"IS EXPECTED"

Joe Biden IS EXPECTED To Unveil New Tariffs On Chinese Evs. Here's What ...

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-evs-tariffs-joe-biden-transport-2024-5?
op=1

Today - President Joe Biden is expected to take aim at China's electric-vehicle
industry. Citing people familiar with the matter, Bloomberg reported that the
US government was set to impose new tariffs on ...

=====

Biden Poised TO Impose Tariffs On China Evs, Strategic Sectors

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-10/biden-poised-to-impose-
tariffs-on-china-evs-strategic-sectors

Today - Biden Set to Hit China EVs, Strategic Sectors With Tariffs US set to
target electric cars, reject across-the-board hikes Action comes after
multiyear review of Trump-era duties

=====

Biden Set TO Impose Tariffs On China Electric Vehicles, Sources Say ...

https://www.reuters.com/business/us-set-impose-tariffs-china-evs-certain-
strategic-sectors-bloomberg-reports-2024-05-10/

Today - U.S. President Joe Biden is set to announce new China tariffs as soon
as next week targeting strategic sectors including electric vehicles, according
to two people familiar with the matter.

=====

"TO IMPOSE"

Biden Administration Expected TO IMPOSE Sweeping Tariffs On China ...

https://fortune.com/asia/2024/05/10/biden-administration-impose-sweeping-
tariffs-china-strategic-sectors-evs-batteries-solar-cells/

Today - Andrew Harnik-Getty Images President Joe Biden's administration is
poised to unveil a sweeping decision on China tariffs as soon as next week, one
that's expected to target key strategic ...

=====

China Is Likely To Fight Back Against US Tariffs On EV: Dan Ives

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-ev-tarriffs-tesla-byd-nio-competition-
imports-biden-trade-2024-5?op=1

Today - The Biden administration is set to raise tariffs on China EVs from 25%
to roughly 100%. Wedbush's Dan Ives told Bloomberg on Friday that China is very
likely to retaliate against the move.

=====

Biden Set TO HIT China Evs, Strategic Sectors With Tariffs (3)

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/international-trade/biden-poised-to-impose-
tariffs-on-china-evs-strategic-sectors

Today - President Joe Biden 's administration is poised to unveil a sweeping
decision on China tariffs as soon as next week, one that's expected to target
key strategic sectors with new levies while rejecting the across-the-board
hikes sought by Donald Trump, people familiar with the matter said.. The tariff
rate on electric vehicles is expected to quadruple from roughly 25% to 100%,
the Wall ...

=====

Biden White House TO Expand Tariffs On Chinese Trade

https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/10/biden-white-house-to-
expand-tariffs-on-chinese-trade

Today - In March, Trump said that if elected as president later this year he
would put a 100% tariff on "every single car that comes across the line" from
Chinese-owned manufacturing plants in China.

=====

Biden TO QUADRUPLE Tariffs On Chinese Evs - WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/biden-to-quadruple-tariffs-on-chinese-evs-
203127bf

Today - WASHINGTON-The Biden administration is preparing to raise tariffs on
clean-energy goods from China in the coming days, with the levy on Chinese
electric vehicles set to roughly quadruple ...

=====

Biden Set TO Hit China Evs, Strategic Sectors With Tariffs - Yahoo Finance

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-poised-impose-tariffs-china-004511416.html

Today - The tariff rate on electric vehicles is expected to quadruple from
roughly 25% to 100%, the Wall Street Journal reported Friday, citing people
familiar with the plans.

=====

May:

"Patagonia Is Absolutely Buried"

Rare Snow Blankets Chile's Capital

Snowbird, Utah Surpasses 600 Inches

Alaska's Near-Record Snow Season Also Means "Big Fire Danger"

Australia Shivers

Spring Snow Continues To Build On Europe's Mountains As Winter's Cold Lingers

Mongolia's Snowiest Winter Since 1975

Much Of Russia Returned To Winter

Heavy Snow Hits Argentina A Month Early

Spain Chills

"Best May Powder Days In Memory" At Palisades

Cold Antarctic Coast

Heavy May Snow Hits the Sierra Nevada

Concordia Below -70C (-94F) for 10-Days

Cooling In The Tropical Pacific

Vostok's Coldest April Since 1999

Global Temperature Expected To Fall In May

Tonga Eruption Responsible For Toasty 2023 (nyah nyah!)

Missing Spring In Jackson, WY

Cool Summer Forecast For Much Of The Northern Hemisphere

Record May Cold Sweeps India

Rare April Cold Hits Antarctica (-112F)

Heavy Spring Snow Traps 1,000 Vehicles In Northern India

Wild Swings In New Jersey

The Wind Didn't Blow As Hard In 2023
Jonathan Ball's dismay
2024-05-11 20:42:17 UTC
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On Fri, 10 May 2024 13:43:39 -0700
Post by Alan
someone recognizes an opportunity.
When are you going to meet me for some poutine, ya weedy-faced
lil' coward?

Jonathan Ball's dismay
2024-05-11 20:41:45 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 10 May 2024 13:20:49 -0700
Post by Alan
You think
When are you going to meet me for some poutine, ya weedy-faced
lil' coward?
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